some people are getting it VERY WRONG.

[Lionheart Lacy]

hi all,

i have been quiet about this subject for awhile but enough is enough. when mayweather clearly beat oscar de la hoya, i was hearing stuff like, it was a close fight, it was a split decision which was absolutely disgusting. worst yet, even fighters thought it was a close fight, guys like ricky hatton.

at most i gave ODH 3 rounds. if you know abit about boxing and defense, then you'll know oscar was hardly landing anything when he threw a flurry, and was rocked by a counter right, so he became abit shy after that. but ppl like ricky hatton, seem to think that it was a close fight. IT WAS NOT. and those that say it was just dont know anything about boxing.

yes i'll agree the rounds were tense, and could of gone either way at times, but mayweathers defense was too much.

and on saturday i predicted calzaghe would outpoint kessler, he would out work him.

that wasnt the story for the first 7 rounds atleast. in round 4 kessler rocked calzaghe pretty bad, he looked in control. i WAS EXTREMLY SHOCKED AT HOW KESSLER COULD STAY WITH CALZAGHE PUNCH FOR PUNCH. mikkel was even beating joe to the jab many a times.

after round 7, calzaghe started using the hit and run tactics, great tactics to win a fight, especially if ur fast like calzaghe or a mayweather did against de la hoya.

kessler was getting of with wicked combos, rocked calzaghe on numerous occasions, i was also impressed with joe's chin, very strong. anyone lesser would have gone down.

after round 8, kessler seemed too tired, calzaghe basically outworked him, kessler fought in spurts, when he did, he was effective, i HAVE NEVER SEEN A FIGHTER GET OF WITH COMBOS ON JOE LIKE KESSLER, NOT EVEN EUBANK. HE WAS LANDING HIS JAB AND HIS ACCURACY WAS AWESOME.

yes he lost the fight but people are saying, he dominated, the papers said it was an easy UD. no it wasnt. and in a rematch in copehagen, kessler has a HUUUUGE chance of winning.

if anyone knows kessler then please tell him to not get worried about this loss, it was against a great fighter, and he lost in style. he is a great fighter.

basically what i wanted to get clear was....mayweather - de la hoya fight should not have been scored closely, mayweather clearly won.

and kessler put up A GREAT GREAT FIGHT against calzaghe, his hands were up and he was able to keep up with joe throuhout, he will be back and unify the division. i think joe was afraid of kesslers power. a few times he thought about theowing his slapping flurries but was always caught and rocked, so he decided to use his hit and run, an occasional flurry.

kessler is an awesome fighter.

[yoitsdan]

I haven't seen one article, news report or even poster on this forum saying it was an easy UD. I think that's a voice in your head mate.

[bzkfn]

hi all,

i have been quiet about this subject for awhile but enough is enough. when mayweather clearly beat oscar de la hoya, i was hearing stuff like, it was a close fight, it was a split decision which was absolutely disgusting. worst yet, even fighters thought it was a close fight, guys like ricky hatton.

at most i gave ODH 3 rounds. if you know abit about boxing and defense, then you'll know oscar was hardly landing anything when he threw a flurry, and was rocked by a counter right, so he became abit shy after that. but ppl like ricky hatton, seem to think that it was a close fight. IT WAS NOT. and those that say it was just dont know anything about boxing.

yes i'll agree the rounds were tense, and could of gone either way at times, but mayweathers defense was too much.

and on saturday i predicted calzaghe would outpoint kessler, he would out work him.

that wasnt the story for the first 7 rounds atleast. in round 4 kessler rocked calzaghe pretty bad, he looked in control. i WAS EXTREMLY SHOCKED AT HOW KESSLER COULD STAY WITH CALZAGHE PUNCH FOR PUNCH. mikkel was even beating joe to the jab many a times.

after round 7, calzaghe started using the hit and run tactics, great tactics to win a fight, especially if ur fast like calzaghe or a mayweather did against de la hoya.

kessler was getting of with wicked combos, rocked calzaghe on numerous occasions, i was also impressed with joe's chin, very strong. anyone lesser would have gone down.

after round 8, kessler seemed too tired, calzaghe basically outworked him, kessler fought in spurts, when he did, he was effective, i HAVE NEVER SEEN A FIGHTER GET OF WITH COMBOS ON JOE LIKE KESSLER, NOT EVEN EUBANK. HE WAS LANDING HIS JAB AND HIS ACCURACY WAS AWESOME.

yes he lost the fight but people are saying, he dominated, the papers said it was an easy UD. no it wasnt. and in a rematch in copehagen, kessler has a HUUUUGE chance of winning.

if anyone knows kessler then please tell him to not get worried about this loss, it was against a great fighter, and he lost in style. he is a great fighter.

basically what i wanted to get clear was....mayweather - de la hoya fight should not have been scored closely, mayweather clearly won.

and kessler put up A GREAT GREAT FIGHT against calzaghe, his hands were up and he was able to keep up with joe throuhout, he will be back and unify the division. i think joe was afraid of kesslers power. a few times he thought about theowing his slapping flurries but was always caught and rocked, so he decided to use his hit and run, an occasional flurry.

kessler is an awesome fighter.

