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Could we have a Movies,documentaries and music concert thread or sticky please?
Anyone think this would be good if we archive all the films etc in one place as there loads of cracking films i've posted but they're all over the shop!! I got loads of good documentarys,films and gigs i could share 8)
Like a sort of Media thread i guess and imo would be a good string to the bow and im not aware of any other fight sight that has one 8)
Call it the chill out room :lickish:
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Re: Could we have a Movies,documentaries and music concert thread or sticky please?
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Originally Posted by Smashup
Anyone think this would be good if we archive all the films etc in one place as there loads of cracking films i've posted but they're all over the shop!! I got loads of good documentarys,films and gigs i could share 8)
Like a sort of Media thread i guess and imo would be a good string to the bow and im not aware of any other fight sight that has one 8)
Call it the chill out room :lickish:
I like this idea also. I know I would requent the thread often. Hope it happens. Good idea Smash.
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Re: Could we have a Movies,documentaries and music concert thread or sticky?
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Re: Could we have a Movies,documentaries and music concert thread or sticky plea
These documentaries can be got easily also ;D
100 reasons why evolution is so stupid.
1978 BBC Documentary 'Fear and Loathing in Gonzovision'
1991 - The Year Punk Broke
20/20 Stupid in America
2012 Collection (add more)
30 days as a muslim (Morgan Spurlock doc)
9/11: The Great Illusion (End Game of the Illuminati)
911 the greatest lie ever sold by anthony hilder
911 the greatest lies ever
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A Chink in the Armour
A Cow At My Table
A look into the Future behind the big news
A&E Biography- Jeffery Dahmer
Aerosol Crimes (Chemtrails)
Afghan Massacre: Convoy of Death (2002)
AI : building gods (rough cut)
Aid to Tibet
Aldous Huxley - The gravity of light 1966 - 1hr 7mins
Aleister Crowley - the other loch ness monster
Alex Jones Comprehensive Annual Financial reports exposed
Alien Gods
America: From Freedom To Facism
America:From Freedom to fascism(High Quality link)
American Blackout
American Dictators
American Dictators
An Evening With Howard Marks
An Inconvenient Truth
An Islamic History of Europe(bbc)
Anarchism in America
Ancient Rome - BBC documentaries - (58 mins)
Ancient Warriors of Macedonia
Andy Warhol - Artist Extraordinaire
Andy Warhol (1987)
Ape to Man
Apollo 11 The Untold Story (Discovery - 47 mins)
Apollo 15 in the mountains of the moon
Parallel Universes - BBC
Art Bell interview with Col. Philip Corso - Roswell UFO
ATLLAS: Hood Famous (The Documentary)
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B52 Stratofortress - 45 mins - Discovery Channel
Boeing 747 - Great Planes (DSC)
Boeing B-52 Stratofortress - Great Planes (DSC)
Babylon Mystery: Nebuchadnezzar
Babylon Mystery
Battle for Islam
Battle of the Bogside
BBC - The Lost Gospels
BBC 3/Discovery: Mind, body and kick a** moves
BBC Civilisation: missing numbers
BBC Doc: The Life of Buddha
BBC Rageh Inside Iran (What do we know about Iran?)
BBC Space Odyssey - Voyage to the Planets
BBC What the Ancients did for us : The Islamic World
BBC Worlds Most Powerful - Bill Gates v Steve Jobs
Beyond Human - Heaven's Gate Cult - Classroom Video Session
Big Brother, Big Business
Big Science Savant - Kim Peek
BILL HICKS LAST VIDEO INTERVIEW
Bill Hicks Outlaw Comic
Bodyshock - Born With Two Heads
Bodyshock - Half Ton Man
Bodyshock - Kill Me to Cure Me
Bodyshock - The 80 Year Old Children
Bosnia's Valley of the Pyramids
Bowling for Columbine
Brotherhood of darkness
Building Gods Rough Cut
Burroughs
Bush Family Fortunes:The best democracy money can buy (2004)
Busted - The Citizen's Guide to Surviving Police Encounters
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Cali Lifestyles 1-2
Cant stop eating!
Carl Jung - The wisdom of the dream
Chemtrails: Clouds Of Death
Children of the secret state
Children of the Secret State
Chris Langan - Smartest man in the world
Cinema Europe - 6 part Film History documentary
Classic Albums : Elvis
Climate Change (BBC)
Cocaine Cowboys
Codename Artichoke (DSC)
Cold War
Computer Networks (MIT)
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man part 1 2 and 3
Conspiracy of Silence: Banned National Geographic
Crackheads out of Control
Creation of the Computer - 48 mins
Crimes of Zionism
Cryonics death in the deep freeze
Cyber War (DSC)
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Dark Secrets - Inside The Mind Of A Mafia Hitman
David Attenborough collection (please add more)
David Icke - Secrets of the Matrix
David icke . was he right ?
Dawkins : the virus of faith
Death Of A President
Death of Yugoslavia
Deep Sea UFO's
Depleted Uranium
Desperate Wives - Kay Griggs Interview
Did we really land Men on the Moon?
Disbelief (Moscow attacks)
Discovery Channel Supermassive Black Holes
Dispatches - Supermarket Secret
Dispatches- Cash for peers
Dispatches: Iraq, the Women's Story
Dispatches: Iraq's Missing Billions
Dispatches: Spinning Terror
Dispatches: Stealing Your Freedom
Dispatches: Supermarket Secrets
Dispatches: The Data Theft Scandal
Dispatches: The Killing Zone
Dispatches-Women Only Jihad
Dogfight over Guadalcanal
Do schools today kill creativity? (TEDTalks, Ken Robinson)
Dolphins Are Deep Thinkers
Dope Sick Love
Douglas Adams - Hyperland (1990)
Dr. Michael Parenti: "Terrorism, Globalism and Conspira
Dr. Michael Parenti: Race, Gender and Class Struggle
Dr Money and the Boy with no Penis
Drug Wars
E
Earthlings
East ended : the real story of eastenders
Eat This! (Vegetarian vs. Meat-Eating)
Eddie izzard
Einsteins biggest blunder
End Day(BBC)
Enron Bankruptcy (1hr)
Equinox: It Runs on Water (free energy, 1995)
Everybodys gotta learn (more 911)
Evidence-The case for NASA UFO's
Evolution - Why Sex?
Exploring life extension
Exposed-The Carlyle Group
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From deserts - BBC Nature
Factory Farming Today
Fahrenheit 9/11
Fallujah - The Hidden Massacre
Fastwalkers - UFO and Alien Disclosure
Fastwalkers
Fear and Loathing on the Road to Hollywood
Fela Kuti - Music is the Weapon
Feral Children (Raised by animals)
Fidel The Untold Story
Fight Science
Fractals-Gods fingerprint
Freedom Fuels
Freemasons - U.S conspiracy mini documentary
Frontline Soccer:Palestine vs. Iraq
Frontline: Cyber War
Frontline: History of Credit Cards
Future car:The Fuel
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Game Over
Gaza Strip Documentary
Genetically Modified Food - panacea or poison?
Genghis Khan
Gladio . the real story of global power
Global Warming, what you need to know
Globalisation is Good - Johan Norberg on Globalization
God's Next Army (2006)
Going Tribal-The horse Masters of Mongolia
Google: The Machine
Grow Dutch(Marijuana documentary)
H
Hacking Democracy
HBO Legendary Fights - Mike Tyson vs Lennox Lewis Docu
The Dinosaur that Fooled the World - BBC
Hidden Symbols (Illuminati/Freemasonry/Occult)
High on Crack Street
Hiroshima The story of droping the bomb
Hiroshima
History of final fantasy
History of the iPod (Discovery - 43mins)
History of Video Games (Discovery - 46mins)
History of Video Games
Hitler Speaks
Holy war inc .
Hooked: Illegal Drugs and How They Got That Way
Hooligans: The untold story
How Things work - Collection
Hugo Chavez
Human Computation
HUMAN V.20 (Horizon - 47mins)
Humpback Whales
Hunter S. Thompson : Breakfast with Hunter
Hunter S. Thompson: 1978 BBC Documentary "Fear and Loathing
Hunter ST and keith Richards
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If Drugs Were Legal
Life of Gandhi - (5hrs 10min)
IMAX - Antartica
IMAX - Blue Planet
IMAX - The Dream Is Alive
Ibiza, Drugland
Incarcerated Scarfaces
Incident at Loch Ness
Injection (health care)
Inside NORAD - Cheyenne Mountain (Nat Geo - 43mins)
Interview with Bob Marley
Invisibly Visible
Iraq for Sale: The War Profiteers (2006)
Iraq: A hidden story
Iraq: The Death Squads
Iraq: The Hidden Story
Islam: Empire of Faith
Israel/Palestine
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Jack Here- Emperor of Hemp
Jack The Ripper BIO
Japan's mysterious pyramids
Jehovah's Witnesses Exposed (watchtower society)
Jesus Camp - 1 click
Jet Li Presents Shaolin Kung Fu(Documentary)
JFK II: The Bush Connection
Jihad TV (2006)
Jimi Hendrix & Band of Gypsys
John Pilger- Cambodia-The Betrayal
John Pilger- Cambodia-Year Zero
john Pilger- death of a Nation
John Pilger- Palestine is still the issue
John Pilger-Breaking the Mirror(The Murdoch Effect)
John Pilger-Flying the Flag(Arming the World)
John Pilger-Inside Burma,land of fear
John Pilger-The New Rulers of The World
John Pilger-War by Other Means
Journalists under Fire: 'Nam and 'Raq
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Keep off the Grass (1969)
Khubilai Khan-fall of the Mongol Hordes
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Lab movie of a postmortem autopsy
Lenny Bruce! - Swear to tell the Truth (comedy docu, A+)
License To Kill
Life in The Undergrowth
Life in The Undergrowth
Life on Earth - 12 part documentary (BBC)
London_on_the_trail_of_jack_the_ripper
Loose Change 2nd Edition
Lost Secrets of the Sacred Ark
Louis and the Black Supremacists - BBC
Louis and the Nazis - BBC
LSD - The Beyond Within
LTJ Bukem Documentary (Drum 'n Bass DJ)
Ludicrous Diversion 7/7 London Bombings
Lysergic acid diethylamide
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MAHATMA - Life of Gandhi, (5hrs 10min)
Magic Weed - History of Marijuana
Magical Egypt
Making Millions the Easy Way
Manga Mania
Manufacturing Consent:Naom Chomsky and the media
March of the Penguins
Matrix Of Evil - Alex Jones
McLibel - Two People Who Wouldn't Say Sorry
Meet Your Meat
Megadeth behind the music
Mike Vs Tyson
Million Dollar Motors - Extreme Machines (DSC)
Militainment Inc.
