some people are getting it VERY WRONG.

hi all,

i have been quiet about this subject for awhile but enough is enough. when mayweather clearly beat oscar de la hoya, i was hearing stuff like, it was a close fight, it was a split decision which was absolutely disgusting. worst yet, even fighters thought it was a close fight, guys like ricky hatton.

at most i gave ODH 3 rounds. if you know abit about boxing and defense, then you'll know oscar was hardly landing anything when he threw a flurry, and was rocked by a counter right, so he became abit shy after that. but ppl like ricky hatton, seem to think that it was a close fight. IT WAS NOT. and those that say it was just dont know anything about boxing.

yes i'll agree the rounds were tense, and could of gone either way at times, but mayweathers defense was too much.

and on saturday i predicted calzaghe would outpoint kessler, he would out work him.

that wasnt the story for the first 7 rounds atleast. in round 4 kessler rocked calzaghe pretty bad, he looked in control. i WAS EXTREMLY SHOCKED AT HOW KESSLER COULD STAY WITH CALZAGHE PUNCH FOR PUNCH. mikkel was even beating joe to the jab many a times.

after round 7, calzaghe started using the hit and run tactics, great tactics to win a fight, especially if ur fast like calzaghe or a mayweather did against de la hoya.

kessler was getting of with wicked combos, rocked calzaghe on numerous occasions, i was also impressed with joe's chin, very strong. anyone lesser would have gone down.

after round 8, kessler seemed too tired, calzaghe basically outworked him, kessler fought in spurts, when he did, he was effective, i HAVE NEVER SEEN A FIGHTER GET OF WITH COMBOS ON JOE LIKE KESSLER, NOT EVEN EUBANK. HE WAS LANDING HIS JAB AND HIS ACCURACY WAS AWESOME.

yes he lost the fight but people are saying, he dominated, the papers said it was an easy UD. no it wasnt. and in a rematch in copehagen, kessler has a HUUUUGE chance of winning.

if anyone knows kessler then please tell him to not get worried about this loss, it was against a great fighter, and he lost in style. he is a great fighter.

basically what i wanted to get clear was....mayweather - de la hoya fight should not have been scored closely, mayweather clearly won.

and kessler put up A GREAT GREAT FIGHT against calzaghe, his hands were up and he was able to keep up with joe throuhout, he will be back and unify the division. i think joe was afraid of kesslers power. a few times he thought about theowing his slapping flurries but was always caught and rocked, so he decided to use his hit and run, an occasional flurry.

kessler is an awesome fighter.

I haven't seen one article, news report or even poster on this forum saying it was an easy UD. I think that's a voice in your head mate.

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Originally Posted by Lionheart Lacy

hi all,

i have been quiet about this subject for awhile but enough is enough. when mayweather clearly beat oscar de la hoya, i was hearing stuff like, it was a close fight, it was a split decision which was absolutely disgusting. worst yet, even fighters thought it was a close fight, guys like ricky hatton.

at most i gave ODH 3 rounds. if you know abit about boxing and defense, then you'll know oscar was hardly landing anything when he threw a flurry, and was rocked by a counter right, so he became abit shy after that. but ppl like ricky hatton, seem to think that it was a close fight. IT WAS NOT. and those that say it was just dont know anything about boxing.

yes i'll agree the rounds were tense, and could of gone either way at times, but mayweathers defense was too much.

and on saturday i predicted calzaghe would outpoint kessler, he would out work him.

that wasnt the story for the first 7 rounds atleast. in round 4 kessler rocked calzaghe pretty bad, he looked in control. i WAS EXTREMLY SHOCKED AT HOW KESSLER COULD STAY WITH CALZAGHE PUNCH FOR PUNCH. mikkel was even beating joe to the jab many a times.

after round 7, calzaghe started using the hit and run tactics, great tactics to win a fight, especially if ur fast like calzaghe or a mayweather did against de la hoya.

kessler was getting of with wicked combos, rocked calzaghe on numerous occasions, i was also impressed with joe's chin, very strong. anyone lesser would have gone down.

