Tsuyz Vs Mayweather at light welterweight?

If Mayweather had had fought KT instead of Hatton what would the result have been?

well obviously it would have been a totally different fight but the way floyd boxed the week after the hatton - tszyu fight (against gatti) may suggest that mayweather would have boxed very cute against tszyu and maybe earned a decision because of his speed advantage. but i dont think he would have put a dent in kostya and i also think that if hatton faught mayweather instead of tszyu on that night he would have smashed him in 2.

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Originally Posted by porkypara

If Mayweather had had fought KT instead of Hatton what would the result have been?

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Decision win for Mayweather too quick too good of boxer for KT in all respect for KT.

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Originally Posted by jbirdy

well obviously it would have been a totally different fight but the way floyd boxed the week after the hatton - tszyu fight (against gatti) may suggest that mayweather would have boxed very cute against tszyu and maybe earned a decision because of his speed advantage. but i dont think he would have put a dent in kostya and i also think that if hatton faught mayweather instead of tszyu on that night he would have smashed him in 2.

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Are you kidding the Hatton who couldn't take Collazo out or the last joke he fought? Mayweather would beaten prime Tszyu let alone the KOstya that fought Hatton.

I think FM would be the favorate but I think KT would have a good chance the way he picks his shots and walks opponents down.

Judh caught FM with a few shots and KT hits much harder than him so he would be dangerous for as long as the fight lasted.

Judah is much faster than KT though thats difference Mayweather would beat KT he is too good for him imo.

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Originally Posted by jbirdy

well obviously it would have been a totally different fight but the way floyd boxed the week after the hatton - tszyu fight (against gatti) may suggest that mayweather would have boxed very cute against tszyu and maybe earned a decision because of his speed advantage. but i dont think he would have put a dent in kostya and i also think that if hatton faught mayweather instead of tszyu on that night he would have smashed him in 2.

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Ha ha ha, Hatton would never beat Floyd. Definately not in 2. Floyd probably would have stopped him. Floyd looked alot more impressive that week.

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Originally Posted by porkypara

If Mayweather had had fought KT instead of Hatton what would the result have been?

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UD for Floyd. Tszyu has the power, but wasn't conditioned enough, and would get outpointed.

UD mayweather

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Originally Posted by Unknowndonor

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Originally Posted by jbirdy

well obviously it would have been a totally different fight but the way floyd boxed the week after the hatton - tszyu fight (against gatti) may suggest that mayweather would have boxed very cute against tszyu and maybe earned a decision because of his speed advantage. but i dont think he would have put a dent in kostya and i also think that if hatton faught mayweather instead of tszyu on that night he would have smashed him in 2.

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Ha ha ha, Hatton would never beat Floyd. Definately not in 2. Floyd probably would have stopped him. Floyd looked alot more impressive that week.

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Originally Posted by porkypara

If Mayweather had had fought KT instead of Hatton what would the result have been?

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UD for Floyd. Tszyu has the power, but wasn't conditioned enough, and would get outpointed.

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How can you say KT was not conditioned enough???

He is/was one of the best conditiond fighters ever.

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Originally Posted by porkypara

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Originally Posted by Unknowndonor

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Originally Posted by jbirdy

well obviously it would have been a totally different fight but the way floyd boxed the week after the hatton - tszyu fight (against gatti) may suggest that mayweather would have boxed very cute against tszyu and maybe earned a decision because of his speed advantage. but i dont think he would have put a dent in kostya and i also think that if hatton faught mayweather instead of tszyu on that night he would have smashed him in 2.

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Ha ha ha, Hatton would never beat Floyd. Definately not in 2. Floyd probably would have stopped him. Floyd looked alot more impressive that week

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Originally Posted by porkypara

If Mayweather had had fought KT instead of Hatton what would the result have been?

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UD for Floyd. Tszyu has the power, but wasn't conditioned enough, and would get outpointed.

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How can you say KT was not conditioned enough???

He is/was one of the best conditiond fighters ever.

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Yes, I know. But he wasn't the same after that lay off. I know Hatton wore him down, but Tszyu was gonna fade late anyway. Hatton and camp structured their gameplan based on that. A few years back, a fight with Floyd, or hatton could have gone alot different. Age has caught our man Kostya, IMO.

