"Tszyu would have blown Hatton away in two rounds" (Lovemore N'Dou)

"People forget that up until he fought Kostya Tszyu he hasn’t fought anyone credible. He was the most protected species I have ever seen. He beat Kostya, so what? It's all about timing. He beat Kostya when he was ready to be taken. It happens all the time. It's like when Tszyu beat up the great Chavez, it was all about timing. Chavez was ready to be taken. On his best, Tszyu would have blown Hatton away in two rounds. I know this for a fact because I have done a lot of sparring with Kostya when he was at his best." excerpt from NDou interview

http://www.boxingbuzz.com/peter-klitschko/wheatley7.htm

....yeah but they didn't fight when KT was at his best...and even then, who's to say Ricky couldn't have taken him....it's all about opinions

Kostya had become a one handed fighter by time he fought hatton. so maybe he's right. who knows. he should get off kostya nuts try and get him a fight with hatton.

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"People forget that up until he fought Kostya Tszyu he hasn’t fought anyone credible. He was the most protected species I have ever seen. He beat Kostya, so what? It's all about timing. He beat Kostya when he was ready to be taken. It happens all the time. It's like when Tszyu beat up the great Chavez, it was all about timing. Chavez was ready to be taken. On his best, Tszyu would have blown Hatton away in two rounds. I know this for a fact because I have done a lot of sparring with Kostya when he was at his best." excerpt from NDou interview

http://www.boxingbuzz.com/peter-klitschko/wheatley7.htm

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I agree with him.

N'dou is right and that whole interview is hysterical by the way, the man has a good sense of humour..'Fatton" I love it! The Tszyu that fought Miguel Angel Gonzalez in 1999 would have destroyed the Fatboy inside of 5 rounds maybe not two. Age and injury beat Tszyu and that is the fact of the matter.

GlennF makes a very good point about the Gonzalez fight - Tszyu was never better than he was that night, both offensively and defensively. Gonzalez had given ODLH a decent fight at 140 and Tszyu made him look like an amateur. The only thing Gonzalez landed was his head.

On another thread I said that Pryor was the greatest 140lb fighter ever and that he'd KO any of the other contenders. I stand by that, but the people who would do the best against him would be Chavez from 89-92, and Tszyu from 98-01.

Against Gonzalez he was supreme.

koysta is a great, not just in his home country but all over the world, hatton is a great only in his home country.

prime vs prime koysta knocks out hatton.

I don't think anyone out there who really knows the sport and can see past being a fan of the fighters themselves and just make an educated guess on the sport itself knows that....Kosty was a machine in his prime and a much busier fighter then when he fought Hatton...Like Boxer said by that time Tszyu had become a one handed figher who relied on his power a bit to much....in Kostya Tszyu's prime I pick him 99 out of 100

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"People forget that up until he fought Kostya Tszyu he hasn’t fought anyone credible. He was the most protected species I have ever seen. He beat Kostya, so what? It's all about timing. He beat Kostya when he was ready to be taken. It happens all the time. It's like when Tszyu beat up the great Chavez, it was all about timing. Chavez was ready to be taken. On his best, Tszyu would have blown Hatton away in two rounds. I know this for a fact because I have done a lot of sparring with Kostya when he was at his best." excerpt from NDou interview

http://www.boxingbuzz.com/peter-klitschko/wheatley7.htm

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I agree with him.

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Just like he blew away Vince Philips :)

But Kostya was good fighter but do you guys actually believe he would blow away Hatton in 2 you have got to be kidding.

Tszyu wasn't shot, he was well rested if anything.... and had not had a career full of wars.

It was just about styles!!

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Tszyu wasn't shot, he was well rested if anything.... and had not had a career full of wars.

It was just about styles!!

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Totally agree people think that Kostya 4 or 5 years ago is like some unbeatable force which isn't true he is very beatable and Hatton beat him and now there not giving him credit for win but at time no one on this forum gave him chance because i was guest and see ;) but now they have excuse that Kostya was shot ect so they use that excuse and take Ricky's victory away.