after round 8, kessler seemed too tired, calzaghe basically outworked him, kessler fought in spurts, when he did, he was effective, i HAVE NEVER SEEN A FIGHTER GET OF WITH COMBOS ON JOE LIKE KESSLER, NOT EVEN EUBANK. HE WAS LANDING HIS JAB AND HIS ACCURACY WAS AWESOME.

yes he lost the fight but people are saying, he dominated, the papers said it was an easy UD. no it wasnt. and in a rematch in copehagen, kessler has a HUUUUGE chance of winning.

if anyone knows kessler then please tell him to not get worried about this loss, it was against a great fighter, and he lost in style. he is a great fighter.

basically what i wanted to get clear was....mayweather - de la hoya fight should not have been scored closely, mayweather clearly won.

and kessler put up A GREAT GREAT FIGHT against calzaghe, his hands were up and he was able to keep up with joe throuhout, he will be back and unify the division. i think joe was afraid of kesslers power. a few times he thought about theowing his slapping flurries but was always caught and rocked, so he decided to use his hit and run, an occasional flurry.

kessler is an awesome fighter.

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Sorry dude, but if you agree the rounds were close, then how can you say he clearly beat him? Surely if the rounds were close there is room for opinion either way?

I had Mayweather winning, but only by a point. It was close, but I knew he'd won.

It was a great fight, but your right it wasn't the one sided domination Mayweather put on Oscar... that was a boxing clinic, and though it didn't look like it conventionally people have to realize Mayweather is so much smaller without very much power at this weight class, and he has to carry the added weight, but he still dodged almost everything Oscar threw, and Oscar had quick hands in this fight.

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at most i gave ODH 3 rounds.
The fact is that the three professional judges scored the fight a lot more evenly over rules any opinions you or I might have, on fight night, we do not matter, the judges make the decision.

if you know abit about boxing and defense, then you'll know oscar was hardly landing anything when he threw a flurry, and was rocked by a counter right, so he became abit shy after that.
Oscars own defense was excellent that night, couple that with Floyd slow punch output and you will see that Floyd landed very little also.

but ppl like ricky hatton, seem to think that it was a close fight. IT WAS NOT. and those that say it was just dont know anything about boxing.
I personally would be of the opinion that with a record of 43-0-0 (31), Ricky Hatton knows plenty about boxing.

yes i'll agree the rounds were tense, and could of gone either way at times, but mayweathers defense was too much.
basically what i wanted to get clear was....mayweather - de la hoya fight should not have been scored closely, mayweather clearly won.
Defense is not enough.
Judges often operate of a 4-way system on which they base their analysis of the fight and subsequently their scoring.
The four sections they analyse are:
1)Clean Punching
2)Ring Generalship
3)Defence
4)Effective Aggresion.

1) The clean punching went to Floyd, as always he punched beautifully when he decided to counterattack
2) The Ring Generalship was evenly dispersed, Oscar cut off the ring well, Floyd moved well.
3) Defence was to Floyd of course altho DLH was masterful also.
4) This went to Oscar, fighting in spurts which he converted well to scoring punches.

It's not like the amateur where it's entirely punch based, in the pros a punch on the gloves may be as effective as those landed on the head, it's all debatable and as iv said no matter how we debate it, we will be ignored as on fight night only the judges opinions matter.

In all honesty I thought Kessler was landing more effectively,Joe threw alot more,but it didnt look like he landed much of it.But frankly Joe knew the situation,he was on his home turf.
But Lacy is right,by the 5th they were allready talking about Joe/Bhop,thats how one sided they made it sound,when in all honesty,if it was on neutral ground you could make a strong case Kessler won it.
Regardless,it was a great fight,and congrats to both fighters

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at most i gave ODH 3 rounds.
The fact is that the three professional judges scored the fight a lot more evenly over rules any opinions you or I might have, on fight night, we do not matter, the judges make the decision.

if you know abit about boxing and defense, then you'll know oscar was hardly landing anything when he threw a flurry, and was rocked by a counter right, so he became abit shy after that.
Oscars own defense was excellent that night, couple that with Floyd slow punch output and you will see that Floyd landed very little also.

but ppl like ricky hatton, seem to think that it was a close fight. IT WAS NOT. and those that say it was just dont know anything about boxing.
I personally would be of the opinion that with a record of 43-0-0 (31), Ricky Hatton knows plenty about boxing.

yes i'll agree the rounds were tense, and could of gone either way at times, but mayweathers defense was too much.
basically what i wanted to get clear was....mayweather - de la hoya fight should not have been scored closely, mayweather clearly won.
Defense is not enough.
Judges often operate of a 4-way system on which they base their analysis of the fight and subsequently their scoring.
The four sections they analyse are:
1)Clean Punching
2)Ring Generalship
3)Defence
4)Effective Aggresion.

