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Why on earth should Kessler or Calzaghe go to the states? Boxing is dead there.
Calzaghe vs. Manfredo +35000
Kessler vs. Andrade +20000
The money is in Europe now in Boxing.
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Re: Manny Pacquiao vs. Jorge Solis - not sold out only 14,793!
Tell that to two certain fighters on May 5th. ;)
The vast majority of the biggest fights in the history of boxing have taken place in the USA... it has always been and will most likely always be like that.
It is easy to say that Calzaghe and Kessler's fights have drawn bigger crowds than the 'Blaze of Glory' card last night... but they were pretty much fighting in their backyards. Joe was fighting in an 80,000 seater stadium too. If you stick Manny in front of a Filipino crowd in the Philippines, he will sell out the arena just as much as Joe and Mikkel. It is the same everywhere... here in Ireland, Bernard Dunne easily sells out whatever arena he is fighting in... John Duddy will most likely do the same when he is here in the near future too.
Fact is, the fighters who make it big in the USA know that is where to stay if you want to make the most amount of $$$, get the biggest fights and the most recognition. All the biggest names have made their names and cash fighting there... Joe Louis, Marciano, Ali, Dempsey, Frazier, Foreman, Tyson, Trinidad, De La Hoya, Hearns, Hagler, Ray Leonard, Ray Robinson, Duran, Julio Cesar Chavez, Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield, Roy Jones... I could go on. ;)
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Originally Posted by Oggie
Tell that to two certain fighters on May 5th. ;)
The vast majority of the biggest fights in the history of boxing have taken place in the USA... it has always been and will most likely always be like that.
It is easy to say that Calzaghe and Kessler's fights have drawn bigger crowds than the 'Blaze of Glory' card last night... but they were pretty much fighting in their backyards. Joe was fighting in an 80,000 seater stadium too. If you stick Manny in front of a Filipino crowd in the Philippines, he will sell out the arena just as much as Joe and Mikkel. It is the same everywhere... here in Ireland, Bernard Dunne easily sells out whatever arena he is fighting in... John Duddy will most likely do the same when he is here in the near future too.
Fact is, the fighters who make it big in the USA know that is where to stay if you want to make the most amount of $$$, get the biggest fights and the most recognition. All the biggest names have made their names and cash fighting there... Joe Louis, Marciano, Ali, Dempsey, Frazier, Foreman, Tyson, Trinidad, De La Hoya, Hearns, Hagler, Ray Leonard, Ray Robinson, Duran, Julio Cesar Chavez, Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield, Roy Jones... I could go on. ;)
your right man..... just take the larios vs pac for instance.. even the crooks and mobsters in the philippines stopped and watch the fight coz it happend in their backyard.... but the money making heaven for boxing is in the US
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well a couple of things bro:
1) oscar cockblocked pac man by making HBO part of the injunciton to not promote or show the pac man fight until the legal case is clear. so HBO could not have helped promote or even pretend the fight was even taking place for the matter so that obviously hurt the numbers
2) Texas is real close to mexico so the majority of the demographic was of latino descent so pac man didnt have his core fan base demographic targeted in good ole texas.
now if the fight was in LA, SF, Hawaii, and of course VEGAS then u know this mother would break records!
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Originally Posted by Elephant Beer
Why on earth should Kessler or Calzaghe go to the states? Boxing is dead there.
Calzaghe vs. Manfredo +35000
Kessler vs. Andrade +20000
The money is in Europe now in Boxing.
Your title is deceiving Elephant beer.
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
well a couple of things bro:
1) oscar cockblocked pac man by making HBO part of the injunciton to not promote or show the pac man fight until the legal case is clear. so HBO could not have helped promote or even pretend the fight was even taking place for the matter so that obviously hurt the numbers
2) Texas is real close to mexico so the majority of the demographic was of latino descent so pac man didnt have his core fan base demographic targeted in good ole texas.
now if the fight was in LA, SF, Hawaii, and of course VEGAS then u know this mother would break records!
i agree, and the thing is joe or mikkel may sell out arenas in their homecountry :P yea so pac would do the same too plus he'd do it in the states too. if a fighter sells out in vegas then that is a true feat not when he sells out arenas in his home country. that should happen if not then you have no chance of selling out arenas in u.s.a the biggest stage in the entire world.
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Originally Posted by Elephant Beer
Why on earth should Kessler or Calzaghe go to the states? Boxing is dead there.
Calzaghe vs. Manfredo +35000
Kessler vs. Andrade +20000
The money is in Europe now in Boxing.
yea 35000 people getting rip off by warren, in the states you don't have a fight card like that and get 35000 fooled.
blaze of glory had 100times better fight card. now that is a true boxing event. not the joke fights warren put together.
actually boxing is dead there not here, true competitions are here in the states. that was horrible the guy kahn fought was just suppose to be a fan from the stand watching joe fight that night. hell joe should of just pick a fan who came to watch that night and defended for the 20th time. basically that is how dead boxing is there. just a bunch of pampered fighter, fighting bums.
