Is Ricky Hatton one of the All Time Greats?

Richard "The Hitman" Hatton boasts a record of 41-0 (30KO). With his undefeated record, if he were to retire now would he be considered one of boxing's greats? He has fought recognizable opponents such as a 36 year old Kostya Tszyu but thats about it. He has fought 37 of his 41 fights in and around England against opponents most boxing fans outside of England would even recognize. But, he did deafeat a 36 year old Kostya Tszyu. Does his victory over a diminishing 36 year old Kostya Tszyu make him on of the top fighters today. It has even been said that Pretty Boy Floyd Mayweather has been ducking Hatton. What I have to say about that, if that is truly what the public thinks the sport of Boxing is in more trouble than can ever be expected.

No, He is not one of the all-time greats.

Not an A.T.G., hasnt fought good enough opposition to be in the conversation. The fight against Tsyzu doenst change it.

He's the best body puncher of his generation, best ticket seller of his generation and most exciting fighter since Nigel Benn, and beat the greatest 140lber ever (and reigning lb4lb #1 according to many).

And he's still going, he'll get rid of Castillo in impressive fashion in the summer and then beat Mayweather if Mayweather takes the fight.

Phillips, Tszyu, Castillo, Mayweather - that would be more than HOF.

of course he's not an all time great (yet). but i'm guessing from the wording of your post that thats what your trying to say. the way you make tszyu sound like he wouldn't have beaten any other light welter in the world that night and that beating tszyu is the only thing hatton has achieved in his career tells me your not to keen on the hitman.
i think if he achieves what he keeps saying he's goin to achieve (beating the likes of castillo and maybe even mayweather) then he'll definetly be a modern great. but at the moment ricky has got a lot more to do in the game to gain that position.

He doesn't stack up to, Meldrick Taylor, Aaron Pryor, Julio Cesar Chavez, Bruno Arcari, Nicolino Locche.

This same topic came up about PBF recently. Nobody that's boxing today is going to be considered ATG.

The only ones that may be considered close are:

ODLH
B-Hop

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Originally Posted by WWatt

And he's still going, he'll get rid of Castillo in impressive fashion in the summer and then beat Mayweather if Mayweather takes the fight.

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Castillo is gonna spank Hatton.

No, not even close. Only british fans would even mention the word great and Hatton in the same sentence. I also dont beleive he will ever be considered a great fighter with the the current opposition he has to face, not that they're even great themselves.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

He doesn't stack up to, Meldrick Taylor, Aaron Pryor, Julio Cesar Chavez, Bruno Arcari, Nicolino Locche.

This same topic came up about PBF recently.  Nobody that's boxing today is going to be considered ATG.

The only ones that may be considered close are:

ODLH
B-Hop

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Originally Posted by WWatt

And he's still going, he'll get rid of Castillo in impressive fashion in the summer and then beat Mayweather if Mayweather takes the fight.

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Castillo is gonna spank Hatton.

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i love meldrick taylor but who did he beat great really he is only known for controversial loss to chavez other than that he never beat anyone great anyway on to hatton yes ricky is great fighter but not all time great yet needs few good names on his record castillo corrales cotto i doubt mayweather because that fight wont happen i believe

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Originally Posted by WWatt

He's the best body puncher of his generation, best ticket seller of his generation and most exciting fighter since Nigel Benn, and beat the greatest 140lber ever (and reigning lb4lb #1 according to many).