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Originally Posted by porkypara

I think FM would be the favorate but I think KT would have a good chance the way he picks his shots and walks opponents down.

Judh caught FM with a few shots and KT hits much harder than him so he would be dangerous for as long as the fight lasted.

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tzsyu doesnt hit harder then judah!!!!!

he just landed a lucky punch that slammed judahs head into the ground, other then that his big accomplishment is beating up on old man chavez after ODH

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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

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Originally Posted by porkypara

I think FM would be the favorate but I think KT would have a good chance the way he picks his shots and walks opponents down.

Judh caught FM with a few shots and KT hits much harder than him so he would be dangerous for as long as the fight lasted.

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tzsyu doesnt hit harder then judah!!!!!

he just landed a lucky punch that slammed judahs head into the ground, other then that his big accomplishment is beating up on old man chavez after ODH

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Oh come on Sal i know your big fan of Judah but KT hits alot harder than Judah if KT would of landed as many shots as Judah did in early going of Mayweather fight Mayweather would of lost no question but KT wouldn't land as many shots because Judah is quicker ;)

But it wasn't lucky punch on Judah KT was on his way to winning 2nd round and Judah but his hands down and got tkoed and thats what you get for putting your hands down against big puncher like KT.

tszyus power is insanely overrated, and judahs is insanely underrated

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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

tszyus power is insanely overrated, and judahs is insanely underrated

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Maybe but KT hits harder than Judah no question and Judah isn't underrated i think people know he has got talent but he has had chances at top level quite few times and has failed and if he can't win Cotto fight he is done as fighter.

Sorry just read what you said again my mistake thought you said Judah was underrated not his power ignore most of what i said above ;)

Judah's style is the style to beat Floyd's. If they were to fight a rematch today, I think Judah would have a stronger chance at beating Floyd than anyone else. (Except maybe Mosley)
And the reason he was able to tag him early a number of times in their fight was because he was able to match Floyd for speed. You need quickness to surprise him with shots he won't see.
So to say because Judah caught Floyd, KT would've caught him too, is crazy
KT doesn't have the necessary speed needed to catch Floyd flush. Sure he's got the power, but Floyd will see and roll anything he's got.
Floyd would pepper him all night at will on route to a Gatti type beatdown. (Maybe not as onesided as the Gatti fight, but it'd be a lopsided victory)
In theory, he has the strength to walk him down all night. But I don't know how much merit that theory holds up.
Because everyone says they're gonna walk down Floyd.
But they never do it.

It's not gratifying moving in on him when every time you try, you're getting nailed.
And even if Floyd probably wouldn't knock KT out, he'd beat down on his confidence all night.
And a hesitant opponent is an easy opponent for Floyd.
He's done it all his career.

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Originally Posted by meowza

Judah's style is the style to beat Floyd's. If they were to fight a rematch today, I think Judah would have a stronger chance at beating Floyd than anyone else. (Except maybe Mosley)
And the reason he was able to tag him early a number of times in their fight was because he was able to match Floyd for speed. You need quickness to surprise him with shots he won't see.
So to say because Judah caught Floyd, KT would've caught him too, is crazy
KT doesn't have the necessary speed needed to catch Floyd flush. Sure he's got the power, but Floyd will see and roll anything he's got.
Floyd would pepper him all night at will on route to a Gatti type beatdown. (Maybe not as onesided as the Gatti fight, but it'd be a lopsided victory)
In theory, he has the strength to walk him down all night. But I don't know how much merit that theory holds up.
Because everyone says they're gonna walk down Floyd.
But they never do it.

It's not gratifying moving in on him when every time you try, you're getting nailed.
And even if Floyd probably wouldn't knock KT out, he'd beat down on his confidence all night.
And a hesitant opponent is an easy opponent for Floyd.
He's done it all his career.

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I disagree Mayweather figured out Judah after 4th round Mayweather in rematch wouldn't need to figure Judah out because he already knows strategy to beat him now and would win by late stoppage or easy ud but i do agree Mosley has good chance against Mayweather.

