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Who matches up best with Pac?
After watching a replay of the JMM MAB fight it seemed like mentioning Pac was the proverbial 800 pound gorrila in the room. All this talk of a rematch is a little boring. Did anyone else notice that both fighters had gray hairs? The time to establish their legacy is now. There is only one way to do it and I don't think it's all that exciting at this point to find out is MAB is better than JMM. The prez of the WBC had it right when he made Pac the next mandatory fight. This has to be the next fight or so help me god, I'm skipping any rematch.
Pac is in his prime and nobody can call themselves a true champion unless they beat him.
I'm going out on a limb and saying that Humberto Soto has the best chance at him. He's a hard hitting counter puncher who can move which should be the perfect foil for Pac's blitzing style. Those two qualities make him a better candidate than Juarez even if Juarez's loss to him for those reasons didn't make it obvious.
I also like Joan Guzman to make it, at the very least, a battle to the end.
Finally I'd like to see Edwin Valero just as a curiosity because at least someone would get knocked out quickly.
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As crazy as it sounds, I think Pac - Valero would be a very close match. Neither fighter would give an inch, Valero has absolutely 0 defense but he is ALWAYS throwing and he throws the type of bombs that I can see Pacman walking into. The only thing I worry is Pac's one punch power. Valero is just a fighter who is balls to the wall and overwhelms you with his hands at his hips and while I think he can connect to Pacquiao, I don't know if he could KO him before Pac got to him.
That would have the potential to be one of the most fun matches to watch out there. Two guys who swing with little regard for defense.
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any fight that includes pac will be fun to watch.
i just have to see pac jmm rematch, two of my fave fighters winner rules the division maybe even a trilogy is possible.
guzman and valero even soto can be after pac and jmm settle things.
i still have lots of doubts about valero and his hype, i really don't think his as good as his hype. i think pac will make easy work of him, but i'd love to see pac fight him just to prove valero is all hype.
guzman and soto for pac will be great, but i'd like to see guzman soto fight eachother. it always seems like pac has to fight everyone, i think they should fight eachother too. just like mab and jmm did, they fought eachother. its not like they have anything better to do, so why not fight eachother and forget the bums they keep stacking up on their winning list. so the winner between them can demand a fight with pacman.
i wanna see guzman valero and soto in the big stage fight eachother, while pac and jmm settle whos best.
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As crazy as it sounds, I think Pac - Valero would be a very close match. Neither fighter would give an inch, Valero has absolutely 0 defense but he is ALWAYS throwing and he throws the type of bombs that I can see Pacman walking into. The only thing I worry is Pac's one punch power. Valero is just a fighter who is balls to the wall and overwhelms you with his hands at his hips and while I think he can connect to Pacquiao, I don't know if he could KO him before Pac got to him.
That would have the potential to be one of the most fun matches to watch out there. Two guys who swing with little regard for defense.
Absolutely!!! Valero is one scary beast. I'm scared for PAC in this one, PAC has shown over and over again that he has below if not average defense and can get hurt big time. But I honestly would like to see this one happening.
If PAC beats Valero and win it by knockout I can say that PAC can already retire and he is absolutely the best superfeatherweight of all time for beating a naturally much larger man with the highest knockout percentage and most1st round kayo :)
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As crazy as it sounds, I think Pac - Valero would be a very close match. Neither fighter would give an inch, Valero has absolutely 0 defense but he is ALWAYS throwing and he throws the type of bombs that I can see Pacman walking into. The only thing I worry is Pac's one punch power. Valero is just a fighter who is balls to the wall and overwhelms you with his hands at his hips and while I think he can connect to Pacquiao, I don't know if he could KO him before Pac got to him.
That would have the potential to be one of the most fun matches to watch out there. Two guys who swing with little regard for defense.
I really havent seen much of Valero but that Humberto Soto guy can throw some blows. I would like to see him and Manny Pacquiao go at it. Maybe even a bout at lightweight against Juan Diaz would be cool to see too. Manny Pacquiao beats the S*** out of people.
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As crazy as it sounds, I think Pac - Valero would be a very close match. Neither fighter would give an inch, Valero has absolutely 0 defense but he is ALWAYS throwing and he throws the type of bombs that I can see Pacman walking into. The only thing I worry is Pac's one punch power. Valero is just a fighter who is balls to the wall and overwhelms you with his hands at his hips and while I think he can connect to Pacquiao, I don't know if he could KO him before Pac got to him.
That would have the potential to be one of the most fun matches to watch out there. Two guys who swing with little regard for defense.
Absolutely!!! Valero is one scary beast. I'm scared for PAC in this one, PAC has shown over and over again that he has below if not average defense and can get hurt big time. But I honestly would like to see this one happening.