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I would say within England those things would be true.....Micky Ward also would have to up there in the (Body punching category of this generation)... ;)

Ricky Hatton had his opportunity to fight PBF but he wanted to much money 9+ Million when he doesn't generate that kind of money.. He is not a PPV fighter, He fights on regular HBO because he doesn't generate PPV numbers.. Due to the fact the average person doesn't know who he is... He has no fought any big names but for a 36 year old Kostya Tszyu. He should have lost to Luis Collazo but he go lucky but his face told the story after the fight. Now he has left the welterweight division due to the reality check Luis Collazo gave him and went back down to light welter. If he wanted to fight PBF he would have stayed at welter weight and racked up some victories like Judah, Margarito, Baldomir, and on and on. He knows he can compete at the welterweight level now he is go to fight Castillo there were bigger fights out there for him than this one. I not saying this because I am a PBF fan because I will admit that the most dangerous fighter in the welterweight division is Paul Williams nobody wants to deal with him... The point I was trying to make is that Hatton has not fought anyone accept a 36 year old Kostya Tszyu... Floyd has fought Corrales, Chaves, Castillo, Corley, Gatti, Judah, Baldomir, Manfredy, Hernandez and several other fighters with 1-3 losses.... and Hatton has fought a 36 year old Kostya Tszyu

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Originally Posted by killersheep

He doesn't stack up to, Meldrick Taylor, Aaron Pryor, Julio Cesar Chavez, Bruno Arcari, Nicolino Locche.

This same topic came up about PBF recently. Nobody that's boxing today is going to be considered ATG.

The only ones that may be considered close are:

ODLH
B-Hop

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Originally Posted by WWatt

And he's still going, he'll get rid of Castillo in impressive fashion in the summer and then beat Mayweather if Mayweather takes the fight.

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Castillo is gonna spank Hatton.

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CCa,gree with everything you said,except Castillo beating Hatton. Hatton will win,he's too young,too agressive and it's his weight class. I don't see anyone going toe to toe with the Hitman at 140 and getting the best of it,I just don't especially the way he dismantled Tszyu. I actually think Hatton deserves a lot more credit for that fight,I'm not a big Ricky fan but he was awesome that night and now,EVERYONE that said Tszyu would KO him in 5 etc etc is now saying that KT was old,over the hill etc. He had a long lay off but he was still a HOT favourite.

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Originally Posted by WWatt

He's the best body puncher of his generation, best ticket seller of his generation and most exciting fighter since Nigel Benn, and beat the greatest 140lber ever (and reigning lb4lb #1 according to many).

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Are you being sarcastic?

- not nearly the best body puncher of his generation. I'm sure I could think of plenty that are better, but at in and around that weight class alone, Cotto is better.

- best ticket seller of his generation: Oscar de la Hoya. C'mon, mate. Hatton is not even close.

- nigel benn was not the most exciting fighter when he was around, so i'm not even sure what you mean there. in any case, manny pacquiao, among many, many others, is more exciting than the clinch- and wrestle-fest that is a ricky hatton fight.

- finally, kostya was NOT ANYONE'S #1 p4p EVER. when ricky beat the old kostya (in a very close and very sloppy fight), B-Hop was the unanimuos consensus #1, followed by #2 Floyd Mayweather and #3 Winky Wright. Pretty much everyone also considered MAB, Pacquiao and EM higher than KT as well.

nope. he aint

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

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Originally Posted by killersheep

He doesn't stack up to, Meldrick Taylor, Aaron Pryor, Julio Cesar Chavez, Bruno Arcari, Nicolino Locche.

This same topic came up about PBF recently. Nobody that's boxing today is going to be considered ATG.

The only ones that may be considered close are:

ODLH
B-Hop

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Originally Posted by WWatt

And he's still going, he'll get rid of Castillo in impressive fashion in the summer and then beat Mayweather if Mayweather takes the fight.

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Castillo is gonna spank Hatton.

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CCa,gree with everything you said,except Castillo beating Hatton. Hatton will win,he's too young,too agressive and it's his weight class. I don't see anyone going toe to toe with the Hitman at 140 and getting the best of it,I just don't especially the way he dismantled Tszyu. I actually think Hatton deserves a lot more credit for that fight,I'm not a big Ricky fan but he was awesome that night and now,EVERYONE that said Tszyu would KO him in 5 etc etc is now saying that KT was old,over the hill etc. He had a long lay off but he was still a HOT favourite.

