The blueprint to beating Floyd doesn't lie in the first JLC fight, it lies in...

the Jesus Chavez fight. I just watched this fight and I think this is the only way anyone will ever beat Floyd. Someone is gonna have to heavily outwork Floyd to offset his accuracy, bully him, and show sheer determination. The only problem was that Chavez just couldn't take the punishment he was receiving. Anybody else remember this fight?

I remember Floyd allowing Chavez to punch himself out and wearing him down over the course of the contest. And I don't think Baldomir is that fast to do close to what Chavez did.

And Chavez' agression wasnt smart. He was wide open all night, he just took it for as long as he could

The fight wasn't that close IMO.

Castillo outworked him (I had it a draw) but in a smarter way, with better technique and didn't just leave himself wide open like Jesus did.

Chavez fought very hard but the blueprint is more Castillo than Chavez because Castillo put on smart pressure and didn't just wear himself out missing over and over again.

Castillo pushed Floyd to the brink!

The thing is no one is ever able to catch Floyd flush....I don't think his chin is THAT good, it's decent but his defense is so good he doesn't get hit.

Someone is going to have to bully Floyd, Hatton, Cotto, Baldomir, they all have the correct styles to push Floyd but Ricky gets hit too much, Cotto forgets when to box, and Baldomir is a little slow.

As I said in a diff thread, I believe that the days of bullying being the style to beat Floyd are over.
Anyone who wants a shot at beating Floyd needs handpseed. Simple as that.
Anyone with less than spectacular handspeed will not hit Floyd with anything effective no matter how aggressive. He'll see everything.
In my opinion, if any previous Floyd fight was a blueprint to beating him it'd have to be the (don't laugh) Zab Judah fight.
Early on he was seemingly matching speed for speed with Floyd. But fell apart just as Floyd expected.
If a fighter can maintain the pace Judah had early on in the fight but sustain it for 12 rounds, gawdamn. Easier said than done, dut damn. It'd be scary times for Floyd.
You gotta box him. I don't see anyone out there outboxing Floyd, but with handpseed comes surprise. You gotta catch him with quick unexpected shots here and there. Not gonna happen bullying him. He'll see all.

Floyd expects bullying.
He doesn't expect 12 rounds of matched speed.

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Castillo pushed Floyd to the brink!

The thing is no one is ever able to catch Floyd flush....I don't think his chin is THAT good, it's decent but his defense is so good he doesn't get hit.

Someone is going to have to bully Floyd, Hatton, Cotto, Baldomir, they all have the correct styles to push Floyd but Ricky gets hit too much, Cotto forgets when to box, and Baldomir is a little slow.

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very rarely (if ever) does someone have the ability to push the issue and have the speedto follow through...I dont think anyone today has this ability....

The key to beating Floyd IMO is to box pressure smart, tough chin, and effective body punching, just like castillo did. Although, Floyd has evolved, his power in his straight right (best punch IMO) has developed wonderfully, I think that is his money punch, and will be the one he keeps Baldomir off with tonight.

He showed his vulnerability in the Castillo fight. Castillo caught him when he attacked. He is vulnerable most when he attacks, so a good, quick and hard counterpunching may just do the job.

Well if you can't bully Floyd you're going to have to just catch him with 1 good power punch and follow up on it....in which case Paul Williams would probably have the best shot.

Floyd bends down, he wants you to punch down at him because if you do that you come close and he gets in tight and lets loose with some combos....you have to catch Floyd on his way in with quick short punches or you have to keep him moving back...either way it nullifies his handspeed and power.

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Well if you can't bully Floyd you're going to have to just catch him with 1 good power punch and follow up on it....in which case Paul Williams would probably have the best shot.

Floyd bends down, he wants you to punch down at him because if you do that you come close and he gets in tight and lets loose with some combos....you have to catch Floyd on his way in with quick short punches or you have to keep him moving back...either way it nullifies his handspeed and power.

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but who can do that to him now??....He is way better now than when he fought Castillo...I don't see it....

