David Haye v Jean Marc-Mormeck RBR - World Crusierweight Titles

Once again let me welcome you to the latest installment of the British Round-by-rounds, which is this week capitalising on the huge interest in the SMW division sparked by last week's Calzaghe v Kessler matchup. With Froch having been desperate to tie Calzaghe into a fight over recent years and Robin Reid having already notched a defeat against Calzaghe, this is a make or break fight for both men and their aspirations for 2008 and beyond.

Carl Froch (21-0, 17KOs) is without doubt a very talented boxer, and packs a fair wallop too, which gave Sergey Tatevosyan his first ever KO defeat back in March, with a two round demolition. One of the trademarks of Froch's style is his cocky insistence on holding his leading left hand extremely low, and using it to fly upwards at his opponent, thus giving him his nickname, "The Cobra". However, the style does leave Froch without a guard held by his leading arm, and although elusive, he certainly can be caught. Froch has been British champion for over three years now, developing his reputation, and proclaiming his greatness to anyone who would listen. Certainly, a win against Reid on Friday night would put himself in the picture for an European title shot, or even a position challenging for one of the world titles should Calzaghe vacate and move up to Light Heavyweight.

Robin Reid (39-5-1, 27KOs) is the more experienced of the fighters, and at 36 will be looking to make that experience work for him against the opponent, six years his junior. Reid made his comeback from a two-year hiatus back in March with a points victory over Jesse Brinkley in the USA v UK Contender competition, having hung up his gloves after Jeff Lacy demolished him in 2005. However, all of Reid's five defeats have come whilst challenging for different organisations' versions of the World Super Middleweight titles, and will hope that he can maintain that record, bringing his strong right hand into play to trouble Froch. A win would obviously give Reid's career a spurt of life, and would throw him back into the mix for higher honours, but the question is whether Reid's 14-year career will count against him, or whether he can make the experience of those 45 fights count in his favour.

My tip is for Froch to finish Reid in the middle to later rounds, but Reid has plenty of quality, and may trouble Froch early on.

Elsewhere on the bill from the Nottingham Ice Arena is John Murray v Dean Hickman for the English Lightweight title in his first challenge for a proper belt, where he will also defend his WBC Youth lightweight belt, and the return of Esham Pickering, who will not be putting his British super-bantam title on the line in a keep-busy 8-rounder against journeyman Sean Hughes.

Show starts at 10pm UK time on Friday night, so that's 11pm in continental Europe and 5pm on the East coast of the US. Seeya there.

CC#759 on me Supaheavy...

Jot me down for a Froch TKO about the 3rd round. Reids already out the door and hes already payed so what the hell is he gonna prolong the fight for???

Just got in there dance 2 rounds throw 3,4 punches come out in the 3rd and hit the canvas.

It wont happen but gee it'd be good if Reid sparked Froch.

:coolclick: Sebun-Fiddy!

Carl Froch by late round TKO...or UD.

Is this fight on sky sports ?

My predicition for the fight is carl Froch ko 3-5 rounds. Hes too much for the old Reid who hasnt done anything recently and as soon as he feels the sting of Froch he will go down.

Froch will batter him and i see an early stoppage (maybe the 4th).
Froch has the power to drop anyone ;)

Froch by close decision.

I don't see how Froch can really win in this fight.. but he will win.

Barring last time out, Froch seems to be a slow starter, i'll be surprised if he bombs Reid out early (problem is, so what if he does?) - Reid has always had a solid chin and can make fights ugly, ugly, ugly.. which this might become before Reid's corner stop it, late, while he's on his stool.

CC for the rd by rd mate....

this fight intrests me bigtime and i'm still not sure who i'm picking on this one. :-\


anyhoooo here is the audio of there Press conference...

http://www.saddoboxing.com/6354-boxi...och-robin.html

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Show starts at 10pm UK time on Friday night, so that's 11pm in continental Europe and 5pm on the East coast of the US. Seeya there.

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I was just about to ask that...I am actually really REALLY eager for this one to get underway.

Even though I aint a Froch-Fan I hope that he pulls this one out...only in hopes that he'll face Kessler soon & I can see Kess hand lil' Carl his first course in the art of counting light bulbs.

OK got half of my pick this fight end on points of that i'm 100% sure...

just need to work out who gets the nod :-\

Aaaand with his landmark 100 hundredth post, da da da da da da daaaaa,

I'm sat on the fence for this one myself because there are so many factors to consider, but the biggie for me is, and prob is for most,can Rob raise his game from his recent stuff, although the scrappy contender fight should not be the point of write off, as for me Brinkley was just as bad if not the instigator of "The Maul And Brawl In The Hall"...