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I don't think anyone out there who really knows the sport and can see past being a fan of the fighters themselves and just make an educated guess on the sport itself knows that....Kosty was a machine in his prime and much busier...Like Boxer said by that time Tszyu had become a one handed figher who relied on his power a bit to much....in Kostya Tszyu's prime I pick him 99 out of 100

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That was the general consensus when they fought anyway.

I can see the same things being said if Hatton beats Castillo.

Well i see Kostya as being the better fighter in his prime. However, on the night Hatton faught Tszyu he was a possesed fighter he looked as if nothing was going to stop him. How can anyone say that Kostya could of beaten that easily in his prime?

I think it's hilarious that Lovemore feels the need to comment, being as on his best day he's never been half of the fighter either Tszyu or Hatton are.

Lovemore N'Dou...

































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"People forget that up until he fought Kostya Tszyu he hasn’t fought anyone credible. He was the most protected species I have ever seen. He beat Kostya, so what? It's all about timing. He beat Kostya when he was ready to be taken. It happens all the time. It's like when Tszyu beat up the great Chavez, it was all about timing. Chavez was ready to be taken. On his best, Tszyu would have blown Hatton away in two rounds. I know this for a fact because I have done a lot of sparring with Kostya when he was at his best." excerpt from NDou interview

http://www.boxingbuzz.com/peter-klitschko/wheatley7.htm

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I agree with him.

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Just like he blew away Vince Philips :)

But Kostya was good fighter but do you guys actually believe he would blow away Hatton in 2 you have got to be kidding.

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Tszyu had a gastro attack the night before the Phillips fight and came into the ring under 140lb. He was easily beating Phillips in the first three rounds then lost all energy. I don't think he would have blown Fatton away in two rounds in 1999, I give him five tops. Just like the subject 'One fight to many' it happened to Tszyu in one fight and at 36 years of age he couldn't handle the younger opponent. Five or six years earlier and the fatboy is thinking how many drinks have i really had!!!

At the end of the day...Tszyu lost to Hatton. BUT, the conditions in that fight where far from ideal...fighting in England, not the greatest of referee, etc. However, Hatton must be given credit for rushing Tszyu (albeit, the referee let him get away with quite a bit) and wearing him down. I would have loved to see a rematch before i could simply say it was a style issue for Kostya...but then again Kostya isn't that young anymore.

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I don't think anyone out there who really knows the sport and can see past being a fan of the fighters themselves and just make an educated guess on the sport itself knows that....Kosty was a machine in his prime and much busier...Like Boxer said by that time Tszyu had become a one handed figher who relied on his power a bit to much....in Kostya Tszyu's prime I pick him 99 out of 100

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That was the general consensus when they fought anyway.

I can see the same things being said if Hatton beats Castillo.

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I am not making excuses for the loss...Hatton beat him fair and square...Tszyu was the man at the time they fought and not to sound cheesy :D...But you know the old expression...To be the man you have to beat the man....and that is what Hatton did....

But look at it like this....

Camacho Beat an old Ray Leonard...Do you think Ray would have lost to Hector Sr in his prime???....Most likely not...but Camacho did get a win over him.....Now if the fight took place 8-10 yrs earlier would you have picked Camacho?

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I don't think anyone out there who really knows the sport and can see past being a fan of the fighters themselves and just make an educated guess on the sport itself knows that....Kosty was a machine in his prime and much busier...Like Boxer said by that time Tszyu had become a one handed figher who relied on his power a bit to much....in Kostya Tszyu's prime I pick him 99 out of 100

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That was the general consensus when they fought anyway.

I can see the same things being said if Hatton beats Castillo.

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I am not making excuses for the loss...Hatton beat him fair and square...Tszyu was the man at the time they fought and not to sound cheesy :D...But you know the old expression...To be the man you have to beat the man....and that is what Hatton did....

But look at it like this....

Camacho Beat an old Ray Leonard...Do you think Ray would have lost to Hector Sr in his prime???....Most likely not...but Camacho did get a win over him.....Now if the fight took place 8-10 yrs earlier would you have picked Camacho?

