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Can any one tell me why Ali and Foreman never fought a rematch?
And if they would have fought again who do you think would've won. I'm talking about a rematch in the U.S without a crazy crowd baying for Georges blood and a lunatic dictator not letting you leave the country after a postponement?
Any thoughts people?
It would have been one of the best fights of all time IMO....Ali had only 1 more shining moment in beating Frazier again....after that it was obvious decline....
Foreman would have been harder to beat next time out. Younger, stronger and a little more experience from tasting defeat....
I predict no winner though! ;D
Well Miles what if the first fight would have been in the U.S, no african crowd, no loose ropes etc...
Ther was 3 Ali v FRaizer 3 Ali v Norton 2 Foreman v Fraizers why only 1 Ali v Foreman surely the world would have demanded it
I've often though about this .
The Rumble in the Jungle must have taken so much more out of Ali .
Sounds like an odd statement but he had to take some huge blows to the body whereas i think George went down as much from exhaustion as much the famous right.
George had a massive breakdown after that fight .
External factors are not relevant to a pro...Ali won that fight fair and square and would have done so in the states. A rematch is not so cut and dry.Quote:
Originally Posted by motorcitycobra
Imagine a mature Foreman mind inside the young Foreman body!!!! Now that would beat Ali right there and then in the first fight!!!! Perhaps!! ;D
I agree but going to Zaire as a nieve 22 yoer old must be quite an intimidating experience an having all the country hating you an trying to pull out of the fight only for the President to not allow your plane to leave must have had some impact
Of course it had an impact. But once in that ring and being a pro, those influences should not be at the front of your mind..Quote:
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Cheers for the views Miles. The local offy just got restocked with Hite 640ml bottles £1, bought a shit load bet thats cheaper than where you are. ;)
I buy bottles with 1500ml for 2 pounds and 50 pence....Im stunned that your offy sells hite!!! :-\ ;DQuote:
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Tell your offy to get the pitcher bottles....that is real value!!!Quote:
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Never seen any beer in a 1500ml bottle, feck me i'd look like dwarf stood in the bar holding one of those with both hands,lol ;D
;D Its great value. They dont sell it in the bar though. Those bottles are just at the store!Quote:
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I saw an interview where BIG George said that after that fight he secluded himself and wated to be left alone he didn't want to know anything he just wen't into his own world, I also remember him saying he would wake up in the middle of the night sweating during that time off.....
I mean BIG George was off for over a year after that fight.
If there would have been a re-match lets say 5-6 months later I think Ali would have finished him off sooner the 2nd time around as BIG George would still have flashbacks of their 1st meeting.
But two years later he came back an kicked JFs ass a second time. I may be looking too much in to this but if George can do that to Kenny norton an Jf twice why not Ali. Ali was the master of sports psychology and he really got in to Georges head, do you think it would have different in America?
An how come there was never a mention of a rematch?
I like Ali but ive always thought that a rematch would of been bad news for him.
Foreman never wanted a rematch...He has stated that before...Maybe now that he older he wishes he did but at the time....That loss did a lot to hurt georges confidence...Foreman was youn g and thought he was invincible...When you are that age and that strong and you give a guy everything you have while the whole time he talks to you telling "Thats all you got"!!!!.....Your already beat before the rematch.....Foreman needed time to deal with that loss...By time he was over it mentaly Ali was long retired
cheers Daxx :coolclick:and to Mick and milesQuote:
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CC back to ya 8)
CC, right back fella!Quote:
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Foreman lost because he abandoned any defence he showed in previous and post fights. He had no defence and he got caught. If he would have shown more defence against ali, he would have won easily.
Foreman wanted a rematch.
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I go by what the New Happy George stated later on in life....I have seen several interviews where he has said that at that time he was not ready for the rematch...Of course every fighter wants that rematch at some point in time...George himself stated that he did not want an immediate rematch...Gotta go by what the man states now not 30 years ago
well lets take this into account foreman was never same after ali loss as you could see when he was floored twice by ron lyle and almost koed plus getting outboxed by jimmy young ali had few more great fights in him like fight with fraizer 3 and earnie shavers if ali would of fought foreman again i think foreman would of been beaten mentally and ali would of outboxed big george over 12 rounds
Couple people hit it on the head imo, Daxx and Mick, CC to both. Foreman, firstly, was impacted greatly by that loss and probably had alot of baggage for a good while after that. But secondly, someone suggested that Foreman would be more mature or collected somehow for the rematch, and I just don't see where he ever showed this in his first career. George really never developed a calm boxing style until his comeback many years later. I don't see the performance he put on after losing to Ali and before retiring for the first time that would suggest otherwise. His next fight was the absolute back and forth war with Ron Lyle, hardly showed any improvement in that fight if you ask me... Then after that he fought the ghost of Joe Frazier AFTER the thrilla in manilla and Frazier was able to actually do better than he did the first time out.... somehow... And then in his next signifigant fight he lost to Jimmy Young, getting dropped in the 12th. Though Ali did fade quickly after the Foreman fight, had they fought within a year or so after(say even if ALi fought him instead of Frazier a third time), I could only see him repeating the win, if not more convincingly winning early rounds..
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Agreed 100% CC back at ya