Mind Altering Drugs
Mission to Africa
Mind the Gap
Mindshock - Sex On The Brain
Mindshock - Sleepwalk Terrors
Mindshock - Transplanting Memories?
Mindshock: Transplanting Memories
Mission Accomplished (Iraq)
MK Ultra Mind Control - Cathy O'Brien
Monsters Of The Universe - NOVA (Black Holes)
Most current up date for North Korea report by BBC
Most of our Universe is Missing
MotoAfryka2005 - english subtitles
Mr Death
Myths & Logic of Shaolin Kung-Fu
N
Nanotopia
NASA - Hubble view of the universe
NASA Connect - Ancient Observatories: Timeless Knowledge
National Geographic - 21 Days to Baghdad (2003)
National Geographic - The Worlds Most Dangerous Drug - METH
National Geographic: Fight Science
Navy Seals Training
Nazis: The Occult Conspiracy
Near Death Experience
New Orleans: Big Easy To Big Empty
New York City Hackers
NG: The worlds most dangerous gangs: Mara Salvatrucha MS-13
Nicaragua (John Pilger)
Nice guys finish first - Richard Dawkins
Nutricide: Criminalizing Natural Health, Vitamins, and Herbs
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ObscuredTV
Oklahoma City: What Really Happened?
On Piracy, Radio & Walmarts (2006)
On Piracy
On the Edge of Blade Runner
One Inch Punch Documentary
Operation Hollywood
Orwell rolls in his grave
Our Brand is Crisis
Our Friend Saddam
OutFOXed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism
Outlaw Comic: The Censoring of Bill Hicks
Owning the weather
Ozzy Osbourne Dont Blame Me - The Tales Of Ozzy Osbourne
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Pallywood: "According to Palestinian Sources"
Panama Deception
Paradise Found
Parkour. Jump Britain
PBS Frontline: Dozens of High Quality Doccumentaries
Peace, Propaganda & The Promised Land
Pete Doherty Arena Documentary (Nov. 12th 2006)
Peter Jennings - Ecstasy Rising
Pink Floyd - The Making of Dark Side of the Moon
Planet Earth
Prescription for Disaster - (1hr 32mins)
Prisoners of Katrina (2006)
Protocols of the elders of Zion
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QSS
R
Race to Zero Point
Race
Recycled Lives
Reefer Madness
Reign of the Fallen 2005
Reincarnation = Fact of Fiction?
Richest People Of The Middle East (DSC)
Ross Kemp on gangs
Ross Kemp x 4 Gangland Documentaries (updated)
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Samurai
SAS - Special Air Service - episodes 1, 3 & 5
Satanism & the CIA - Ted Gunderson
Scientology and the clearwater police
Scratch (turntablism documentary)
Search for Alien Planets
Secret Space
Secrets Of The Freemasons
Secrets of the Mayan Calendar
Sex Crimes and the Vatican
Shamans of the Amazon-Ayahuasca documentary
Shaolin one(another kung fu documentary)
Sigmund Freud:Analysis of a mind
Skinhead Attitude
Skull and Bones (1hr 10 mins)
Slavery - A Global Investigation (1hr 18mins)
Soviet Afghan war
Space - a 6 part BBC Documentary
Spinning Terror
SporeIt
Steal this film
Steal this Film
Stealing a Nation (2004)
Stoned in suburbia
Stupidity
Style Wars (1983)
Sumerian origin of humans
Supermassive Blackholes (BBC)
Surplus Consumerism
Sweet Misery:Aspartame Documentary
Startup.com
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Terence McKenna Documentaries
Terror Storm (Alex Jones) Excellent Revealing Documentary
Terrorists, Killers And Middle East Wackos
Tesla - The Genius Who Lit The World
Tetris - From Russia With Love
The Amityville Horror(The Killer)
The Art of Flight (2005)
The Bermuda Triangle (BBC)
The Blind & The Dead (crazy evangenical christians)
The Bloody History Of Communism
The Brickyard: Home of All the Junkies
The Cannabis Years (BBC)
The Case for Antigravity
The Case For Impeachment
The Century Of The Self
The Code Linux
The Control Room
The Corporation(Filmmakers official download edition)
The Corporation
The Cu Chi tunnels
The Cult of the Suicide Bomber
The Day Britain Stopped
The Death Star (43 mins)
The Decline Of Western Civilization
The doomsday code
The elegant universe part 1 - 3
The End of Suburbia: Oil Depletion and the Collapse of...
The Fluoride Deception
The Future of Mankind (2012) Michael Tsarion
The Future of Food
The Game-Documentary
The Genius Sperm Bank - BBC
The God Delusion
The Great Year - (46mins)
The Ground Truth
The Guantanamo Guidebook (torture methods)
The Hemp Revolution
The History of hackers (Discovery Channel) 50 minutes.
The History Of Hacking
The Illuminati (Volumes 1 & 2)
The Illuminati 1 - The Hidden Rulers of the World
The Journey of Man
The Kursk, A Submarine in Troubled Waters (2004)
The Larry Davis Story - A Routine typical Hit
The Legend of Atlantis
The Lightbringers (Freemasonry)
The Lizards & The Jews (David Icke)
The lost gospels
The Man With 80 wives
The Man With 80 Wives
The Many Faces of Lee Harvey Oswald
The Money Trap - How Banks Lure You Into Debt (39mins)
The Money Trap
The Mysterious Origins of Man
The Naked Truth
The Occult Experience (1987)
The Oil Factor: Behind the War on Terror
The Order Of Death (Bohemian Grove)
The Origins of AIDS
The Pharmacratic Inquisition
The power of nightmares
The Police State - 4 Documentaries
The private life of plants
The Punk Rock movie (1978)
The REAL Face of The European Union
The Real Da Vinci Code
The richest people of the middle east - 45 mins
The Rise of China on the World Stage
The Rise of The Politics of Fear
The Secret Evil Of 9/11
The Secret Life of Brian (Monty Python doc)
The Secret Underground Lectures of Commander X
The secrets of the cia . 2hrs
The Stanford prison experiment - Psychology of Imprisonment
The Story of 1
The Story of Enzo Ferrari
The Ten Deadliest Snakes in the World
The Trials of Henry Kissinger
The Trouble with Atheism (C4 - 47mins)
The True Story of Blackhawk Down
The Truth About Medical Marijuana
The Uniqueness of the Human Brain
The Velvet Underground - History
The Verichip - Human Implantable Microchip
The Virus of Faith
The War Behind Closed Doors
The War on Science
The War Tapes
The woman who thinks like a cow
The Worlds first Time Machine
The World's First Time Machine - BBC
The world's strangest ufo stories
The Yes Men - (1hr 22mins)
This is Coffee
This is what Democracy looks like
Thug Angle: Tupac
THUNDERBOLTS OF THE GODS
Tibet - Lost Civilisations
Tibet The Story Of A Tragedy
Tom Waits - A Day in Vienna (+)
Total Enslavement
Truth 9/11
Tsarion: the destruction of atlantis
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UFO files- Black box UFO secrets
UFO: Secrets of the 3rd Reich
UFO-Top secret military and government witnesses speak
Uncle Saddam (2000)
Unconstitutional War on Civil Liberties (2004)
Uncovered-The whole Truth about the Iraq War
Underground Bases & Greys - Phil Schneider
Unembedded: Independent Photographers in Iraq
Unprecedented - The 2000 Presidential Election
Unreported World: Brazil Slum Warfare
Us Skinheads
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Vaccination: The Hidden Truth
Vatican Assassins
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Waco: The Rules of Engagement
Walking With Cavemen
Wal-Mart - The High Cost of Low Prices
War against the Third World
AWar On Science (Intelligent Design and Dover)
Warrior Empire:The Mughals
We Interrupt This Empire
Warriors of the French Foreign Legion
Weapons Of Mass Deception
Welcome To Deathrow Special (Full)
Welcome To North Korea
What Is Fascism?
What The Bleep Do We Know
What the Bleep Do We Know 2
Where mind and matter meets - Bruce Lipton
Who Controls our Children? (PE dumbing down our youths)
Who Controls The World?
Who Killed John O' Neill (9/11)
Who killed the electric car?
Who Killed the Electric Car
Who The F is Pete Doherty
Who wrote the Bible?
Why are we here?
Why politicians can't tell the truth
Why We Fight
Wild Weather - Wind
Will Israel Bomb Iran?
Wiring the world - 1hr 2mins
World's Scariest Ghosts: Caught on Tape
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Re: Could we have a Movies,documentaries and music concert thread or sticky please?
1991 The Year Punk Broke???
What the hell was I listening to all through the 80s?
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Re: Could we have a Movies,documentaries and music concert thread or sticky plea
:D ;D hahaha
Could mean 1 of 2 things ;)
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Re: Could we have a Movies,documentaries and music concert thread or sticky please?
Smash as soon as I get the time I will attempt to merge all the topics you've posted into 1 thread. ;)
About the sticky we do have one in the File Sharing Board so maybe I can move it the one thread I will merge there and merge it there????
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Smash as soon as I get the time I will attempt to merge all the topics you've posted into 1 thread. ;)
About the sticky we do have one in the File Sharing Board so maybe I can move it the one thread I will merge there and merge it there????
Sounds good fella and to be honest that may be the safest place as i'm not to flash on the legality side of all this sort of stuff ;)
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Re: Could we have a Movies,documentaries and music concert thread or sticky plea
Great links.
I'm watching 100 reasons why evolution is so stupid right now.
Good stuff, very interesting Punisher would like this............
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It won't work for me ::**
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Re: Could we have a Movies,documentaries and music concert thread or sticky please?