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Thats totally different Leonard was really old and had been shot for ages like when he got out boxed by Norris and hadn't fought for 6 years where as Kostya was knocking everybody out nobody thought before Hatton fight that he was shot thats why no one gave Hatton chance but now Hatton won people are saying he is shot and ect which makes me laugh considering they didn't give Hatton a hope in hell before.

Do you know what would clear up this murkiness in Hatton's career, a Tszyu - Cotto fight. If Tszyu won that things would become so clear to everyone. I say this because Hatton-Cotto probably won't happen.

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I don't think anyone out there who really knows the sport and can see past being a fan of the fighters themselves and just make an educated guess on the sport itself knows that....Kosty was a machine in his prime and much busier...Like Boxer said by that time Tszyu had become a one handed figher who relied on his power a bit to much....in Kostya Tszyu's prime I pick him 99 out of 100

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That was the general consensus when they fought anyway.

I can see the same things being said if Hatton beats Castillo.

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I am not making excuses for the loss...Hatton beat him fair and square...Tszyu was the man at the time they fought and not to sound cheesy :D...But you know the old expression...To be the man you have to beat the man....and that is what Hatton did....

But look at it like this....

Camacho Beat an old Ray Leonard...Do you think Ray would have lost to Hector Sr in his prime???....Most likely not...but Camacho did get a win over him.....Now if the fight took place 8-10 yrs earlier would you have picked Camacho?

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Thats totally different Leonard was really old and had been shot for ages like when he got out boxed by Norris and hadn't fought for 6 years where as Kostya was knocking everybody out nobody thought before Hatton fight that he was shot thats why no one gave Hatton chance but now Hatton won people are saying he is shot and ect which makes me laugh considering they didn't give Hatton a hope in hell before.

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I must be psychic coz I picked Fatton the moment I saw a gaunt looking Tszyu on the scale failing to make the weight! He had only fought three rounds in 2 1/2 years and we all got to excited about him blowing away 34 yr old Sharmba Mitchell. Age,injury,weight and a british referee all helped Fatton on the night. The Tszyu of 1999 v Fatton of 2005 is a short fight!

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Originally Posted by BIG H

Tszyu wasn't shot, he was well rested if anything.... and had not had a career full of wars.

It was just about styles!!

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LOL. My grandfather's never fought before. So if he got into the ring, he'd be "well-rested if anything," right? Kostya had an INJURED SHOULDER going into the fight! Why doesn't anyone acknowledge this?

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Do you know what would clear up this murkiness in Hatton's career, a Tszyu - Cotto fight. If Tszyu won that things would become so clear to everyone. I say this because Hatton-Cotto probably won't happen.

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I promise you Tszyu-Cotto (or Tszyu-anyone, for that matter) is far less likely to happen than Hatton-Cotto. Tszyu is old, fat, and retired, and that ain't changing.

Fatton is going to protect that unbeaten record no matter what happens and that means no fights with
Cotto, Margo or PBF! Like Calzaghe he will dodge the top guys and live off the one great win in his career.

tszyu looked awsome against mitchel and was rated #3 pound per pound by the ring.all you have to do is look at each of tszyu,s past apponents and ask yourself could hatton have defeated them?and you will see that hatton on his best night is easily the toughest apponent or one the toughest tszyu had ever faced period.forget about age.just picture prime hatton vs jake rodriguez,or an old roger mayweather,what about jan bergman,or vince phillips? now that would be a fight! how about hatton against raphael ruelas,or hurtado?what about a very old chavez,or sharmba mitchel?what about urkal,zab judah,tackie, james leija?o.k.for the most part i could see hatton winning all of those fights,specially the hatton that beat tszyu.or even the pre tszyu hatton.my point is that tszyu fought his toughest and most fierce apponent in his last bout and that is why he lost!Tszyu was a very ,very good champ.but he could be beaten,he was by a prime upset minded vince phillips, and then again against the young and fierce challenger and now world 140 lb champ Ricky Hit Man Hatton!and he will be champ until someone knocks him off the throne. ;)