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by meowza

Judah's style is the style to beat Floyd's. If they were to fight a rematch today, I think Judah would have a stronger chance at beating Floyd than anyone else. (Except maybe Mosley)
And the reason he was able to tag him early a number of times in their fight was because he was able to match Floyd for speed. You need quickness to surprise him with shots he won't see.
So to say because Judah caught Floyd, KT would've caught him too, is crazy
KT doesn't have the necessary speed needed to catch Floyd flush. Sure he's got the power, but Floyd will see and roll anything he's got.
Floyd would pepper him all night at will on route to a Gatti type beatdown. (Maybe not as onesided as the Gatti fight, but it'd be a lopsided victory)
In theory, he has the strength to walk him down all night. But I don't know how much merit that theory holds up.
Because everyone says they're gonna walk down Floyd.
But they never do it.

It's not gratifying moving in on him when every time you try, you're getting nailed.
And even if Floyd probably wouldn't knock KT out, he'd beat down on his confidence all night.
And a hesitant opponent is an easy opponent for Floyd.
He's done it all his career.

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I disagree Mayweather figured out Judah after 4th round Mayweather in rematch wouldn't need to figure Judah out because he already knows strategy to beat him now and would win by late stoppage or easy ud but i do agree Mosley has good chance against Mayweather.

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Oh, totally!
But there's always the element of speed and surprise which you can never count out.
It wasn't just based on Floyd figuring out Judah that broke down, but also through a combination of body shots but mostly through his own will.
Now, I know I'll only fall under ridicule if I start saying, "what if Judah changed and he stays focused for 12 rounds!" so I won't go that route! :P
But his combination of speed and timing and power holds a better chance of taking out Floyd compared to a slow guy who just might be more determined for 12 rounds.
That's the main thing I was trying to get at.

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Originally Posted by meowza

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by meowza

Judah's style is the style to beat Floyd's. If they were to fight a rematch today, I think Judah would have a stronger chance at beating Floyd than anyone else. (Except maybe Mosley)
And the reason he was able to tag him early a number of times in their fight was because he was able to match Floyd for speed. You need quickness to surprise him with shots he won't see.
So to say because Judah caught Floyd, KT would've caught him too, is crazy
KT doesn't have the necessary speed needed to catch Floyd flush. Sure he's got the power, but Floyd will see and roll anything he's got.
Floyd would pepper him all night at will on route to a Gatti type beatdown. (Maybe not as onesided as the Gatti fight, but it'd be a lopsided victory)
In theory, he has the strength to walk him down all night. But I don't know how much merit that theory holds up.
Because everyone says they're gonna walk down Floyd.
But they never do it.

It's not gratifying moving in on him when every time you try, you're getting nailed.
And even if Floyd probably wouldn't knock KT out, he'd beat down on his confidence all night.
And a hesitant opponent is an easy opponent for Floyd.
He's done it all his career.

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I disagree Mayweather figured out Judah after 4th round Mayweather in rematch wouldn't need to figure Judah out because he already knows strategy to beat him now and would win by late stoppage or easy ud but i do agree Mosley has good chance against Mayweather.

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Oh, totally!
But there's always the element of speed and surprise which you can never count out.
It wasn't just based on Floyd figuring out Judah that broke down, but also through a combination of body shots but mostly through his own will.
Now, I know I'll only fall under ridicule if I start saying, "what if Judah changed and he stays focused for 12 rounds!" so I won't go that route! :P
But his combination of speed and timing and power holds a better chance of taking out Floyd compared to a slow guy who just might be more determined for 12 rounds.
That's the main thing I was trying to get at.

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Agreed with that part ;)

Speed can be beat by timing and Kostya had excellent timing. He always had more trouble with pressure fighters not so much boxers. I like Kotya by close decision but it is a tough outcome to call.

Mayweather would have stopped Tszyu

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

Speed can be beat by timing and Kostya had excellent timing. He always had more trouble with pressure fighters not so much boxers. I like Kotya by close decision but it is a tough outcome to call.

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Excellent post,CC. The counter argument is that Floyd is super boxer,he would not have a lapse like Zab did and at 140,he had the power ot make Kostya pay. It would have been a great great fight. I'd favour lil Floyd but only slightly.

I like Floyd to win this fight rather decisively.

No disrespect to Tszyu, he was a great champ, but he wouldn't have been able to handle Floyd's speed, and Floyd just doesn't leave himself open for big power shots like Zab did.

Floyd would have been a big favorite if this fight happened. Remember, Zab was a 3-1 favorite against Tszyu.

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

Speed can be beat by timing and Kostya had excellent timing. He always had more trouble with pressure fighters not so much boxers. I like Kotya by close decision but it is a tough outcome to call.