1) The clean punching went to Floyd, as always he punched beautifully when he decided to counterattack
2) The Ring Generalship was evenly dispersed, Oscar cut off the ring well, Floyd moved well.
3) Defence was to Floyd of course altho DLH was masterful also.
4) This went to Oscar, fighting in spurts which he converted well to scoring punches.

It's not like the amateur where it's entirely punch based, in the pros a punch on the gloves may be as effective as those landed on the head, it's all debatable and as iv said no matter how we debate it, we will be ignored as on fight night only the judges opinions matter.


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:coolclick: #229. Just a superb analogy of the fight. The best I've heard thus far.

That means a lot from you dude, thank you.

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at most i gave ODH 3 rounds.
The fact is that the three professional judges scored the fight a lot more evenly over rules any opinions you or I might have, on fight night, we do not matter, the judges make the decision.

if you know abit about boxing and defense, then you'll know oscar was hardly landing anything when he threw a flurry, and was rocked by a counter right, so he became abit shy after that.
Oscars own defense was excellent that night, couple that with Floyd slow punch output and you will see that Floyd landed very little also.

but ppl like ricky hatton, seem to think that it was a close fight. IT WAS NOT. and those that say it was just dont know anything about boxing.
I personally would be of the opinion that with a record of 43-0-0 (31), Ricky Hatton knows plenty about boxing.

yes i'll agree the rounds were tense, and could of gone either way at times, but mayweathers defense was too much.
basically what i wanted to get clear was....mayweather - de la hoya fight should not have been scored closely, mayweather clearly won.
Defense is not enough.
Judges often operate of a 4-way system on which they base their analysis of the fight and subsequently their scoring.
The four sections they analyse are:
1)Clean Punching
2)Ring Generalship
3)Defence
4)Effective Aggresion.

1) The clean punching went to Floyd, as always he punched beautifully when he decided to counterattack
2) The Ring Generalship was evenly dispersed, Oscar cut off the ring well, Floyd moved well.
3) Defence was to Floyd of course altho DLH was masterful also.
4) This went to Oscar, fighting in spurts which he converted well to scoring punches.

It's not like the amateur where it's entirely punch based, in the pros a punch on the gloves may be as effective as those landed on the head, it's all debatable and as iv said no matter how we debate it, we will be ignored as on fight night only the judges opinions matter.


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But Mayweather landed more clean punches that Oscar... He was landing solid rights all night long, and a good jab which was better than Oscar's imo and he landed it more. I don't think Oscar had a lot of effective aggression, only in two or three rounds was he able to capitalize on his combinations effectively, the rest of the time Mayweather would dodge everything and punch or move off the ropes, then he would pick Oscar apart with a lot of accurate punches. I agree he missed his fair share, but he also landed a lot of punches, and had an over 40% punch connection rate, and I am not going by the compubox. I don't know, but effective aggressiveness doesn't lead to 21% of your punches landing IMO.

Taeth i was agreeing with you logic until you said mayweather picked Oscar apart with a lot of punches.
Mayweather never throws a lot of punches, it's not his style. It's obvious that his style is to throw punches that are straight from the textbook and score cleanly, but never in volume.
Oscar did throw in volume, as much as he could really, and whilst he didn't do enough to win, you cannot truthfully claim that he was dominated.

i read in the papers, i've forgotten who the writer was, but it said calzaghe dominated and won a UD decision.
i know calzaghe won it, when he resorted to those hit and run tactics, and fast flurries.
it also said that on another website.

the mayweather del a hoya fight.

there wasnt much happening in the rounds, pretty boy would pot shot from the outside,,,....shots that would land!, and then oscar would throw a flurry, with hardly anything landing, cos mayweather defensively was too good.

this fight should not have been scored closely, i dont care if ricky hatton or 'bzkfn' says it was close when it is clear what happened.

i guess the untrained eye probably saw a fast boxer jabbing fast, pot shotin, and then this aggressive fighter starts winging punches left right left right, making the other fella turn from side to side...POWER! ::**

WHEN IN REality, mayweathers shoulder defense was awesome that night!

