To me Calzaghe still ain't that good.

Would he have beaten a peak Roy Jones at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak James Toney at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Gerald McClellan at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Steve Collins at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Nigel Benn at super middle ?

I doubt it he would have beaten any of them, certainly not the 1st three. How good is he ? I still don't think he's that great, good, but not great. He beat Kessler (over rated) Lacy (over rated). For me he needs to beat one of Pavlik, Taylor, Hopkins or Winky Wright
He never really beaten a really BADDDDD fighter IMO. A real marquee fighter.

Would he have beaten a peak Roy Jones at super middle ? Hell no
Would he have beaten a peak James Toney at super middle ? No
Would he have beaten a peak Gerald McClellan at super middle ? No
Would he have beaten a peak Steve Collins at super middle ? Yes. Easily
Would he have beaten a peak Nigel Benn at super middle ? Yes

I knew i would hear that kessler was overrated after this fight. I knew it.

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Would he have beaten a peak James Toney at super middle ? No
Would he have beaten a peak Gerald McClellan at super middle ? No
Would he have beaten a peak Steve Collins at super middle ? Yes. Easily
Would he have beaten a peak Nigel Benn at super middle ? Yes

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Spot on VD , Calzaghe is a fine fighter , but he wouldnt have lived with Toney/Mcclellen /Jones
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Would he have beaten a peak Roy Jones at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak James Toney at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Gerald McClellan at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Steve Collins at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Nigel Benn at super middle ?

I doubt it he would have beaten any of them, certainly not the 1st three. How good is he ? I still don't think he's that great, good, but not great. He beat Kessler (over rated) Lacy (over rated). For me he needs to beat one of Pavlik, Taylor, Hopkins or Winky Wright
He never really beaten a really BADDDDD fighter IMO. A real marquee fighter.

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I see your point but McClellan never won a fight at SuperMiddle. Not properly anyway. In fact, as big a puncher as G-Man was he only beat Jackson (big punch shaky chin) and a spent Mugabi.

As for the others....
Jones. Probably not, but I doubt that any other SM could have. No shame in that.
Toney? Yes!!! His only win at SM was against Barkley who was KO'd in ONE by Benn.
Didn't Collins relinquish his title rather than face Calzahge?
Benn was/is one of my all time favourites. I watched so many of his fights live and so many on TV. I really think that a prime Joe C would dismantle a prime Benn. It's close but we'll never know.

I know that you think people are all overhyped over Calzaghes' win tonight but thats the nature of people. let it go.

Calzaghe could beat Benn easily but would lose to McClennan?

I have been a massive crititc of Calzaghe in the past but I eould give him a good chance against any middlewright past, present or future.

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Would he have beaten a peak Roy Jones at super middle ? Hell no - I agree
Would he have beaten a peak James Toney at super middle ? No - Toney wasn't peak at SM
Would he have beaten a peak Gerald McClellan at super middle ? No - G-Man only beat chinny fighters.
Would he have beaten a peak Steve Collins at super middle ? Yes. Easily - Probably
Would he have beaten a peak Nigel Benn at super middle ? Yes - Almost certainly

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Kessler was not over rated, make no mistake about that. But i do question some of calzaghes ability now. Its his technique that throws me off. I just think there are some good fighters still out there with different styles that will be able to brawl with calzaghe and take his power and hurt him in the process. Saying that i think theres slick boxers out there who can still give him a run for his money. Like ive said, congrats and this is a great feat but theres still big fights to be made and to me im not totally sold on him just yet. A couple more fights and i will be.

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Would he have beaten a peak Roy Jones at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak James Toney at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Gerald McClellan at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Steve Collins at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Nigel Benn at super middle ?

I doubt it he would have beaten any of them, certainly not the 1st three. How good is he ? I still don't think he's that great, good, but not great. He beat Kessler (over rated) Lacy (over rated). For me he needs to beat one of Pavlik, Taylor, Hopkins or Winky Wright
He never really beaten a really BADDDDD fighter IMO. A real marquee fighter.