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
well a couple of things bro:
1) oscar cockblocked pac man by making HBO part of the injunciton to not promote or show the pac man fight until the legal case is clear. so HBO could not have helped promote or even pretend the fight was even taking place for the matter so that obviously hurt the numbers
Pac, cock blocked himself by agreein to GBP deal and then back peddling.
GBP could have easily NOT accepted the money Pac returned to them. GBP was actually nice enough to accept the money back AFTER Pac had agreed to GBP. If anyone here is to be blamed it's Pac for making that choice, no one made that aggreement with GBP but himself.
Let's get that straight, that night at the dinner table it was Pac & ODLH and no one else.
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How about Calzaghe fight somewhere OTHER then England or Wales and we'll see what the numbers are.
Calzaghe was fighting in his backyard..
Pacquiao wasn't.
Want to compare numbers of Manny fighting in the Phillipines and Joe in Wales ???
I bet then you'd say the money in boxing was in the Phillipines by your way of judging it ::**
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Originally Posted by Starr
How about Calzaghe fight somewhere OTHER then England or Wales and we'll see what the numbers are.
Calzaghe was fighting in his backyard..
Pacquiao wasn't.
Want to compare numbers of Manny fighting in the Phillipines and Joe in Wales ???
I bet then you'd say the money in boxing was in the Phillipines by your way of judging it ::**
great point.
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
well a couple of things bro:
1) oscar cockblocked pac man by making HBO part of the injunciton to not promote or show the pac man fight until the legal case is clear. so HBO could not have helped promote or even pretend the fight was even taking place for the matter so that obviously hurt the numbers
Pac, cock blocked himself by agreein to GBP deal and then back peddling.
GBP could have easily NOT accepted the money Pac returned to them. GBP was actually nice enough to accept the money back AFTER Pac had agreed to GBP. If anyone here is to be blamed it's Pac for making that choice, no one made that aggreement with GBP but himself.
Let's get that straight, that night at the dinner table it was Pac & ODLH and no one else.
dude so if lets say it was MAB, EM, Arce, or JMM u'd be saying the same thing?
oscar promised no BS or politics and he would be in the best interest of the fighters and for the sport. this clearly is not what he promised.
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
well a couple of things bro:
1) oscar cockblocked pac man by making HBO part of the injunciton to not promote or show the pac man fight until the legal case is clear. so HBO could not have helped promote or even pretend the fight was even taking place for the matter so that obviously hurt the numbers
Pac, cock blocked himself by agreein to GBP deal and then back peddling.
GBP could have easily NOT accepted the money Pac returned to them. GBP was actually nice enough to accept the money back AFTER Pac had agreed to GBP. If anyone here is to be blamed it's Pac for making that choice, no one made that aggreement with GBP but himself.
Let's get that straight, that night at the dinner table it was Pac & ODLH and no one else.
dude so if lets say it was MAB, EM, Arce, or JMM u'd be saying the same thing?
oscar promised no BS or politics and he would be in the best interest of the fighters and for the sport. this clearly is not what he promised.
Yes I would. SHIT!! I've and I still blame JMM & RM for whats happened to them.
I blame Margarito for waiting around on PBF and now hes getting the shaft from Arum.
Ultimately the FIGHTERS have to be responsible for what happens in their careers.
Look at Zahir Raheem, he beats the then P4P Erik and then hes disappears into obscurity.
IMO when shit! like that happens it's the fighters fault.
And yes ODLH did promise that but the HBO move was a GBP & TOP RANK thing that IS tied into PAC.
If Pac didn't wan't any drama the HE should have NEVER met with GBP. All he needed to do was say NO, I'm not interested.
That would have been that, cause I doubt GBP would have kidnapped him and put a gun to his temple.
He (Pac) made that choice he should have thought about it before meeting with GBP.
Anytime one is about to make a choice one has to weigh the pros and cons, looks like he didn't.
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Originally Posted by Starr
How about Calzaghe fight somewhere OTHER then England or Wales and we'll see what the numbers are.
Calzaghe was fighting in his backyard..
Pacquiao wasn't.
Want to compare numbers of Manny fighting in the Phillipines and Joe in Wales ???
I bet then you'd say the money in boxing was in the Phillipines by your way of judging it ::**
great point.
well I dont hear that often :coolclick:
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by Julius Rain
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Originally Posted by Starr
How about Calzaghe fight somewhere OTHER then England or Wales and we'll see what the numbers are.
Calzaghe was fighting in his backyard..
Pacquiao wasn't.
Want to compare numbers of Manny fighting in the Phillipines and Joe in Wales ???