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Smash as soon as I get the time I will attempt to merge all the topics you've posted into 1 thread. ;)
About the sticky we do have one in the File Sharing Board so maybe I can move it the one thread I will merge there and merge it there????
good stuff Cutme and smash CC's ;)
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Re: Could we have a Movies,documentaries and music concert thread or sticky plea
Well I just finished watching the 100 reasons why evolution is stupid seminar. As some might remember I've always been a strong advocate that evolution is utter bollocks anyhow and this seminar confirmed that.
It's really interesting though and well worth watching although it is 2 hours long!
What really saddened me though was that after watching the video and seeing how passionate the host Kent Hovind seemed about his work and how sincere, I googled him to see what else he has done.
To my shock I see that earlier this year he was sentenced to 10 years in jail for assault and battery, falsely declaring bankruptcy, making threats against federal officials, filing false complaints, failing to get necessary building permits, and various tax-related charges! :o
This really upsets me to be honest. I mean a regular scientist who turns out to be a crook is no big deal but a guy like this who has such a worldy responsibility to let down his family, church, community and I guess his God is just really disheartening to me.
It just makes me feel at least like everybody on the planet is just out for them selves, selfish and greedy and that you can't trust anyone.
Got me a bit depressed to be honest.
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
Well I just finished watching the 100 reasons why evolution is stupid seminar. As some might remember I've always been a strong advocate that evolution is utter bollocks anyhow and this seminar confirmed that.
It's really interesting though and well worth watching although it is 2 hours long!
What really saddened me though was that after watching the video and seeing how passionate the host Kent Hovind seemed about his work and how sincere, I googled him to see what else he has done.
To my shock I see that earlier this year he was sentenced to 10 years in jail for assault and battery, falsely declaring bankruptcy, making threats against federal officials, filing false complaints, failing to get necessary building permits, and various tax-related charges! :o
This really upsets me to be honest. I mean a regular scientist who turns out to be a crook is no big deal but a guy like this who has such a worldy responsibility to let down his family, church, community and I guess his God is just really disheartening to me.
It just makes me feel at least like everybody on the planet is just out for them selves, selfish and greedy and that you can't trust anyone.
Got me a bit depressed to be honest.
Sounds like a credible witness to me ::** :P
Bilbo you have to accept that evolution occured on atleast some level. If evolution was "stupid" the cold virus would've died out millions of years ago but guess what its still here because it .... wait for it.... wait for it.... EVOLVES immunity to antibiotics (and medicines that are used to treat viruses since antibiotics do not treat viruses) that WE developed. Now if evolution was completely impossible and illogical, how would these viruses and bacteria (that were here long before us) be able to adapt to stuff that we have made over the past 50 years? Is there a cult meeting once every week where all the viruses meet together and their pope tells them how to adapt to medicines? ;D
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Re: Could we have a Movies,documentaries and music concert thread or sticky plea
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
Well I just finished watching the 100 reasons why evolution is stupid seminar. As some might remember I've always been a strong advocate that evolution is utter bollocks anyhow and this seminar confirmed that.
It's really interesting though and well worth watching although it is 2 hours long!
What really saddened me though was that after watching the video and seeing how passionate the host Kent Hovind seemed about his work and how sincere, I googled him to see what else he has done.
To my shock I see that earlier this year he was sentenced to 10 years in jail for assault and battery, falsely declaring bankruptcy, making threats against federal officials, filing false complaints, failing to get necessary building permits, and various tax-related charges! :o
This really upsets me to be honest. I mean a regular scientist who turns out to be a crook is no big deal but a guy like this who has such a worldy responsibility to let down his family, church, community and I guess his God is just really disheartening to me.
It just makes me feel at least like everybody on the planet is just out for them selves, selfish and greedy and that you can't trust anyone.
Got me a bit depressed to be honest.
Sounds like a credible witness to me ::** :P
Bilbo you have to accept that evolution occured on atleast some level. If evolution was "stupid" the cold virus would've died out millions of years ago but guess what its still here because it .... wait for it.... wait for it.... EVOLVES immunity to antibiotics (and medicines that are used to treat viruses since antibiotics do not treat viruses) that WE developed. Now if evolution was completely impossible and illogical, how would these viruses and bacteria (that were here long before us) be able to adapt to stuff that we have made over the past 50 years? Is there a cult meeting once every week where all the viruses meet together and their pope tells them how to adapt to medicines? ;D
Yes certainly I believe in adaptation or natural selection if you want to call it that but not evolution on a macro scale. I've never found a single piece of evidence that supports macro evolution I just don't see how it can happen.
The trouble is scientists have managed to convince people that natural selection and macro evolution are the same thing and that therefore proofs of natural selection are proof for evolution and this is just completely and utterly untrue.
Nobody doubts that organisms can adapt and change but ONLY according to the DNA asnd genetic information that is already present within them.
I look at it this way. If you are playing a computer game or using a piece of software there may be options within that game to alter details to your requirments, different resolutions, varying amounts of graphical details, EAX enabled sound, difficulty leves, inverted mouse option, etc. All of these options can make your version of the game run slightly different to somebody elses version of the game. Cheat codes can change things even more.
However none of these changes can possibly result in new game content that wasn't there before and your game won't become a different game. The only way for that to happen would be for new information, in the way of downloadable content from the game developers or the modding community that you could then add to the game to add new information that wasn't there before.
Genetic life is much the same. The preexisting DNA code can be manipulated by natural selection to tailor an organism specifically to its enviroment. However the only way it could ever turn into something else would be for new information to be added to its DNA.
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Re: Could we have a Movies,documentaries and music concert thread or sticky plea
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
Well I just finished watching the 100 reasons why evolution is stupid seminar. As some might remember I've always been a strong advocate that evolution is utter bollocks anyhow and this seminar confirmed that.
It's really interesting though and well worth watching although it is 2 hours long!
What really saddened me though was that after watching the video and seeing how passionate the host Kent Hovind seemed about his work and how sincere, I googled him to see what else he has done.
To my shock I see that earlier this year he was sentenced to 10 years in jail for assault and battery, falsely declaring bankruptcy, making threats against federal officials, filing false complaints, failing to get necessary building permits, and various tax-related charges! :o
This really upsets me to be honest. I mean a regular scientist who turns out to be a crook is no big deal but a guy like this who has such a worldy responsibility to let down his family, church, community and I guess his God is just really disheartening to me.
It just makes me feel at least like everybody on the planet is just out for them selves, selfish and greedy and that you can't trust anyone.
Got me a bit depressed to be honest.
Sounds like a credible witness to me ::** :P
Bilbo you have to accept that evolution occured on atleast some level. If evolution was "stupid" the cold virus would've died out millions of years ago but guess what its still here because it .... wait for it.... wait for it.... EVOLVES immunity to antibiotics (and medicines that are used to treat viruses since antibiotics do not treat viruses) that WE developed. Now if evolution was completely impossible and illogical, how would these viruses and bacteria (that were here long before us) be able to adapt to stuff that we have made over the past 50 years? Is there a cult meeting once every week where all the viruses meet together and their pope tells them how to adapt to medicines? ;D
Yes certainly I believe in adaptation or natural selection if you want to call it that but not evolution on a macro scale. I've never found a single piece of evidence that supports macro evolution I just don't see how it can happen.
The trouble is scientists have managed to convince people that natural selection and macro evolution are the same thing and that therefore proofs of natural selection are proof for evolution and this is just completely and utterly untrue.
Nobody doubts that organisms can adapt and change but ONLY according to the DNA asnd genetic information that is already present within them.
I look at it this way. If you are playing a computer game or using a piece of software there may be options within that game to alter details to your requirments, different resolutions, varying amounts of graphical details, EAX enabled sound, difficulty leves, inverted mouse option, etc. All of these options can make your version of the game run slightly different to somebody elses version of the game. Cheat codes can change things even more.
However none of these changes can possibly result in new game content that wasn't there before and your game won't become a different game. The only way for that to happen would be for new information, in the way of downloadable content from the game developers or the modding community that you could then add to the game to add new information that wasn't there before.
Genetic life is much the same. The preexisting DNA code can be manipulated by natural selection to tailor an organism specifically to its enviroment. However the only way it could ever turn into something else would be for new information to be added to its DNA.
Bilbo here's the thing that makes it difficult to understand, it takes place over an unbelievably long period of time. We share 98% of our genetic material with chimps (over millions of years a 2% difference wouldn't be hard to change) and we possess parts of reptile brains within our own.
Comparing games to animals is a close but inaccurate comparison. Dna is changeable over long periods of time while a game is not. They've found fossils of a bird that was very reptilian suggesting it was the next phase after the dinosaurs just like they've found (so i heard but cannot confirm 100% right now) fossils of an amphibian making the shift to reptiles. Not all of a species will evolve. Some monkeys have stayed monkeys while others slowly became more intelligent but less powerful. This isn't natural selection or adaption because the chimps are still alive. There's several species of chimps and other animals. While most of their dna is the same among animals of the same type (monkeys, fish, etc.) there's been slight alterations to allow the emrgency of different species. I can see how picturing an ameoba becoming a human over any course of time is hard to believe because there are many different types of animals and bacteria around today but i'm sure all forms of life started out as the same thing. The change itself took place over an unbelievablly long amount of time.
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Well I just finished watching the 100 reasons why evolution is stupid seminar. As some might remember I've always been a strong advocate that evolution is utter bollocks anyhow and this seminar confirmed that.
It's really interesting though and well worth watching although it is 2 hours long!
What really saddened me though was that after watching the video and seeing how passionate the host Kent Hovind seemed about his work and how sincere, I googled him to see what else he has done.
To my shock I see that earlier this year he was sentenced to 10 years in jail for assault and battery, falsely declaring bankruptcy, making threats against federal officials, filing false complaints, failing to get necessary building permits, and various tax-related charges! :o
This really upsets me to be honest. I mean a regular scientist who turns out to be a crook is no big deal but a guy like this who has such a worldy responsibility to let down his family, church, community and I guess his God is just really disheartening to me.
It just makes me feel at least like everybody on the planet is just out for them selves, selfish and greedy and that you can't trust anyone.
Got me a bit depressed to be honest.