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As I said in a diff thread, I believe that the days of bullying being the style to beat Floyd are over.
Anyone who wants a shot at beating Floyd needs handpseed. Simple as that.
Anyone with less than spectacular handspeed will not hit Floyd with anything effective no matter how aggressive. He'll see everything.
In my opinion, if any previous Floyd fight was a blueprint to beating him it'd have to be the (don't laugh) Zab Judah fight.
Early on he was seemingly matching speed for speed with Floyd. But fell apart just as Floyd expected.
If a fighter can maintain the pace Judah had early on in the fight but sustain it for 12 rounds, gawdamn. Easier said than done, dut damn. It'd be scary times for Floyd.
You gotta box him. I don't see anyone out there outboxing Floyd, but with handpseed comes surprise. You gotta catch him with quick unexpected shots here and there. Not gonna happen bullying him. He'll see all.

Floyd expects bullying.
He doesn't expect 12 rounds of matched speed.

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I agree. And also timing.

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Originally Posted by meowza

As I said in a diff thread, I believe that the days of bullying being the style to beat Floyd are over.
Anyone who wants a shot at beating Floyd needs handpseed. Simple as that.
Anyone with less than spectacular handspeed will not hit Floyd with anything effective no matter how aggressive. He'll see everything.
In my opinion, if any previous Floyd fight was a blueprint to beating him it'd have to be the (don't laugh) Zab Judah fight.
Early on he was seemingly matching speed for speed with Floyd. But fell apart just as Floyd expected.
If a fighter can maintain the pace Judah had early on in the fight but sustain it for 12 rounds, gawdamn. Easier said than done, dut damn. It'd be scary times for Floyd.
You gotta box him. I don't see anyone out there outboxing Floyd, but with handpseed comes surprise. You gotta catch him with quick unexpected shots here and there. Not gonna happen bullying him. He'll see all.

Floyd expects bullying.
He doesn't expect 12 rounds of matched speed.

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I agree. And also timing.

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Coming from Judah fans, I can't take that serious. Castillo came closest, he even won the 1st IM(and most peoples)O, I think thats the way to do it. I expect someone to say thats rich coming from a Hatton fan, but its what I believe. I still think Hatton v Mayweather is truly 50-50.

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The key to beating Floyd IMO is to box pressure smart, tough chin, and effective body punching, just like castillo did. Although, Floyd has evolved, his power in his straight right (best punch IMO) has developed wonderfully, I think that is his money punch, and will be the one he keeps Baldomir off with tonight.

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:coolclick: I agree that right hand got some stank on it..He is so fast he can lead with it and you dont know when or were its coming from :jabbing: not to mention his ability to anticipate incoming punches the way he does is amazing...Thats one of the reasons why he is such a prolific counterpuncher

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Originally Posted by meowza

As I said in a diff thread, I believe that the days of bullying being the style to beat Floyd are over.
Anyone who wants a shot at beating Floyd needs handpseed. Simple as that.
Anyone with less than spectacular handspeed will not hit Floyd with anything effective no matter how aggressive. He'll see everything.
In my opinion, if any previous Floyd fight was a blueprint to beating him it'd have to be the (don't laugh) Zab Judah fight.
Early on he was seemingly matching speed for speed with Floyd. But fell apart just as Floyd expected.
If a fighter can maintain the pace Judah had early on in the fight but sustain it for 12 rounds, gawdamn. Easier said than done, dut damn. It'd be scary times for Floyd.
You gotta box him. I don't see anyone out there outboxing Floyd, but with handpseed comes surprise. You gotta catch him with quick unexpected shots here and there. Not gonna happen bullying him. He'll see all.

Floyd expects bullying.
He doesn't expect 12 rounds of matched speed.

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:coolclick:

I agree. And also timing.

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Coming from Judah fans, I can't take that serious. I still think Hatton v Mayweather is truly 50-50.