If PAC beats Valero and win it by knockout I can say that PAC can already retire and he is absolutely the best superfeatherweight of all time for beating a naturally much larger man with the highest knockout percentage and most1st round kayo :)
yea but name one above b level fighter valero has beat?
those guys valero knock out pac would k.o much worst than valero can. their basically all b...u...m....any of the top fighters would k.o those guys valero ko'ed.
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As crazy as it sounds, I think Pac - Valero would be a very close match. Neither fighter would give an inch, Valero has absolutely 0 defense but he is ALWAYS throwing and he throws the type of bombs that I can see Pacman walking into. The only thing I worry is Pac's one punch power. Valero is just a fighter who is balls to the wall and overwhelms you with his hands at his hips and while I think he can connect to Pacquiao, I don't know if he could KO him before Pac got to him.
That would have the potential to be one of the most fun matches to watch out there. Two guys who swing with little regard for defense.
Absolutely!!! Valero is one scary beast. I'm scared for PAC in this one, PAC has shown over and over again that he has below if not average defense and can get hurt big time. But I honestly would like to see this one happening.
If PAC beats Valero and win it by knockout I can say that PAC can already retire and he is absolutely the best superfeatherweight of all time for beating a naturally much larger man with the highest knockout percentage and most1st round kayo :)
yea but name one above b level fighter valero has beat?
those guys valero knock out pac would k.o much worst than valero can. their basically all b...u...m....any of the top fighters would k.o those guys valero ko'ed.
Mosquera is a good fighter but I agree completely. And Pac beating a guy who has absolutely NO defense wouldn't exactly be an upset. And if he retired after beating Valero he's top 5 maybe, but no way is he top spot,
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As crazy as it sounds, I think Pac - Valero would be a very close match. Neither fighter would give an inch, Valero has absolutely 0 defense but he is ALWAYS throwing and he throws the type of bombs that I can see Pacman walking into. The only thing I worry is Pac's one punch power. Valero is just a fighter who is balls to the wall and overwhelms you with his hands at his hips and while I think he can connect to Pacquiao, I don't know if he could KO him before Pac got to him.
That would have the potential to be one of the most fun matches to watch out there. Two guys who swing with little regard for defense.
Absolutely!!! Valero is one scary beast. I'm scared for PAC in this one, PAC has shown over and over again that he has below if not average defense and can get hurt big time. But I honestly would like to see this one happening.
If PAC beats Valero and win it by knockout I can say that PAC can already retire and he is absolutely the best superfeatherweight of all time for beating a naturally much larger man with the highest knockout percentage and most1st round kayo :)
yea but name one above b level fighter valero has beat?
those guys valero knock out pac would k.o much worst than valero can. their basically all b...u...m....any of the top fighters would k.o those guys valero ko'ed.
Mosquera is a good fighter but I agree completely. And Pac beating a guy who has absolutely NO defense wouldn't exactly be an upset. And if he retired after beating Valero he's top 5 maybe, but no way is he top spot,
yea beating valero doesn't really have much reward for pac, specially the fact that only hardcore fans know about valero and fact that valero hasn't beat anyone worth talking about.
beating jmm would give pac more credit. beating valero would just prove valero was hype.
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Pac and JMM will be a great re-match---I would bet on JMM this time
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Yeah, any Pac fight will be great to watch, but I'd like the idea of JMM rematch because I want Pac has the title he deserves.
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I'd like to see Valero vs. Pacquiao but i honestly cant see it fufilling the potential it has on paper. I can see either Edwin or Manny trying to outbox the other. It would be an interesting clash of styles. Either way Pac wins by late stoppage.
Pac-Juarez would be an easy fight or Manny. He would destroy Juarez easily. I question Rocky's heart after the 2 barrera losses and I think Manny would stop him in around the 6th.
Marquez would beat Pacquiao in my opinion. JMM would have learned his mistakes from the last fight and would beat Pac by UD. People say JMM is overrated because before the Barrera fight his greatest preformances was against Pacquiao and he only managed a draw but people need to remember that Manny dropped Marquez 3 times in the first and JMM would not allow that kind of thing to happen again.
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JMM has the best change at beating PAC IMO.
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The best fight on paper should be JMM and PAC. That would be a monstrous follow-up fight after the OLDH- Mayweather tiff. :laugh: :lickish:
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Manny Pacquiao vs Edwin Valero is fun and it'll be a slugfest... but in my opinion Manny will brutalize him inside of four rounds if they ever fight.
Manny i think has underated defense and chin. He's faster than Edwin, has lots of experience fighting elites and perhaps they're equal in power. Manny will have all the advantages.
Juan Manuel Marquez definitely has a better chance of defeating Manny than Marco, Joan, Edwin, Rocky, etc. yet i'll still favor Manny against him. A Marquez rematch is the best and meaningful match for Pacquiao.
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I think PAC has done enough at 130, he should move up to 135 and fight Casamayor, Guzman or one of the Diaz's.