Sorry dude, but if you agree the rounds were close, then how can you say he clearly beat him? Surely if the rounds were close there is room for opinion either way?

I had Mayweather winning, but only by a point. It was close, but I knew he'd won.

[Taeth]

It was a great fight, but your right it wasn't the one sided domination Mayweather put on Oscar... that was a boxing clinic, and though it didn't look like it conventionally people have to realize Mayweather is so much smaller without very much power at this weight class, and he has to carry the added weight, but he still dodged almost everything Oscar threw, and Oscar had quick hands in this fight.

[LEGION]

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I haven't seen one article, news report or even poster on this forum saying it was an easy UD. I think that's a voice in your head mate.
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Lol

[donnydarkoIRL]

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at most i gave ODH 3 rounds.
The fact is that the three professional judges scored the fight a lot more evenly over rules any opinions you or I might have, on fight night, we do not matter, the judges make the decision.

if you know abit about boxing and defense, then you'll know oscar was hardly landing anything when he threw a flurry, and was rocked by a counter right, so he became abit shy after that.
Oscars own defense was excellent that night, couple that with Floyd slow punch output and you will see that Floyd landed very little also.

but ppl like ricky hatton, seem to think that it was a close fight. IT WAS NOT. and those that say it was just dont know anything about boxing.
I personally would be of the opinion that with a record of 43-0-0 (31), Ricky Hatton knows plenty about boxing.

yes i'll agree the rounds were tense, and could of gone either way at times, but mayweathers defense was too much.
basically what i wanted to get clear was....mayweather - de la hoya fight should not have been scored closely, mayweather clearly won.
Defense is not enough.
Judges often operate of a 4-way system on which they base their analysis of the fight and subsequently their scoring.
The four sections they analyse are:
1)Clean Punching
2)Ring Generalship
3)Defence
4)Effective Aggresion.

1) The clean punching went to Floyd, as always he punched beautifully when he decided to counterattack
2) The Ring Generalship was evenly dispersed, Oscar cut off the ring well, Floyd moved well.
3) Defence was to Floyd of course altho DLH was masterful also.
4) This went to Oscar, fighting in spurts which he converted well to scoring punches.

It's not like the amateur where it's entirely punch based, in the pros a punch on the gloves may be as effective as those landed on the head, it's all debatable and as iv said no matter how we debate it, we will be ignored as on fight night only the judges opinions matter.

[Trainer Monkey]

In all honesty I thought Kessler was landing more effectively,Joe threw alot more,but it didnt look like he landed much of it.But frankly Joe knew the situation,he was on his home turf.
But Lacy is right,by the 5th they were allready talking about Joe/Bhop,thats how one sided they made it sound,when in all honesty,if it was on neutral ground you could make a strong case Kessler won it.
Regardless,it was a great fight,and congrats to both fighters

[bzkfn]

at most i gave ODH 3 rounds.
The fact is that the three professional judges scored the fight a lot more evenly over rules any opinions you or I might have, on fight night, we do not matter, the judges make the decision.

if you know abit about boxing and defense, then you'll know oscar was hardly landing anything when he threw a flurry, and was rocked by a counter right, so he became abit shy after that.
Oscars own defense was excellent that night, couple that with Floyd slow punch output and you will see that Floyd landed very little also.

but ppl like ricky hatton, seem to think that it was a close fight. IT WAS NOT. and those that say it was just dont know anything about boxing.
I personally would be of the opinion that with a record of 43-0-0 (31), Ricky Hatton knows plenty about boxing.

yes i'll agree the rounds were tense, and could of gone either way at times, but mayweathers defense was too much.
basically what i wanted to get clear was....mayweather - de la hoya fight should not have been scored closely, mayweather clearly won.
Defense is not enough.
Judges often operate of a 4-way system on which they base their analysis of the fight and subsequently their scoring.
The four sections they analyse are:
1)Clean Punching
2)Ring Generalship
3)Defence
4)Effective Aggresion.

1) The clean punching went to Floyd, as always he punched beautifully when he decided to counterattack
2) The Ring Generalship was evenly dispersed, Oscar cut off the ring well, Floyd moved well.
3) Defence was to Floyd of course altho DLH was masterful also.
4) This went to Oscar, fighting in spurts which he converted well to scoring punches.

It's not like the amateur where it's entirely punch based, in the pros a punch on the gloves may be as effective as those landed on the head, it's all debatable and as iv said no matter how we debate it, we will be ignored as on fight night only the judges opinions matter.


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#229. Just a superb analogy of the fight. The best I've heard thus far.

[donnydarkoIRL]

That means a lot from you dude, thank you.