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Oh man, is that another signature bet i smell? lol CC bro

Hatton is not even close to being All Time Good, much less great

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Hatton is not even close to being All Time Good, much less great

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lol

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Originally Posted by WWatt

He's the best body puncher of his generation, best ticket seller of his generation and most exciting fighter since Nigel Benn, and beat the greatest 140lber ever (and reigning lb4lb #1 according to many).

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I agree with all of that, I can't think of a better body puncher than him, and there's no one I'd rather pay to watch than Hatton, and Kostya Tszyu was top of a lot of people p4p listings. It doesn't mean he's an all time great in everyones books, but Barry McGuigan is in The Ring HOF, and I think if Ricky goes on to achieve a win over Castillo and Mayweather (Big IFs) then he's definatly an ATG.

He's definitely not an ATG, and I'm sure if he could be... he better handle welterweight better this time because there is a large concern with HBO not giving him enough fights that he will not be able to make junior welterweight for much longer.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

He doesn't stack up to, Meldrick Taylor, Aaron Pryor, Julio Cesar Chavez, Bruno Arcari, Nicolino Locche.

This same topic came up about PBF recently. Nobody that's boxing today is going to be considered ATG.

The only ones that may be considered close are:

ODLH
B-Hop

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Originally Posted by WWatt

And he's still going, he'll get rid of Castillo in impressive fashion in the summer and then beat Mayweather if Mayweather takes the fight.

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Castillo is gonna spank Hatton.

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If you think Meldrick Taylor is an ATG and Mayweather isn't than you have bulb lose... Meldrick didn't do anywhere near enough to be an ATG because he was destroyed that punch in round 12, and IMO Mayweather could beat any of those fighters you mentioned he would be too quick, and too good defensively for any ofthem.

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Originally Posted by mezy602

Richard "The Hitman" Hatton boasts a record of 41-0 (30KO). With his undefeated record, if he were to retire now would he be considered one of boxing's greats?

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His undefeated record has only 1 name on it, that in the future, will be vaguely remembered.

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Originally Posted by mezy602

He has fought recognizable opponents such as a 36 year old Kostya Tszyu but thats about it. He has fought 37 of his 41 fights in and around England against opponents most boxing fans outside of England would even recognize. But, he did deafeat a 36 year old Kostya Tszyu. Does his victory over a diminishing 36 year old Kostya Tszyu make him on of the top fighters today.

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Again...one name does not a GOAT record make.

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Originally Posted by mezy602

It has even been said that Pretty Boy Floyd Mayweather has been ducking Hatton. What I have to say about that, if that is truly what the public thinks the sport of Boxing is in more trouble than can ever be expected.

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Hatton turned down Floyd quite some time back...he said that he wasn't ready...both he & his team said that they needed a few more fights to get prepared for the challenge...that was just prior to his "win" over Colloza...that win was just prior to him moving back down in weight...which was right about the time that Floyd was preparing to defeat his 3rd man at 147lbs.

Boxing aint in that much trouble babe...people just refuse to take all the facts into account before they go ripping people's records & accomplishments apart. ;D

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Originally Posted by Taeth

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Originally Posted by killersheep

He doesn't stack up to, Meldrick Taylor, Aaron Pryor, Julio Cesar Chavez, Bruno Arcari, Nicolino Locche.

This same topic came up about PBF recently. Nobody that's boxing today is going to be considered ATG.

The only ones that may be considered close are:

ODLH
B-Hop

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Originally Posted by WWatt

And he's still going, he'll get rid of Castillo in impressive fashion in the summer and then beat Mayweather if Mayweather takes the fight.

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Castillo is gonna spank Hatton.

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If you think Meldrick Taylor is an ATG and Mayweather isn't than you have bulb lose... Meldrick didn't do anywhere near enough to be an ATG because he was destroyed that punch in round 12, and IMO Mayweather could beat any of those fighters you mentioned he would be too quick, and too good defensively for any ofthem.

