Fire Poll: Pavlik-Calzaghe at 168 Who wins and how???

[El Kabong]

Here's what I see

Pavlik doesn't have the size advantage over Calzaghe, he doesn't have the speed, he only has the power....that's what Lacy had and that's what Kessler had and although I think Pavlik is better than both those guys I think his style and his handspeed leave him wide open for a guy with quick hands to counterpunch him ALL DAY LONG.


Calzaghe will move and counter and just eat Pavlik up....I think Kelly is a limited fighter when it comes to judging his skills other than his power. The BEST fighters Pavlik has beaten (Miranda and Taylor) were drawn into brawls and subsequently lost....Joe Calzaghe is too smart to be forced into a brawl and his hands are fast enough to do real damage to Pavlik.


Calzaghe wins by late stoppage....you can't fight the way Pavlik fights and stick around for a long time

[southakron314]

Here's what I see

Pavlik doesn't have the size advantage over Calzaghe, he doesn't have the speed, he only has the power....that's what Lacy had and that's what Kessler had and although I think Pavlik is better than both those guys I think his style and his handspeed leave him wide open for a guy with quick hands to counterpunch him ALL DAY LONG.


Calzaghe will move and counter and just eat Pavlik up....I think Kelly is a limited fighter when it comes to judging his skills other than his power. The BEST fighters Pavlik has beaten (Miranda and Taylor) were drawn into brawls and subsequently lost....Joe Calzaghe is too smart to be forced into a brawl and his hands are fast enough to do real damage to Pavlik.


Calzaghe wins by late stoppage....you can't fight the way Pavlik fights and stick around for a long time

You are kidding about the size I hope. Pavlik is a monster at 6'2.5" 76 inch wing span . He runs around 180 lbs between fights.He has a 25 inch arm length. Not to mention his power over him. His chin over him. He throws alot of punches and no one really has ever stood in and traded with him. You can say Miranda did for a while then he felt the power and was pushed back into the ropes. I think there is not a middle wieght in the world that can stand in and trade power shots with Kelly. He is a machine.

[mexirican]

Hey Akron of coarse were gonna stand up for Pavlik, u being close to the YO and I grew up and still live 2 streets down from his house. We were kids together running the same streets and trained down Southside myself. He hasn't changed a bit since "fame", still goes out with the guys still on the southside. These fools are given their opinions but have no facts. He is a monster in and out of those ropes. Thanks Akron for giving facts.

[El Kabong]

...that's not a "huge size advantage" against someone who has fought their entire career bar this last fight at 168.


Joe's speed will negate Kelly's power...don't see it if you don't want to but sharp punching quick southpaws aren't anybody's favorite to fight and I don't think Kelly will be any different. As for Kelly's chin, where was that vs Taylor I mean everyone said "Jermain taylor can't punch" well he floored Pavlik and it wasn't a flash knockdown either


Your qualifier of "there is not a MIDDLEWEIGHT in the world that can stand and trade power shots with Kelly"....I think everyone agrees with that however, Joe Calzghe isn't a middleweight now is he? And Joe won't be standing and trading with him either will he? Joe will get Kelly to come at him in a wild wreckless manner and Joe will counter him and land better shots.

[Violent Demise]

If Pavlik can carry his power up in weight, he stops Calzaghe in the mid-rounds

[JLAQ]

If Pavlik can carry his power up in weight, he stops Calzaghe in the mid-rounds

LOL are you serious?

[mexirican]

Pavlik has never fought a wild and reckless fight why start now. Kelly is a natural southpaw who fights right so he knows how to fight southpaws. Thats why he carries power in both hands.

[El Kabong]

Pavlik has never fought a wild and reckless fight why start now. Kelly is a natural southpaw who fights right so he knows how to fight southpaws. Thats why he carries power in both hands.

....have you seen two southpaws fight and have an easy time of it


he can carry power in a fucking wheel barrow for all I care, all I am saying is someone with quicker hands will beat him.

