400-4 His record was thats amazing even better than Harry Simon thats best amateur record i've ever seen does anyone else know of a better one ?? i know Robinson had 80+ amateur fights and never lost one.
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400-4 His record was thats amazing even better than Harry Simon thats best amateur record i've ever seen does anyone else know of a better one ?? i know Robinson had 80+ amateur fights and never lost one.
Wow, thats immpressive. Mark Brelands record didnt even look like that. I guess it depends though on what tournaments he fought in and who he fought. But either way one hell of a record.
Is their a website that's a good source for amateur records?
I thought that I'd heard somewhere that Joe Calzaghe had a perfect record as an amateur. If this is true, it's real hard to be better than perfect.
He had 9 losses as amateur i believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
400-4 for Curry as an amateur! Impressive, as it is a lot harder to win these fights than most people think,
limited time and nearly always goes to decision, judging is dubious sometimes as well, just ask Roy Jones Jr. I thought Calzaghe had well over 100 amateur fights but he did lose some of them.
Tszyu was 259-11 which is amazing but 400-4 has to be close to a record for sure.
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Are you positive?? (I'm not, at all)
I thought I heard on an HBO telecast (vs. Bika, I believe) that Calzaghe had been perfect dating back to the beginning of his amateur career, but I could be wrong.
Im not postive that he had 9 losses but i know he definately lost a few i remember this kid he fought turns out the kids dad was the ref or something and bit of shady stuff went down and Calzaghe lost controversial decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
Does anyone keep accurate records for amateur fights? I mean is 400-4 accurate?
Donald Curry (born September 7, 1961) is a retired Fort Worth fighter, called the 'Lone Star Cobra'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swice
Curry, who had an amateur record of 400-4, made the 1980 United States Olympic team, but could not compete due to the U.S. boycott. He then started his pro career and rose to superstardom rather quickly, putting together an undefeated streak that culminated in a 15-round points win over Jun-Suk Hwang of South Korea in 1983, giving Curry the then-vacant WBA welterweight title. He then defended this belt mostly by KO or TKO, against the likes of Nino LaRocca, Elio Diaz, Roger Stafford (whom he beat within a round), and Colin Jones. Also included in this stretch was a 1984 points win over the future world champion Marlon Starling to claim the division's new IBF title, while retaining the WBA title.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Curry
I don't know if the record is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
But I do know that anyone can type up a wikipedia article so sometimes everything you read there isn't necessairly 100% true/accurate.
According to different sources Tommy Morrison's amat. record stands at 222-20.
I think JC was about 130-3 or something like that - hasn't lost since he was 16Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
At the end of the day in amateur boxing, where it it 3 or 4 rounds, to have a massive winning record is majorily impressive.
Petty The Cobra was never the same after The Ragamuffin man ;D
Amateur is corrupt though especially back then. A lot of times even now I see them given points despite the fact the guy is slipping punches especially in local fights. Also if he never competed in the Olympics and who knows how many international competitions he competed in. These are the places most of the best guys get their loses. Also in nationals, but who was around then.
Totally agree i see Mayweather land multiple body shots in semi final of olympics yet judges wern't scoring it Mayweather was screwed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Amateur boxers have passbooks books that each fight is recorded in. Fights in national tournaments are better documented, but club fight arent kept track of aside from the passbook. I lost my USA pasbook a couple years ago after about 15 fights and the form that i had to fill out to get a new book asked to list my record. I could easily have put 15-0 and it would have went, course I put my real record. My point is theres eally no way of knowing for sure.
Sorry to disagree Frozen...But IMO 400-4 is better then 70-0Quote:
Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
I heard Ricardo Lopez never lost amatuer or pro.