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I didn't say that Meldric Taylor was an ATG, I said that Hatton wasn't on his level. Mayweather is not an ATG to me either, he COULD become one, just as Hatton COULD become one. But I don't think it's likely in either case at this point especially if Mayweather retires after ODLH, then what would Hatton's big goal be?

My vote is YES ! I Love this guy ! Ricky is a true "in your face, lets fucking go" type fighter. Just love him ! He is like a wild animal during the ring announcements, like " fuck off already" lets do it ! anyone that can make Kostya Tszyu quit. is a fucking legend ! JMO O0

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Originally Posted by Taeth

He's definitely not an ATG, and I'm sure if he could be... he better handle welterweight better this time because there is a large concern with HBO not giving him enough fights that he will not be able to make junior welterweight for much longer.

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His next 2 fights are done deals, if they go to plan then I think thats when we'll see if hatton can handle 147, if he loses any of the next 3 then I think his criticism will be well earned, until then, people who are just mouthing off risk egg on their faces again, like when he beat Tszyu.
The people who I respect when they speak know who they are, and won't get egg on their faces because they'll know the real deal when they see it and embrace it. Or, will be correct all along and I'll do the same, take what I see, accept that I'm wrong, and embrace what I see with open arms, becuase win or lose, this is boxing, anything can happen, and you gotta take the rough with the smooth.

He has all-time great skills and all-time great ability, and has beaten an all-time great fighter already.

He's heading for the Hall and beyond, if he beats Castillo and atleast runs Mayweather close.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Hatton is not even close to being All Time Good, much less great

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::** Okay, that is actually quite funny! ;D

Truth is of course Ricky isnt an all time great.
He's past victorys dont boast any kinda arguement to conter that.

Vince Phillips isnt an all time great... Is he?!

He is a great Light-Welter though.

ATG is a title for the special ones.

Of course Hatton couldnt be considered a great currently; what he does over the next ~2 years will determine how he will be remembered. He needs to create a bigger fan base for himself in the US to have any real form of legacy, and thats just what hes trying to do with this 3 fight contract he has with HBO. OK things havent gone quite to plan, what with barely scraping past Collazo and then going back down in weight, but im sure his next fights will be entertaining enough and will vwin him new fans. As his fan base grows he can make bigger fights as stepping stones to greatness, and taking Castillos scalp in 2007 would be a great start.

Not yet.

Not boxed + beaten enough big names.


SHORT + SWEET,just like me. :)

Wudn't put him in the top 5 best brits atm, let alone thik of him as an all time great - he could be maybe, but not yet, still big fights out there for him. Castillo, Cotto, mayweather, maybe corales..

Here's my to do list for Hatton to become an ATG

1) Beat Castillo at 140
2) Rematch Collazo and beat him convincingly at 147
3) Stay undefeated
4) Defeat PBF or ODLH at any weight

He could probably be considered an ATG for England not worldwide yet.

Though his win over Tszyu was huge, stil it's not enough to be considered an ATG....

Theres still a few things he needs to accomplish in order to be an ATG.....



(Thats why I laugh when people say Naz is an ATG) :-X

Yeah but Naz was a snuff queen , pink panties type of fighter he was !

Ricky brings the pain, , that’s what I like to see. guts, determination, none stop punching. and non stop forward aggression . O0

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Originally Posted by Lords Gym

Yeah but Naz was a snuff queen , pink panties type of fighter he was !

Ricky brings the pain, , that’s what I like to see. guts, determination, none stop punching. and non stop forward aggression . O0

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You must vomit at the sight of PBF then?

What a shiit thread.

"what if he retired today"

Jeees.

He aint retiring for another couple of years - until, in his own words, he's had a couple of barnstormer's stateside at Vegas and MSG.

For Hatton,Id say unify the titles,beat Castillo,Corrales,fight either PBF or Cotto and rematch Collazo then he would be a great.