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tszyu looked awsome against mitchel and was rated #3 pound per pound by the ring.all you have to do is look at each of tszyu,s past apponents and ask yourself could hatton have defeated them?and you will see that hatton on his best night is easily the toughest apponent or one the toughest tszyu had ever faced period.forget about age.just picture prime hatton vs jake rodriguez,or an old roger mayweather,what about jan bergman,or vince phillips? now that would be a fight! how about hatton against raphael ruelas,or hurtado?what about a very old chavez,or sharmba mitchel?what about urkal,zab judah,tackie, james leija?o.k.for the most part i could see hatton winning all of those fights,specially the hatton that beat tszyu.or even the pre tszyu hatton.my point is that tszyu fought his toughest and most fierce apponent in his last bout and that is why he lost!Tszyu was a very ,very good champ.but he could be beaten,he was by a prime upset minded vince phillips, and then again against the young and fierce challenger and now world 140 lb champ Ricky Hit Man Hatton!and he will be champ until someone knocks him off the throne. ;)

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I've pictured it and see Hatton losing to a number of those guys!

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....yeah but they didn't fight when KT was at his best...and even then, who's to say Ricky couldn't have taken him....it's all about opinions

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right...and in my opinion KT would have sparked out Hatton in his prime.....

glennf, i dont think hatton could beat those guys easy ,i think tough fights for hatton of the bunch are the prime vince phillips ,mitchel,judah,and gonzales,even hurtado,and the other guys wouldnt be easy either,just like the top 140 lbers of today,witter, harris ,ndou,castillo,lazcano ngoudjo.he even went up and beat a top 10 147 lber,in a close one against collazo.if hatton is so lousy let him fight at his natural wt division and defend his title against guys his size.it seems some people wont be happy tell he steps up to 147 and fights the bigger guys.he has his work cut out for him at 140,with castillo and hopefully corrales , witter or harris,and torres.ndou.those would be good fights.hatton would lose to delahoya,mosely,clottey,but i am sure he could hang in the top 5 or 10 at 147 as well.for now he is the man at 140.the castillo fight should answer alot of questions though,for both guys.

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glennf, i dont think hatton could beat those guys easy ,i think tough fights for hatton of the bunch are the prime vince phillips ,mitchel,judah,and gonzales,even hurtado,and the other guys wouldnt be easy either,just like the top 140 lbers of today,witter, harris ,ndou,castillo,lazcano ngoudjo.he even went up and beat a top 10 147 lber,in a close one against collazo.if hatton is so lousy let him fight at his natural wt division and defend his title against guys his size.it seems some people wont be happy tell he steps up to 147 and fights the bigger guys.he has his work cut out for him at 140,with castillo and hopefully corrales , witter or harris,and torres.ndou.those would be good fights.hatton would lose to delahoya,mosely,clottey,but i am sure he could hang in the top 5 or 10 at 147 as well.for now he is the man at 140.the castillo fight should answer alot of questions though,for both guys.

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Yep, you got all the fighters that he would have had trouble with, you know your stuff.
Hurtado would have been difficult for hatton, his reach and height was a problem for a lot of guys.
I guess i'm desperate for hatton to be seriously challenged and for that to happen he has to go to 147.
Would love to see him fight Cotto. You made good points!

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I don't think anyone out there who really knows the sport and can see past being a fan of the fighters themselves and just make an educated guess on the sport itself knows that....Kosty was a machine in his prime and much busier...Like Boxer said by that time Tszyu had become a one handed figher who relied on his power a bit to much....in Kostya Tszyu's prime I pick him 99 out of 100

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That was the general consensus when they fought anyway.

I can see the same things being said if Hatton beats Castillo.

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I am not making excuses for the loss...Hatton beat him fair and square...Tszyu was the man at the time they fought and not to sound cheesy :D...But you know the old expression...To be the man you have to beat the man....and that is what Hatton did....

But look at it like this....

Camacho Beat an old Ray Leonard...Do you think Ray would have lost to Hector Sr in his prime???....Most likely not...but Camacho did get a win over him.....Now if the fight took place 8-10 yrs earlier would you have picked Camacho?

