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It's always been suspected but now there are concrete allegations against Shane Mosley for doping.
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It's always been suspected but now there are concrete allegations against Shane Mosley for doping.
I don't know much about drugs so could someone explain,what would be the benefit of doping and if he did dope,does that man some of his wins are tarnished? And could the Cotto fight be off? CC's for answers.
We have heard these kind of allegations about boxers before. Im always cynical when it comes to the media telling us these things.
They've been saying he's been associated with Balco for a while so this isn't shocking. And SportsIllustrated is at least fairly reliable, well kind of.
But I'd like to see their evidence, all they really cite in that article is a calendar. Do they have enough to really go after him or just give talks at a conference.
Not saying he didn't do it, I'm not surprised at all by anybody doing it, whether its Shane Mosley or anybody else.
Doping with epo gets more oxygen to your muscles so they don't tire as easily and it gives you a huge superhuman stamina boost.it says this dates back to 03 so it's a possibility this may have happene dover a series of fights. Unless he's suspended by an org, the fight will go on.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
I agree. It sounds so good even I would like to try some of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
lol
I find it hard to believe that Mosley is a dopehead.
An agency (over in france) brought forth this case against lance armstrong a few years ago saying that he tested positive for epo back in '97. There was a minor investigation but it was all made a mute point because of the fact that he won 6 more races after that and has never tested positive to begin with..
Talk is great and everything, but it's really unfair to throw out accusations without being able to back it up. Because that hangs like a stain for the rest of a fighter's career. Now we're looking at Holyfield with suspicion too. Not that I don't think it's very possible, it's just not right to be convicting these guys in the court of public opinion without anything concrete.
Don't fall for this bull****
They are talking about something that happened............... 4 years ago? 3?
Someone is trying to get into Shane Mosley's head, because all of the sudden this "news" shows up before a BIG fight with a young champion star.
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyrokai
That makes alot of sense. The timing of this is suspicious to say the least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyrokai
cC bro,thankyou.Quote:
Originally Posted by Punisher136
Sad if true.........but he's denied it thus far so i'll still belive him.
If it's true, Oscar's official record vs. juiced fighters is 1-2.
it seems convenient that this comes up now. i believe Shane
Thats just it, all accusations of this sort come up when the athlete in question is about to do soemthing big for their sport or their career.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sugar_Shaw
Here is the fightnews link ...
http://www.fightnews.com/fightnews_2...VcCNhSYXt.html
I remember when I downloaded the second Mosley vs Wright fight(or maybe it was the first),
they showed this interview before the fight with Mosley about allegations that he did use steroids...
But as long as there is no hard evidence things like these are just defamation...
Proof it or shut up...
I believe this story 100%. The whole point about the cream and clear is that they were undetectable at the time. And EPO is only in your system for a very short period. So Mosley vowing under oath that he never took these substances doesn't mean anything because he knows there can never be valid proof against him. But the calendars and tests are all there for a reason. You don't just go to BALCO for a blood tests like he said he did and some good vitamins. You go to BALCO for undetectable steroids and other substances to assist you in training.
Don't fall for this bull****
They are talking about something that happened........... .... 4 years ago? 3?
Someone is trying to get into Shane Mosley's head, because all of the sudden this "news" shows up before a BIG fight with a young champion star.
Agreed with this.
Carnt see Mosley been to bothered by this it has come up before and like ICE COLD BOXING its before a big fight and they will be trying to get into Shanes head.
These aren't new allegations. Mosley was accused of doping over 3 years ago. The allegations first surfaced before his first fight with Winky. The government has been probing the lab in question for over 4 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyrokai
There is nothing suspicious about the timing here. It's just a continuing investigation. Mosley and alleged cheating is well-known.
But these accusations could have re surfaced at any time,why now? Before his biggest fight in years? Why not before the Collazo fight? I'm not saying he's guilty or not guilty though.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
Mosley has always been involved in the BALCO case. The reason he is not named much is that mainstream America is more focused on the big stars such as Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa, and Mark McGuire. To me, any association with BALCO is a guilty association, and I don't want to hear about "where's the evidence." In terms of the fight with Cotto, it should go on-there's no reason for it not to. Maybe it's out there more now so that it can be insured that Mosley comes into the fight with Cotto clean.
Uh, there is hard evidence. The FEDS are the ones making the claim, based on hard evidence. This isn't some second rate newspaper making an unsupported claim. Do I still want to see Mosley-Cotto? hell yeah!!Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAss
I couldn't care less. My own belief regarding human nature is that everyone will cheat or seek to bend the rules to get ahead and those that don't lose.