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Coming from a Hatton fan, I can't take that serious ;D

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Originally Posted by meowza

As I said in a diff thread, I believe that the days of bullying being the style to beat Floyd are over.
Anyone who wants a shot at beating Floyd needs handpseed. Simple as that.
Anyone with less than spectacular handspeed will not hit Floyd with anything effective no matter how aggressive. He'll see everything.
In my opinion, if any previous Floyd fight was a blueprint to beating him it'd have to be the (don't laugh) Zab Judah fight.
Early on he was seemingly matching speed for speed with Floyd. But fell apart just as Floyd expected.
If a fighter can maintain the pace Judah had early on in the fight but sustain it for 12 rounds, gawdamn. Easier said than done, dut damn. It'd be scary times for Floyd.
You gotta box him. I don't see anyone out there outboxing Floyd, but with handpseed comes surprise. You gotta catch him with quick unexpected shots here and there. Not gonna happen bullying him. He'll see all.

Floyd expects bullying.
He doesn't expect 12 rounds of matched speed.

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:coolclick:

I agree. And also timing.

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Coming from Judah fans, I can't take that serious. I still think Hatton v Mayweather is truly 50-50.

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Coming from a Hatton fan, I can't take that serious ;D

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nice one Starr....:)

So comon guys, lets bash our superknowledgableheads together and think of a boxer between 140 & 147 who has all the attributes listed to beat Floyd....

Im going with.... Paul Williams( inside 8 rounds).... In a year or two ;D

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Originally Posted by meowza

As I said in a diff thread, I believe that the days of bullying being the style to beat Floyd are over.
Anyone who wants a shot at beating Floyd needs handpseed. Simple as that.
Anyone with less than spectacular handspeed will not hit Floyd with anything effective no matter how aggressive. He'll see everything.
In my opinion, if any previous Floyd fight was a blueprint to beating him it'd have to be the (don't laugh) Zab Judah fight.
Early on he was seemingly matching speed for speed with Floyd. But fell apart just as Floyd expected.
If a fighter can maintain the pace Judah had early on in the fight but sustain it for 12 rounds, gawdamn. Easier said than done, dut damn. It'd be scary times for Floyd.
You gotta box him. I don't see anyone out there outboxing Floyd, but with handpseed comes surprise. You gotta catch him with quick unexpected shots here and there. Not gonna happen bullying him. He'll see all.

Floyd expects bullying.
He doesn't expect 12 rounds of matched speed.

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:coolclick:

I agree. And also timing.

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Coming from Judah fans, I can't take that serious. Castillo came closest, he even won the 1st IM(and most peoples)O, I think thats the way to do it. I expect someone to say thats rich coming from a Hatton fan, but its what I believe. I still think Hatton v Mayweather is truly 50-50.

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But that Castillo fight was like, what, 4 years ago?
Floyd's game/strategies/confidence to stand in the pocket/knowledge and confidence in taking a punch, have all significantly changed since then.
Today's Mayweather won't be backed up easily like the old Mayweather.

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Originally Posted by meowza

As I said in a diff thread, I believe that the days of bullying being the style to beat Floyd are over.
Anyone who wants a shot at beating Floyd needs handpseed. Simple as that.
Anyone with less than spectacular handspeed will not hit Floyd with anything effective no matter how aggressive. He'll see everything.
In my opinion, if any previous Floyd fight was a blueprint to beating him it'd have to be the (don't laugh) Zab Judah fight.
Early on he was seemingly matching speed for speed with Floyd. But fell apart just as Floyd expected.
If a fighter can maintain the pace Judah had early on in the fight but sustain it for 12 rounds, gawdamn. Easier said than done, dut damn. It'd be scary times for Floyd.
You gotta box him. I don't see anyone out there outboxing Floyd, but with handpseed comes surprise. You gotta catch him with quick unexpected shots here and there. Not gonna happen bullying him. He'll see all.

Floyd expects bullying.
He doesn't expect 12 rounds of matched speed.

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:coolclick:

I agree. And also timing.