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I think PAC has done enough at 130, he should move up to 135 and fight Casamayor, Guzman or one of the Diaz's.
if ever pac moves up to 135 he'd fight casamayor. thats a dream fight i'll love to see.
but pac has unfinish business with jmm, and pac is not a division skipping fighter, so he'll prollyy stay until he fights jmm just to settle whos best.
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As crazy as it sounds, I think Pac - Valero would be a very close match. Neither fighter would give an inch, Valero has absolutely 0 defense but he is ALWAYS throwing and he throws the type of bombs that I can see Pacman walking into. The only thing I worry is Pac's one punch power. Valero is just a fighter who is balls to the wall and overwhelms you with his hands at his hips and while I think he can connect to Pacquiao, I don't know if he could KO him before Pac got to him.
That would have the potential to be one of the most fun matches to watch out there. Two guys who swing with little regard for defense.
Absolutely!!! Valero is one scary beast. I'm scared for PAC in this one, PAC has shown over and over again that he has below if not average defense and can get hurt big time. But I honestly would like to see this one happening.
If PAC beats Valero and win it by knockout I can say that PAC can already retire and he is absolutely the best superfeatherweight of all time for beating a naturally much larger man with the highest knockout percentage and most1st round kayo :)
You would give him the best superfeatherweight of al time for that? So you think he would beat Mayweather or Azumah at the weight? I can't even see him beating Corrales or Casamayor at the weight. Mayweather would destroy him at 130. Also Pacquaio isn't that small weighing in at 144 means that he's at least as big as Mayweather in his walking around weight, and larger than Valero from what I've seen.
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Manny Pacquiao vs Edwin Valero is fun and it'll be a slugfest... but in my opinion Manny will brutalize him inside of four rounds if they ever fight.
Manny i think has underated defense and chin. He's faster than Edwin, has lots of experience fighting elites and perhaps they're equal in power. Manny will have all the advantages.
Juan Manuel Marquez definitely has a better chance of defeating Manny than Marco, Joan, Edwin, Rocky, etc. yet i'll still favor Manny against him. A Marquez rematch is the best and meaningful match for Pacquiao.
man.. if i could copy your post i wont have to type.. hahahaha.. but plagiarism aside.. a lot of people here under estimate manny's defense and chin.. the last time he was koed was when he was 112lbs.. if anybody was hit by 3 consecutive rights from larios the way manny did they would have been ktfo.. he got hit by morales too in their last fight.. and those were not pillow punches either....also.. we all know that mab got the better of jmm in that fight.. if pac hits jmm the same shots mab was landing.. i dunno.. ill leave the answer to u guys...
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Manny Pacquiao vs Edwin Valero is fun and it'll be a slugfest... but in my opinion Manny will brutalize him inside of four rounds if they ever fight.
Manny i think has underated defense and chin. He's faster than Edwin, has lots of experience fighting elites and perhaps they're equal in power. Manny will have all the advantages.
Juan Manuel Marquez definitely has a better chance of defeating Manny than Marco, Joan, Edwin, Rocky, etc. yet i'll still favor Manny against him. A Marquez rematch is the best and meaningful match for Pacquiao.
man.. if i could copy your post i wont have to type.. hahahaha.. but plagiarism aside.. a lot of people here under estimate manny's defense and chin.. the last time he was koed was when he was 112lbs.. if anybody was hit by 3 consecutive rights from larios the way manny did they would have been ktfo.. he got hit by morales too in their last fight.. and those were not pillow punches either....also.. we all know that mab got the better of jmm in that fight.. if pac hits jmm the same shots mab was landing.. i dunno.. ill leave the answer to u guys...
+3 :coolclick: i'm starting to like your comments, i'll be looking forward to more.
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Originally Posted by Shina
Manny Pacquiao vs Edwin Valero is fun and it'll be a slugfest... but in my opinion Manny will brutalize him inside of four rounds if they ever fight.
Manny i think has underated defense and chin. He's faster than Edwin, has lots of experience fighting elites and perhaps they're equal in power. Manny will have all the advantages.
Juan Manuel Marquez definitely has a better chance of defeating Manny than Marco, Joan, Edwin, Rocky, etc. yet i'll still favor Manny against him. A Marquez rematch is the best and meaningful match for Pacquiao.
man.. if i could copy your post i wont have to type.. hahahaha.. but plagiarism aside.. a lot of people here under estimate manny's defense and chin.. the last time he was koed was when he was 112lbs.. if anybody was hit by 3 consecutive rights from larios the way manny did they would have been ktfo.. he got hit by morales too in their last fight.. and those were not pillow punches either....also.. we all know that mab got the better of jmm in that fight.. if pac hits jmm the same shots mab was landing.. i dunno.. ill leave the answer to u guys...
