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We all know how accomplished he was/is as a fighter, but does his record hold up under scrutiny, when talking about the very best 140pounders in history.
Biggest wins are arguably, Zab (and fair play for that) and JCC (Who was a shadow)
I don't remember any other really big names on his resume - and obviously the manner of the 2 defeats hurts his legacy
I know you can pick holes in anybodies record, I just don't see many superfights on his ticket.
Whaddayathunk?
I think the people that remember him will give him the correct props..But those that only have a record to look at cant give him them in the same way...
His record doesnt do him justice for how good and solid a fighter he is... We all know he could well have had more superfights.. and although he didnt we know he could have..
But he may well drift away as far as the future is concerned and people not knowing of him..
Yeh I agree - it's the same when people look at Duran's first 70 fights and pick holes, becuase they have only seen it on paper and not the fights themselvesQuote:
Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
Miguel Angel Gonzalez
Sharmba Mitchell
Diobelys Hurtado
I reckon all three of those guys are better fighters than Zab Judah. The Chavez fight doesn't even get a mention IMO - he was too old.
Rodriguez, Pineda, Ruelas - all world class fighters.
For 10 yrs he pretty much beat everybody out there at 140.
I think Tszyu will go down as one of the 140lb divisions best of all time maybe the best...His record is deciving though......
koysta is a legend one of the greats, the fans who witness him knows this.
anyone else think kid diamond reminds a little of koysta?
Kostya was a great fighter, he had amazing accuracy with his power punches, my biggest problem with him though is that he wasn't active enough, he had long periods of inactivity and had many years where he only fought once in that entire year. His skill was great, but activity is a huge factor on how I rate fighters.
See the thing is, i know nothing about 80% of those fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greig
Im assuming that in 20 years time, more and more of the future boxing fans will be just as ignorant as me, hence like BHB says, in time, Tszyu's achievments may simply diminish into little more than an inactive hard hitter in a weak division... It definately would be sad to see his loss to Hatton emerge as the highlight of his brilliant career.
For reasons stated i cant really comment on Tszyu's carrer... But im all ears eyes ;)
he will be remember by hardcore fans. being as though he doesn't have as many big names as a delahoya people will overlook him bit.
I beleive his amatuer career was to long, he lost a lot of his peak years because of it and basing himself in Australia He was a great fighter that should have done more.
Honestly...I aint that big on Kostya.
He's a good fighter...but in the grand scheme of things...he's just a minnow that barely makes a splash in a much bigger pond.
Cotto, IWO, is a much superior fighter with a hell of a lot better record.
:coolclick: In full agreement. Good post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
gotta say, and i dont say this much but i totally disagree with you on that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
Wacko, you need to lay off the moonshine, old son
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
always kinda felt like cotto could beat kostya :dontknow:
Thats the thing, it was always this guy or that guy could beat Tszyu, they got in the ring, and didn't just get beat, they got completly destroyed. No one had a better right cross. Even the greats meet their match sooner or later. Tszyu destroyed Judah and Mitchell at the height of their powers when Tszyu was in his 30's, he taken on all comers and completly obliterated them like they were bums. It didn't matter because he'd always land that right cross.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'
see thats thing with kostya. as his career went on he relied to much on that righthand
kostya beat sharmba in how many rounds, 2 or 3 wasnt it?
mayweather fought an even worse sharmba and took 5,
cotto got wobbled by de marcus corley lol, who hit mayweather a fair bit to be honest. cotto jus aint gnna take kostyas punches
It let him down once in 10 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'
you might be right.Quote:
Originally Posted by oakleyno1
Please, deliberate. ^-^Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
3rd person analysis is fine ;)
You reckon Wacko bumped his head or something? I hope he's ok. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimboogie
KT dominated the division and beat most of the best fighters whilst he was there,I don't think you can ask any more than that of a fighter. One must wonder why Oscar did not go to 140??
kostya destroyed vernon forrest in the amatuers,vernon forrest went on to beat shane mosely twice in the pro's,kostya was a brilliant fighter as a amatuer.
lol@wacko. kostya would only need 2 or 3 rounds to get rid of cotto.
Don't forget Tszyu's win over James Leija ! James Leija is often over looked, I always thought Leija was a great fighter to watch, very pleasing to the eye as he moved about the ring. excellent form ! His wars with Azumah Nelson were legandary !Quote:
Originally Posted by Greig
Tszyu was a fantastic 140 lbs fighter... the best Jr. Welterweight ever in my opinion. a fantastic fighter to watch , his style is very exciting.
I submit that even though Kostya beat Julio Cesar Chavez, JCC was better overall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lords Gym
JCC had more heart insomuch that he fought everyfriggin body on the planet at 140.
JCC was a great watch .. no doubt about that. better over all ? I don't know? they both terrific fighters . if pressed I would still lean to Tszyu . Just like Kostya better overall.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Kostya Tszyu only had 33 pro fightsQuote:
Originally Posted by Lords Gym
JCC had 116
by the time they fought JCC had already been a pro for 20 years.