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I see your point but McClellan never won a fight at SuperMiddle. Not properly anyway. In fact, as big a puncher as G-Man was he only beat Jackson (big punch shaky chin) and a spent Mugabi.

As for the others....
Jones. Probably not, but I doubt that any other SM could have. No shame in that.
Toney? Yes!!! His only win at SM was against Barkley who was KO'd in ONE by Benn.
Didn't Collins relinquish his title rather than face Calzahge?
Benn was/is one of my all time favourites. I watched so many of his fights live and so many on TV. I really think that a prime Joe C would dismantle a prime Benn. It's close but we'll never know.

I know that you think people are all overhyped over Calzaghes' win tonight but thats the nature of people. let it go.

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Collins was sparked out unconscious when sparring for his fight v Calzaghe (Howard Eastman?) and realised that he was past it.

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Would he have beaten a peak Roy Jones at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak James Toney at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Gerald McClellan at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Steve Collins at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Nigel Benn at super middle ?

I doubt it he would have beaten any of them, certainly not the 1st three. How good is he ? I still don't think he's that great, good, but not great. He beat Kessler (over rated) Lacy (over rated). For me he needs to beat one of Pavlik, Taylor, Hopkins or Winky Wright
He never really beaten a really BADDDDD fighter IMO. A real marquee fighter.

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I see your point but McClellan never won a fight at SuperMiddle. Not properly anyway. In fact, as big a puncher as G-Man was he only beat Jackson (big punch shaky chin) and a spent Mugabi.

As for the others....
Jones. Probably not, but I doubt that any other SM could have. No shame in that.
Toney? Yes!!! His only win at SM was against Barkley who was KO'd in ONE by Benn.
Didn't Collins relinquish his title rather than face Calzahge?
Benn was/is one of my all time favourites. I watched so many of his fights live and so many on TV. I really think that a prime Joe C would dismantle a prime Benn. It's close but we'll never know.

I know that you think people are all overhyped over Calzaghes' win tonight but thats the nature of people. let it go.

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Collins was sparked out unconscious when sparring for his fight v Calzaghe (Howard Eastman?) and realised that he was past it.

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Would he have beaten a peak Roy Jones at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak James Toney at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Gerald McClellan at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Steve Collins at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Nigel Benn at super middle ?

I doubt it he would have beaten any of them, certainly not the 1st three. How good is he ? I still don't think he's that great, good, but not great. He beat Kessler (over rated) Lacy (over rated). For me he needs to beat one of Pavlik, Taylor, Hopkins or Winky Wright
He never really beaten a really BADDDDD fighter IMO. A real marquee fighter.

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I see your point but McClellan never won a fight at SuperMiddle. Not properly anyway. In fact, as big a puncher as G-Man was he only beat Jackson (big punch shaky chin) and a spent Mugabi.

As for the others....
Jones. Probably not, but I doubt that any other SM could have. No shame in that.
Toney? Yes!!! His only win at SM was against Barkley who was KO'd in ONE by Benn.
Didn't Collins relinquish his title rather than face Calzahge?
Benn was/is one of my all time favourites. I watched so many of his fights live and so many on TV. I really think that a prime Joe C would dismantle a prime Benn. It's close but we'll never know.

I know that you think people are all overhyped over Calzaghes' win tonight but thats the nature of people. let it go.

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Collins was sparked out unconscious when sparring for his fight v Calzaghe (Howard Eastman?) and realised that he was past it.

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Why didn't you highlight the first D of Didn't :nono:

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Would he have beaten a peak Roy Jones at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak James Toney at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Gerald McClellan at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Steve Collins at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Nigel Benn at super middle ?