I bet if there was some kind of human guilt test 99.99999% of the worlds population have done illegal or improper things to benefit themselves.
So I totally believe he took the EPO, but I believe that every other boxer and athlete out there does the same so I could care less.
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Yeah convenience is a mother, so I'll believe Shane instead. This comes up right before Mosley's fight with Cotto. Controversy creates cash. So I really doubt this is true. Sports Illustrated has been known to jump the gun fairly often.
And I don't see people jump on Vitali for taking steroids when it was something like 4 years after the fact.
And these are 'allegations' people been after bonds for years and he passes all the drug tests and they still try to make him guilty.
Yet rafael palmero tests positive for steroids after LYING to congress about it and they try to give him excuses.
Yeah right, news and media are all biased F heads! Thats why I rarely pay attention to this nonsense anymore
Mosley's never failed any type of tests before or tested positive for anything. That's good enough for me
I gotta say I'm a bit surprised at how out of hand people are calling this bullshit. This is from a serious investigator and he's had some ties with Balco. I know Mosley's popular and all but stillQuote:
Originally Posted by albsur2006
But then again I'm a bit like Bilbo, kinda don't give a S*** really, I just assume that any of them could be or are doing it, I'm sure there's a lot more guys doing it than we think.
So you think Sports Illustrated has some type of ax to grind with Shane Mosley, and purposely held this article until the weeks before the Cotto fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
Seems kind of far-fetched.
I believe Shane. Innocent until proven guilty by a court of law not by some sportswriters.
you and me both brutha ;) bunch of busters tryin to stir the potQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
I have a hard time believing this is trure. Why would it come up now so close to one of his biggest fights. Also Shane father is his trainer and I doubt he would let that fly as a father nevermind a trainer considering the damage it can cause and the lack of benifits for a boxer especially at Shanes weight. I wont believe this till they can prove it without doubt which they wont cause they never do.
You can get the same iffect with Alka Seltzer no new thing, and thats legal could give you a Heart attack though.
Mosley did take a banned substance before the 2nd DeLaHoya fight and addmitted it during the testemony a couple years ago, But he was told it was legal performance enhancers with no banned substances by his stregnth coach. He took a lie detector test and passed. That should have been the end of it. Mosley has even said that they could have even potentally cost him the fight cause they screwed up his performance. The guy is sincere and should be left alone.
I always suspected Mosley was doped for that fight though.
He looked huge at 154, like it was a natural weight for him - and he visibly hurt DLH to the body in the later rounds. As the fight went on he got stronger and stronger.
Always thought there was something suspect about that one...
Mosley has never denied it either. He came clean and was honest, but it was nothing more than a mistake and i doubt he touched anything after that one time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greig
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=3041449
Just in case no-one believes it,he admits to taking it. I have 2 problems with this:
1.) this statement-"I didn't know anything about that stuff," Mosley said. "It was something given to me, pushed up on me. I'm a health freak-type of guy. I like to have everything organic, natural." That's the biggest contradiction I've seen. How can a self admitted health freak not be aware of what he has taken/forced upon him?
2.) Just because it's Shane Mosley,an admittedly nice guy,people are saying,"oh it doesn't matter etc etc" BS. Imagine,if this was Mayweather or Judah. Both are asses but imagine of they had taken these drugs,"unkowningly". We know for a FACT that people on this forum would be ripping them to shreds.And that's a fact. I'm not one for double standards but nice guy or not,Mosley has gotten away with this too lightly.
I don't know man,he's admitted it himself so NO ONE can edeny he took them. His nice guy image is still genuine but I'm not letting it blind my thinking on the situation. I take back what I said about the timing,it's not as if it's something new,it's been an on going investigation.
I didn't think he won the second ODH fight anyway, but since he just admitted to taking it before the fight shouldn't the decision be reversed?
Once again Gamo your comments are right on the money. Mosley has admitted he took steroids (supposedly unknowingly) and it should matter to boxing fans because that should change how he looked against Oscar and who knows who else. This brings up many questions: Is Shane not as fast as he has shown in the past? Is Shane really that strong? Does Shane really have great stamina as he has shown in the past?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
Since Mosley is not a jerk like Bonds and McGuire, most people will surely forgive him (I still think the guy has class and respect for others). In fact, I hope his fight with Cotto goes on as scheduled. But his confession should change how fans view him as a boxer, not so much as a person (though cheaters are hard to respect in general).
CC bro,glad someone seees it the same way. I definitely see it as a big deal. SSM= super nice does not mean SSM= should be let off for cheating. Like I said,if it was one of the less popular fighters,they would be getting torn to shreds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rican