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Thats totally different Leonard was really old and had been shot for ages like when he got out boxed by Norris and hadn't fought for 6 years where as Kostya was knocking everybody out nobody thought before Hatton fight that he was shot thats why no one gave Hatton chance but now Hatton won people are saying he is shot and ect which makes me laugh considering they didn't give Hatton a hope in hell before.

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I must be psychic coz I picked Fatton the moment I saw a gaunt looking Tszyu on the scale failing to make the weight! He had only fought three rounds in 2 1/2 years and we all got to excited about him blowing away 34 yr old Sharmba Mitchell. Age,injury,weight and a british referee all helped Fatton on the night. The Tszyu of 1999 v Fatton of 2005 is a short fight!

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Yeah same, when i saw him on the news at the weigh in i was like oh shit! Told my dad "kostyas gonna lose tomorrow" and he agreed. Never seen him look like that, i even went on the kostya forum and said that he looked bad but all of them were like "nah hes looking alright"...yeah bullshit. Anyway the fight happened, hatton won...congrats to him,but wouldnt of beat kostya in his prime.

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tszyu looked awsome against mitchel and was rated #3 pound per pound by the ring.all you have to do is look at each of tszyu,s past apponents and ask yourself could hatton have defeated them?and you will see that hatton on his best night is easily the toughest apponent or one the toughest tszyu had ever faced period.forget about age.just picture prime hatton vs jake rodriguez,or an old roger mayweather,what about jan bergman,or vince phillips? now that would be a fight! how about hatton against raphael ruelas,or hurtado?what about a very old chavez,or sharmba mitchel?what about urkal,zab judah,tackie, james leija?o.k.for the most part i could see hatton winning all of those fights,specially the hatton that beat tszyu.or even the pre tszyu hatton.my point is that tszyu fought his toughest and most fierce apponent in his last bout and that is why he lost!Tszyu was a very ,very good champ.but he could be beaten,he was by a prime upset minded vince phillips, and then again against the young and fierce challenger and now world 140 lb champ Ricky Hit Man Hatton!and he will be champ until someone knocks him off the throne. ;)

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Fair Point ;)

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tszyu looked awsome against mitchel and was rated #3 pound per pound by the ring.all you have to do is look at each of tszyu,s past apponents and ask yourself could hatton have defeated them?and you will see that hatton on his best night is easily the toughest apponent or one the toughest tszyu had ever faced period.forget about age.just picture prime hatton vs jake rodriguez,or an old roger mayweather,what about jan bergman,or vince phillips? now that would be a fight! how about hatton against raphael ruelas,or hurtado?what about a very old chavez,or sharmba mitchel?what about urkal,zab judah,tackie, james leija?o.k.for the most part i could see hatton winning all of those fights,specially the hatton that beat tszyu.or even the pre tszyu hatton.my point is that tszyu fought his toughest and most fierce apponent in his last bout and that is why he lost!Tszyu was a very ,very good champ.but he could be beaten,he was by a prime upset minded vince phillips, and then again against the young and fierce challenger and now world 140 lb champ Ricky Hit Man Hatton!and he will be champ until someone knocks him off the throne. ;)

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good shout boys. tottaly agree.
all this talk is just a chance for the hatton haters to slag him off a bit more and make it sound like the only decent fighter he has ever faught was past it and ready for the picking. absolute bollocks. i think tszyu was ranked number 2 P4P behind bhop at the time hatton beat him which says a lot in itself.
and as for lovemore ndou he should show a bit more class and revert from slagging off other fighters in that way.

PBF was ranked #2 after B-Hop.

Lovermore is talking out his arse.... Nobody was going to blow Hatton away that night .. Even me mate Tszyu at his best would have had his hands full with Ricky that night. Ricky was a full on jacket. I don't think Ricky was going to budge for anyone. However a fight like that takes something out both combatants. not sure were going to see Ricky at that level again .

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Nobody was going to blow Hatton away that night .. Even me mate Tszyu at his best would have had his hands full with Ricky that night. Ricky was a full on jacket. I don't think Ricky was going to budge for anyone.