I doubt it he would have beaten any of them, certainly not the 1st three. How good is he ? I still don't think he's that great, good, but not great. He beat Kessler (over rated) Lacy (over rated). For me he needs to beat one of Pavlik, Taylor, Hopkins or Winky Wright
He never really beaten a really BADDDDD fighter IMO. A real marquee fighter.

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I see your point but McClellan never won a fight at SuperMiddle. Not properly anyway. In fact, as big a puncher as G-Man was he only beat Jackson (big punch shaky chin) and a spent Mugabi.

As for the others....
Jones. Probably not, but I doubt that any other SM could have. No shame in that.
Toney? Yes!!! His only win at SM was against Barkley who was KO'd in ONE by Benn.
Didn't Collins relinquish his title rather than face Calzahge?
Benn was/is one of my all time favourites. I watched so many of his fights live and so many on TV. I really think that a prime Joe C would dismantle a prime Benn. It's close but we'll never know.

I know that you think people are all overhyped over Calzaghes' win tonight but thats the nature of people. let it go.

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Collins was sparked out unconscious when sparring for his fight v Calzaghe (Howard Eastman?) and realised that he was past it.

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Why do people rate Collins so highly? He was a limited fighter who beat a shot Benn. Jones, Calzaghe, Toney, McClellan, Kessler all destroy him. I wouldn't be surprise if Manfredo gave him a run for his money. Collins was a mediocre fighter. Nothing more

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Would he have beaten a peak Roy Jones at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak James Toney at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Gerald McClellan at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Steve Collins at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Nigel Benn at super middle ?

I doubt it he would have beaten any of them, certainly not the 1st three. How good is he ? I still don't think he's that great, good, but not great. He beat Kessler (over rated) Lacy (over rated). For me he needs to beat one of Pavlik, Taylor, Hopkins or Winky Wright
He never really beaten a really BADDDDD fighter IMO. A real marquee fighter.

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I see your point but McClellan never won a fight at SuperMiddle. Not properly anyway. In fact, as big a puncher as G-Man was he only beat Jackson (big punch shaky chin) and a spent Mugabi.

As for the others....
Jones. Probably not, but I doubt that any other SM could have. No shame in that.
Toney? Yes!!! His only win at SM was against Barkley who was KO'd in ONE by Benn.
Didn't Collins relinquish his title rather than face Calzahge?
Benn was/is one of my all time favourites. I watched so many of his fights live and so many on TV. I really think that a prime Joe C would dismantle a prime Benn. It's close but we'll never know.

I know that you think people are all overhyped over Calzaghes' win tonight but thats the nature of people. let it go.

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Collins was sparked out unconscious when sparring for his fight v Calzaghe (Howard Eastman?) and realised that he was past it.

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Why didn't you highlight the first D of Didn't :nono:

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Why do people rate Collins so highly? He was a limited fighter who beat a shot Benn. Jones, Calzaghe, Toney, McClellan, Kessler all destroy him. I wouldn't be surprise if Manfredo gave him a run for his money. Collins was a mediocre fighter. Nothing more

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I followed Collins throughout his career. It was strange. In Boston he was a cutie, then he lost to the Body Snatcher in a respectable bout, returned to the British Isles. It wasn't until the Chris Pyatt fight that he turned into a brawler.

I agree with you that He beat a shot Benn, but he did beat a decent Eubank - although Eubank was struggling a little at 168 by then.

I do think he's better than mediocre but I'm not as harsh as you are. However, he wasn't that good.

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Would he have beaten a peak Roy Jones at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak James Toney at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Gerald McClellan at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Steve Collins at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Nigel Benn at super middle ?

I doubt it he would have beaten any of them, certainly not the 1st three. How good is he ? I still don't think he's that great, good, but not great. He beat Kessler (over rated) Lacy (over rated). For me he needs to beat one of Pavlik, Taylor, Hopkins or Winky Wright
He never really beaten a really BADDDDD fighter IMO. A real marquee fighter.