I don't know Larios isn't the hardest puncher ever. However I agree that Pacquaio has a decent chin, but it still isn't great. Also his defense is pretty good as long as he is boxing, but as soon as he starts to throw combinations, and especially when he gets tagged throwing combinations he goes crazy, and his defence goes to shit.
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You would give him the best superfeatherweight of al time for that? So you think he would beat Mayweather or Azumah at the weight? I can't even see him beating Corrales or Casamayor at the weight. Mayweather would destroy him at 130. Also Pacquaio isn't that small weighing in at 144 means that he's at least as big as Mayweather in his walking around weight, and larger than Valero from what I've seen.
I'm almost tempted to say, 'you're boy ain't beaten nobody yet but my boy's beaten all the best out there,' but naw, I won't say that, that's just too unkind of me. So pac-fans, sorry about that, maybe next time when I feel more like an azzhole. ;D
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Pac has improved alot but i'd still like to see him prove it against an up and comer instead of a guy in decline . That way he can determine what he has and not what teh other guy hasnt got .
Each time he fought Morales the Mexican was coming off a loss so its difficult to tell if Manny is truely as good as the win on papaer suggest . He wasnt beating a peak Morales on a winning streak , the one he did beat was a guy who stayed down shaking his head after just 3 rounds , Erik wouldnt have done that in his prime.
A prime fighter for me right now is Guzman , he proved his worth against a guy in his prime against Barrios . That was seen as a toss up but Guzman was clearly superior on fight night . A fighter with Guzmans speed , desire , ambition and talent would be something Pac has never faced before . The winner would be ruler of the superfeatherweight division . It should happen
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Pac has improved alot but i'd still like to see him prove it against an up and comer instead of a guy in decline . That way he can determine what he has and not what teh other guy hasnt got .
Each time he fought Morales the Mexican was coming off a loss so its difficult to tell if Manny is truely as good as the win on papaer suggest . He wasnt beating a peak Morales on a winning streak , the one he did beat was a guy who stayed down shaking his head after just 3 rounds , Erik wouldnt have done that in his prime.
A prime fighter for me right now is Guzman , he proved his worth against a guy in his prime against Barrios . That was seen as a toss up but Guzman was clearly superior on fight night . A fighter with Guzmans speed , desire , ambition and talent would be something Pac has never faced before . The winner would be ruler of the superfeatherweight division . It should happen
cc, i totally agree ;)
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Pac has improved alot but i'd still like to see him prove it against an up and comer instead of a guy in decline . That way he can determine what he has and not what teh other guy hasnt got .
Each time he fought Morales the Mexican was coming off a loss so its difficult to tell if Manny is truely as good as the win on papaer suggest . He wasnt beating a peak Morales on a winning streak , the one he did beat was a guy who stayed down shaking his head after just 3 rounds , Erik wouldnt have done that in his prime.
A prime fighter for me right now is Guzman , he proved his worth against a guy in his prime against Barrios . That was seen as a toss up but Guzman was clearly superior on fight night . A fighter with Guzmans speed , desire , ambition and talent would be something Pac has never faced before . The winner would be ruler of the superfeatherweight division . It should happen
by the sounds of it ur trying to say that morales is a nobody is barrios is a somebody.. do u think barrios could even be in the level of morales????and youre saying guzman has the speed,desire ambition and talent.. u think his ambition is much more than morales.. or his desire... morales' ambition made him fight pac 3 times.. and his talent made him one of the youngest champion in boxing.. hes a hall of famer.. i understand you dont like pac.. but dont ever compare morales to guzman and barrios coz none of barrios or guzman's opponents was in morales' caliber.. or pac's or mab's
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Originally Posted by GAME
Pac has improved alot but i'd still like to see him prove it against an up and comer instead of a guy in decline . That way he can determine what he has and not what teh other guy hasnt got .
Each time he fought Morales the Mexican was coming off a loss so its difficult to tell if Manny is truely as good as the win on papaer suggest . He wasnt beating a peak Morales on a winning streak , the one he did beat was a guy who stayed down shaking his head after just 3 rounds , Erik wouldnt have done that in his prime.
A prime fighter for me right now is Guzman , he proved his worth against a guy in his prime against Barrios . That was seen as a toss up but Guzman was clearly superior on fight night . A fighter with Guzmans speed , desire , ambition and talent would be something Pac has never faced before . The winner would be ruler of the superfeatherweight division . It should happen
by the sounds of it ur trying to say that morales is a nobody is barrios is a somebody.. do u think barrios could even be in the level of morales????and youre saying guzman has the speed,desire ambition and talent.. u think his ambition is much more than morales.. or his desire... morales' ambition made him fight pac 3 times.. and his talent made him one of the youngest champion in boxing.. hes a hall of famer.. i understand you dont like pac.. but dont ever compare morales to guzman and barrios coz none of barrios or guzman's opponents was in morales' caliber.. or pac's or mab's
I understand you Bro, but we can't deny Erik is no longer in his prime when he got steamrolled by PAC nevertheless it's still a feat, Raheem was not able to drop Morales or even hurt him.