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Coming from Judah fans, I can't take that serious. Castillo came closest, he even won the 1st IM(and most peoples)O, I think thats the way to do it. I expect someone to say thats rich coming from a Hatton fan, but its what I believe. I still think Hatton v Mayweather is truly 50-50.

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But that Castillo fight was like, what, 4 years ago?
Floyd's game/strategies/confidence to stand in the pocket/knowledge and confidence in taking a punch, have all significantly changed since then.
Today's Mayweather won't be backed up easily like the old Mayweather.

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cc !!! that's what i've been saying!!!!

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Originally Posted by meowza

As I said in a diff thread, I believe that the days of bullying being the style to beat Floyd are over.
Anyone who wants a shot at beating Floyd needs handpseed. Simple as that.
Anyone with less than spectacular handspeed will not hit Floyd with anything effective no matter how aggressive. He'll see everything.
In my opinion, if any previous Floyd fight was a blueprint to beating him it'd have to be the (don't laugh) Zab Judah fight.
Early on he was seemingly matching speed for speed with Floyd. But fell apart just as Floyd expected.
If a fighter can maintain the pace Judah had early on in the fight but sustain it for 12 rounds, gawdamn. Easier said than done, dut damn. It'd be scary times for Floyd.
You gotta box him. I don't see anyone out there outboxing Floyd, but with handpseed comes surprise. You gotta catch him with quick unexpected shots here and there. Not gonna happen bullying him. He'll see all.

Floyd expects bullying.
He doesn't expect 12 rounds of matched speed.

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:coolclick:

I agree. And also timing.

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Coming from Judah fans, I can't take that serious. Castillo came closest, he even won the 1st IM(and most peoples)O, I think thats the way to do it. I expect someone to say thats rich coming from a Hatton fan, but its what I believe. I still think Hatton v Mayweather is truly 50-50.

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But that Castillo fight was like, what, 4 years ago?
Floyd's game/strategies/confidence to stand in the pocket/knowledge and confidence in taking a punch, have all significantly changed since then.
Today's Mayweather won't be backed up easily like the old Mayweather.

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I agree. And people act like they neverh ad a rematch that Floyd clearly won. If they only fought once there'd be a point, but they fought again and Castillo was rendered ineffective ;)

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Originally Posted by meowza

As I said in a diff thread, I believe that the days of bullying being the style to beat Floyd are over.
Anyone who wants a shot at beating Floyd needs handpseed. Simple as that.
Anyone with less than spectacular handspeed will not hit Floyd with anything effective no matter how aggressive. He'll see everything.
In my opinion, if any previous Floyd fight was a blueprint to beating him it'd have to be the (don't laugh) Zab Judah fight.
Early on he was seemingly matching speed for speed with Floyd. But fell apart just as Floyd expected.
If a fighter can maintain the pace Judah had early on in the fight but sustain it for 12 rounds, gawdamn. Easier said than done, dut damn. It'd be scary times for Floyd.
You gotta box him. I don't see anyone out there outboxing Floyd, but with handpseed comes surprise. You gotta catch him with quick unexpected shots here and there. Not gonna happen bullying him. He'll see all.

Floyd expects bullying.
He doesn't expect 12 rounds of matched speed.

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:coolclick:

I agree. And also timing.

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Coming from Judah fans, I can't take that serious. Castillo came closest, he even won the 1st IM(and most peoples)O, I think thats the way to do it. I expect someone to say thats rich coming from a Hatton fan, but its what I believe. I still think Hatton v Mayweather is truly 50-50.

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But that Castillo fight was like, what, 4 years ago?
Floyd's game/strategies/confidence to stand in the pocket/knowledge and confidence in taking a punch, have all significantly changed since then.
Today's Mayweather won't be backed up easily like the old Mayweather.

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I agree. And people act like they neverh ad a rematch that Floyd clearly won. If they only fought once there'd be a point, but they fought again and Castillo was rendered ineffective ;)

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exactly!!!! CC!!!!!

Floyd has speed and smarts - but he's human.

Baldomir knows the naturally smaller guy will land often, but arguably not as hard.