But Rob Reid was honest re himself, his timing his fitness and condition...plus obviously the lay off, but he don't look shot just yet, rusty yeah, but I don't feel he's totally run dry, Im hoping not at least....and if he can get a little of the old Robsta magic back and providing he has put in the other factors correctly eg diet, roadwork,the gym, bags, pads, and the sparring has been good enough....Then I think he has the class to pull it off, the win that is lol.....it is his last chance saloon, so why not go to the well a last time with a big big bucket and drink it dry for a big final push (providing it aint dryed up that is)

But to win, he must if all things are equal set the pace of this bout if it's possible, as Froch likes to do that himself and for me don't look comfy when taken outa step, Im none too keen on Froch or his style, though his style so far has served him well.....

Also read that Froch is again waxing lyrical already with regard to fisticuffs with Joe C , and although this kinda hype and hopes of money talk always goes on in boxing, fighters can slip up because they go out to chase the pot of gold, before first having there breakfast.....

I think he should be more focussed on the task in hand ie Rob R, unless Froch deems it really is gonna be that easy for him....then if it is, he can get in line for a lottery ticket and hope the Joe C domestic slant favours him over other fighters out there ... but for that to catch the imagination he needs a big and impressive win over Rob Reid this week, he must do a number and not just pick up a name in Reid....

But obviously Reid will have something to say about that....hopefully with a good performance, but I think we are now heading into the times of Froch being found out, maybe or maybe not in this fight with Rob R, who knowes, but sod it, at the last min I've decided I'm gonna be picking Rob for this one , but thats with my heart, and not the old garden shed speaking lol..

:badass: :badass:

Reid has wanted to fight Froch for a little while but never felt hed have given himself a fair enough chance if hed have taken the fight when offered after his inactivity, he wanted a couple of warm up bouts, he got offered the Brinkley match with 2 weeks and given the circumstances ie his age inactivity, last fight result, all this put together and Rob did well, he fought a decent paced 8 rounds and was starting to land his jab and right hand.

Brinkley has power, he was the only fighter in the first contender series to score a ko, he was also in training for another fight at the time.

With this bout Robin has got more rounds under his belt in the last 18 months than Carl has, Carl has also had to be carefull in training because of his knee, hes been out for 9 months and has no experience fighting experienced fighters, Rob knows how to win after a long lay off, also something that Carl hasnt done yet is beat an undefeated fighter, well Rob took on the younger undefeated Magee in his own back yard and dropped him 4 times, Brian has an awkward southpaw style and a decent defence, Carl is tailor made for Reid, hands low, slow pace and untested, he hasnt had to take a decent shot yet which is why I find it funny that people are saying he has a decent chin, I think I remember Valery Odin having Carl in some trouble, someone did early on. Do you notice how Carls management have kept him away from any punchers ? Or undefeated fighters ?

Hopefully Rob having those 8 rounds in the bank this year will be sharper than Froch and he can get his jab working early, I see Froch lunging in trying to make an impression early and with this being his first meaningfull fight and in his home town he will try to impress early but against some one so good at fighting "rough" this will be a mistake, Carl has also never had to deal with rough tactics yet, I cant see him getting settled early or at all in this fight, he may even blow himself out early trying for the stoppage while not being as fit or sharp as he should be, Rob will come on late and maybe even stop Carl with a nice timed right hand, or Carls pathetic management may just pull him outta the fight later on with swellings around his eyes from his low guard ;D

Robin Reid is a bit long in the tooth and too inactive. I still think he has the tools to decision Froch though.

Reid looks slow and actually old, Froch is too fast for him and just the sheer speed of the uppercuts etc will be too much for the older. I cant see him improving at all since the Lacy fight and he would be even slower now. Froch by the ko early!

Looks like Froch has deluded a few people in to believing him

I heard a joke today that reminded me of froch

A turkey was chatting with a bull. "I would love to be able to get to the top of that tree," sighed the turkey, "but I haven't got the energy." "Well, why don't you nibble on some of my droppings?" replied the bull. "They're packed with nutrients."
The turkey pecked at a lump of dung and found that it actually gave him enough strength to reach the first branch of the tree. The next day, after eating some more dung, he reached the second branch. Finally after a fortnight, there he was proudly perched at the top of the tree.
Soon he was promptly spotted by a farmer, who shot the turkey out of the tree.

MORAL OF THE STORY:

Bullshit might get you to the top, but it won't keep you there.

;D

Hmm, Carl aint even anywhere near the top though

You will see tommorow Ross how good CF actually is. I dont understand why you think he has bullshitted, what has he bullshited about ??? Hes a decent fighter and he has proved that by stopping his last fighters and looking good doing it. I dont see your major problem with him...

Its not just him but people like yourself who harp on about these great qualitys he has which in reality are still unknown quantitys, like how good his chin is (who is the big puncher that tested it ?)