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Pac has improved alot but i'd still like to see him prove it against an up and comer instead of a guy in decline . That way he can determine what he has and not what teh other guy hasnt got .
Each time he fought Morales the Mexican was coming off a loss so its difficult to tell if Manny is truely as good as the win on papaer suggest . He wasnt beating a peak Morales on a winning streak , the one he did beat was a guy who stayed down shaking his head after just 3 rounds , Erik wouldnt have done that in his prime.
A prime fighter for me right now is Guzman , he proved his worth against a guy in his prime against Barrios . That was seen as a toss up but Guzman was clearly superior on fight night . A fighter with Guzmans speed , desire , ambition and talent would be something Pac has never faced before . The winner would be ruler of the superfeatherweight division . It should happen
by the sounds of it ur trying to say that morales is a nobody is barrios is a somebody.. do u think barrios could even be in the level of morales????and youre saying guzman has the speed,desire ambition and talent.. u think his ambition is much more than morales.. or his desire... morales' ambition made him fight pac 3 times.. and his talent made him one of the youngest champion in boxing.. hes a hall of famer.. i understand you dont like pac.. but dont ever compare morales to guzman and barrios coz none of barrios or guzman's opponents was in morales' caliber.. or pac's or mab's
I understand you Bro, but we can't deny Erik is no longer in his prime when he got steamrolled by PAC nevertheless it's still a feat, Raheem was not able to drop Morales or even hurt him.
im not saying erik is not past his prime.. im just saying that by the way he describes guzman he discredits erik achievements..... erik has fought almost twice the number of fights that guzman fought and most of erik's opponents are big names.. and to say that pac has never faced the desire speed talent and ambition like guzman poses are just a big diss to mab, jmm, and morales
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Pac has improved alot but i'd still like to see him prove it against an up and comer instead of a guy in decline . That way he can determine what he has and not what teh other guy hasnt got .
Each time he fought Morales the Mexican was coming off a loss so its difficult to tell if Manny is truely as good as the win on papaer suggest . He wasnt beating a peak Morales on a winning streak , the one he did beat was a guy who stayed down shaking his head after just 3 rounds , Erik wouldnt have done that in his prime.
A prime fighter for me right now is Guzman , he proved his worth against a guy in his prime against Barrios . That was seen as a toss up but Guzman was clearly superior on fight night . A fighter with Guzmans speed , desire , ambition and talent would be something Pac has never faced before . The winner would be ruler of the superfeatherweight division . It should happen
by the sounds of it ur trying to say that morales is a nobody is barrios is a somebody.. do u think barrios could even be in the level of morales????and youre saying guzman has the speed,desire ambition and talent.. u think his ambition is much more than morales.. or his desire... morales' ambition made him fight pac 3 times.. and his talent made him one of the youngest champion in boxing.. hes a hall of famer.. i understand you dont like pac.. but dont ever compare morales to guzman and barrios coz none of barrios or guzman's opponents was in morales' caliber.. or pac's or mab's
I understand you Bro, but we can't deny Erik is no longer in his prime when he got steamrolled by PAC nevertheless it's still a feat, Raheem was not able to drop Morales or even hurt him.
im not saying erik is not past his prime.. im just saying that by the way he describes guzman he discredits erik achievements..... erik has fought almost twice the number of fights that guzman fought and most of erik's opponents are big names.. and to say that pac has never faced the desire speed talent and ambition like guzman poses are just a big diss to mab, jmm, and morales
Nah , dont get me wrong . Im not saying beating Barrios makes you the man im just saying , Guzman proved himself against an un and comer . Pac didnt . The Morales he fought quit all too easily.
You say Morales has more ambition and desire than Guzman but I very seriously doubt it . Morales didnt bring much heart that night . His carrer on paper shows he was washed up or atleast in rapid declne. Guzman comes expecting to win and would have the pride of an undefeated fighter , not the losers mentality of Morales who was coming off a loss every time he met Pac . I just think its time Pac met someone with a pulse ;D just kiddin
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As crazy as it sounds, I think Pac - Valero would be a very close match. Neither fighter would give an inch, Valero has absolutely 0 defense but he is ALWAYS throwing and he throws the type of bombs that I can see Pacman walking into. The only thing I worry is Pac's one punch power. Valero is just a fighter who is balls to the wall and overwhelms you with his hands at his hips and while I think he can connect to Pacquiao, I don't know if he could KO him before Pac got to him.
That would have the potential to be one of the most fun matches to watch out there. Two guys who swing with little regard for defense.