Sounds like a credible witness to me ::** :P
Bilbo you have to accept that evolution occured on atleast some level. If evolution was "stupid" the cold virus would've died out millions of years ago but guess what its still here because it .... wait for it.... wait for it.... EVOLVES immunity to antibiotics (and medicines that are used to treat viruses since antibiotics do not treat viruses) that WE developed. Now if evolution was completely impossible and illogical, how would these viruses and bacteria (that were here long before us) be able to adapt to stuff that we have made over the past 50 years? Is there a cult meeting once every week where all the viruses meet together and their pope tells them how to adapt to medicines? ;D
Yes certainly I believe in adaptation or natural selection if you want to call it that but not evolution on a macro scale. I've never found a single piece of evidence that supports macro evolution I just don't see how it can happen.
The trouble is scientists have managed to convince people that natural selection and macro evolution are the same thing and that therefore proofs of natural selection are proof for evolution and this is just completely and utterly untrue.
Nobody doubts that organisms can adapt and change but ONLY according to the DNA asnd genetic information that is already present within them.
I look at it this way. If you are playing a computer game or using a piece of software there may be options within that game to alter details to your requirments, different resolutions, varying amounts of graphical details, EAX enabled sound, difficulty leves, inverted mouse option, etc. All of these options can make your version of the game run slightly different to somebody elses version of the game. Cheat codes can change things even more.
However none of these changes can possibly result in new game content that wasn't there before and your game won't become a different game. The only way for that to happen would be for new information, in the way of downloadable content from the game developers or the modding community that you could then add to the game to add new information that wasn't there before.
Genetic life is much the same. The preexisting DNA code can be manipulated by natural selection to tailor an organism specifically to its enviroment. However the only way it could ever turn into something else would be for new information to be added to its DNA.
Bilbo here's the thing that makes it difficult to understand, it takes place over an unbelievably long period of time. We share 98% of our genetic material with chimps (over millions of years a 2% difference wouldn't be hard to change) and we possess parts of reptile brains within our own.
Comparing games to animals is a close but inaccurate comparison. Dna is changeable over long periods of time while a game is not. They've found fossils of a bird that was very reptilian suggesting it was the next phase after the dinosaurs just like they've found (so i heard but cannot confirm 100% right now) fossils of an amphibian making the shift to reptiles. Not all of a species will evolve. Some monkeys have stayed monkeys while others slowly became more intelligent but less powerful. This isn't natural selection or adaption because the chimps are still alive. There's several species of chimps and other animals. While most of their dna is the same among animals of the same type (monkeys, fish, etc.) there's been slight alterations to allow the emrgency of different species. I can see how picturing an ameoba becoming a human over any course of time is hard to believe because there are many different types of animals and bacteria around today but i'm sure all forms of life started out as the same thing. The change itself took place over an unbelievablly long amount of time.
Hey punisher. Your reponse though clearly shows that you have only a rudimentary graps of the 'science' of evolution. I'm not saying that to criticise you but when you think that the Archaeopteryx (dino-bird) presents evidence for evolution it shows you havn't studied the debates.
The Archaeopteryx has long since been removed from scientific debate as a missing link between birds and reptiles. Not only was it 100% bird but it also arrives on the scene (according to the scientific estimates) 70 million years AFTER the first birds appear in the fossil record.
Since they they have discovered Archeoraptor which garnered much attention including a front cover on National Geographic magazine. This fossil was proven to be a forgery a year later amidst much embarrasment within the scientific community.
To be honest anyone who believes that the fossil record supports evolution clearly has no idea about the subject.
The evolustionists themselves are in constant debate amongst themselves to explain why the fossil record provides NO evidence for evolution just check out Wikipedia for details http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuated_equilibrium
All of the 'evidences' for evolution within popular culture have all been thrown out by the scientists themselves yet we hear all the time on the television how the fossil record supports evolution etc. This is just not true. Don't take my word for it, just go and buy a book on evolution and you'll find that there is virtually no evidence whatsoever.
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Well I just finished watching the 100 reasons why evolution is stupid seminar. As some might remember I've always been a strong advocate that evolution is utter bollocks anyhow and this seminar confirmed that.
It's really interesting though and well worth watching although it is 2 hours long!
What really saddened me though was that after watching the video and seeing how passionate the host Kent Hovind seemed about his work and how sincere, I googled him to see what else he has done.
To my shock I see that earlier this year he was sentenced to 10 years in jail for assault and battery, falsely declaring bankruptcy, making threats against federal officials, filing false complaints, failing to get necessary building permits, and various tax-related charges! :o
This really upsets me to be honest. I mean a regular scientist who turns out to be a crook is no big deal but a guy like this who has such a worldy responsibility to let down his family, church, community and I guess his God is just really disheartening to me.
It just makes me feel at least like everybody on the planet is just out for them selves, selfish and greedy and that you can't trust anyone.
Got me a bit depressed to be honest.
Sounds like a credible witness to me ::** :P
Bilbo you have to accept that evolution occured on atleast some level. If evolution was "stupid" the cold virus would've died out millions of years ago but guess what its still here because it .... wait for it.... wait for it.... EVOLVES immunity to antibiotics (and medicines that are used to treat viruses since antibiotics do not treat viruses) that WE developed. Now if evolution was completely impossible and illogical, how would these viruses and bacteria (that were here long before us) be able to adapt to stuff that we have made over the past 50 years? Is there a cult meeting once every week where all the viruses meet together and their pope tells them how to adapt to medicines? ;D
Yes certainly I believe in adaptation or natural selection if you want to call it that but not evolution on a macro scale. I've never found a single piece of evidence that supports macro evolution I just don't see how it can happen.
The trouble is scientists have managed to convince people that natural selection and macro evolution are the same thing and that therefore proofs of natural selection are proof for evolution and this is just completely and utterly untrue.
Nobody doubts that organisms can adapt and change but ONLY according to the DNA asnd genetic information that is already present within them.
I look at it this way. If you are playing a computer game or using a piece of software there may be options within that game to alter details to your requirments, different resolutions, varying amounts of graphical details, EAX enabled sound, difficulty leves, inverted mouse option, etc. All of these options can make your version of the game run slightly different to somebody elses version of the game. Cheat codes can change things even more.
However none of these changes can possibly result in new game content that wasn't there before and your game won't become a different game. The only way for that to happen would be for new information, in the way of downloadable content from the game developers or the modding community that you could then add to the game to add new information that wasn't there before.
Genetic life is much the same. The preexisting DNA code can be manipulated by natural selection to tailor an organism specifically to its enviroment. However the only way it could ever turn into something else would be for new information to be added to its DNA.
Bilbo here's the thing that makes it difficult to understand, it takes place over an unbelievably long period of time. We share 98% of our genetic material with chimps (over millions of years a 2% difference wouldn't be hard to change) and we possess parts of reptile brains within our own.
Comparing games to animals is a close but inaccurate comparison. Dna is changeable over long periods of time while a game is not. They've found fossils of a bird that was very reptilian suggesting it was the next phase after the dinosaurs just like they've found (so i heard but cannot confirm 100% right now) fossils of an amphibian making the shift to reptiles. Not all of a species will evolve. Some monkeys have stayed monkeys while others slowly became more intelligent but less powerful. This isn't natural selection or adaption because the chimps are still alive. There's several species of chimps and other animals. While most of their dna is the same among animals of the same type (monkeys, fish, etc.) there's been slight alterations to allow the emrgency of different species. I can see how picturing an ameoba becoming a human over any course of time is hard to believe because there are many different types of animals and bacteria around today but i'm sure all forms of life started out as the same thing. The change itself took place over an unbelievablly long amount of time.
Hey punisher. Your reponse though clearly shows that you have only a rudimentary graps of the 'science' of evolution. I'm not saying that to criticise you but when you think that the Archaeopteryx (dino-bird) presents evidence for evolution it shows you havn't studied the debates.
The Archaeopteryx has long since been removed from scientific debate as a missing link between birds and reptiles. Not only was it 100% bird but it also arrives on the scene (according to the scientific estimates) 70 million years AFTER the first birds appear in the fossil record.
Since they they have discovered Archeoraptor which garnered much attention including a front cover on National Geographic magazine. This fossil was proven to be a forgery a year later amidst much embarrasment within the scientific community.
To be honest anyone who believes that the fossil record supports evolution clearly has no idea about the subject.
The evolustionists themselves are in constant debate amongst themselves to explain why the fossil record provides NO evidence for evolution just check out Wikipedia for details
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuated_equilibrium
All of the 'evidences' for evolution within popular culture have all been thrown out by the scientists themselves yet we hear all the time on the television how the fossil record supports evolution etc. This is just not true. Don't take my word for it, just go and buy a book on evolution and you'll find that there is virtually no evidence whatsoever.
I'm assuming you believe 100% in intelligent design then. Here's the problem with that: Regardless of wether there's an all knowing being out there who set this thing in motion or not, you can't just introduce various species into a living environment, you have to have a gradual build up. "Giving life" to several thousand animals out of thin air would have a very negative effect towards the physics of a world already set in motion.
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Well I just finished watching the 100 reasons why evolution is stupid seminar. As some might remember I've always been a strong advocate that evolution is utter bollocks anyhow and this seminar confirmed that.
It's really interesting though and well worth watching although it is 2 hours long!
What really saddened me though was that after watching the video and seeing how passionate the host Kent Hovind seemed about his work and how sincere, I googled him to see what else he has done.
To my shock I see that earlier this year he was sentenced to 10 years in jail for assault and battery, falsely declaring bankruptcy, making threats against federal officials, filing false complaints, failing to get necessary building permits, and various tax-related charges! :o
This really upsets me to be honest. I mean a regular scientist who turns out to be a crook is no big deal but a guy like this who has such a worldy responsibility to let down his family, church, community and I guess his God is just really disheartening to me.
It just makes me feel at least like everybody on the planet is just out for them selves, selfish and greedy and that you can't trust anyone.
Got me a bit depressed to be honest.