I have a real hard time rating someone that fights once a year higher than someone that was as successful and active as JCC. I agree that KT is up there, and HAD HE CONTINUED FIGHTING after losing to Hatton I would probably rate him higher. I'm trying to think of anyone that KT beat that had a great chin.
tyzu has been consistent in his career for fighting good fighters, not great fighters (except JCC who was old)
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Originally Posted by killersheep
Ben Tackie comes to mind... a fucking great underrated fighter.. Tackie has great chin ! a great kid ! tons of heart ! and good power .. I will always will be watching Ben Tackie fight !
opinons on if kostya fought mayweather instead of hatton that night?
Hey Saddo, i need to speak to somebody about paying my Doctors bill! I was happily munching my cornflakes, reading this subject, when i read Wackos and The Boxers comments, I fair dinkum choked on the spoon! :puke:
hey without kt we wouldn't have gotten to see zab's greatest chicken dance performance ever, that alone makes kt an all time great!
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Originally Posted by oakleyno1
tszyu was supposed to fight mayweather right after that fight, but he lost
mayweather at 140 would have had a field day on kosta that night
Totally different styles of fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by oakleyno1
You can't make a broad statement like that because it's well known that Kostya was more of a KO artist while Floyd was an accurate accumulative puncher.
Cotto was fighting a stupid fight that night against someone that he took to lightly...he hasn't been rocked like that in his whole career & then up until Torres. Cotto's fought some serious punchers & hasn't been stopped in 28 fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by oakleyno1
Kostya got beaten by Vince Phillips & stopped TKO in 2 matches out of 31 matches...I mean...come on. ::**
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Originally Posted by Rudy Zarzoff
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Cotto...dude, he fights guys with good records...but with no good wins. They are all over cab drivers. And as for the guys on cottos record, most of them i never heard of...at all. I look over kostyas and i see former champions and good fighters that i have heard of. And remember zab didnt do too bad against floyd and also sharmba was at one point beating everyone put infront of him in the 140 division...until kostya came back and put him on his arse. Kostya will go down as a legend, love him or hate him. I just dont see how people can hate him, name a boxer who was as gracious in defeat as kostya was after hatton?
Spot on CC#196....Quote:
Originally Posted by Greig
Right on LG.... agreed.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Lords Gym
Noooo way....WackOff (at least NOT now, gonna asume you mixed up Jack & Coke and by coke I mean it in powder form ;D )Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
At the moment Kostya is still better, with a better record.....
See the posts above and YOU KNOW I LOVES ME SOME COTTO.... :lickish:
But Tszyu was amazing, Cotto is well on his way but still has a little bit of road to cover....
Ok well correct if im wrong but i see cotto fighting alot of stupid fights. He gets rocked by everyone lately. Imagine what KTs right hand would do to him. And trust me mate, if cotto fights pbf and maybe hatton...he could have a couple of losses on his record by tko. ;) And thats just stupid mate, your judging cottos current career...which hasnt been a very long one, against kostya long career who is about retired. Theres still alot to come for cotto, and it could be a lot of losses. Cotto fought abdaluev or however the fuck you spell it...the most hype that came out of that was the fact he beat cotto in the ams....IN THE FUCKING AMS! Ive seen cottos am record and that shit was not great so making a fight on the fact he beat him in the ams is just fucked. And he seemed to give cotto a hard fight, that night i wasnt impressed with either of them. And then you got torres...hmm yeah, was i the only one who was left thinking who the fuck is that when that fight was announced? That fight should of been a blow out...yet cotto was put on queer street in the first couple of rounds. The names i recognise on cottos record are:lovemore ndou coz im an ozzie and ive seen him fight a lot and from what i saw of that fight, cotto faded down the stretch and lovemore came on like a motherfucker and made that one close fight...and lovemore aint that good ;)...actually he was kostyas SPARRING PARTNER ;) Maussa...hmm yeah awkward as fuck but no champion, he upset viv but viv wasnt great either, Corley...and he was givin cotto a bit of trouble and imo that fight was stopped too early and paulie who also gave cotto a bit of trouble even with a broken jaw and he was green as grass. Cotto got alot of shit to prove yet to be mentioned next to kostya tszyus name, when cotto rules a division...for any period of time, dont expect him to match kostyas 10yrs, then talk to me about him being better ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
Good to be back too guys, hows thing goin wacko?
I apologise in advance for not getting technical about why this statement is as it is, but I tend to think of it as the sort of plain common-sense objectively-accurate statement that for instance "2 + 2 = 4" or "Grass is Green" is. So here it is.
Kostya Tyszu was one of the best fighters P4P of the 1990's, a true champion, an all-time great, a future hall of famer and possibly, in his prime, the best 140lber who's ever lived.