Ii remember in the back of the sun or mirror only 1 or 2 years in to his pro career how he is the best Bbritish sportsperson around and he actually mentioned how he is better in his field than David Beckham in his and Joe Calzaghe, the bloke has been deluding himself and his blind followers since, that statement turned me off him big time.

I also remember his little fanfare with Hennesey when he made his debut about how he is boxings new star, well 6 years later and he still aint shining, I think ive seen all his fights and have to say he is outjabbed easy, beaten to the punch, his power has gotten him out of trouble because people like Magee and Dodson were outboxing him, also that bloke from canada was as well but these are fighters who have been stopped before, he hasnt really proved his power until he fights and beats an undefeated prospect with ambition in his own weight class, even little Ruben Groenewald was stopped prematurly but he was giving Frch a good argument even though he is a career light middle.

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Its not just him but people like yourself who harp on about these great qualitys he has which in reality are still unknown quantitys, like how good his chin is (who is the big puncher that tested it ?)


Ii remember in the back of the sun or mirror only 1 or 2 years in to his pro career how he is the best Bbritish sportsperson around and he actually mentioned how he is better in his field than David Beckham in his and Joe Calzaghe, the bloke has been deluding himself and his blind followers since, that statement turned me off him big time.

I also remember his little fanfare with Hennesey when he made his debut about how he is boxings new star, well 6 years later and he still aint shining, I think ive seen all his fights and have to say he is outjabbed easy, beaten to the punch, his power has gotten him out of trouble because people like Magee and Dodson were outboxing him, also that bloke from canada was as well but these are fighters who have been stopped before, he hasnt really proved his power until he fights and beats an undefeated prospect with ambition in his own weight class, even little Ruben Groenewald was stopped prematurly but he was giving Frch a good argument even though he is a career light middle.

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Well he is my favourite fighter so im not really going to give a good account of him. I do feel his progess may have been slow, but now the devision is wide open and the belts need picking up again. He is growing with age, and getting more experience and looking sharper and more powerful.This will be Reids last ever fight because he is going to get stopped.

He wasnt getting outboxed in those fights to be honest, he fights the counter fight and was looking for the gaps. He bloody got them hard as well and left both men on the mat. The scorecards for the maggee fight doesnt suggest he was getting outboxed...

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You will see tommorow Ross how good CF actually is. I dont understand why you think he has bullshitted, what has he bullshited about ??? Hes a decent fighter and he has proved that by stopping his last fighters and looking good doing it. I dont see your major problem with him...

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He's fighting an ancient ex-porn actor who's retiring after the fight. Looking really good against tomato cans and looking really good against an actual really good fighter are two different things.

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You will see tommorow Ross how good CF actually is. I dont understand why you think he has bullshitted, what has he bullshited about ??? Hes a decent fighter and he has proved that by stopping his last fighters and looking good doing it. I dont see your major problem with him...

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I don't mean to rain on your parade Tam, but Froch is one of the biggest bullsh**ters in British boxing.
Examples:
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_fo...?topic=49409.0

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_fo...?topic=45263.0

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_fo...?topic=39104.0

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_fo...?topic=45330.0

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/6509671.stm#

each one has a few examples of Froch bigging himself up more than is justified by his career so far. No doubt he's good, but he's got a big mouth and it doesn't earn him too many friends. However, as to your other question it is live on sky tomorrow night. And i'll see you here afterwards to dissect the performance. ;)

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You will see tommorow Ross how good CF actually is. I dont understand why you think he has bullshitted, what has he bullshited about ??? Hes a decent fighter and he has proved that by stopping his last fighters and looking good doing it. I dont see your major problem with him...

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I don't mean to rain on your parade Tam, but Froch is one of the biggest bullsh**ters in British boxing.
Examples:
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_fo...?topic=49409.0

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_fo...?topic=45263.0

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_fo...?topic=39104.0

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_fo...?topic=45330.0

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/6509671.stm#

each one has a few examples of Froch bigging himself up more than is justified by his career so far. No doubt he's good, but he's got a big mouth and it doesn't earn him too many friends. However, as to your other question it is live on sky tomorrow night. And i'll see you here afterwards to dissect the performance. ;)

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Rhun he may have a big mouth, but so far he has backed this back mouth up and produced the goods. He has confidence and i like that a lot in a fighter. We will have a better opinion on him tommorow night and what his future is after that. If he gets chinned, ill admit he was overhyped.