Sounds like a credible witness to me ::** :P
Bilbo you have to accept that evolution occured on atleast some level. If evolution was "stupid" the cold virus would've died out millions of years ago but guess what its still here because it .... wait for it.... wait for it.... EVOLVES immunity to antibiotics (and medicines that are used to treat viruses since antibiotics do not treat viruses) that WE developed. Now if evolution was completely impossible and illogical, how would these viruses and bacteria (that were here long before us) be able to adapt to stuff that we have made over the past 50 years? Is there a cult meeting once every week where all the viruses meet together and their pope tells them how to adapt to medicines? ;D
Yes certainly I believe in adaptation or natural selection if you want to call it that but not evolution on a macro scale. I've never found a single piece of evidence that supports macro evolution I just don't see how it can happen.
The trouble is scientists have managed to convince people that natural selection and macro evolution are the same thing and that therefore proofs of natural selection are proof for evolution and this is just completely and utterly untrue.
Nobody doubts that organisms can adapt and change but ONLY according to the DNA asnd genetic information that is already present within them.
I look at it this way. If you are playing a computer game or using a piece of software there may be options within that game to alter details to your requirments, different resolutions, varying amounts of graphical details, EAX enabled sound, difficulty leves, inverted mouse option, etc. All of these options can make your version of the game run slightly different to somebody elses version of the game. Cheat codes can change things even more.
However none of these changes can possibly result in new game content that wasn't there before and your game won't become a different game. The only way for that to happen would be for new information, in the way of downloadable content from the game developers or the modding community that you could then add to the game to add new information that wasn't there before.
Genetic life is much the same. The preexisting DNA code can be manipulated by natural selection to tailor an organism specifically to its enviroment. However the only way it could ever turn into something else would be for new information to be added to its DNA.
Bilbo here's the thing that makes it difficult to understand, it takes place over an unbelievably long period of time. We share 98% of our genetic material with chimps (over millions of years a 2% difference wouldn't be hard to change) and we possess parts of reptile brains within our own.
Comparing games to animals is a close but inaccurate comparison. Dna is changeable over long periods of time while a game is not. They've found fossils of a bird that was very reptilian suggesting it was the next phase after the dinosaurs just like they've found (so i heard but cannot confirm 100% right now) fossils of an amphibian making the shift to reptiles. Not all of a species will evolve. Some monkeys have stayed monkeys while others slowly became more intelligent but less powerful. This isn't natural selection or adaption because the chimps are still alive. There's several species of chimps and other animals. While most of their dna is the same among animals of the same type (monkeys, fish, etc.) there's been slight alterations to allow the emrgency of different species. I can see how picturing an ameoba becoming a human over any course of time is hard to believe because there are many different types of animals and bacteria around today but i'm sure all forms of life started out as the same thing. The change itself took place over an unbelievablly long amount of time.
Hey punisher. Your reponse though clearly shows that you have only a rudimentary graps of the 'science' of evolution. I'm not saying that to criticise you but when you think that the Archaeopteryx (dino-bird) presents evidence for evolution it shows you havn't studied the debates.
The Archaeopteryx has long since been removed from scientific debate as a missing link between birds and reptiles. Not only was it 100% bird but it also arrives on the scene (according to the scientific estimates) 70 million years AFTER the first birds appear in the fossil record.
Since they they have discovered Archeoraptor which garnered much attention including a front cover on National Geographic magazine. This fossil was proven to be a forgery a year later amidst much embarrasment within the scientific community.
To be honest anyone who believes that the fossil record supports evolution clearly has no idea about the subject.
The evolustionists themselves are in constant debate amongst themselves to explain why the fossil record provides NO evidence for evolution just check out Wikipedia for details
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuated_equilibrium
All of the 'evidences' for evolution within popular culture have all been thrown out by the scientists themselves yet we hear all the time on the television how the fossil record supports evolution etc. This is just not true. Don't take my word for it, just go and buy a book on evolution and you'll find that there is virtually no evidence whatsoever.
I'm assuming you believe 100% in intelligent design then. Here's the problem with that: Regardless of wether there's an all knowing being out there who set this thing in motion or not, you can't just introduce various species into a living environment, you have to have a gradual build up. "Giving life" to several thousand animals out of thin air would have a very negative effect towards the physics of a world already set in motion.
Not at all, I actually see it the other way around. Look at the nature of symbiosis there are millions of plants and animals that depend upon each to live and cannot even go 1 season without each other. The odds of them all 'evolving' at the exact same time are just beyond the realms of plausability.
What you are saying though makes no sense. If that were true such human designs such as gardens, exotic fish tanks and aquariums and other eco systems could not be created as they would have to gradually add organisms over time for the system to survive.
But they don't and anyone can go out buy a bunch of different plants and seeds and design a garden how they want it, or build an exotic fish aquarium and populate it instantly with all manner of different fish.
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Well I just finished watching the 100 reasons why evolution is stupid seminar. As some might remember I've always been a strong advocate that evolution is utter bollocks anyhow and this seminar confirmed that.
It's really interesting though and well worth watching although it is 2 hours long!
What really saddened me though was that after watching the video and seeing how passionate the host Kent Hovind seemed about his work and how sincere, I googled him to see what else he has done.
To my shock I see that earlier this year he was sentenced to 10 years in jail for assault and battery, falsely declaring bankruptcy, making threats against federal officials, filing false complaints, failing to get necessary building permits, and various tax-related charges! :o
This really upsets me to be honest. I mean a regular scientist who turns out to be a crook is no big deal but a guy like this who has such a worldy responsibility to let down his family, church, community and I guess his God is just really disheartening to me.
It just makes me feel at least like everybody on the planet is just out for them selves, selfish and greedy and that you can't trust anyone.
Got me a bit depressed to be honest.
Sounds like a credible witness to me ::** :P
Bilbo you have to accept that evolution occured on atleast some level. If evolution was "stupid" the cold virus would've died out millions of years ago but guess what its still here because it .... wait for it.... wait for it.... EVOLVES immunity to antibiotics (and medicines that are used to treat viruses since antibiotics do not treat viruses) that WE developed. Now if evolution was completely impossible and illogical, how would these viruses and bacteria (that were here long before us) be able to adapt to stuff that we have made over the past 50 years? Is there a cult meeting once every week where all the viruses meet together and their pope tells them how to adapt to medicines? ;D
Yes certainly I believe in adaptation or natural selection if you want to call it that but not evolution on a macro scale. I've never found a single piece of evidence that supports macro evolution I just don't see how it can happen.
The trouble is scientists have managed to convince people that natural selection and macro evolution are the same thing and that therefore proofs of natural selection are proof for evolution and this is just completely and utterly untrue.
Nobody doubts that organisms can adapt and change but ONLY according to the DNA asnd genetic information that is already present within them.
I look at it this way. If you are playing a computer game or using a piece of software there may be options within that game to alter details to your requirments, different resolutions, varying amounts of graphical details, EAX enabled sound, difficulty leves, inverted mouse option, etc. All of these options can make your version of the game run slightly different to somebody elses version of the game. Cheat codes can change things even more.
However none of these changes can possibly result in new game content that wasn't there before and your game won't become a different game. The only way for that to happen would be for new information, in the way of downloadable content from the game developers or the modding community that you could then add to the game to add new information that wasn't there before.
Genetic life is much the same. The preexisting DNA code can be manipulated by natural selection to tailor an organism specifically to its enviroment. However the only way it could ever turn into something else would be for new information to be added to its DNA.
Bilbo here's the thing that makes it difficult to understand, it takes place over an unbelievably long period of time. We share 98% of our genetic material with chimps (over millions of years a 2% difference wouldn't be hard to change) and we possess parts of reptile brains within our own.
Comparing games to animals is a close but inaccurate comparison. Dna is changeable over long periods of time while a game is not. They've found fossils of a bird that was very reptilian suggesting it was the next phase after the dinosaurs just like they've found (so i heard but cannot confirm 100% right now) fossils of an amphibian making the shift to reptiles. Not all of a species will evolve. Some monkeys have stayed monkeys while others slowly became more intelligent but less powerful. This isn't natural selection or adaption because the chimps are still alive. There's several species of chimps and other animals. While most of their dna is the same among animals of the same type (monkeys, fish, etc.) there's been slight alterations to allow the emrgency of different species. I can see how picturing an ameoba becoming a human over any course of time is hard to believe because there are many different types of animals and bacteria around today but i'm sure all forms of life started out as the same thing. The change itself took place over an unbelievablly long amount of time.
Hey punisher. Your reponse though clearly shows that you have only a rudimentary graps of the 'science' of evolution. I'm not saying that to criticise you but when you think that the Archaeopteryx (dino-bird) presents evidence for evolution it shows you havn't studied the debates.
The Archaeopteryx has long since been removed from scientific debate as a missing link between birds and reptiles. Not only was it 100% bird but it also arrives on the scene (according to the scientific estimates) 70 million years AFTER the first birds appear in the fossil record.
Since they they have discovered Archeoraptor which garnered much attention including a front cover on National Geographic magazine. This fossil was proven to be a forgery a year later amidst much embarrasment within the scientific community.
To be honest anyone who believes that the fossil record supports evolution clearly has no idea about the subject.
The evolustionists themselves are in constant debate amongst themselves to explain why the fossil record provides NO evidence for evolution just check out Wikipedia for details
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuated_equilibrium
All of the 'evidences' for evolution within popular culture have all been thrown out by the scientists themselves yet we hear all the time on the television how the fossil record supports evolution etc. This is just not true. Don't take my word for it, just go and buy a book on evolution and you'll find that there is virtually no evidence whatsoever.
I'm assuming you believe 100% in intelligent design then. Here's the problem with that: Regardless of wether there's an all knowing being out there who set this thing in motion or not, you can't just introduce various species into a living environment, you have to have a gradual build up. "Giving life" to several thousand animals out of thin air would have a very negative effect towards the physics of a world already set in motion.
Not at all, I actually see it the other way around. Look at the nature of symbiosis there are millions of plants and animals that depend upon each to live and cannot even go 1 season without each other. The odds of them all 'evolving' at the exact same time are just beyond the realms of plausability.
What you are saying though makes no sense. If that were true such human designs such as gardens, exotic fish tanks and aquariums and other eco systems could not be created as they would have to gradually add organisms over time for the system to survive.
But they don't and anyone can go out buy a bunch of different plants and seeds and design a garden how they want it, or build an exotic fish aquarium and populate it instantly with all manner of different fish.