Yeh calzaghe had well over 100 amateur fights he lost one to a guy in my home town BARRY
Mike Smive the the BARRY BOMBER...he even talks about him in his Book
This was the fight were the referee was mikes dad...although Joe admits The Barry Bomber took the first 2 rounds But Joe thought he did enough in the last two to take the win
What they fail to tell you here is that Don Curry had the flu just prior to fighting Honeyghan. He couldnt train was weak and overweight. His so called manager at the time Akhbar Muhammad insisted a severely weakened Don still fight. It wasnt so much Honeyghan but the flu beat DonQuote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I always been a Donald Curry fan. And always felt he shouldn't of been fighting that night. Honeyghan was at the right place at the right time. Any decent Welterweight would of beaten Curry that night.Quote:
Originally Posted by C.J.RockWhat they fail to tell you here is that Don Curry had the flu just prior to fighting Honeyghan. He couldnt train was weak and overweight. His so called manager at the time Akhbar Muhammad insisted a severely weakened Don still fight. It wasnt so much Honeyghan but the flu beat DonQuote:
Originally Posted by ICB
According to some sources "Finito" went 49-0 as an amateur.Quote:
Originally Posted by SEANIE
I 100% AGREE. In the states, USA Boxing doesn't record ANY BOUTS. In fact, if you lose your passbook, they just send a replacement and ASK THE BOXER to fill in his current record. So, if I was 0-30 and "lost" my book, I could get a replacement and write in 30-0 and start a new career. :rolleyes: Now, for my two cents. . .Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
Mark Breland was 110-1 and many of his bouts are well documented and extremel impressive. Curry's record didn't include Olympic performances like Mark Breland. Had Breland not turned pro, who knows what his record would be. He just didn't have anything else to prove. It wasn't just that he was winning, but the where, who and how. If you dig deeper and see who he fought, I have to say Mark's Record is not as prolific, but more impressive to me. Breland was a monster. I have some of his amateur bouts online. His 110 wins include 70 RSCs, 18-0 in international competition, 6-0 in the '84 Olympics (included '80 Silver medalist Russian Serik Konakbaev and best Cuban, 1983 World Cup champion Candelario Duvergal). Per my buddy John Scully on maxboxing.com, Breland also scored stoppage victories over top Americans like All-Army champion James Mitchell, 1983 Pan-American Games welterweight champion Louis Howard, North American Champion Ron Esset, David Guttierez, and Mylon Watkins (Howard, Esset and Watkins were all National Golden Gloves Champions and Mitchell was a National ABF – formerly known as the AAU – Champion). He won the prestigious NYC Golden Gloves 5 consecutive times by amassing a 21-0 record with 19 RSCs, 14 in the first round!!
There are a lot of amateur records that are prolific, but don't include real national titles that at first glance seem unbelievable. Curry was definitely a great amateur, but I'm looking at quality versus quantity and I think Breland's record was more impressive to me.
Dick McTaggart (UK) was 634-24 and that included 3 Olympic games (Gold in '56, Bronze in '60). He only lost to eventual Gold medal winners in the two games he didn't win Gold. I'm sure you've heard of him IBC :)
Kid Thunder didnt lose as an amateur . beat that Don Curry ;D
Apparently ODLH is 223-5 with 163 KO's. If that is true that is amazing. But 400-4? Thats almost unbelievable!
Didnt Silence Mabuza that guy who lost to Rafael Marquez twice have an outstanding amatuer record?
I think you are right Tam , Silence Mabuza , had a great record , but when i confronted him about it he didnt make a sound , not a a word ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
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Originally Posted by ICB
I've got the fight where he loses to a guy called Michael Smyth as an amateur when he was about 18 not sure about the 9 losses but he definately didn't have a perfect record.
WOW, and I thought Tszyu's amateur record of 259-11 was good:p
I think Joe Calzaghe lost 2 fights as an amateur out of about 120 odd
Kostya Tszyu had too many Amateur fights in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
Totally agree fella I wish he turned pro much earlierQuote:
Originally Posted by ssssKostya Tszyu had too many Amateur fights in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
Pound for pound, Tszyu is one of the greatest modern boxers that lived.
If he had not done so many amateur fights and his shoulder, wrist etc hadn't all be completely shot by the time he was 30, he could have ruled for years and years.
His impressive fight for the gold against Vernon Forest on youtube is an awesome display of boxing.
Ezzard Charles at 44-0 and Mrk Breeland at 100-1