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I see your point but McClellan never won a fight at SuperMiddle. Not properly anyway. In fact, as big a puncher as G-Man was he only beat Jackson (big punch shaky chin) and a spent Mugabi.

As for the others....
Jones. Probably not, but I doubt that any other SM could have. No shame in that.
Toney? Yes!!! His only win at SM was against Barkley who was KO'd in ONE by Benn.
Didn't Collins relinquish his title rather than face Calzahge?
Benn was/is one of my all time favourites. I watched so many of his fights live and so many on TV. I really think that a prime Joe C would dismantle a prime Benn. It's close but we'll never know.

I know that you think people are all overhyped over Calzaghes' win tonight but thats the nature of people. let it go.

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Collins lost to McCallum - Johnson - Kalambay - then he becomes wolrd champ lol
Eubank was struggling at SM , Benn had to many wars , he ducked Calzaghe , Collins was strong and durable thats all he had.Not forgetting his WBO middle win over Chris Pyatt lol

Collins was sparked out unconscious when sparring for his fight v Calzaghe (Howard Eastman?) and realised that he was past it.

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Why do people rate Collins so highly? He was a limited fighter who beat a shot Benn. Jones, Calzaghe, Toney, McClellan, Kessler all destroy him. I wouldn't be surprise if Manfredo gave him a run for his money. Collins was a mediocre fighter. Nothing more

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Would he have beaten a peak Roy Jones at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak James Toney at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Gerald McClellan at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Steve Collins at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Nigel Benn at super middle ?

I doubt it he would have beaten any of them, certainly not the 1st three. How good is he ? I still don't think he's that great, good, but not great. He beat Kessler (over rated) Lacy (over rated). For me he needs to beat one of Pavlik, Taylor, Hopkins or Winky Wright
He never really beaten a really BADDDDD fighter IMO. A real marquee fighter.

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I see your point but McClellan never won a fight at SuperMiddle. Not properly anyway. In fact, as big a puncher as G-Man was he only beat Jackson (big punch shaky chin) and a spent Mugabi.

As for the others....
Jones. Probably not, but I doubt that any other SM could have. No shame in that.
Toney? Yes!!! His only win at SM was against Barkley who was KO'd in ONE by Benn.
Didn't Collins relinquish his title rather than face Calzahge?
Benn was/is one of my all time favourites. I watched so many of his fights live and so many on TV. I really think that a prime Joe C would dismantle a prime Benn. It's close but we'll never know.

I know that you think people are all overhyped over Calzaghes' win tonight but thats the nature of people. let it go.

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Collins was sparked out unconscious when sparring for his fight v Calzaghe (Howard Eastman?) and realised that he was past it.

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Why do people rate Collins so highly? He was a limited fighter who beat a shot Benn. Jones, Calzaghe, Toney, McClellan, Kessler all destroy him. I wouldn't be surprise if Manfredo gave him a run for his money. Collins was a mediocre fighter. Nothing more

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I followed Collins throughout his career. It was strange. In Boston he was a cutie, then he lost to the Body Snatcher in a respectable bout, returned to the British Isles. It wasn't until the Chris Pyatt fight that he turned into a brawler.

I agree with you that He beat a shot Benn, but he did beat a decent Eubank - although Eubank was struggling a little at 168 by then.

I do think he's better than mediocre but I'm not as harsh as you are. However, he wasn't that good.

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I said Manfredo gives Collins a run for his money. But I do think Collins does enough to pull out the close, highly controversial SD win. You see I got Collins winning

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Would he have beaten a peak James Toney at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Gerald McClellan at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Steve Collins at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Nigel Benn at super middle ?

I doubt it he would have beaten any of them, certainly not the 1st three. How good is he ? I still don't think he's that great, good, but not great. He beat Kessler (over rated) Lacy (over rated). For me he needs to beat one of Pavlik, Taylor, Hopkins or Winky Wright
He never really beaten a really BADDDDD fighter IMO. A real marquee fighter.