You misunderstood me. I'm not saying a bunch of organisms being around at the same time can't co exist. I'm saying you can't just throw in a bunch of mass (we are made out of atoms just like everything else that has a physical existance) and have everything work out ok from a physics stand point.
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Has anyone got any idea what the F*ck they are babbling on about? ;D
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Has anyone got any idea what the F*ck they are babbling on about? ;D
Nope thats probably why it has stayed a 2 person conversation. ;)
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Well I just finished watching the 100 reasons why evolution is stupid seminar. As some might remember I've always been a strong advocate that evolution is utter bollocks anyhow and this seminar confirmed that.
It's really interesting though and well worth watching although it is 2 hours long!
What really saddened me though was that after watching the video and seeing how passionate the host Kent Hovind seemed about his work and how sincere, I googled him to see what else he has done.
To my shock I see that earlier this year he was sentenced to 10 years in jail for assault and battery, falsely declaring bankruptcy, making threats against federal officials, filing false complaints, failing to get necessary building permits, and various tax-related charges! :o
This really upsets me to be honest. I mean a regular scientist who turns out to be a crook is no big deal but a guy like this who has such a worldy responsibility to let down his family, church, community and I guess his God is just really disheartening to me.
It just makes me feel at least like everybody on the planet is just out for them selves, selfish and greedy and that you can't trust anyone.
Got me a bit depressed to be honest.
Sounds like a credible witness to me ::** :P
Bilbo you have to accept that evolution occured on atleast some level. If evolution was "stupid" the cold virus would've died out millions of years ago but guess what its still here because it .... wait for it.... wait for it.... EVOLVES immunity to antibiotics (and medicines that are used to treat viruses since antibiotics do not treat viruses) that WE developed. Now if evolution was completely impossible and illogical, how would these viruses and bacteria (that were here long before us) be able to adapt to stuff that we have made over the past 50 years? Is there a cult meeting once every week where all the viruses meet together and their pope tells them how to adapt to medicines? ;D
Yes certainly I believe in adaptation or natural selection if you want to call it that but not evolution on a macro scale. I've never found a single piece of evidence that supports macro evolution I just don't see how it can happen.
The trouble is scientists have managed to convince people that natural selection and macro evolution are the same thing and that therefore proofs of natural selection are proof for evolution and this is just completely and utterly untrue.
Nobody doubts that organisms can adapt and change but ONLY according to the DNA asnd genetic information that is already present within them.
I look at it this way. If you are playing a computer game or using a piece of software there may be options within that game to alter details to your requirments, different resolutions, varying amounts of graphical details, EAX enabled sound, difficulty leves, inverted mouse option, etc. All of these options can make your version of the game run slightly different to somebody elses version of the game. Cheat codes can change things even more.
However none of these changes can possibly result in new game content that wasn't there before and your game won't become a different game. The only way for that to happen would be for new information, in the way of downloadable content from the game developers or the modding community that you could then add to the game to add new information that wasn't there before.
Genetic life is much the same. The preexisting DNA code can be manipulated by natural selection to tailor an organism specifically to its enviroment. However the only way it could ever turn into something else would be for new information to be added to its DNA.
Bilbo here's the thing that makes it difficult to understand, it takes place over an unbelievably long period of time. We share 98% of our genetic material with chimps (over millions of years a 2% difference wouldn't be hard to change) and we possess parts of reptile brains within our own.
Comparing games to animals is a close but inaccurate comparison. Dna is changeable over long periods of time while a game is not. They've found fossils of a bird that was very reptilian suggesting it was the next phase after the dinosaurs just like they've found (so i heard but cannot confirm 100% right now) fossils of an amphibian making the shift to reptiles. Not all of a species will evolve. Some monkeys have stayed monkeys while others slowly became more intelligent but less powerful. This isn't natural selection or adaption because the chimps are still alive. There's several species of chimps and other animals. While most of their dna is the same among animals of the same type (monkeys, fish, etc.) there's been slight alterations to allow the emrgency of different species. I can see how picturing an ameoba becoming a human over any course of time is hard to believe because there are many different types of animals and bacteria around today but i'm sure all forms of life started out as the same thing. The change itself took place over an unbelievablly long amount of time.
Hey punisher. Your reponse though clearly shows that you have only a rudimentary graps of the 'science' of evolution. I'm not saying that to criticise you but when you think that the Archaeopteryx (dino-bird) presents evidence for evolution it shows you havn't studied the debates.
The Archaeopteryx has long since been removed from scientific debate as a missing link between birds and reptiles. Not only was it 100% bird but it also arrives on the scene (according to the scientific estimates) 70 million years AFTER the first birds appear in the fossil record.
Since they they have discovered Archeoraptor which garnered much attention including a front cover on National Geographic magazine. This fossil was proven to be a forgery a year later amidst much embarrasment within the scientific community.
To be honest anyone who believes that the fossil record supports evolution clearly has no idea about the subject.
The evolustionists themselves are in constant debate amongst themselves to explain why the fossil record provides NO evidence for evolution just check out Wikipedia for details
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuated_equilibrium
All of the 'evidences' for evolution within popular culture have all been thrown out by the scientists themselves yet we hear all the time on the television how the fossil record supports evolution etc. This is just not true. Don't take my word for it, just go and buy a book on evolution and you'll find that there is virtually no evidence whatsoever.
I'm assuming you believe 100% in intelligent design then. Here's the problem with that: Regardless of wether there's an all knowing being out there who set this thing in motion or not, you can't just introduce various species into a living environment, you have to have a gradual build up. "Giving life" to several thousand animals out of thin air would have a very negative effect towards the physics of a world already set in motion.
Not at all, I actually see it the other way around. Look at the nature of symbiosis there are millions of plants and animals that depend upon each to live and cannot even go 1 season without each other. The odds of them all 'evolving' at the exact same time are just beyond the realms of plausability.
What you are saying though makes no sense. If that were true such human designs such as gardens, exotic fish tanks and aquariums and other eco systems could not be created as they would have to gradually add organisms over time for the system to survive.
But they don't and anyone can go out buy a bunch of different plants and seeds and design a garden how they want it, or build an exotic fish aquarium and populate it instantly with all manner of different fish.
You misunderstood me. I'm not saying a bunch of organisms being around at the same time can't co exist. I'm saying you can't just throw in a bunch of mass (we are made out of atoms just like everything else that has a physical existance) and have everything work out ok from a physics stand point.
Of course you can IF someone is designing it all. ;)
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Well I just finished watching the 100 reasons why evolution is stupid seminar. As some might remember I've always been a strong advocate that evolution is utter bollocks anyhow and this seminar confirmed that.
It's really interesting though and well worth watching although it is 2 hours long!
What really saddened me though was that after watching the video and seeing how passionate the host Kent Hovind seemed about his work and how sincere, I googled him to see what else he has done.
To my shock I see that earlier this year he was sentenced to 10 years in jail for assault and battery, falsely declaring bankruptcy, making threats against federal officials, filing false complaints, failing to get necessary building permits, and various tax-related charges! :o
This really upsets me to be honest. I mean a regular scientist who turns out to be a crook is no big deal but a guy like this who has such a worldy responsibility to let down his family, church, community and I guess his God is just really disheartening to me.
It just makes me feel at least like everybody on the planet is just out for them selves, selfish and greedy and that you can't trust anyone.
Got me a bit depressed to be honest.
Sounds like a credible witness to me ::** :P
Bilbo you have to accept that evolution occured on atleast some level. If evolution was "stupid" the cold virus would've died out millions of years ago but guess what its still here because it .... wait for it.... wait for it.... EVOLVES immunity to antibiotics (and medicines that are used to treat viruses since antibiotics do not treat viruses) that WE developed. Now if evolution was completely impossible and illogical, how would these viruses and bacteria (that were here long before us) be able to adapt to stuff that we have made over the past 50 years? Is there a cult meeting once every week where all the viruses meet together and their pope tells them how to adapt to medicines? ;D
Yes certainly I believe in adaptation or natural selection if you want to call it that but not evolution on a macro scale. I've never found a single piece of evidence that supports macro evolution I just don't see how it can happen.
The trouble is scientists have managed to convince people that natural selection and macro evolution are the same thing and that therefore proofs of natural selection are proof for evolution and this is just completely and utterly untrue.
Nobody doubts that organisms can adapt and change but ONLY according to the DNA asnd genetic information that is already present within them.
I look at it this way. If you are playing a computer game or using a piece of software there may be options within that game to alter details to your requirments, different resolutions, varying amounts of graphical details, EAX enabled sound, difficulty leves, inverted mouse option, etc. All of these options can make your version of the game run slightly different to somebody elses version of the game. Cheat codes can change things even more.
However none of these changes can possibly result in new game content that wasn't there before and your game won't become a different game. The only way for that to happen would be for new information, in the way of downloadable content from the game developers or the modding community that you could then add to the game to add new information that wasn't there before.
Genetic life is much the same. The preexisting DNA code can be manipulated by natural selection to tailor an organism specifically to its enviroment. However the only way it could ever turn into something else would be for new information to be added to its DNA.
Bilbo here's the thing that makes it difficult to understand, it takes place over an unbelievably long period of time. We share 98% of our genetic material with chimps (over millions of years a 2% difference wouldn't be hard to change) and we possess parts of reptile brains within our own.
Comparing games to animals is a close but inaccurate comparison. Dna is changeable over long periods of time while a game is not. They've found fossils of a bird that was very reptilian suggesting it was the next phase after the dinosaurs just like they've found (so i heard but cannot confirm 100% right now) fossils of an amphibian making the shift to reptiles. Not all of a species will evolve. Some monkeys have stayed monkeys while others slowly became more intelligent but less powerful. This isn't natural selection or adaption because the chimps are still alive. There's several species of chimps and other animals. While most of their dna is the same among animals of the same type (monkeys, fish, etc.) there's been slight alterations to allow the emrgency of different species. I can see how picturing an ameoba becoming a human over any course of time is hard to believe because there are many different types of animals and bacteria around today but i'm sure all forms of life started out as the same thing. The change itself took place over an unbelievablly long amount of time.