Absolutely!!! Valero is one scary beast. I'm scared for PAC in this one, PAC has shown over and over again that he has below if not average defense and can get hurt big time. But I honestly would like to see this one happening.
If PAC beats Valero and win it by knockout I can say that PAC can already retire and he is absolutely the best superfeatherweight of all time for beating a naturally much larger man with the highest knockout percentage and most1st round kayo :)
You would give him the best superfeatherweight of al time for that? So you think he would beat Mayweather or Azumah at the weight? I can't even see him beating Corrales or Casamayor at the weight. Mayweather would destroy him at 130. Also Pacquaio isn't that small weighing in at 144 means that he's at least as big as Mayweather in his walking around weight, and larger than Valero from what I've seen.
I'm taking into consideration that PAC started really light as compared to fighters you've mentioned that fought way longer than him as a superfeather/or heavier. For a naturally small framed fighter PAC's achievements are way more of a FEAT than the fighters you've mentioned. To add you mean Valero and Mayweathers walking weight hovers around 140'ish? :o Dang those two definitely weighs alot more during fight night IMO.
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Pac has improved alot but i'd still like to see him prove it against an up and comer instead of a guy in decline . That way he can determine what he has and not what teh other guy hasnt got .
Each time he fought Morales the Mexican was coming off a loss so its difficult to tell if Manny is truely as good as the win on papaer suggest . He wasnt beating a peak Morales on a winning streak , the one he did beat was a guy who stayed down shaking his head after just 3 rounds , Erik wouldnt have done that in his prime.
A prime fighter for me right now is Guzman , he proved his worth against a guy in his prime against Barrios . That was seen as a toss up but Guzman was clearly superior on fight night . A fighter with Guzmans speed , desire , ambition and talent would be something Pac has never faced before . The winner would be ruler of the superfeatherweight division . It should happen
by the sounds of it ur trying to say that morales is a nobody is barrios is a somebody.. do u think barrios could even be in the level of morales????and youre saying guzman has the speed,desire ambition and talent.. u think his ambition is much more than morales.. or his desire... morales' ambition made him fight pac 3 times.. and his talent made him one of the youngest champion in boxing.. hes a hall of famer.. i understand you dont like pac.. but dont ever compare morales to guzman and barrios coz none of barrios or guzman's opponents was in morales' caliber.. or pac's or mab's
I understand you Bro, but we can't deny Erik is no longer in his prime when he got steamrolled by PAC nevertheless it's still a feat, Raheem was not able to drop Morales or even hurt him.
im not saying erik is not past his prime.. im just saying that by the way he describes guzman he discredits erik achievements..... erik has fought almost twice the number of fights that guzman fought and most of erik's opponents are big names.. and to say that pac has never faced the desire speed talent and ambition like guzman poses are just a big diss to mab, jmm, and morales
Nah , dont get me wrong . Im not saying beating Barrios makes you the man im just saying , Guzman proved himself against an un and comer . Pac didnt . The Morales he fought quit all too easily.
You say Morales has more ambition and desire than Guzman but I very seriously doubt it . Morales didnt bring much heart that night . His carrer on paper shows he was washed up or atleast in rapid declne. Guzman comes expecting to win and would have the pride of an undefeated fighter , not the losers mentality of Morales who was coming off a loss every time he met Pac . I just think its time Pac met someone with a pulse ;D just kiddin
i get wut ur saying man....but come on..would you like a fighter to prove himself against an up and comer or an establish champ?
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If you knock a guy down that many times...and you only come away with a draw...YOU LOST.
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Pac has improved alot but i'd still like to see him prove it against an up and comer instead of a guy in decline . That way he can determine what he has and not what teh other guy hasnt got .
Each time he fought Morales the Mexican was coming off a loss so its difficult to tell if Manny is truely as good as the win on papaer suggest . He wasnt beating a peak Morales on a winning streak , the one he did beat was a guy who stayed down shaking his head after just 3 rounds , Erik wouldnt have done that in his prime.
A prime fighter for me right now is Guzman , he proved his worth against a guy in his prime against Barrios . That was seen as a toss up but Guzman was clearly superior on fight night . A fighter with Guzmans speed , desire , ambition and talent would be something Pac has never faced before . The winner would be ruler of the superfeatherweight division . It should happen
by the sounds of it ur trying to say that morales is a nobody is barrios is a somebody.. do u think barrios could even be in the level of morales????and youre saying guzman has the speed,desire ambition and talent.. u think his ambition is much more than morales.. or his desire... morales' ambition made him fight pac 3 times.. and his talent made him one of the youngest champion in boxing.. hes a hall of famer.. i understand you dont like pac.. but dont ever compare morales to guzman and barrios coz none of barrios or guzman's opponents was in morales' caliber.. or pac's or mab's
I understand you Bro, but we can't deny Erik is no longer in his prime when he got steamrolled by PAC nevertheless it's still a feat, Raheem was not able to drop Morales or even hurt him.
im not saying erik is not past his prime.. im just saying that by the way he describes guzman he discredits erik achievements..... erik has fought almost twice the number of fights that guzman fought and most of erik's opponents are big names.. and to say that pac has never faced the desire speed talent and ambition like guzman poses are just a big diss to mab, jmm, and morales
Nah , dont get me wrong . Im not saying beating Barrios makes you the man im just saying , Guzman proved himself against an un and comer . Pac didnt . The Morales he fought quit all too easily.