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Yawn I wondered how long that it would be before The Kessler is/was over rated song was gonna be sung...and for a moment there bud I thought you was saying Winky was one of the men that Joe should fight and beat to impress you....

No I just read it again AND YOU ACTUALY DO SUGGEST WINKY, :lolhaha:are you mad bud....seriously tho, do you mean the same Winky that helped Lacy in sparring to prepare for the Calzaghe fight, too small too slow, not enough versatility to cope with Joe....Even Benn himself suggested that Joe would have topped them all had he fought in that era....Collins would not have coped with him, not quick enough or skillfull enough and he could not intimidate Joe either....

Like Mayweather, Joe could fight till he was a 100 years old and would still get people saying, well he only retired to avoid this or that fighter....it's opinions aint it bud, and thats life, but for my part I have to say that Joe has done all asked of him, he has been avoided far far more than he has ever avoided,and though it is only my opinion some of the fighters you mention as benchmarks by which Joe should be measured against are insulting to the New Undisputed Super Middle Weight & Old Age Slapper From Wales....

Joe Calzaghe is without doubt the real deal at super mid in his era......Fact, his stats, titles and longevity through his era are testament to that...

So love him or hate him....lets give him is dues, he's a bit special is Joe and really should be deserving now of all respect....

Long Live The King,
:badass: :boxing2: :britain: :badass:

These guys had a combine record of 82-0 and have both fought and beat all the top contenders at super middleweight dominating most of the opposition and both these guys are overratted? Mikkel Kessler lost to the longest reigning champion in the weight divisions history in a competitive fight and he overratted. Clearly you have missed 39 of his fights. You could argue that before last night he has lost less than five rounds in is career. Also Joe would have faired well against all of those guy. I think he could even give Jones a good close fight but probably lose a decision.

The only Middleweight Clazaghe couldnt beat is Roy Jones Junior,who was superman. Other than Jones,JC gives most of the rest a battering. As for the other names,JC would absolutely WRECK Winky and JT and would beat Pavlik imo(although Kelly is a dangerous task for anyone!)

Why aint i suprised at this thread ::**

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Would he have beaten a peak Roy Jones at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak James Toney at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Gerald McClellan at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Steve Collins at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Nigel Benn at super middle ?

I doubt it he would have beaten any of them, certainly not the 1st three. How good is he ? I still don't think he's that great, good, but not great. He beat Kessler (over rated) Lacy (over rated). For me he needs to beat one of Pavlik, Taylor, Hopkins or Winky Wright
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Tony would be a 50/50 fight.Could go ether way.

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what you mean an old past it hopkins... and 2 lower weight fighters ;D ;) ;D

joe could beat any of them expect jones.

mclellan only had one fight at 168 and lost. calzaghe beats him decision

toney would be a real hard fight for joe. could go either way.

joe beats colins decision.

benn would be tough but calzaghe would box him to decision

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what you mean an old past it hopkins... and 2 lower weight fighters ;D ;) ;D

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well i forgot to mention that he would have to have one arm tied behind his back too ;)

I went in last night supporting calzaghi, by the 7th round was cheering for kesslar. If kesslar throw some more punches he could of won the fight as joe was scared of his power. After the forth round battering calzaghi recieved he was running for the rest of the fight, spoiling kesslars boxing, but all credit goes to joe as thats not an easy thing to do. The 12th round said it all for me, when kesslar went for broke joe couldnt handle the heat, only if he did that for the last 3-4 rounds of the fight and we may have seen a different scoreline.

Concering calzaghi with older greats, would have beat ben, collins etc. Toney close fight

BUT Roy Jones would have given Calzaghi a WHOOPING of a lifetime. Calzaghi depends on his boxing skill when in trouble and is better than most at it, but Roy Jones was a boxing perfectionist on par with Floyd Mayweather, and had knockout power too. No contest Roy Jones.