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Originally Posted by Lionheart Lacy

i read in the papers, i've forgotten who the writer was, but it said calzaghe dominated and won a UD decision.
i know calzaghe won it, when he resorted to those hit and run tactics, and fast flurries.
it also said that on another website.

the mayweather del a hoya fight.

there wasnt much happening in the rounds, pretty boy would pot shot from the outside,,,....shots that would land!, and then oscar would throw a flurry, with hardly anything landing, cos mayweather defensively was too good.

this fight should not have been scored closely, i dont care if ricky hatton or 'bzkfn' says it was close when it is clear what happened.

i guess the untrained eye probably saw a fast boxer jabbing fast, pot shotin, and then this aggressive fighter starts winging punches left right left right, making the other fella turn from side to side...POWER! ::**

WHEN IN REality, mayweathers shoulder defense was awesome that night!

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Well thats great, but as i've already expressed boxing is not score on defence.

i guess the untrained eye probably saw a fast boxer jabbing fast, pot shotin, and then this aggressive fighter starts winging punches left right left right, making the other fella turn from side to side...POWER! ::**

Untrained eye?....The system i provided for you, is that used by most European judges when judging actual competition, not an opinion based theoretical couch analysis.

Ironic that you slate Calzaghe for "hit and run tactics" yet you support Mayweather in the same thread.

Yeah to be honest,I didn't see Joe employ hit and run. He was there to be hit but was too fast for Kess.


Untrained eye?....The system i provided for you, is that used by most European judges when judging actual competition, not an opinion based theoretical couch analysis. -Donny

Haha,nice. ;D

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Yeah to be honest,I didn't see Joe employ hit and run. He was there to be hit but was too fast for Kess.

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That's because he didn't.

Joe did something that no one...not even Kessler expected...he stood in the pocket & went skill to power with Kessler.

No one got it wrong...I don't even hear Kessler complaining about the decision or scoring & I don't remember reading anywhere from anyone...not even Joe...that it was an easy night.

im supporting mayweathers tactics, im just saying he easily UD'd ODLH.

when i say calzaghe started using hit and run tactics...
in the first 6 rounds, he was aggressive and tried wading in, but couldnt out jab kessler and 2) he was getting rocked badly when he carelessly went in.

the n he started boxing more on the outside with fast jabs that were doing nuttin but scoring, no power. and then he'll do his usualy flurry and win the round. kessler always came back very well..

HE DESERVES A REMATCH. i think calzaghe has the bottle to face him but warren wouldnt let this fight happen even if kessler was willing to come over.

warren and previously admitted with khan that he is a business man, and wont risk his business by making khan fight against anyone with a pulse.

if you watch the calzaghe - kessler fight again, everytime kessler stuns calzaghe or even lands a jab, watch warrens face. he isnt gonna wanna go through anything like that again, its not good for the heart.

Some people on the fightbeat.com boards said that it was an easy decision. It wasn't anywhere close to an easy decision. Kessler almost won.

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Originally Posted by Lionheart Lacy

hi all,

i have been quiet about this subject for awhile but enough is enough. when mayweather clearly beat oscar de la hoya, i was hearing stuff like, it was a close fight, it was a split decision which was absolutely disgusting. worst yet, even fighters thought it was a close fight, guys like ricky hatton.

at most i gave ODH 3 rounds. if you know abit about boxing and defense, then you'll know oscar was hardly landing anything when he threw a flurry, and was rocked by a counter right, so he became abit shy after that. but ppl like ricky hatton, seem to think that it was a close fight. IT WAS NOT. and those that say it was just dont know anything about boxing.

yes i'll agree the rounds were tense, and could of gone either way at times, but mayweathers defense was too much.

and on saturday i predicted calzaghe would outpoint kessler, he would out work him.