Hey punisher. Your reponse though clearly shows that you have only a rudimentary graps of the 'science' of evolution. I'm not saying that to criticise you but when you think that the Archaeopteryx (dino-bird) presents evidence for evolution it shows you havn't studied the debates.
The Archaeopteryx has long since been removed from scientific debate as a missing link between birds and reptiles. Not only was it 100% bird but it also arrives on the scene (according to the scientific estimates) 70 million years AFTER the first birds appear in the fossil record.
Since they they have discovered Archeoraptor which garnered much attention including a front cover on National Geographic magazine. This fossil was proven to be a forgery a year later amidst much embarrasment within the scientific community.
To be honest anyone who believes that the fossil record supports evolution clearly has no idea about the subject.
The evolustionists themselves are in constant debate amongst themselves to explain why the fossil record provides NO evidence for evolution just check out Wikipedia for details
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuated_equilibrium
All of the 'evidences' for evolution within popular culture have all been thrown out by the scientists themselves yet we hear all the time on the television how the fossil record supports evolution etc. This is just not true. Don't take my word for it, just go and buy a book on evolution and you'll find that there is virtually no evidence whatsoever.
I'm assuming you believe 100% in intelligent design then. Here's the problem with that: Regardless of wether there's an all knowing being out there who set this thing in motion or not, you can't just introduce various species into a living environment, you have to have a gradual build up. "Giving life" to several thousand animals out of thin air would have a very negative effect towards the physics of a world already set in motion.
Not at all, I actually see it the other way around. Look at the nature of symbiosis there are millions of plants and animals that depend upon each to live and cannot even go 1 season without each other. The odds of them all 'evolving' at the exact same time are just beyond the realms of plausability.
What you are saying though makes no sense. If that were true such human designs such as gardens, exotic fish tanks and aquariums and other eco systems could not be created as they would have to gradually add organisms over time for the system to survive.
But they don't and anyone can go out buy a bunch of different plants and seeds and design a garden how they want it, or build an exotic fish aquarium and populate it instantly with all manner of different fish.
You misunderstood me. I'm not saying a bunch of organisms being around at the same time can't co exist. I'm saying you can't just throw in a bunch of mass (we are made out of atoms just like everything else that has a physical existance) and have everything work out ok from a physics stand point.
Of course you can IF someone is designing it all. ;)
No because once you set matter and the laws in motion, makng a precedent like that would make more intelligent species (i suppose that means us) capable of doing the same thing. So far we've made elements (super heavy radioactive and even antimatter) that as far as we know don't naturally exist in atleast our galaxy and quite possibly the entire universe, yet the fact remains the we potentially made something that wasn't around before but we could only do it within the binds of physical laws. Even if you're an all knowing "god" you can't just change the rules once its set into motion like that.
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Well I just finished watching the 100 reasons why evolution is stupid seminar. As some might remember I've always been a strong advocate that evolution is utter bollocks anyhow and this seminar confirmed that.
It's really interesting though and well worth watching although it is 2 hours long!
What really saddened me though was that after watching the video and seeing how passionate the host Kent Hovind seemed about his work and how sincere, I googled him to see what else he has done.
To my shock I see that earlier this year he was sentenced to 10 years in jail for assault and battery, falsely declaring bankruptcy, making threats against federal officials, filing false complaints, failing to get necessary building permits, and various tax-related charges! :o
This really upsets me to be honest. I mean a regular scientist who turns out to be a crook is no big deal but a guy like this who has such a worldy responsibility to let down his family, church, community and I guess his God is just really disheartening to me.
It just makes me feel at least like everybody on the planet is just out for them selves, selfish and greedy and that you can't trust anyone.
Got me a bit depressed to be honest.
Sounds like a credible witness to me ::** :P
Bilbo you have to accept that evolution occured on atleast some level. If evolution was "stupid" the cold virus would've died out millions of years ago but guess what its still here because it .... wait for it.... wait for it.... EVOLVES immunity to antibiotics (and medicines that are used to treat viruses since antibiotics do not treat viruses) that WE developed. Now if evolution was completely impossible and illogical, how would these viruses and bacteria (that were here long before us) be able to adapt to stuff that we have made over the past 50 years? Is there a cult meeting once every week where all the viruses meet together and their pope tells them how to adapt to medicines? ;D
Yes certainly I believe in adaptation or natural selection if you want to call it that but not evolution on a macro scale. I've never found a single piece of evidence that supports macro evolution I just don't see how it can happen.
The trouble is scientists have managed to convince people that natural selection and macro evolution are the same thing and that therefore proofs of natural selection are proof for evolution and this is just completely and utterly untrue.
Nobody doubts that organisms can adapt and change but ONLY according to the DNA asnd genetic information that is already present within them.
I look at it this way. If you are playing a computer game or using a piece of software there may be options within that game to alter details to your requirments, different resolutions, varying amounts of graphical details, EAX enabled sound, difficulty leves, inverted mouse option, etc. All of these options can make your version of the game run slightly different to somebody elses version of the game. Cheat codes can change things even more.
However none of these changes can possibly result in new game content that wasn't there before and your game won't become a different game. The only way for that to happen would be for new information, in the way of downloadable content from the game developers or the modding community that you could then add to the game to add new information that wasn't there before.
Genetic life is much the same. The preexisting DNA code can be manipulated by natural selection to tailor an organism specifically to its enviroment. However the only way it could ever turn into something else would be for new information to be added to its DNA.
Bilbo here's the thing that makes it difficult to understand, it takes place over an unbelievably long period of time. We share 98% of our genetic material with chimps (over millions of years a 2% difference wouldn't be hard to change) and we possess parts of reptile brains within our own.
Comparing games to animals is a close but inaccurate comparison. Dna is changeable over long periods of time while a game is not. They've found fossils of a bird that was very reptilian suggesting it was the next phase after the dinosaurs just like they've found (so i heard but cannot confirm 100% right now) fossils of an amphibian making the shift to reptiles. Not all of a species will evolve. Some monkeys have stayed monkeys while others slowly became more intelligent but less powerful. This isn't natural selection or adaption because the chimps are still alive. There's several species of chimps and other animals. While most of their dna is the same among animals of the same type (monkeys, fish, etc.) there's been slight alterations to allow the emrgency of different species. I can see how picturing an ameoba becoming a human over any course of time is hard to believe because there are many different types of animals and bacteria around today but i'm sure all forms of life started out as the same thing. The change itself took place over an unbelievablly long amount of time.
Hey punisher. Your reponse though clearly shows that you have only a rudimentary graps of the 'science' of evolution. I'm not saying that to criticise you but when you think that the Archaeopteryx (dino-bird) presents evidence for evolution it shows you havn't studied the debates.
The Archaeopteryx has long since been removed from scientific debate as a missing link between birds and reptiles. Not only was it 100% bird but it also arrives on the scene (according to the scientific estimates) 70 million years AFTER the first birds appear in the fossil record.
Since they they have discovered Archeoraptor which garnered much attention including a front cover on National Geographic magazine. This fossil was proven to be a forgery a year later amidst much embarrasment within the scientific community.
To be honest anyone who believes that the fossil record supports evolution clearly has no idea about the subject.
The evolustionists themselves are in constant debate amongst themselves to explain why the fossil record provides NO evidence for evolution just check out Wikipedia for details
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuated_equilibrium
All of the 'evidences' for evolution within popular culture have all been thrown out by the scientists themselves yet we hear all the time on the television how the fossil record supports evolution etc. This is just not true. Don't take my word for it, just go and buy a book on evolution and you'll find that there is virtually no evidence whatsoever.
I'm assuming you believe 100% in intelligent design then. Here's the problem with that: Regardless of wether there's an all knowing being out there who set this thing in motion or not, you can't just introduce various species into a living environment, you have to have a gradual build up. "Giving life" to several thousand animals out of thin air would have a very negative effect towards the physics of a world already set in motion.
Not at all, I actually see it the other way around. Look at the nature of symbiosis there are millions of plants and animals that depend upon each to live and cannot even go 1 season without each other. The odds of them all 'evolving' at the exact same time are just beyond the realms of plausability.
What you are saying though makes no sense. If that were true such human designs such as gardens, exotic fish tanks and aquariums and other eco systems could not be created as they would have to gradually add organisms over time for the system to survive.
But they don't and anyone can go out buy a bunch of different plants and seeds and design a garden how they want it, or build an exotic fish aquarium and populate it instantly with all manner of different fish.
You misunderstood me. I'm not saying a bunch of organisms being around at the same time can't co exist. I'm saying you can't just throw in a bunch of mass (we are made out of atoms just like everything else that has a physical existance) and have everything work out ok from a physics stand point.
Of course you can IF someone is designing it all. ;)
No because once you set matter and the laws in motion, makng a precedent like that would make more intelligent species (i suppose that means us) capable of doing the same thing. So far we've made elements (super heavy radioactive and even antimatter) that as far as we know don't naturally exist in atleast our galaxy and quite possibly the entire universe, yet the fact remains the we potentially made something that wasn't around before but we could only do it within the binds of physical laws. Even if you're an all knowing "god" you can't just change the rules once its set into motion like that.
That's a pretty bizarre statment about what a God could or could not do. If there was an imnipotent designer who created the universe then any physical laws would have been put in motion by him and he could surely alter or change them as he saw fit.
All we can do is observe how things currently are, we can make no inferences as to how things were or how things may come to be.
Gravity works, it's always been an observable law but there is nothing to say that one day the laws oh physics and gravity may not change.
Going back to my computer simulation analogy, if a team of developers created a virtual world with fully working solar system and artifical life they could still be free to change things whenever they saw fit. Remove the sun? No problem it's gone...still have light shine upon the earth with the sun? Yep they could do that too.
If something or somebody was capable of designing and sustaining an entire universe then the certainly wouldn't need to answer to your own limitations.
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Thats because its not an all powerful "god". The universe is way too big for any earth based religion to describe its existance reasonably. Science has come with the physics aspect of it but there are things that can't be understood. The true beginning happened somewhere in the middle. Religoin needs to accept some concepts froms science and science needs to accept some concepts from religion.