I feel Baldi's tactics will be full steam ahead, winging in the punches - then perhaps once Floyd gets a taste of the bigger man he'll lose his gameplan a little.

Baldi will be outsped and outboxed - but will not be denied !

One thing's for sure - Baldi has tons of desire.

Floyd is the favourite, is The Man and is a little too cock sure of himself.

I think we'll see a Floyd win, but maybe a hairy moment or 2 towards the end, when fatigue slows Mayweather down a little, but will have enough rounds in the bank to win.

JLC won the first fight,no doubt about it in my opinion but Lil Floyd showed what a great fighter he is by winning the rematch easily but still,O believe he should have a 1 in the L column. The first fight was the blue print though,JLC banged away to the body,roughed PBF up and took his best. He was throwing punches in bunches,so when he threw 5,6,7,at least 2 would land and he took the fight to the ropes. That is the way to go and for me personally,I think Margarito would come closest to repeating that.

Enough with B/P theory here......

ODLH has the answer to defeat PBF. He'll show us all IF they ever meet in the ring. 8)

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Enough with B/P theory here......

ODLH has the answer to defeat PBF. He'll show us all IF they ever meet in the ring. 8)

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get a bigger payday ???

If Floyd can handle their power he eats slower long rangey guys like Margarito and Williams for breakfast just look at the Corrales fight.

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Originally Posted by meowza

As I said in a diff thread, I believe that the days of bullying being the style to beat Floyd are over.
Anyone who wants a shot at beating Floyd needs handpseed. Simple as that.
Anyone with less than spectacular handspeed will not hit Floyd with anything effective no matter how aggressive. He'll see everything.
In my opinion, if any previous Floyd fight was a blueprint to beating him it'd have to be the (don't laugh) Zab Judah fight.
Early on he was seemingly matching speed for speed with Floyd. But fell apart just as Floyd expected.
If a fighter can maintain the pace Judah had early on in the fight but sustain it for 12 rounds, gawdamn. Easier said than done, dut damn. It'd be scary times for Floyd.
You gotta box him. I don't see anyone out there outboxing Floyd, but with handpseed comes surprise. You gotta catch him with quick unexpected shots here and there. Not gonna happen bullying him. He'll see all.

Floyd expects bullying.
He doesn't expect 12 rounds of matched speed.

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I agree. And also timing.

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I also agree but think Judahs best asset was his footwork until he got sloppy.

The only two guys out there with good speed, good footwork, good timing, great chins, know every combo in the book and carrying truckloads of power are Oscar and Shane. I'm still not sold on Floyd's chin at Welter consiquently I think when one of those fights happen it'll be goodnight Floyd ;)

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Enough with B/P theory here......

ODLH has the answer to defeat PBF. He'll show us all IF they ever meet in the ring. 8)

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get a bigger payday ???

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Blue Print. ;D

Well BigRagu there are a number of people who could give Floyd a hard time....and that's not counting Shane Mosely or Oscar De la Hoya.

Hatton - renlentless attack, good work to the body, decent power....downside, he gets hit too much

Cotto - PURE POWER, good body work, big guy, decent boxing skills when he wants to use them.....downside, he gets hit too much

Baldomir - great chin, unrelenting, obviously a HUGE welterweight, decent power, maybe over looked....downside slow hands

Williams - good chin, great power, big guy, southpaw.....downside, he gets hit too much

I think Williams and Baldomir can take Floyd's power but Cotto and Hatton have to really watch out for him he's a fast SOB

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the Jesus Chavez fight. I just watched this fight and I think this is the only way anyone will ever beat Floyd. Someone is gonna have to heavily outwork Floyd to offset his accuracy, bully him, and show sheer determination. The only problem was that Chavez just couldn't take the punishment he was receiving. Anybody else remember this fight?

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Two words...... Ricky Hatton, But he might get beat like he did against Callazo. Mayweather will beat the piss out of Dela Hoya, Hatton, Cotto and Margarito. I believe Hatton has the best chance though.