I bet then you'd say the money in boxing was in the Phillipines by your way of judging it ::**
great point.
well I dont hear that often :coolclick:
Thats cause Julius Rain is a newbie. :P
Starr how you been luv?
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
well a couple of things bro:
1) oscar cockblocked pac man by making HBO part of the injunciton to not promote or show the pac man fight until the legal case is clear. so HBO could not have helped promote or even pretend the fight was even taking place for the matter so that obviously hurt the numbers
Pac, cock blocked himself by agreein to GBP deal and then back peddling.
GBP could have easily NOT accepted the money Pac returned to them. GBP was actually nice enough to accept the money back AFTER Pac had agreed to GBP. If anyone here is to be blamed it's Pac for making that choice, no one made that aggreement with GBP but himself.
Let's get that straight, that night at the dinner table it was Pac & ODLH and no one else.
dude so if lets say it was MAB, EM, Arce, or JMM u'd be saying the same thing?
oscar promised no BS or politics and he would be in the best interest of the fighters and for the sport. this clearly is not what he promised.
Yes I would. S***!! I've and I still blame JMM & RM for whats happened to them.
I blame Margarito for waiting around on PBF and now hes getting the shaft from Arum.
Ultimately the FIGHTERS have to be responsible for what happens in their careers.
Look at Zahir Raheem, he beats the then P4P Erik and then hes disappears into obscurity.
IMO when S***! like that happens it's the fighters fault.
And yes ODLH did promise that but the HBO move was a GBP & TOP RANK thing that IS tied into PAC.
If Pac didn't wan't any drama the HE should have NEVER met with GBP. All he needed to do was say NO, I'm not interested.
That would have been that, cause I doubt GBP would have kidnapped him and put a gun to his temple.
He (Pac) made that choice he should have thought about it before meeting with GBP.
Anytime one is about to make a choice one has to weigh the pros and cons, looks like he didn't.
no your right pac aint exactly guilt free on this one. hes obviously partially to blame as well. but when oscar waiting for him at LAX Soprano style with a brief case or whatever the situation was Oscar too has to consider ok if Pac does actually sign my papers there will be reprocussions with Arum atleast on the legal scale. Oscar is intelligent to know that.
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
well a couple of things bro:
1) oscar cockblocked pac man by making HBO part of the injunciton to not promote or show the pac man fight until the legal case is clear. so HBO could not have helped promote or even pretend the fight was even taking place for the matter so that obviously hurt the numbers
Pac, cock blocked himself by agreein to GBP deal and then back peddling.
GBP could have easily NOT accepted the money Pac returned to them. GBP was actually nice enough to accept the money back AFTER Pac had agreed to GBP. If anyone here is to be blamed it's Pac for making that choice, no one made that aggreement with GBP but himself.
Let's get that straight, that night at the dinner table it was Pac & ODLH and no one else.
dude so if lets say it was MAB, EM, Arce, or JMM u'd be saying the same thing?
oscar promised no BS or politics and he would be in the best interest of the fighters and for the sport. this clearly is not what he promised.
Yes I would. SHIT!! I've and I still blame JMM & RM for whats happened to them.
I blame Margarito for waiting around on PBF and now hes getting the shaft from Arum.
Ultimately the FIGHTERS have to be responsible for what happens in their careers.
Look at Zahir Raheem, he beats the then P4P Erik and then hes disappears into obscurity.
IMO when shit! like that happens it's the fighters fault.
And yes ODLH did promise that but the HBO move was a GBP & TOP RANK thing that IS tied into PAC.
If Pac didn't wan't any drama the HE should have NEVER met with GBP. All he needed to do was say NO, I'm not interested.
That would have been that, cause I doubt GBP would have kidnapped him and put a gun to his temple.
He (Pac) made that choice he should have thought about it before meeting with GBP.
Anytime one is about to make a choice one has to weigh the pros and cons, looks like he didn't.
i think pac met with GBP in the first place just to explore what else was out there for him(which i think a good business man should always do). there were pros and cons to it, but getting a bigger deal i'd have to say pac got the pros of of it. now GBP needs to stop crying about it a make a business move which is coisisting with top rank to set up huge fights.
and also pac is a guy who always explores what else he can do, thats why his a boxer/singer/actor/ and now going to be congressman.
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
well a couple of things bro:
1) oscar cockblocked pac man by making HBO part of the injunciton to not promote or show the pac man fight until the legal case is clear. so HBO could not have helped promote or even pretend the fight was even taking place for the matter so that obviously hurt the numbers
Pac, cock blocked himself by agreein to GBP deal and then back peddling.
GBP could have easily NOT accepted the money Pac returned to them. GBP was actually nice enough to accept the money back AFTER Pac had agreed to GBP. If anyone here is to be blamed it's Pac for making that choice, no one made that aggreement with GBP but himself.