[Taeth]

at most i gave ODH 3 rounds.
The fact is that the three professional judges scored the fight a lot more evenly over rules any opinions you or I might have, on fight night, we do not matter, the judges make the decision.

if you know abit about boxing and defense, then you'll know oscar was hardly landing anything when he threw a flurry, and was rocked by a counter right, so he became abit shy after that.
Oscars own defense was excellent that night, couple that with Floyd slow punch output and you will see that Floyd landed very little also.

but ppl like ricky hatton, seem to think that it was a close fight. IT WAS NOT. and those that say it was just dont know anything about boxing.
I personally would be of the opinion that with a record of 43-0-0 (31), Ricky Hatton knows plenty about boxing.

yes i'll agree the rounds were tense, and could of gone either way at times, but mayweathers defense was too much.
basically what i wanted to get clear was....mayweather - de la hoya fight should not have been scored closely, mayweather clearly won.
Defense is not enough.
Judges often operate of a 4-way system on which they base their analysis of the fight and subsequently their scoring.
The four sections they analyse are:
1)Clean Punching
2)Ring Generalship
3)Defence
4)Effective Aggresion.

1) The clean punching went to Floyd, as always he punched beautifully when he decided to counterattack
2) The Ring Generalship was evenly dispersed, Oscar cut off the ring well, Floyd moved well.
3) Defence was to Floyd of course altho DLH was masterful also.
4) This went to Oscar, fighting in spurts which he converted well to scoring punches.

It's not like the amateur where it's entirely punch based, in the pros a punch on the gloves may be as effective as those landed on the head, it's all debatable and as iv said no matter how we debate it, we will be ignored as on fight night only the judges opinions matter.


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But Mayweather landed more clean punches that Oscar... He was landing solid rights all night long, and a good jab which was better than Oscar's imo and he landed it more. I don't think Oscar had a lot of effective aggression, only in two or three rounds was he able to capitalize on his combinations effectively, the rest of the time Mayweather would dodge everything and punch or move off the ropes, then he would pick Oscar apart with a lot of accurate punches. I agree he missed his fair share, but he also landed a lot of punches, and had an over 40% punch connection rate, and I am not going by the compubox. I don't know, but effective aggressiveness doesn't lead to 21% of your punches landing IMO.

[donnydarkoIRL]

Taeth i was agreeing with you logic until you said mayweather picked Oscar apart with a lot of punches.
Mayweather never throws a lot of punches, it's not his style. It's obvious that his style is to throw punches that are straight from the textbook and score cleanly, but never in volume.
Oscar did throw in volume, as much as he could really, and whilst he didn't do enough to win, you cannot truthfully claim that he was dominated.

[Lionheart Lacy]

i read in the papers, i've forgotten who the writer was, but it said calzaghe dominated and won a UD decision.
i know calzaghe won it, when he resorted to those hit and run tactics, and fast flurries.
it also said that on another website.

the mayweather del a hoya fight.

there wasnt much happening in the rounds, pretty boy would pot shot from the outside,,,....shots that would land!, and then oscar would throw a flurry, with hardly anything landing, cos mayweather defensively was too good.

this fight should not have been scored closely, i dont care if ricky hatton or 'bzkfn' says it was close when it is clear what happened.

i guess the untrained eye probably saw a fast boxer jabbing fast, pot shotin, and then this aggressive fighter starts winging punches left right left right, making the other fella turn from side to side...POWER!

WHEN IN REality, mayweathers shoulder defense was awesome that night!

[donnydarkoIRL]

i read in the papers, i've forgotten who the writer was, but it said calzaghe dominated and won a UD decision.
i know calzaghe won it, when he resorted to those hit and run tactics, and fast flurries.
it also said that on another website.

the mayweather del a hoya fight.

there wasnt much happening in the rounds, pretty boy would pot shot from the outside,,,....shots that would land!, and then oscar would throw a flurry, with hardly anything landing, cos mayweather defensively was too good.

this fight should not have been scored closely, i dont care if ricky hatton or 'bzkfn' says it was close when it is clear what happened.

i guess the untrained eye probably saw a fast boxer jabbing fast, pot shotin, and then this aggressive fighter starts winging punches left right left right, making the other fella turn from side to side...POWER!

WHEN IN REality, mayweathers shoulder defense was awesome that night!

Well thats great, but as i've already expressed boxing is not score on defence.

i guess the untrained eye probably saw a fast boxer jabbing fast, pot shotin, and then this aggressive fighter starts winging punches left right left right, making the other fella turn from side to side...POWER!

Untrained eye?....The system i provided for you, is that used by most European judges when judging actual competition, not an opinion based theoretical couch analysis.

Ironic that you slate Calzaghe for "hit and run tactics" yet you support Mayweather in the same thread.

[El Gamo]

Yeah to be honest,I didn't see Joe employ hit and run. He was there to be hit but was too fast for Kess.


Untrained eye?....The system i provided for you, is that used by most European judges when judging actual competition, not an opinion based theoretical couch analysis. -Donny

Haha,nice.

[Wacko3205]

Yeah to be honest,I didn't see Joe employ hit and run. He was there to be hit but was too fast for Kess.

That's because he didn't.

Joe did something that no one...not even Kessler expected...he stood in the pocket & went skill to power with Kessler.

No one got it wrong...I don't even hear Kessler complaining about the decision or scoring & I don't remember reading anywhere from anyone...not even Joe...that it was an easy night.