I was singing Joes praises before the fight but have lost a little respect since, if he were to beat hopkins, and either pavlik, taylor or winky - i would class him as one of the very best fighters ever.

Can't believe i am posting in this joke of a thread but anyway.....

Mikay you have spelt both of last nights boxers' names wrong.....enough said.

Anyway

Calzaghe would have beaten everyone including Toney who only really beat one guy at 168 so going by that it's a bit difficult damm right foolish to predict he would beat Cazlaghe who was been unbeaten at 168 for over a decade.

As for Roy Jones.....he wasn't superman - he was awesome but to say Jones wins this fight easily is absolute nonsense. It would be a close fight. All i will say is.... Roy Jones would have struggled with Calzaghe coming at him and it would have made for an interesting fight.

Anyway to reel off a list of names who you stupidly believe would beat Calzaghe every time he whoops ass is just downright disrespectful.

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Would he have beaten a peak Roy Jones at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak James Toney at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Gerald McClellan at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Steve Collins at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Nigel Benn at super middle ?

I doubt it he would have beaten any of them, certainly not the 1st three. How good is he ? I still don't think he's that great, good, but not great. He beat Kessler (over rated) Lacy (over rated). For me he needs to beat one of Pavlik, Taylor, Hopkins or Winky Wright
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LOL

Nobody has hated on Joey C quite like me and check this out

Rjj - No

Toney- No

Mclellan - Close, but prob not

Collins Hell yes would have killed him

Benn - Would have shut him out

Lacy - Pre prime but a great win and the legit champ at the time so.. As far as the fact he has now won all four belts and legitimately.. That makes him the true ibf champ cos he beat the ibf man,
If i had the choice a win over lacy means more then the win over bute..

Kessler - OVERRATED? Fekkk no!!

Kessler showed alot of heart and skill , and it didnt come close enough
it was a hell diverse intense exciting matchup and joe passed with flying colours

So supermiddle who else is there?

Hes beaten all the lower tier challengers.. Manfredo is a credible challenger , not a test for a p4p'er but hes still easy top ten, Sakio is right up there

and Kessler was a legit champ, unified tried and tested, beaten mundine, beyer who regardless of factors was still a legit champ, beaten librado who was the most legit challenger in the division and whitewashed him

among all this who hes beaten and who his opponents have taken out hes done 168 hands down and got the pretty shiny belts to prove it..

And for the likes of moving up pavlik and taylor

WELL

Pavlik is not good enough a boxer

Pavlik wore down taylor because taylor was aggressive and had been unentertaining and underestimated pavlik.. all pav has is his power and range, hes not fast enough and joe has too many angles for pavlik

And as far as jermain goes, hes fully capable of winning a rematch but if he should fight joe all he had against the likes of spinks was busyness but it was clear that if spinks were busier he was able to outbox jermain.. joe is far too busy and fast/ well crafted enough to whitewash taylor no question..

Its gotta be hopkins

Personally, I think that only one of those five guys in their prime would have beaten Joe, and that is Roy Jones Jnr, but I think Calzaghe would have given even RJJ a good workout for his victory.

The rest of them would struggle, and I think Benn and McClellan might have been beaten fairly badly.
I can imagine a similar thread to this popping up even if Hatton KO'd Mayweather in three rounds next month, some people just love to hate.

Why do so many think McClellan would beat Calzaghe? McClellan had some boxing skills, but seldom chose to use them. Joe boxes his socks off for a wide UD. I do think Jones would win, but did a prime Jones ever fight anyone as good and unorthodox as Calzaghe? His most notable wins were over a green Hopkins and a drained Toney. He wins, but it's a 7-5 type of fight; he doesn't run away with it. A fight with Toney is a coin toss. Which Toney shows up? If he's at his peak, I think he beats Joe because at his peak Toney is one of the best counter punchers of all-time. If he comes in drained like he did against Jones, he loses UD.