Much as I hate to say it I think CF is gonna smash Reid worse than Lacy, then imagine the shit he'll be coming out with. ::**

Reid is past it would have been an excellent matchup if they could have met both in good nick but i think when reid takes a couple of shots he'll think" fuck this for a game, I'm retiring anyway after tonight"

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Much as I hate to say it I think CF is gonna smash Reid worse than Lacy, then imagine the S*** he'll be coming out with. ::**

Reid is past it would have been an excellent matchup if they could have met both in good nick but i think when reid takes a couple of shots he'll think" F*** this for a game, I'm retiring anyway after tonight"

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Why does he chat shit ? Because he calls out Calzaghe a lot ? its not really chatting shit, its a belief that he wants to fight him. And yes i agree at this momment in time he doesnt deserve to fight him, but wins via knockout and getting some good ones after that will mean he is the man to beat at 168.

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I don't see how Froch can really win in this fight.. but he will win.

Barring last time out, Froch seems to be a slow starter, i'll be surprised if he bombs Reid out early (problem is, so what if he does?) - Reid has always had a solid chin and can make fights ugly, ugly, ugly.. which this might become before Reid's corner stop it, late, while he's on his stool.

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Yeah i can see it going along those lines too.

Not really any room for an upset but if Mathew Barney could spoil....

Little pic form the weigh in. ;D

Reid looks to be pretty muscular in that one, but then again Froch has always been lean at the weight. Also, now that it has been announced that Haye is going to be fighting on Saturday night, and it'll be screened on Setanta, I might do a RBR for that one too as an appetiser to the Cotto-Mosley bout.

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Reid looks to be pretty muscular in that one, but then again Froch has always been lean at the weight. Also, now that it has been announced that Haye is going to be fighting on Saturday night, and it'll be screened on Setanta, I might do a RBR for that one too as an appetiser to the Cotto-Mosley bout.

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Oh fine...steal my thunder!!!

Pull another RBR outta that British ass...I mean...all you do is try to one up me...& be...more British than Wacko...well my friend...I! HAVE! HAD! IT!!!!!

Since you want to pull out all the stops...I'd like to bring something to your attention...something that an astute Round by Rounder should have noticed...since your'e so much more British than me...I think that you just Un-British-ized your ass a bit...ya missed the brow...

Let me help ya out...take a good long look at this:

...and now this:

Gotdam right Mr. Layer of Lambs...it was right there in front of your Super RBR eyes...as my SASC (Souther As Shit Compatriot) Lyle would say "If'n it were a snake...it'd bitcha!"

Heh heh heh.

BAM!!!!

Wack man, I have just spent the last two minutes laughing....that was an absolute cracker of a comparison you pulled out of the bag there. Three more pints of lager (that's a total of four pints) and i would've downright wet myself right here in my chair.

You get your CC for that one man, that is such a good pickup, but we already know that Robin "The Rock" Reid has already been starring in some movies...but rather more X-rated than the Scorpion King. ;)

I know, when I've been tangoed!

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BAM!!!!

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I think I've given out three click things ever but that's got to be worth 100. :)

Froch is 1/7, Reid is 7/1 to win according to the bookies. You don't see 7/1 odds very often in a two horse race, do you?


Tells you all you need to know. I'd love it if Reid finds a big punch though.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing...9520-20084140/

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hahahaha, i was just about to post something like that. he actually does look like the rock, but he is still getting KTFO! tonight

i cant actually wait! COME ON FROCH ! ;D

Reid will test the Cobras chin at some point and test it well (you never lose that punch and Reid was smashing Calzaghe about a fair bit when they met) but Froch will be too strong for him and i see him doing a number on him fairly early.
Reid won't know whats hit him when Carl lands that upper-hook on him.
Froch is also a top finisher and once he has Reid hurt it's all over.
If Froch loses then i'll be the first to admit he was never the fighter i thought but he's hungry and has the tools and power to destroy Reid and i fully expect him to do so in style.
Froch inside 6 rounds for me. ;)
Another top weekend of fights starts tonight....av it. O0

I think Froch's last few fights were against southpaws, I think he''ll find it harder to land that shot on Ried.

I don't know what to think about Froch, sometimes I just want him to be battered to shut him up, other times I find his comments quite funny, plus he gives us fans something to talk about.

At the moment I want Reid to shut him up, but I don't think he has enough left to do so.

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Froch will batter him and i see an early stoppage (maybe the 4th).
Froch has the power to drop anyone ;)

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Yeh i'd expect Reid to have a bit of success with the right hand early on but i see him folding as soon Froch lands clean. IMO he has more ko power than Jeff Lacy had and he dropped Reid 4 times....and Froch needs to impress. And he will.

Tko/Ko around the 6th i'd say.

I think RR is just after a payday really and Froch is way more Hungry for this one and i've seen Froch bang up close and he hit's double hard.
He'll get the stoppage... 8)

If the Lacy fight was on this side of the pond I dont think Reid would of been on the deck so much. He lost that fight before it started.

Still, don't see him winning this. Although you can get 100/1 per round for a Reid KO. Tempting considering I would expect him to bounce a few off Froch's bonce.