Its a hard fight to judge..... what do you all think??
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Its a hard fight to judge..... what do you all think??
I never vote against Joe Calzaghe, he's the man 8)
Calzaghe would destroy him.
Bet the house on it 8)
Calzaghe is too slick, way too active, has superior technique, substantially faster, and far more skilled than Pavlik.
Pavlik is much better than I gave credit for before the Taylor fight (I had Taylor by TKO) but Joe Calzaghe is in a class of his own.
Kelly is nowhere near ready for Joe yet.
I go for Joe by stoppage. I just think that he knows a little bit too much for Pavlik who I thought was very easy for Taylor to hit. Taylor would beat him in a rematch too!
Its a total mismatch. calzaghe in two roundsQuote:
Originally Posted by Fire
I initially thought Calzaghe by K.O but he hasnt really been putting em away recently and Pavlik just keeps coming at you no matter what so a realistic pick is that Joe would show superior skills and win a wide UD
Hmm I'm one of Calzaghe's biggest fans but there is really nothing at all to suggest he could 'destroy' Kelly Pavlik and to say he'd beat him in two rounds is just plain rediculous ::**
It would be one hell of a fight.
I would give Pavlik a chance in this fight he is a massive puncher and Calzaghe has a weakness getting caught with right hands and Pavlik does have great right hand.
He also thinks Duddy destroys Pavlik in 5 rounds i just don't take any notice of his posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Ah another moron, we seem to have a few recently. It's funny I used to think TysonBruno was the stupidest man to ever put his fingers to a computer keyboard but now I realise he's actually a few rungs up the evolutionary ladder from some of our other recent members. :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
calzaghe wouldn't ever ko pavlik. pavlik's chin is too good. and how can anyone say that calzaghe would outwork pavlik. pavlik has a better workrate and way better power. calzaghe has better handspeed, footwork and i think could control pavliks pressure. calzaghe by hard fought decision
I don't see Kelly Pavlik having any problem moving up in weight.
For me Calzaghe would take this one over twelve fairly difficult rounds, but that is on the basis of where he is now, and that could be very different in a few weeks time, after Calzaghe faces Kessler.
But for now, this is how I would read it. Pavlik would carry a lot of his power up to super-middleweight, but will also probably be more comfortable at the weight. Calzaghe's power has diminshed over recent years, as he's altered his style because of his hand injuries, meaning his emphasis is more on volume and speed, and less on his old power.
Pavlik would simply struggle to deal with that pace, as I believe Kessler will, and although he might land some big shots, and possibly even a knockdown, I think Calzaghe would do enough over the rounds to pull out a fairly comfortable points win.
Agreed. I love Pavlik & think he's the shit...but c'mon...against Calzaghe...there aint anyone around the range that I'd pick to beat him. Joe get's up for a good scrap & he's got enough to get by with the best of 'em.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
yeh after being away for a while i have come back to a forum full of newbies who often leave me scratching my head in amazementQuote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Calzaghe's just a much tougher opponent than Taylor. I like Pavlik and think he could actually be better at 168 but I'd still go with Calzaghe. Well for now at least, Calzaghe's gotta slow down one of these days.
l'm surprised alot of posters think calzaghe would destroy pavlik and have an early ko...
i like calzaghe, but if anyone is getting ko'ed it would be calzaghe for sure...
i picked calzaghe in a hard fought decision...but pavlik would hit him harder than he has ever been hit....
calzaghe doesnt hit harder than taylor and he doesnt even throw that much faster either..nothing to indicate calzaghe would ko him early..pavlik is light years away from peter manfrado..
although i think calzaghe is better all around than taylor, pavlik would be calzaghe toughest and most impressive win to date, by far...
I think a win over Kessler is a bit more impressive then a win over Pavlik but i could be wrong
thats why i said to date..Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
in my opinion a calzaghe victory over kessler would be a better win at the moment..
kessler is more refined...
pavlik will be on there level next year
Who are you picking by the way i am going with Joe winning against Kess and Pav
although kess,pav, and calzaghe are very good, they havent fought the elite opponents consistantly like the other P4Pers so it is very hard to seperate them...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
truthfully i think they all could beat each other on any given night at 168 in 2008... but one of them will probably rise above the other two in 2008....
my pick on the poll was calzaghe by decision, but i could have just as easliy went with pav by KO... pavlik's power is still underrated, if that can be possible ..pavlik has a shot at beating anyone, he is the ultimate punchers chance type of fighter...
To me Joe looked like he couldnt hurt Hopkins at all. You think he could hurt Pavlik? I don't think so. Pavlik hits way harder than Hopkins and Kessler and he is way busier. He throws that jab out there and he is very accurate with the right hand. He can control the center of the ring but he often never does because he always has his man moving back. He throws around a 100 punches a round and never seems to tire. Look at the Taylor knock down. He ate tons of right hands and got right back up . That would have put away most middle weights. That just shows how conditioned he is. If he didn't drop his hands to show off he would not have had that problem. But I guess you live and learn. To say Calzaghe would destroy him is crazy. He got knocked down and hurt a few times by a middle aged man. This sounds kind of like the chances that people gave him with Miranda and Taylor. He destroyed both of them. Pavlik is the hardest hitting middle wieght in the world. And that 160-168. Miranda is the hardest hitting at 168 and Pavlik has more power than him. Or maybe his chin is just that good.