If this "god" in question is indeed all powerful, why would it create antimatter? If it could change matter however it wants, why would it make a second type of matter that wouldn't (under any circumstance) be able to interact with normal matter yet elements made of either have exactly the same properties? Either hydrogens are both light gases that are equally as unstable and weigh approximately the same. If you could set a universe in motion and edit mass and the laws of physics however you please, why have such a thing as antimatter? And gravity isn't just gravity, it varies alot from planet to planet and star to star. It's not even completely constant on earth as things weigh less near the equator than they do anywhere else.
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Thats because its not an all powerful "god". The universe is way too big for any earth based religion to describe its existance reasonably. Science has come with the physics aspect of it but there are things that can't be understood. The true beginning happened somewhere in the middle. Religoin needs to accept some concepts froms science and science needs to accept some concepts from religion.
If this "god" in question is indeed all powerful, why would it create antimatter? If it could change matter however it wants, why would it make a second type of matter that wouldn't (under any circumstance) be able to interact with normal matter yet elements made of either have exactly the same properties? Either hydrogens are both light gases that are equally as unstable and weigh approximately the same. If you could set a universe in motion and edit mass and the laws of physics however you please, why have such a thing as antimatter? And gravity isn't just gravity, it varies alot from planet to planet and star to star. It's not even completely constant on earth as things weigh less near the equator than they do anywhere else.
I certainly accept all the 'scientific' research that gets done I just don't go along with any of the religion masquerading as science that evolutionists come out with.
If you have read Dawkins or Stephen Jay Gould you would have to accept that they deify the evolutionary process every bit as much as fundamentalist Christians talk about God.
To me science can explain physical processes to an extent but not give any reasons beyond that. Both Christianity and science agrees that the universe had a beginning, and that at a specific point in time the heavens were created.
A religious person ascribes this great and miraculous event to a designer, an evolutionist ascribes it to nothing....literally nothing. First there was nothing, then it exploded.
That's not science that's as crazy a creation myth as anything from the ancient world.
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Thats because its not an all powerful "god". The universe is way too big for any earth based religion to describe its existance reasonably. Science has come with the physics aspect of it but there are things that can't be understood. The true beginning happened somewhere in the middle. Religoin needs to accept some concepts froms science and science needs to accept some concepts from religion.
If this "god" in question is indeed all powerful, why would it create antimatter? If it could change matter however it wants, why would it make a second type of matter that wouldn't (under any circumstance) be able to interact with normal matter yet elements made of either have exactly the same properties? Either hydrogens are both light gases that are equally as unstable and weigh approximately the same. If you could set a universe in motion and edit mass and the laws of physics however you please, why have such a thing as antimatter? And gravity isn't just gravity, it varies alot from planet to planet and star to star. It's not even completely constant on earth as things weigh less near the equator than they do anywhere else.
I certainly accept all the 'scientific' research that gets done I just don't go along with any of the religion masquerading as science that evolutionists come out with.
If you have read Dawkins or Stephen Jay Gould you would have to accept that they deify the evolutionary process every bit as much as fundamentalist Christians talk about God.
To me science can explain physical processes to an extent but not give any reasons beyond that. Both Christianity and science agrees that the universe had a beginning, and that at a specific point in time the heavens were created.
A religious person ascribes this great and miraculous event to a designer, an evolutionist ascribes it to nothing....literally nothing. First there was nothing, then it exploded.
That's not science that's as crazy a creation myth as anything from the ancient world.
Maybe my concept of evolution is a bit different than their's because i fully believe you can't just have matter lying around that came from nowhere. To me evolution wasn't just a lucky occurance, It was chance, environment and naturally born ability all rolled into one.
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Thats because its not an all powerful "god". The universe is way too big for any earth based religion to describe its existance reasonably. Science has come with the physics aspect of it but there are things that can't be understood. The true beginning happened somewhere in the middle. Religoin needs to accept some concepts froms science and science needs to accept some concepts from religion.
If this "god" in question is indeed all powerful, why would it create antimatter? If it could change matter however it wants, why would it make a second type of matter that wouldn't (under any circumstance) be able to interact with normal matter yet elements made of either have exactly the same properties? Either hydrogens are both light gases that are equally as unstable and weigh approximately the same. If you could set a universe in motion and edit mass and the laws of physics however you please, why have such a thing as antimatter? And gravity isn't just gravity, it varies alot from planet to planet and star to star. It's not even completely constant on earth as things weigh less near the equator than they do anywhere else.
I certainly accept all the 'scientific' research that gets done I just don't go along with any of the religion masquerading as science that evolutionists come out with.
If you have read Dawkins or Stephen Jay Gould you would have to accept that they deify the evolutionary process every bit as much as fundamentalist Christians talk about God.
To me science can explain physical processes to an extent but not give any reasons beyond that. Both Christianity and science agrees that the universe had a beginning, and that at a specific point in time the heavens were created.
A religious person ascribes this great and miraculous event to a designer, an evolutionist ascribes it to nothing....literally nothing. First there was nothing, then it exploded.
That's not science that's as crazy a creation myth as anything from the ancient world.
Maybe my concept of evolution is a bit different than their's because i fully believe you can't just have matter lying around that came from nowhere. To me evolution wasn't just a lucky occurance, It was chance, environment and naturally born ability all rolled into one.
But chance, enviroment and naturally born ability are all ultimately meaningless statements. If there were once nothing, literally nothing then there is no such thing as enviroment or naturally born ability.
If there always 'something' then where did that come from?
What does naturally born ability even mean seeing as the creation of a universe is the most unnatural event that could ever happen?
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Thats because its not an all powerful "god". The universe is way too big for any earth based religion to describe its existance reasonably. Science has come with the physics aspect of it but there are things that can't be understood. The true beginning happened somewhere in the middle. Religoin needs to accept some concepts froms science and science needs to accept some concepts from religion.
If this "god" in question is indeed all powerful, why would it create antimatter? If it could change matter however it wants, why would it make a second type of matter that wouldn't (under any circumstance) be able to interact with normal matter yet elements made of either have exactly the same properties? Either hydrogens are both light gases that are equally as unstable and weigh approximately the same. If you could set a universe in motion and edit mass and the laws of physics however you please, why have such a thing as antimatter? And gravity isn't just gravity, it varies alot from planet to planet and star to star. It's not even completely constant on earth as things weigh less near the equator than they do anywhere else.
I certainly accept all the 'scientific' research that gets done I just don't go along with any of the religion masquerading as science that evolutionists come out with.
If you have read Dawkins or Stephen Jay Gould you would have to accept that they deify the evolutionary process every bit as much as fundamentalist Christians talk about God.
To me science can explain physical processes to an extent but not give any reasons beyond that. Both Christianity and science agrees that the universe had a beginning, and that at a specific point in time the heavens were created.
A religious person ascribes this great and miraculous event to a designer, an evolutionist ascribes it to nothing....literally nothing. First there was nothing, then it exploded.
That's not science that's as crazy a creation myth as anything from the ancient world.
Maybe my concept of evolution is a bit different than their's because i fully believe you can't just have matter lying around that came from nowhere. To me evolution wasn't just a lucky occurance, It was chance, environment and naturally born ability all rolled into one.
But chance, enviroment and naturally born ability are all ultimately meaningless statements. If there were once nothing, literally nothing then there is no such thing as enviroment or naturally born ability.
If there always 'something' then where did that come from?
What does naturally born ability even mean seeing as the creation of a universe is the most unnatural event that could ever happen?
Naturally born ability to evolve in one way or another. I'm saying (just like with mass) once life was created (amoebas and stuff likie that), you couldn't upgrade/evolve a large amount of it into a superior species over a short period of time or it wouldn't of panned out. The creation of life was intentional and direct. While this semi powerful "god" could create it and maybe even guide its developement, you'd have to also believe that some of the changes that happened between life across the universe was their own doing to an extent. I'm not saying they could control it directly but there's a psychology theory that might back this up. There's a theory that in every human brain lies an area that is a record of that human's ancestors. It's not trivial stuff like how much they spent on something or how many animals they killed at one time but it was basically a record of how they've adapted over generations (i'm not exactly sure how it was worded, but thats roughly what the theory stated). If other animals have a similar but not as complex area in their brain as well, maybe it would sub consciously push towards an evolutionary change. This theory's not proven, i'm just throwing it out there.
I'm not saying they chose exactly how they'd go about it (like "if i was 50 times bigger i could probably be on top of the food chanin and then poof their offspring is huge") but i think every creature was given the birth right to adapt in a way that its environment might suggest it to.
In closing somethings were done intentionally and somethings happened by accident. For starters, the earth has no business having a moon the size that it does. The earth shouldn't technically have enough gravitational pull to capture an object of that size thats just floating thru space yet without a moon of roughly that size, earth wouldn't be inhabitable by larger species because the tides would be violently unpredictable and we wouldn't have liveable weather patterns. This was supposedly (according tot he best available theory) a result of two planets colliding and the result was the impacted plant resulting in the earth we live on today and the scraps from the collision centered around a chunk of the other planet and formed our moon. If the impacting planet had been bigger of smaller, it wouldn't of worked out the same way so was the statistically improbable event intentional or just a freak accident? I dunno, it's hard to judge that kinda stuff.
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Re: Could we have a Movies,documentaries and music concert thread or sticky please?
It's like a train and a car. Trains are set on unalterable courses while cars can go in many different directions (even reverse :(). A train symbolizes the idea that life was created and set in motion in a way that could not alter while the car symbolizes free will of animals and other living creatures. You can have more frequent but also less devestating car wrecks (unplanned things that have happened over the years) without the whole system being messed up while there is no such a thing as a fender bender when it comes to train wrecks. Because i believe there's solid evidence to suggest the force behind creation often prefers a more hands off approach, i compare us to a car where as if it was a control freak it would have us set up like a train where if a mistake happened, he'd have to pause everything, fix the mess, and then continue.
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Re: Could we have a Movies,documentaries and music concert thread or sticky please?
It's times like this i wish I'd paid attention at School .
all the above arguement I'm gonna use in Polite conversations in a Pub and hopefully make somebody Swoon .
cheers Boys .
I don't buy Intelligent design , when i look at a Pigeon i see a Feathered Velciraptor thats adapted to its Surroundings Ie Leafy Sussex .