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Originally Posted by Saddo

Why aint i suprised at this thread ::**

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The thread starter is a lone voice at the moment, give it a week all the usual suspects and PHONEY Kessler fans will have joined him.

I think i must be one of the guys who really gives Joe Calzaghe the most S.H.I.T , but i have to say he is a top fighter and would not disgrace himself againest any fighter .
But if he had fought Collins he would be doing time for murder :)

I really can't believe the shit that gets posted on here sometimes. Big sad click to the OP. What the hell can Calzaghe do to prove that he is probably the most gifted SMW in the sports history. Look clearly at what he has displayed. He has unbelievable hand speed, a great defence and clearly a granite chin and all backed up with plenty of power, especially earlier in his career. Even RJJ at his peak would at best have won a very close points decision. Toney?, you fucking idiot ::** I like Calzaghe as a fighter, even if I believe he has been a bit slow to make the big fights, but one thing is clear to me, at 35 he has to be past his peak by a fair bit, yet still is able to win very well against somebody of Kessler's class.

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Originally Posted by hackey100

I really can't believe the shit that gets posted on here sometimes. Big sad click to the OP. What the hell can Calzaghe do to prove that he is probably the most gifted SMW in the sports history. Look clearly at what he has displayed. He has unbelievable hand speed, a great defence and clearly a granite chin and all backed up with plenty of power, especially earlier in his career. Even RJJ at his peak would at best have won a very close points decision. Toney?, you fucking idiot ::** I like Calzaghe as a fighter, even if I believe he has been a bit slow to make the big fights, but one thing is clear to me, at 35 he has to be past his peak by a fair bit, yet still is able to win very well against somebody of Kessler's class.

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How does posing the question of toney make him an idiot?

The subject as a whole does..

But if you disregard toney then you havent done your homework

Would he have beaten a peak Roy Jones at super middle ?..No One and I Repeat NO ONE beats Roy Jones at Super Middleweight

Would he have beaten a peak James Toney at super middle ? Possible..Depends on which James Toney Showed up
Would he have beaten a peak Gerald McClellan at super middle ?Not Geralds best weight...I see Joe taking a decision

Would he have beaten a peak Steve Collins at super middle ?Yes

Would he have beaten a peak Nigel Benn at super middle ?Benn would look good early but with the amount of punches Joe throws Benn's chin would eventually crack

I think people think of Roy Jones as a Ali of 168 and he only had a few fights there and Tony was good not unbeatable. I think Joe would have a chance to beat both of them lets not forget that a past it prime Joe made Kess look like a fool I doubt past it Roy or Tony could. Who knows Hell i will go with Joe to win i not following the coward i think Joe can pull off a win against both not like i can be proved wrong so what the hell.

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Originally Posted by sexydarin

I knew i would hear that kessler was overrated after this fight. I knew it.

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I will be damned.
I never thought I would hear this one but yet here it is.

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Originally Posted by Mr140

I think people think of Roy Jones as a Ali of 168 and he only had a few fights there and Tony was good not unbeatable. I think Joe would have a chance to beat both of them lets not forget that a past it prime Joe made Kess look like a fool I doubt past it Roy or Tony could. Who knows Hell i will go with Joe to win i not following the coward i think Joe can pull off a win against both not like i can be proved wrong so what the hell.

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He was the Ali of 168...No he was not at 168 a long time and that much is clear but during the time he was there Jones was truly amazing,, He lacked in no department, Speed, power, name it he had it and not just a bit of it.....

To be honest,I don't see many threads like this being started,I mean Big Al and VD were the most vocal v JC ad even they have given credit to him. If they can,ANYONE can!

Its a disgrace to be slagging Calzaghe off after last nights performance. He dominated LAcy and Kessler, two fighters many people fancied to beat Calzaghe.

Its just a shame that he has chosen to take the big fights at such a late stage in his career. If he beats Hopkins there can surely be no question marks over his ability.