Let's get that straight, that night at the dinner table it was Pac & ODLH and no one else.
dude so if lets say it was MAB, EM, Arce, or JMM u'd be saying the same thing?
oscar promised no BS or politics and he would be in the best interest of the fighters and for the sport. this clearly is not what he promised.
Yes I would. S***!! I've and I still blame JMM & RM for whats happened to them.
I blame Margarito for waiting around on PBF and now hes getting the shaft from Arum.
Ultimately the FIGHTERS have to be responsible for what happens in their careers.
Look at Zahir Raheem, he beats the then P4P Erik and then hes disappears into obscurity.
IMO when S***! like that happens it's the fighters fault.
And yes ODLH did promise that but the HBO move was a GBP & TOP RANK thing that IS tied into PAC.
If Pac didn't wan't any drama the HE should have NEVER met with GBP. All he needed to do was say NO, I'm not interested.
That would have been that, cause I doubt GBP would have kidnapped him and put a gun to his temple.
He (Pac) made that choice he should have thought about it before meeting with GBP.
Anytime one is about to make a choice one has to weigh the pros and cons, looks like he didn't.
no your right pac aint exactly guilt free on this one. hes obviously partially to blame as well. but when oscar waiting for him at LAX Soprano style with a brief case or whatever the situation was Oscar too has to consider ok if Pac does actually sign my papers there will be reprocussions with Arum atleast on the legal scale. Oscar is intelligent to know that.
Spot on, ODLH did know that BUT he did tell Pac he would handle all of that once the deal was done.
When Pac back peddled the deal was off and so were the promises that ODLH had said since the deal was off.
Arum attacked ODLH, lets just say Pac was caught in some friendly fire.
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Honest to goodnes, I am a die hard PAcquaio fan. However, agreeing to a contract with ODLH and returning the money to make the contract void is bad for his career and integrity. If ODLH is punishing the Pacman, the latter deserves it. When you lose integrity for money, you also deny yourself fair treatment.
No matter how I wish Pacman to fight JMM, I cannot really blame ODLH if he does not agree to it. However,I believe, if ODLH has a real good heart for boxers he will grant the wish of the boxing fans. I will respect ODLH whatever will be his decision because I see him as the aggrieved party.
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
well a couple of things bro:
1) oscar cockblocked pac man by making HBO part of the injunciton to not promote or show the pac man fight until the legal case is clear. so HBO could not have helped promote or even pretend the fight was even taking place for the matter so that obviously hurt the numbers
Pac, cock blocked himself by agreein to GBP deal and then back peddling.
GBP could have easily NOT accepted the money Pac returned to them. GBP was actually nice enough to accept the money back AFTER Pac had agreed to GBP. If anyone here is to be blamed it's Pac for making that choice, no one made that aggreement with GBP but himself.
Let's get that straight, that night at the dinner table it was Pac & ODLH and no one else.
dude so if lets say it was MAB, EM, Arce, or JMM u'd be saying the same thing?
oscar promised no BS or politics and he would be in the best interest of the fighters and for the sport. this clearly is not what he promised.
Yes I would. S***!! I've and I still blame JMM & RM for whats happened to them.
I blame Margarito for waiting around on PBF and now hes getting the shaft from Arum.
Ultimately the FIGHTERS have to be responsible for what happens in their careers.
Look at Zahir Raheem, he beats the then P4P Erik and then hes disappears into obscurity.
IMO when S***! like that happens it's the fighters fault.
And yes ODLH did promise that but the HBO move was a GBP & TOP RANK thing that IS tied into PAC.
If Pac didn't wan't any drama the HE should have NEVER met with GBP. All he needed to do was say NO, I'm not interested.
That would have been that, cause I doubt GBP would have kidnapped him and put a gun to his temple.
He (Pac) made that choice he should have thought about it before meeting with GBP.
Anytime one is about to make a choice one has to weigh the pros and cons, looks like he didn't.
no your right pac aint exactly guilt free on this one. hes obviously partially to blame as well. but when oscar waiting for him at LAX Soprano style with a brief case or whatever the situation was Oscar too has to consider ok if Pac does actually sign my papers there will be reprocussions with Arum atleast on the legal scale. Oscar is intelligent to know that.
Spot on, ODLH did know that BUT he did tell Pac he would handle all of that once the deal was done.
When Pac back peddled the deal was off and so were the promises that ODLH had said since the deal was off.
Arum attacked ODLH, lets just say Pac was caught in some friendly fire.
naw your actually right on that! oscar did claim he was gonna handle all the legal BS for the arum drama and then for what ever reason pac went back to arum???? which i still dont know why????
pac's probably thinking right about now man oscars got all the big names that i wanna fight and arums got fighters i never fukkkkkin heard of before LOL