that wasnt the story for the first 7 rounds atleast. in round 4 kessler rocked calzaghe pretty bad, he looked in control. i WAS EXTREMLY SHOCKED AT HOW KESSLER COULD STAY WITH CALZAGHE PUNCH FOR PUNCH. mikkel was even beating joe to the jab many a times.

after round 7, calzaghe started using the hit and run tactics, great tactics to win a fight, especially if ur fast like calzaghe or a mayweather did against de la hoya.

kessler was getting of with wicked combos, rocked calzaghe on numerous occasions, i was also impressed with joe's chin, very strong. anyone lesser would have gone down.

after round 8, kessler seemed too tired, calzaghe basically outworked him, kessler fought in spurts, when he did, he was effective, i HAVE NEVER SEEN A FIGHTER GET OF WITH COMBOS ON JOE LIKE KESSLER, NOT EVEN EUBANK. HE WAS LANDING HIS JAB AND HIS ACCURACY WAS AWESOME.

yes he lost the fight but people are saying, he dominated, the papers said it was an easy UD. no it wasnt. and in a rematch in copehagen, kessler has a HUUUUGE chance of winning.

if anyone knows kessler then please tell him to not get worried about this loss, it was against a great fighter, and he lost in style. he is a great fighter.

basically what i wanted to get clear was....mayweather - de la hoya fight should not have been scored closely, mayweather clearly won.

and kessler put up A GREAT GREAT FIGHT against calzaghe, his hands were up and he was able to keep up with joe throuhout, he will be back and unify the division. i think joe was afraid of kesslers power. a few times he thought about theowing his slapping flurries but was always caught and rocked, so he decided to use his hit and run, an occasional flurry.

kessler is an awesome fighter.

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i have been quiet about this subject for awhile but enough is enough. when mayweather clearly beat oscar de la hoya, i was hearing stuff like, it was a close fight, it was a split decision which was absolutely disgusting. worst yet, even fighters thought it was a close fight, guys like ricky hatton.

It was quite close because some people like the aggressor even though Oscar missed alot of his punches he threw more punches than Mayweather andfooled quite alot of people i had Mayweather winning by about 3 or 2 rounds i believe.

and on saturday i predicted calzaghe would outpoint kessler, he would out work him.

that wasnt the story for the first 7 rounds atleast. in round 4 kessler rocked calzaghe pretty bad, he looked in control. i WAS EXTREMLY SHOCKED AT HOW KESSLER COULD STAY WITH CALZAGHE PUNCH FOR PUNCH. mikkel was even beating joe to the jab many a times.

He was outworking Kessler in virtually every round first 4 rounds were close but after that Calzaghe pulled away just look at punch stats and i know people don't like using punchstats or ect but just to give you an idea.

Check this link for the punchstats.

http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.ph...=Fight:1225214

after round 7, calzaghe started using the hit and run tactics, great tactics to win a fight, especially if ur fast like calzaghe or a mayweather did against de la hoya.

Hit and run tactics ?? Calzaghe was coming forward and trading punches with Kessler most of the time so i don't understand this comment at all.

kessler was getting of with wicked combos, rocked calzaghe on numerous occasions, i was also impressed with joe's chin, very strong. anyone lesser would have gone down.

Agreed.

after round 8, kessler seemed too tired, calzaghe basically outworked him, kessler fought in spurts, when he did, he was effective, i HAVE NEVER SEEN A FIGHTER GET OF WITH COMBOS ON JOE LIKE KESSLER, NOT EVEN EUBANK. HE WAS LANDING HIS JAB AND HIS ACCURACY WAS AWESOME.

I thought Kessler fought in spurts for quite alot of the fight because of the amount of punches Calzaghe was throwing made Kessler less active.

yes he lost the fight but people are saying, he dominated, the papers said it was an easy UD. no it wasnt. and in a rematch in copehagen, kessler has a HUUUUGE chance of winning.