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cc I agree.. nice short write-up and to the point.. :beerchug:

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

I like Floyd to win this fight rather decisively.

No disrespect to Tszyu, he was a great champ, but he wouldn't have been able to handle Floyd's speed, and Floyd just doesn't leave himself open for big power shots like Zab did.

Floyd would have been a big favorite if this fight happened. Remember, Zab was a 3-1 favorite against Tszyu.

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you make a good point... I think ring size plays a crucial roll , much like it does in this up coming Delahoya match . I think in a small ring Floyd gets smoked. Mayweather is too feather fisted to get Tszyus respect. Kostya has underrated speed. he would walk Mayweather down and force exchanges in a smaller ring. . however in a larger ring Floyd would prance his way to a UN Dec. just my opinion O0

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Originally Posted by meowza

Judah's style is the style to beat Floyd's. If they were to fight a rematch today, I think Judah would have a stronger chance at beating Floyd than anyone else. (Except maybe Mosley)
And the reason he was able to tag him early a number of times in their fight was because he was able to match Floyd for speed. You need quickness to surprise him with shots he won't see.
So to say because Judah caught Floyd, KT would've caught him too, is crazy
KT doesn't have the necessary speed needed to catch Floyd flush. Sure he's got the power, but Floyd will see and roll anything he's got.
Floyd would pepper him all night at will on route to a Gatti type beatdown. (Maybe not as onesided as the Gatti fight, but it'd be a lopsided victory)
In theory, he has the strength to walk him down all night. But I don't know how much merit that theory holds up.
Because everyone says they're gonna walk down Floyd.
But they never do it.

It's not gratifying moving in on him when every time you try, you're getting nailed.
And even if Floyd probably wouldn't knock KT out, he'd beat down on his confidence all night.
And a hesitant opponent is an easy opponent for Floyd.
He's done it all his career.

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Judah has the style the speed the power, its the mind and the focus to do it that would.

I do agree, but Judah needs to get his head out of his ass sometimes..

But I agree with you :)


Anyway, Mayweather would beat Tszyu fairly easily.

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Originally Posted by Lords Gym

I think in a small ring Floyd gets smoked. Mayweather is too feather fisted to get Tszyus respect.

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at 140, I think Floyd has about as much power as Hatton. I know this has been debated a lot in other threads, and many people disagree with me, but I don't think there's that much difference.

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

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Originally Posted by Lords Gym

I think in a small ring Floyd gets smoked. Mayweather is too feather fisted to get Tszyus respect.

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at 140, I think Floyd has about as much power as Hatton. I know this has been debated a lot in other threads, and many people disagree with me, but I don't think there's that much difference.

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I agree, tell Gatti that Mayweather was feather fisted at 140

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Originally Posted by jbirdy

well obviously it would have been a totally different fight but the way floyd boxed the week after the hatton - tszyu fight (against gatti) may suggest that mayweather would have boxed very cute against tszyu and maybe earned a decision because of his speed advantage. but i dont think he would have put a dent in kostya and i also think that if hatton faught mayweather instead of tszyu on that night he would have smashed him in 2.

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:lolhaha: Thats fwockin hilarious Joe.... but April fools was 21 days ago buddy ;)

Mayweather beats Tszyu easier than Hatton

tszyu dont beat you with speed he beats you with timing and precision. it took mayweather 4 rnds to figuer out judah and couldnt get him out of there.it took tszyu 2 rnds to figuer out judah,and when he did it was all over.but i do think that floyde might have won on points but you never know.remember tszyu has the big eraser and believes he will catch you, its only a matter of time.tszyu destroyed both mitchel and judah before floyde got to them in more impressive fashion.it would have been a heck of a fight.

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Originally Posted by Lords Gym

I think in a small ring Floyd gets smoked. Mayweather is too feather fisted to get Tszyus respect.

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at 140, I think Floyd has about as much power as Hatton. I know this has been debated a lot in other threads, and many people disagree with me, but I don't think there's that much difference.

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possible.. Its just Mayweather does not blanket a guy like Hatton does. different mind set .

its all hypothetical . cc enjoyed your read !