If he leaves the sport without fighting Collazo again,I'll always remember that because he said at least twice that he would give him a rematch and that's disrespectful becuause firslty Collazo gave him a shot and second,he took Luis belt,his ranking and has left him in limbo!

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Originally Posted by Lords Gym

Yeah but Naz was a snuff queen , pink panties type of fighter he was !

Ricky brings the pain, , that’s what I like to see. guts, determination, none stop punching. and non stop forward aggression . O0

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Ricky does indeed bring the pain ;D

He is probably at ATG status in the UK now yeah, but on a world level nowhere near. He needs to fight and beat Cotto (will NOT be easy at 147, although Cotto is untested at this weight), Castillo (should do him) maybe even zab/Corrales. I dont think rematching Collazo will effect his legacy, he already has the win, not a convincing one to be fair.

Beating floyd at 147 would be definate ATG status, it would close the book, end of argument. Unfortunatley Ricky cant beat Floyd at 147... At MOST Ricky would give Floyd TROUBLE at 140 and thats it, IMO.

So ATG great status on a WORLD level for Rick is prob not gonna happen. Which is a shame because he is a good lad.

So what im saying is, the guys mentioned above ^ Rick HAS to beat to achieve ATG status...Im just not sure he can beat them..

And dont get me wrong here, im a fan of the guys, When he beat szyu it took me about 2 days to come down from the buzz. BUT I just aint sure how seriously he takes his boxing, im not kidding. WTF is he thinking with his weight between fights? I know its an old subject, and he's done if for a long time. But ffs he needs to show himself/the sport a bit more respect. You aint gonna catch Mayweather walking round 3 stones over his fight weight. This is whats gonna catch Ricky out in the long run..

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Originally Posted by TheCruelBallet

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Originally Posted by Lords Gym

Yeah but Naz was a snuff queen , pink panties type of fighter he was !

Ricky brings the pain, , that’s what I like to see. guts, determination, none stop punching. and non stop forward aggression . O0

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Ricky does indeed bring the pain ;D

He is probably at ATG status in the UK now yeah, but on a world level nowhere near. He needs to fight and beat Cotto (will NOT be easy at 147, although Cotto is untested at this weight), Castillo (should do him) maybe even zab/Corrales. I dont think rematching Collazo will effect his legacy, he already has the win, not a convincing one to be fair.

Beating floyd at 147 would be definate ATG status, it would close the book, end of argument. Unfortunatley Ricky cant beat Floyd at 147... At MOST Ricky would give Floyd TROUBLE at 140 and thats it, IMO.

So ATG great status on a WORLD level for Rick is prob not gonna happen. Which is a shame because he is a good lad.

So what im saying is, the guys mentioned above ^ Rick HAS to beat to achieve ATG status...Im just not sure he can beat them..

And dont get me wrong here, im a fan of the guys, When he beat szyu it took me about 2 days to come down from the buzz. BUT I just aint sure how seriously he takes his boxing, im not kidding. WTF is he thinking with his weight between fights? I know its an old subject, and he's done if for a long time. But ffs he needs to show himself/the sport a bit more respect. You aint gonna catch Mayweather walking round 3 stones over his fight weight. This is whats gonna catch Ricky out in the long run..

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Originally Posted by mezy602

Richard "The Hitman" Hatton boasts a record of 41-0 (30KO). With his undefeated record, if he were to retire now would he be considered one of boxing's greats? He has fought recognizable opponents such as a 36 year old Kostya Tszyu but thats about it. He has fought 37 of his 41 fights in and around England against opponents most boxing fans outside of England would even recognize. But, he did deafeat a 36 year old Kostya Tszyu. Does his victory over a diminishing 36 year old Kostya Tszyu make him on of the top fighters today. It has even been said that Pretty Boy Floyd Mayweather has been ducking Hatton. What I have to say about that, if that is truly what the public thinks the sport of Boxing is in more trouble than can ever be expected.

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stop the sarcasm you hatton hater