It wasn't easy but it was pretty clear cut victory and Kessler would not beat Calzaghe anywhere it doesn't matter where they fight Calzaghe is better fighter unless Kessler gets a gift decision.

basically what i wanted to get clear was....mayweather - de la hoya fight should not have been scored closely, mayweather clearly won.

and kessler put up A GREAT GREAT FIGHT against calzaghe, his hands were up and he was able to keep up with joe throuhout, he will be back and unify the division. i think joe was afraid of kesslers power. a few times he thought about theowing his slapping flurries but was always caught and rocked, so he decided to use his hit and run, an occasional flurry.

Afraid of Kessler's power ?? if he was that afraid he wouldn't of been trading shots with Kessler i think Calzaghe won by a bigger margin than how Mayweather beat Oscar.

Ice,they have to land to count,yes he was outworking,but he wasnt landing,and he certainly wasnt landing crisply or with power

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Ice,they have to land to count,yes he was outworking,but he wasnt landing,and he certainly wasnt landing crisply or with power

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He wasn't landing crisp shots with power ?? so what was the swelling on Kessler's eye or the blood coming out of his nose ??

Man monkey you hate Cal don't you the fight could of gone either way. What the fuck were you watching and if Joe was not throwing powerful punches then what happen when you had kess hurt and if the ref did not stop it kess would of been on his ass. There is no way that kess won more then four rounds you could say that calzaghe won ten rounds i would rounds and i would not argue with it.

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Ice,they have to land to count,yes he was outworking,but he wasnt landing,and he certainly wasnt landing crisply or with power

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Totally disagree here.

Joe busted him up pretty good...to the head & the body...just read any of the interviews with Kessler. After the fight Kess said that he was never hurt...he doubled over once & got rocked many times.

He later changed his tune.

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Man monkey you hate Cal don't you the fight could of gone either way. What the F*** were you watching and if Joe was not throwing powerful punches then what happen when you had kess hurt and if the ref did not stop it kess would of been on his a**. There is no way that kess won more then four rounds you could say that calzaghe won ten rounds i would rounds and i would not argue with it.

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Dont hate him at all,I have the fight on tape,Kessler was catching most of it on his arms.
Now that being said,I said before the fight,if Mikkel thinks he's walking in to Joes back yard and winning without dropping him,he's an absolute fool.
Joe took some brutal shots,and kept busy enough to win the fight on the cards,and he took everything Mikkel had to offer.
It was a very good fight from both of them,Mikkel for countering nicely,and landing every bomb he could,Joe for keeping a very high pace,and taking all of those shots.
Its not the first fight that volume takes the day,certainly not when your fighting on the other guys turf,Mikkel tried to drop him,he just couldnt do it,Joes chin was taking all of it.

Ok but monkey maybe i was mistaken but did you not say if could of gone either way. If that is true i am sorry no way i can see that fight with out seeing Joe won it but i look again.

Just want to comment on the Oscar - Mayweather fight. I won't go far as saying that it was a total domination but Mayweather did frustrate Oscar and make him look like a fool somewhat. But I want to give credit to the Pretty boy for taking the fight, I think if there is any fight he really took his risk, it's this one. After a long indecision, he did take the plunge in the end, and good for him, he did win. Everybody knows the 'big bucks' was the major factor for his decision, but risk is still a risk so let's give him the due credit for taking it. I only hope he goes on taking those 'risks' more and I'm pretty sure he can beat 'em all.

Mr Lionheart Lacy, most of what has been said in the early part of the thread explains why you are wrong in my eyes. Stating your opinions are fact is rather egotistical, when in FACT, your just talking bullcrap to back up your opinions. Which are certainly not FACTS. And in my OPINION, and many others', including the judges, it was a close fight.

And have an SC from me.

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Ok but monkey maybe i was mistaken but did you not say if could of gone either way. If that is true i am sorry no way i can see that fight with out seeing Joe won it but i look again.

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We all know how Boxing goes,if your fighting on the other guys patch of land,you either have to put him on his duff,or completely outwork him.
Mikkel did neither,lord knows he tried with the putting him on his duff part,it just looked like he was landing more often and with bigger shots. On neutral ground maybe it goes the other way.But it wasnt neutral ground,and Mikkel knew it,and didnt take care of his buisness out there.
No faulting Joe at all,he knew what he had to do out there,and did it.
Be interesting to see a rematch in the states,where neither one of them have home field advantage. Doubt it happens though,their allready hyping a Bhop fight,which I honestly dont care to watch,but probably will.