Pavlik KO's glass Joe. Quit slappin, he wouldn't hurt Pavlik, to retirement he would go. Well no, then he can fight RJJ to see who will retire first.
Actually, both Pavlik and Calzaghe sometimes make stupid mistake by showboating and leaving their chin exposed.
I would favor Pavlik for power and chin advantage.
Pavlik by KO.
Calzaghe by UD. Quite a wide UD aswell. Be interesting to see how many people vote Pavlik from now-on seen as though Joe had trouble with Hopkins.
Hopkins is the one fight nobody will ever look good against. I'd actually expect him to beat Pavlik. :cool:
Here's what I see
Pavlik doesn't have the size advantage over Calzaghe, he doesn't have the speed, he only has the power....that's what Lacy had and that's what Kessler had and although I think Pavlik is better than both those guys I think his style and his handspeed leave him wide open for a guy with quick hands to counterpunch him ALL DAY LONG.
Calzaghe will move and counter and just eat Pavlik up....I think Kelly is a limited fighter when it comes to judging his skills other than his power. The BEST fighters Pavlik has beaten (Miranda and Taylor) were drawn into brawls and subsequently lost....Joe Calzaghe is too smart to be forced into a brawl and his hands are fast enough to do real damage to Pavlik.
Calzaghe wins by late stoppage....you can't fight the way Pavlik fights and stick around for a long time
You are kidding about the size I hope. Pavlik is a monster at 6'2.5" 76 inch wing span . He runs around 180 lbs between fights.He has a 25 inch arm length. Not to mention his power over him. His chin over him. He throws alot of punches and no one really has ever stood in and traded with him. You can say Miranda did for a while then he felt the power and was pushed back into the ropes. I think there is not a middle wieght in the world that can stand in and trade power shots with Kelly. He is a machine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Hey Akron of coarse were gonna stand up for Pavlik, u being close to the YO and I grew up and still live 2 streets down from his house. We were kids together running the same streets and trained down Southside myself. He hasn't changed a bit since "fame", still goes out with the guys still on the southside. These fools are given their opinions but have no facts. He is a monster in and out of those ropes. Thanks Akron for giving facts.
...that's not a "huge size advantage" against someone who has fought their entire career bar this last fight at 168.
Joe's speed will negate Kelly's power...don't see it if you don't want to but sharp punching quick southpaws aren't anybody's favorite to fight and I don't think Kelly will be any different. As for Kelly's chin, where was that vs Taylor??? I mean everyone said "Jermain taylor can't punch" well he floored Pavlik and it wasn't a flash knockdown either
Your qualifier of "there is not a MIDDLEWEIGHT in the world that can stand and trade power shots with Kelly"....I think everyone agrees with that however, Joe Calzghe isn't a middleweight now is he? And Joe won't be standing and trading with him either will he? Joe will get Kelly to come at him in a wild wreckless manner and Joe will counter him and land better shots.
If Pavlik can carry his power up in weight, he stops Calzaghe in the mid-rounds
Pavlik has never fought a wild and reckless fight why start now. Kelly is a natural southpaw who fights right so he knows how to fight southpaws. Thats why he carries power in both hands.
....have you seen two southpaws fight and have an easy time of it???Quote:
Originally Posted by mexirican
he can carry power in a fucking wheel barrow for all I care, all I am saying is someone with quicker hands will beat him.
SPEED KILLS and whoever beats Kelly is going to be quick and precise and I can see Joe doing that....I could see a younger RJJ doing it better but hey you take what is given to you.
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Getting caught flush by power shots from Taylor and Calzaghe and night and day two different things. I took Pavlik by KO for the following reason, they are both come forward fighters, therefore they will both make contact, and I believe Joe has zero power left, Pavlik will walk through his punches. Will it be easy or pretty? Hell no. But I've said my peace Pavlik KO
I respect your opinion and all these forums are showing 1 consistant thing, that is it would be a great fight that needs to happen as does Cotto Mayweather
Joe is not a 1 punch power kind of guy, he's going to hurt you with speed and accumulation of punches. Sure it'll be different but Jermain wasn't even an accumulation puncher, he couldn't hurt Ouma but he floored Pavlik!Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Sure Pavlik-Calzaghe needs to happen...I am not sure it will happen but I hope it does. I'm not a fan of either guy but I would love to see them fight.
Kelly had a harder time with Taylor when Jermaine opted for a counterpunching smart fight. This is a Jermaine Taylor who was explosively heavy handed and could hurt Kelly.
On the other hand Super Joe is a come forward guy with speed but is not known for his punching power and get's caught with big right hands.
Come forward Joe + BIG right handed Kelly= Kayo win for Kelly
From a guy with the name PAVLIK....oh well you MUST have an honest unbiased opinion :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
How can I make it sound unbiased Lyle:confused:
You can't you're a fan and therefore you're skewed to favor your fighter.
Hey if people don't believe what I say about Wladimir Klitschko then good luck with them believing you about Kelly Pavlik ;D
I can see how Kelly could beat Calzaghe but I just think it's time for Kelly to lose and I think Joe's the guy to make him lose IF THEY FIGHT