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I can live with this, both fighters on their best night would be a great fight...
And I agree Hatton was a mad man! that night at MEN arena....

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However a fight like that takes something out both combatants.

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So true as we see it happen time and time again.

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not sure were going to see Ricky at that level again .

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And for me thats the fucked up part...
I mean are we really only gonna get to see Hatton at his best once? :(
Hatton at his best (like that night) is/was as exciting as watching ODLH in his days or Alexis.
I mean he was that explosive that night, it'll suck if that night is all we ever got from him.
I was lucky enough to see it live and I have the fight also.

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Lovermore is talking out his a***.... Nobody was going to blow Hatton away that night .. Even me mate Tszyu at his best would have had his hands full with Ricky that night. Ricky was a full on jacket. I don't think Ricky was going to budge for anyone. However a fight like that takes something out both combatants. not sure were going to see Ricky at that level again .

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This is true, that fight took a lot out of Hatton and I don't think he will ever be the same again.

if you watch the tszyu vs hatton fight it is plain to see that tszyu is at his best .any other 140 lb fighter would have lost to him that evening.he was clearly the same fighter that just prior to that fight demolished sharmba mitchell the 2nd best fighter in the division at the time.two years prior tszyu had a harder time with mitchell, and mitchell hadnt shown any sighns of slipping either.the truth is that night you would have needed a howitzer to stop hatton.i dont think hatton can ever top that performance,thats ok with me .hopefully we will see a little more of the hatton that beat magee,and thaxton,a perfect blend of technique and aggression.he will need that style to beat castillo and all the top fighters.

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if you watch the tszyu vs hatton fight it is plain to see that tszyu is at his best .any other 140 lb fighter would have lost to him that evening.he was clearly the same fighter that just prior to that fight demolished sharmba mitchell the 2nd best fighter in the division at the time.two years prior tszyu had a harder time with mitchell, and mitchell hadnt shown any sighns of slipping either.the truth is that night you would have needed a howitzer to stop hatton.i dont think hatton can ever top that performance,thats ok with me .hopefully we will see a little more of the hatton that beat magee,and thaxton,a perfect blend of technique and aggression.he will need that style to beat castillo and all the top fighters.

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CC mate, very good post. The Tszyu fight was what Hatton had been waiting for most of his career. He fought like a true warrior and was on a mission to make a statement that night. He took some sickening shots from Tszyu and to this day I wonder how he stayed on his feet. Maybe he was just too hungry that night and I do think he left a huge part of himself in the ring in that fight. Im a huge Tszyu fan and was gutted at the outcome but at least it was to a true gentleman who had huge respect for Kostya.

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if you watch the tszyu vs hatton fight it is plain to see that tszyu is at his best .any other 140 lb fighter would have lost to him that evening.he was clearly the same fighter that just prior to that fight demolished sharmba mitchell the 2nd best fighter in the division at the time.two years prior tszyu had a harder time with mitchell, and mitchell hadnt shown any sighns of slipping either.the truth is that night you would have needed a howitzer to stop hatton.i dont think hatton can ever top that performance,thats ok with me .hopefully we will see a little more of the hatton that beat magee,and thaxton,a perfect blend of technique and aggression.he will need that style to beat castillo and all the top fighters.

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MV you make a strong argument no doubt except that we saw the best of Tszyu from 1999-2001 and not in 2005. Coming off a 3 round demolition of Mitchell his only fight in 30 months, injury and weight problems he did a good job against a possesed Hatton. This has been a great post by all.

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Originally Posted by Lords Gym

Lovermore is talking out his a***.... Nobody was going to blow Hatton away that night .. Even me mate Tszyu at his best would have had his hands full with Ricky that night. Ricky was a full on jacket. I don't think Ricky was going to budge for anyone. However a fight like that takes something out both combatants. not sure were going to see Ricky at that level again .

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Love the picture - some people would still probabaly say it was the ref's fault on thge manchester crowd that did that to Kosta's face. I cant remeber anybody but Ricky landing a punch myself ;)