I thought it was one of those fights that was competitive but not controversial.

After four rounds I thought Kessler was really in it and had a good chance. For a second in the fifth I thought Joe was even getting a bit desperate when he just went all out trying to maul Kessler, totally wrong on that.

It was competive but after watching this fight again Joe clearly won by a large margin in the fight.

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Ok but monkey maybe i was mistaken but did you not say if could of gone either way. If that is true i am sorry no way i can see that fight with out seeing Joe won it but i look again.

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We all know how Boxing goes,if your fighting on the other guys patch of land,you either have to put him on his duff,or completely outwork him.
Mikkel did neither,lord knows he tried with the putting him on his duff part,it just looked like he was landing more often and with bigger shots. On neutral ground maybe it goes the other way.But it wasnt neutral ground,and Mikkel knew it,and didnt take care of his buisness out there.
No faulting Joe at all,he knew what he had to do out there,and did it.
Be interesting to see a rematch in the states,where neither one of them have home field advantage. Doubt it happens though,their allready hyping a Bhop fight,which I honestly dont care to watch,but probably will.

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That reminds me of Hopkins-Eastman. Eastman has always said if it wasn't for Hopkins having the home American advantage the fight could of gone his way.. and would of loved a rematch on neutral ground, let alone at home.

There is no need for a rematch between Kessler and Calzaghe IMO. Kessler put up a good fight but Calzaghe clearly won. It wasnt close enough, or controversial enough to merit a rematch.

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In all honesty I thought Kessler was landing more effectively,Joe threw alot more,but it didnt look like he landed much of it.But frankly Joe knew the situation,he was on his home turf.
But Lacy is right,by the 5th they were allready talking about Joe/Bhop,thats how one sided they made it sound,when in all honesty,if it was on neutral ground you could make a strong case Kessler won it.
Regardless,it was a great fight,and congrats to both fighters

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Wtf?? What fuckign fight were you watching?? Strong case for kessler winning it?? I have heard it all now.

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

In all honesty I thought Kessler was landing more effectively,Joe threw alot more,but it didnt look like he landed much of it.But frankly Joe knew the situation,he was on his home turf.
But Lacy is right,by the 5th they were allready talking about Joe/Bhop,thats how one sided they made it sound,when in all honesty,if it was on neutral ground you could make a strong case Kessler won it.
Regardless,it was a great fight,and congrats to both fighters

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Wtf?? What fuckign fight were you watching?? Strong case for kessler winning it?? I have heard it all now.

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The same one Ive rewatched twice now,Kessler catches most of the shots on his arms and hands

I watched the fight 3 times and i'd say kessler was a cunt hair away from winning that fight. One round win by calzaghe.

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

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Originally Posted by skel1983

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

In all honesty I thought Kessler was landing more effectively,Joe threw alot more,but it didnt look like he landed much of it.But frankly Joe knew the situation,he was on his home turf.
But Lacy is right,by the 5th they were allready talking about Joe/Bhop,thats how one sided they made it sound,when in all honesty,if it was on neutral ground you could make a strong case Kessler won it.
Regardless,it was a great fight,and congrats to both fighters

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Wtf?? What fuckign fight were you watching?? Strong case for kessler winning it?? I have heard it all now.

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The same one Ive rewatched twice now,Kessler catches most of the shots on his arms and hands

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I watched it 5 times now and from round 7 Calzaghe just outjabs him and frustrtes him, no way Kessler is anywhere near winning this fight.

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Originally Posted by sexydarin

I watched the fight 3 times and i'd say kessler was a c*** hair away from winning that fight. One round win by calzaghe.

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I gave Kessler 4 rounds being quite generous to Kessler but anymore than that is pushing it i really can't work out how you can have it that close without being biased.

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

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Originally Posted by skel1983

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

In all honesty I thought Kessler was landing more effectively,Joe threw alot more,but it didnt look like he landed much of it.But frankly Joe knew the situation,he was on his home turf.
But Lacy is right,by the 5th they were allready talking about Joe/Bhop,thats how one sided they made it sound,when in all honesty,if it was on neutral ground you could make a strong case Kessler won it.
Regardless,it was a great fight,and congrats to both fighters

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Wtf?? What fuckign fight were you watching?? Strong case for kessler winning it?? I have heard it all now.