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Originally Posted by MV

tszyu dont beat you with speed he beats you with timing and precision. it took mayweather 4 rnds to figuer out judah and couldnt get him out of there.it took tszyu 2 rnds to figuer out judah,and when he did it was all over.but i do think that floyde might have won on points but you never know.remember tszyu has the big eraser and believes he will catch you, its only a matter of time.tszyu destroyed both mitchel and judah before floyde got to them in more impressive fashion.it would have been a heck of a fight.

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One major factor, Tszyu looks spectacular against Southpaws like Zab and Mitchell. However the right handers like Hatton or even Leija or Urkal gave him a bunch of issues. Mayweather would beat him fairly easy

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

Speed can be beat by timing and Kostya had excellent timing. He always had more trouble with pressure fighters not so much boxers. I like Kotya by close decision but it is a tough outcome to call.

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cc I agree.. nice short write-up and to the point.. :beerchug:

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Thank you sir

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

Speed can be beat by timing and Kostya had excellent timing. He always had more trouble with pressure fighters not so much boxers. I like Kotya by close decision but it is a tough outcome to call.

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Excellent post,CC. The counter argument is that Floyd is super boxer,he would not have a lapse like Zab did and at 140,he had the power ot make Kostya pay. It would have been a great great fight. I'd favour lil Floyd but only slightly.

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:coolclick: back. it would have been a good fight

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Originally Posted by jbirdy

well obviously it would have been a totally different fight but the way floyd boxed the week after the hatton - tszyu fight (against gatti) may suggest that mayweather would have boxed very cute against tszyu and maybe earned a decision because of his speed advantage. but i dont think he would have put a dent in kostya and i also think that if hatton faught mayweather instead of tszyu on that night he would have smashed him in 2.

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:lolhaha: Thats fwockin hilarious Joe.... but April fools was 21 days ago buddy ;)

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damn you all you bunch of cunts ;D i didn't mean in 2 rounds. i meant into two pieces. meaning that he would have been all over him like a rash and basically beaten him up.

This is a fight Hatton stole from me. I was really interested on watching this fight and I was giving real changes to Tsuyz to impose his power and win the fight. But, it is hard to predict since Mayweather probably had learned the leason from Castillo I.

The Tszyu from 1999-2001 injury free and not weight drained would have at some point landed one on PBF and we will never know what would have happened. Judah dropped like a sack of potatoes and he was supposed to be faster and punch holes through Tszyu's swiss cheese defense. It didn't happen.
Styles sometimes bring you undone and Hatton had so many other advantages on that night, PBF v Tszyu in 2005 is a UD for the Pretty Boy, had he fought prime Tszyu PBF might well have ended up in the Colonel's lap at ringside. I still think it is no coincidence that PBF dodged Tszyu just as DLH and Mosley did before him. How would have PBF handled Pryor?

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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

tszyus power is insanely overrated, and judahs is insanely underrated

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Thats bull and you know it. Name a fighter 140 and under with a more powerful right cross than Kostya Tszyu. Before KT got beat by Hatton, (who had the perfect style and gameplan to get a win over Kostya) everyone knew and would have put their houses on Kostya beating PBF, simply because Floyd stands off, anyone who stands of Kostya Tszyu gets knocked the fuck out. If he came back he'd put a cat amongst the pigeons at welterweight. Some people had Kostya Tszyu at #1 P4P and with good reason, and he was top #3 in every single corner of the boxing community, and they all thought ANYONE who gets in there with Kostya would be beaten. Then when an Englishman comes along and wins a very close but obvious would be decision, but makes the champ quit on his damn stool, he's written off, he's a fraud, he's over rated. Enough of the shit. BTW Sal I was at UFC 70 just got in I'm fucking drunk, but make sure you tune in buddy, it was awesome.

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Originally Posted by yoitsdan

Before KT got beat by Hatton, (who had the perfect style and gameplan to get a win over Kostya) everyone knew and would have put their houses on Kostya beating PBF, simply because Floyd stands off, anyone who stands of Kostya Tszyu gets knocked the F*** out.

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That's completely inaccurate. If Floyd had faced Tszyu, he would have been listed as a substantial favorite heading into the fight. Judah was a 3-to-1 favorite over Tszyu. Floyd was more accomplished than Judah, and Tszyu would have been a couple years older. The odds probably would have been closer to 5-to-1 in favor of Floyd.

5-1 I doubt it mate... like han solo said in star wars . " never tell me the odds"