You say Morales has more ambition and desire than Guzman but I very seriously doubt it . Morales didnt bring much heart that night . His carrer on paper shows he was washed up or atleast in rapid declne. Guzman comes expecting to win and would have the pride of an undefeated fighter , not the losers mentality of Morales who was coming off a loss every time he met Pac . I just think its time Pac met someone with a pulse ;D just kiddin
i get wut ur saying man....but come on..would you like a fighter to prove himself against an up and comer or an establish champ?
. . Usually an established champ yeah , but in this instance Morales wasnt a champ . He was coming off a loss everytime he met Pac so the Pacman was never beating a prime fighter . Erik should have atleast got back to winning ways but back to back losses have made him look like washed up fighter . Guzman is now an established champ, plus he is in his prime . Two things Morales wasnt .
History will view it as the changing of the eras . Tszyu wasnt at his best when he lost to Hatton , neither was Hopkins vs Taylor etc so the winners of those fights still need to prove their worth against other young fighters.The Morales wins didnt hold as much weight as they would if Pac did it 5 years ago . No discredit to Morales but the way I see it he has a had a superb career , the guy is great but its Pacs time and Pac should fight other young guys like himself . He can improve his rep by beating guys with aspirations like Joan . Its what boxings all about .
Btw I hear Joan is fighting Katsidis . Thats another great fight in terms of two guys not afraid to risk their unbeaten records. It should happen more often
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pac will knock out guzman valero and soto
jmm will easily u.d guzman valero and soto
pac and jmm rematch needs to happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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. . Usually an established champ yeah , but in this instance Morales wasnt a champ . He was coming off a loss everytime he met Pac so the Pacman was never beating a prime fighter . Erik should have atleast got back to winning ways but back to back losses have made him look like washed up fighter . Guzman is now an established champ, plus he is in his prime . Two things Morales wasnt .
History will view it as the changing of the eras . Tszyu wasnt at his best when he lost to Hatton , neither was Hopkins vs Taylor etc so the winners of those fights still need to prove their worth against other young fighters.The Morales wins didnt hold as much weight as they would if Pac did it 5 years ago . No discredit to Morales but the way I see it he has a had a superb career , the guy is great but its Pacs time and Pac should fight other young guys like himself . He can improve his rep by beating guys with aspirations like Joan . Its what boxings all about .
Btw I hear Joan is fighting Katsidis . Thats another great fight in terms of two guys not afraid to risk their unbeaten records. It should happen more often
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alright.. thats kool.. i just clarification... the thing is if we make deals with fights it would be great but promoters put fights together with fighters who can draw a crowd... honestly, half of the boxing world dont know who joan guzman is.. they need to beat a big name then draw some attention.. but thats besides the point.. ur point proven man
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i get wut ur saying man....but come on..would you like a fighter to prove himself against an up and comer or an establish champ?
. . Usually an established champ yeah , but in this instance Morales wasnt a champ . He was coming off a loss everytime he met Pac so the Pacman was never beating a prime fighter . Erik should have atleast got back to winning ways but back to back losses have made him look like washed up fighter . Guzman is now an established champ, plus he is in his prime . Two things Morales wasnt .
History will view it as the changing of the eras . Tszyu wasnt at his best when he lost to Hatton , neither was Hopkins vs Taylor etc so the winners of those fights still need to prove their worth against other young fighters.The Morales wins didnt hold as much weight as they would if Pac did it 5 years ago . No discredit to Morales but the way I see it he has a had a superb career , the guy is great but its Pacs time and Pac should fight other young guys like himself . He can improve his rep by beating guys with aspirations like Joan . Its what boxings all about .
Btw I hear Joan is fighting Katsidis . Thats another great fight in terms of two guys not afraid to risk their unbeaten records. It should happen more often
alright.. thats kool.. i just clarification... the thing is if we make deals with fights it would be great but promoters put fights together with fighters who can draw a crowd... honestly, half of the boxing world dont know who joan guzman is.. they need to beat a big name then draw some attention.. but thats besides the point.. ur point proven man
Yeah , you cant blame Pac cuz the name Morales brings in the $
It'd be good to see Pac fight guys like Valero and Arthur at superfeather and if he moves up theres great fights for him against young guns like Katsidis and Juan Diaz . I love to see these kids go at it cuz even if they lose badly , it isnt the end of the world for them , they can just learn form their mistakes . Plus they're eager to impress in their first superfight so they'll bring it all . A Pac fight would bring the best out of all of em
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Joan Guzman, slick and iron chinned. He has the best chance IMO.