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The same one Ive rewatched twice now,Kessler catches most of the shots on his arms and hands

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Yes but Calzaghe still landed over 100 more punches than Kessler and almost doubled Kessler in punches thrown Calzaghe won the fight clearly no way on this earth Kessler could of won the fight there isn't even a case for him winning if Kessler would of won that would of been one of the worst robberies i've ever seen.

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Taeth i was agreeing with you logic until you said mayweather picked Oscar apart with a lot of punches.
Mayweather never throws a lot of punches, it's not his style. It's obvious that his style is to throw punches that are straight from the textbook and score cleanly, but never in volume.
Oscar did throw in volume, as much as he could really, and whilst he didn't do enough to win, you cannot truthfully claim that he was dominated.

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When he was in the middle of the ring he was throwing more than Oscar... I was saying a lot of his punches were picking Oscar apart as opposed to he was throwing a lot of punches.

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Originally Posted by skel1983

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

In all honesty I thought Kessler was landing more effectively,Joe threw alot more,but it didnt look like he landed much of it.But frankly Joe knew the situation,he was on his home turf.
But Lacy is right,by the 5th they were allready talking about Joe/Bhop,thats how one sided they made it sound,when in all honesty,if it was on neutral ground you could make a strong case Kessler won it.
Regardless,it was a great fight,and congrats to both fighters

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Wtf?? What fuckign fight were you watching?? Strong case for kessler winning it?? I have heard it all now.

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The same one Ive rewatched twice now,Kessler catches most of the shots on his arms and hands

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I too agree that it was a much closer fight than people are giving Kessler credit for... He was way more accurate, and landed the bigger punches in a lot of rounds when he only landedl ike 4 or 5 fewer punches. I truly don't believe good defense gets enough recognition in boxing.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

In all honesty I thought Kessler was landing more effectively,Joe threw alot more,but it didnt look like he landed much of it.But frankly Joe knew the situation,he was on his home turf.
But Lacy is right,by the 5th they were allready talking about Joe/Bhop,thats how one sided they made it sound,when in all honesty,if it was on neutral ground you could make a strong case Kessler won it.
Regardless,it was a great fight,and congrats to both fighters

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Wtf?? What fuckign fight were you watching?? Strong case for kessler winning it?? I have heard it all now.

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The same one Ive rewatched twice now,Kessler catches most of the shots on his arms and hands

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I too agree that it was a much closer fight than people are giving Kessler credit for... He was way more accurate, and landed the bigger punches in a lot of rounds when he only landedl ike 4 or 5 fewer punches. I truly don't believe good defense gets enough recognition in boxing.

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You have to know where your fighting
Kessler HAD to be more active then he was
Maybe he can learn from it,maybe he cant,maybe he was hurt,maybe he wasnt
Allways know what ring your in

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

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Originally Posted by Taeth

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Originally Posted by skel1983

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

In all honesty I thought Kessler was landing more effectively,Joe threw alot more,but it didnt look like he landed much of it.But frankly Joe knew the situation,he was on his home turf.
But Lacy is right,by the 5th they were allready talking about Joe/Bhop,thats how one sided they made it sound,when in all honesty,if it was on neutral ground you could make a strong case Kessler won it.
Regardless,it was a great fight,and congrats to both fighters

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Wtf?? What fuckign fight were you watching?? Strong case for kessler winning it?? I have heard it all now.

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The same one Ive rewatched twice now,Kessler catches most of the shots on his arms and hands

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I too agree that it was a much closer fight than people are giving Kessler credit for... He was way more accurate, and landed the bigger punches in a lot of rounds when he only landedl ike 4 or 5 fewer punches. I truly don't believe good defense gets enough recognition in boxing.

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You have to know where your fighting
Kessler HAD to be more active then he was
Maybe he can learn from it,maybe he cant,maybe he was hurt,maybe he wasnt
Allways know what ring your in

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NOT even Kessler himself thought he WON the fight.

Hope this helps.