SPEED KILLS and whoever beats Kelly is going to be quick and precise and I can see Joe doing that....I could see a younger RJJ doing it better but hey you take what is given to you.

[mexirican]

I respect your opinion and all these forums are showing 1 consistant thing, that is it would be a great fight that needs to happen as does Cotto Mayweather

[killersheep]

...that's not a "huge size advantage" against someone who has fought their entire career bar this last fight at 168.


Joe's speed will negate Kelly's power...don't see it if you don't want to but sharp punching quick southpaws aren't anybody's favorite to fight and I don't think Kelly will be any different. As for Kelly's chin, where was that vs Taylor I mean everyone said "Jermain taylor can't punch" well he floored Pavlik and it wasn't a flash knockdown either


Your qualifier of "there is not a MIDDLEWEIGHT in the world that can stand and trade power shots with Kelly"....I think everyone agrees with that however, Joe Calzghe isn't a middleweight now is he? And Joe won't be standing and trading with him either will he? Joe will get Kelly to come at him in a wild wreckless manner and Joe will counter him and land better shots.

Getting caught flush by power shots from Taylor and Calzaghe and night and day two different things. I took Pavlik by KO for the following reason, they are both come forward fighters, therefore they will both make contact, and I believe Joe has zero power left, Pavlik will walk through his punches. Will it be easy or pretty? Hell no. But I've said my peace Pavlik KO

[El Kabong]

Getting caught flush by power shots from Taylor and Calzaghe and night and day two different things. I took Pavlik by KO for the following reason, they are both come forward fighters, therefore they will both make contact, and I believe Joe has zero power left, Pavlik will walk through his punches. Will it be easy or pretty? Hell no. But I've said my peace Pavlik KO

Joe is not a 1 punch power kind of guy, he's going to hurt you with speed and accumulation of punches. Sure it'll be different but Jermain wasn't even an accumulation puncher, he couldn't hurt Ouma but he floored Pavlik!


Sure Pavlik-Calzaghe needs to happen...I am not sure it will happen but I hope it does. I'm not a fan of either guy but I would love to see them fight.

[Pavlik]

Kelly had a harder time with Taylor when Jermaine opted for a counterpunching smart fight. This is a Jermaine Taylor who was explosively heavy handed and could hurt Kelly.
On the other hand Super Joe is a come forward guy with speed but is not known for his punching power and get's caught with big right hands.

Come forward Joe + BIG right handed Kelly= Kayo win for Kelly

[El Kabong]

Kelly had a harder time with Taylor when Jermaine opted for a counterpunching smart fight. This is a Jermaine Taylor who was explosively heavy handed and could hurt Kelly.
On the other hand Super Joe is a come forward guy with speed but is not known for his punching power and get's caught with big right hands.

Come forward Joe + BIG right handed Kelly= Kayo win for Kelly

From a guy with the name PAVLIK....oh well you MUST have an honest unbiased opinion

[Deanrw]

Getting caught flush by power shots from Taylor and Calzaghe and night and day two different things. I took Pavlik by KO for the following reason, they are both come forward fighters, therefore they will both make contact, and I believe Joe has zero power left, Pavlik will walk through his punches. Will it be easy or pretty? Hell no. But I've said my peace Pavlik KO

Joe is not a 1 punch power kind of guy, he's going to hurt you with speed and accumulation of punches. Sure it'll be different but Jermain wasn't even an accumulation puncher, he couldn't hurt Ouma but he floored Pavlik!


Sure Pavlik-Calzaghe needs to happen...I am not sure it will happen but I hope it does. I'm not a fan of either guy but I would love to see them fight.

Jermain has always had good power, but was always reluctant to engage and use it. Kelly forced him to use his power as he would not get out of his face. You can tell the way Taylor throws he has some good steam in his shots. Damn I wished he fought every fight like that.