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any fight that includes pac will be fun to watch.
i just have to see pac jmm rematch, two of my fave fighters winner rules the division maybe even a trilogy is possible.
guzman and valero even soto can be after pac and jmm settle things.
i still have lots of doubts about valero and his hype, i really don't think his as good as his hype. i think pac will make easy work of him, but i'd love to see pac fight him just to prove valero is all hype.
guzman and soto for pac will be great, but i'd like to see guzman soto fight eachother. it always seems like pac has to fight everyone, i think they should fight eachother too. just like mab and jmm did, they fought eachother. its not like they have anything better to do, so why not fight eachother and forget the bums they keep stacking up on their winning list. so the winner between them can demand a fight with pacman.
i wanna see guzman valero and soto in the big stage fight eachother, while pac and jmm settle whos best.
Amen to that homie ;D
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Pac is no longer focussed in boxing as compared to the times he was fighting MORALES.IMO ,anyone of the boxers you named here in this thread ,has a pretty good chance of defeating the PAC.
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Joan Guzman, slick and iron chinned. He has the best chance IMO.
iron chinned? no disrespect to guzman.. but who was the hardest puncher he ever faced??????
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Joan Guzman, slick and iron chinned. He has the best chance IMO.
iron chinned? no disrespect to guzman.. but who was the hardest puncher he ever faced??????
yea iron chinned??? thats an overstatement.
eric morales was iron chinned, people can talk shyt and say eric was past his prime when pac got to him, but past it or not iron chins remains iron chinned theres no prime iron chinned your born with it, and you die with an iron chin.
people are not seeing the great fight morales put on in defeat to pac. he hit pac with huge shots too and he took a lot of huge shots before accepting that pacman was nothing like anyone out there so he accept defeat. its a classic fight, one legend losing to the new legend.
guzman soto or valero wouldn't have done what pac did to morales, and what guzman soto valero do to their oppenents pac would do much worst to them.
the shots eric hit pac with he could of knock guzman soto or valero with (those shots pac took from eric), but pac hits some much harder and hit so much more often and so fast you can't see all of them coming. watch the fight it was brutal both fighters took huge shots but pac hits harder and can take more. guzman soto valero would of been out by any of the shots pac and eric took from eachother.
valero can pop but once someone that hits hard hits him his out, plus his power is overrated he hasn't beat anyone pac couldn't knock the fwock out.
guzman can move but he doesn't have an iron chin or power atleast its not yet proven if ever.
i repeat...the man who matches up best with pac is j....m....m
jmm may not have as good a chin as eric or mab, but he doesn't stay down and he has proven to pick oppenents apart.
jmm whoops any of the three guzman valero or soto, he makes them look foolish.
i repeat...pac jmm rematch needs to happen, any other fight is just a waste of time.
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Joan Guzman, slick and iron chinned. He has the best chance IMO.
iron chinned? no disrespect to guzman.. but who was the hardest puncher he ever faced??????
yea iron chinned??? thats an overstatement.
eric morales was iron chinned, people can talk shyt and say eric was past his prime when pac got to him, but past it or not iron chins remains iron chinned theres no prime iron chinned your born with it, and you die with an iron chin.
people are not seeing the great fight morales put on in defeat to pac. he hit pac with huge shots too and he took a lot of huge shots before accepting that pacman was nothing like anyone out there so he accept defeat. its a classic fight, one legend losing to the new legend.
guzman soto or valero wouldn't have done what pac did to morales, and what guzman soto valero do to their oppenents pac would do much worst to them.
the shots eric hit pac with he could of knock guzman soto or valero with (those shots pac took from eric), but pac hits some much harder and hit so much more often and so fast you can't see all of them coming. watch the fight it was brutal both fighters took huge shots but pac hits harder and can take more. guzman soto valero would of been out by any of the shots pac and eric took from eachother.
valero can pop but once someone that hits hard hits him his out, plus his power is overrated he hasn't beat anyone pac couldn't knock the fwock out.
guzman can move but he doesn't have an iron chin or power atleast its not yet proven if ever.
i repeat...the man who matches up best with pac is j....m....m
jmm may not have as good a chin as eric or mab, but he doesn't stay down and he has proven to pick oppenents apart.
jmm whoops any of the three guzman valero or soto, he makes them look foolish.
i repeat...pac jmm rematch needs to happen, any other fight is just a waste of time.
now thats real talk.......pac and jmm needs to happen.... meanwhile.. valero soto and guzman need to knock each other out and be a household name to be in the ranks of mab jmm pac and morales.
