I am trying to decide if he was really that much of a bad MOFO with the 19 sec stoppage or was Bo just lacking in the heart dept?
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I am trying to decide if he was really that much of a bad MOFO with the 19 sec stoppage or was Bo just lacking in the heart dept?
Some of these guys are scared before they even get in with this guy. I thought that kid would give him a better fight, but oh well. He'll get in with some higher class guys and have all he wants. I loved watching Diaz get his face cut open by KJ Noones. Can't stand that guy and he showed what a poor sport he is, total lack of respect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
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Originally Posted by LEGION
Yeah I think that guy kind of gave up the second he felt a good shot off of Kimbo
I LOVED!!!! The fact Diaz got his ASS KICKED!!!!!!.....He is a poor sport...His brother Nate was annoying as all hell on the Ultimate fighter series as well....I can not believe the way he just stormed off.....Oh well...Good win for Noons
I actually grew to like Nate Diaz; not quite as annoying as Nick; at least not yet anyways. Good countering from Noones and Nick should be glad it didn't go further. His face would have been a mess. Very surprised at how poor of a sport he was. KJ should have talked sh#t about him storming out of the arena. Good guy though.
Yeah, I caught it. My first reaction was that the fight was rigged. The guy was tapping before he was hit. So it was either rigger or total fear.
KJ Noons.... bobbing and weaving in MMA? Shit, it DOES work. 8) Makes guys like Jardine, who's a standup fighter, look like shit.
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Originally Posted by Von Milash
Yeah my thoughts exactly but then after the slo-mo,,,the body shot landed right next to the heart and though the elbow was not all that flush the end did catch him behind the ear.....Then after that I think he just decided he did not want to fight....So the knockdown was real but don't think he was that hurt....
Good For Diaz maybe he will be a little more humble and better yet act like a champion in loss...KJ was a bobbing fool and on the feet beat Diaz like he said he would...Noons said before the fight he will keep it on the stand up and if it goes to the ground or if Diaz goes down he will just wait for him to stand...thats what he did and it worked...not often you see guys follow their game plan to the T
I think yall are overstating Noons success in that fight. Until the cuts I thought Diaz was in control and winning the round. I wouldn't be overly excited about winning a fight just b/c of cuts. I'd say a rematch is a must if Noons wants any legitmacy of his belt.
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Originally Posted by VanChilds
Noons dropped Diaz twice and when Nick shot it Noons sprawled....Diaz went down noons forced him to get up....the butt hop on the mat was funny as hell when Diaz was trying to get noons to come on the mat...
I do agree that Noons would have to repeat the action for the win to be considered legit
Well then let em' make the rematch. Noones did exactly what he said he'd do, as Daxx alluded to. Now I wish they wouldn't have stopped it as i would have liked to see Diaz get his face busted some more. He couldn't keep it down on the ground, except when he was getting punched down to the ground, and Noones looked cool and collected. Diaz is a game, tough dude no doubt, but he'll think twice about standing with that guy again. Diaz likes to take punishment to give it and get close enough to go to the ground, but he better figure a better way of doing it next time or the rematch will get stopped again when he gets cut up. Noones will work more in between on his take down defense and probably his ground game, so he'll be better. I hope he ktfo Diaz, so we can see Diaz throw another temper tantrum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
Van, godda disagree with you 100%. I've watched it twice now and yes, Nick was the guy coming forward, but his takedowns were fruitless and landed him a knee in the face, and he losing the standup quite badly.
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Originally Posted by Von Milash
He was coming foward but paying for it?.....That does not make you in control...Diaz was countered for the whole round
Yeah I know. I don't think you understood me. Noons won that fight 100%.
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Originally Posted by Von Milash
My Mistake...thought you were saying that Diaz was winning because he came foward,,,Sorry about that mate
I'd have to go watch again but I think he got 2-3 takedowns and it was only the first round. Yes noons stopped alot of the takedowns and yes he was able to get back to his feet. I'm not saying that he was handily losing only that up to the point where he cut Nick I didn't think he was winning. I thought Nick was controlling the ring and pace and landing just as good as Noons. Good job on getting the cuts b/c they obviously bothered Nick. I think Nick is douchebag, but he is also very talented and brings it every fight. Noons at the moment isn't in the same category as Diaz. Fedor has a loss by cuts in the first round as well but no body touts that guy. Let him rematch Diaz and win a real fight then I'll be more prone to celebrate Noons as anything other than a B level fighter.
No problem Daxx. 8)
I was a BIG Nick fan, still am a bit, (acted like a dick last night though), he is very talented... I've always said he looks like a boxer and picks his shots nicely, uses a jab nicely, etc. And he's fun to watch because he likes to trade and is good at it. But last night he tried to BOX with a boxer, and a boxer will always be able to counter a guy who likes to stand but isn't himself a boxer.
I want to see a rematch too. I believe Nick was losing, but I do now concede that a good takedown artist like couture WILL get a boxer down. But my contention is still the same...the sprawl is easier to to teach than boxing and it's harder to take them down than people think. Noons showed it last night, but maybe Nick will get him down next time. Two very good, tactical fighters.
I love yalls embracing of ANYONE with a boxing record as a "boxer" and celebration of their success. Noons has 7 pro boxing fights I think with only one against a guy with a winning record. He also was KO'd by Bennet who has about as much punching technique as butterbean. KJ may prove to be a great mixed martial artist but his career up to this point to include winning a 1 round fight due to cuts isn't anything to get all that excited about YET.
Yeah I've watched the Kimbo fight about 10 times now. Countin all the replays anyway. That Bo Cantrell guy, was terrified before the bell even rang, believe me. Watch the staredown again, the ref says "good luck" and Cantrell leans over to tap gloves with Kimbo and actually tells Kimbo "good luck". Then he tries a freakin wild spinning back fist from a distance he knows it won't land from, then taps out in a mad panic/frenzy as soon as he gets hit. Pathetic, he owed it to himself to fight better than that.
Can Kimbo be a success in MMA? Would that be good for the sport? I've yet to see either fights,going to watch them tonight.
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Originally Posted by Von Milash
IMO Nick came in that fight WAY over confident.....He was using the Crazy Horse loss as his guide to judge Noons....and he paid for it :-\....I like the guy as a fighter but he is a sore loser.....
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Originally Posted by VanChilds
I wouldn't call Noons a world calss boxer in fact some of those shots were WIDE as all hell but he used it enough to catch Diaz beiing careless...In MMA 7 fights is better then no considering some of those guys throw punches like bar drunks....
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Hard to actually judge what he has since both opps were so lousy.....
Took some time for me to work up the nerve to admit that I tuned in for Kimbo's big moment. I'm a MMA detractor, ya know. Well, I watched the replay after the "fights" when off...
Some about Kimbo Slice makes me feel sorry for him. I get this "no one ever loved me for who I am" vibe when I see him close up. Still, I will be cheering loudly when he his beaten in front of a mass audience.
Does anyone think that Bill Goldberg has something for Kimbo?
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Originally Posted by Hulk
LOL That was funny. I'm not used to this MMA stuff. He looked like Guile from Street Fighter.
Yeah, he shoulda used the Sonic Boom! ;D For real though, sometimes those spinning back fists do work, and connect, and knock the opponent down or out. Watch some George St. Pierre fights, he uses it well.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
That's true Van, and Diaz also has one pro boxing fight. BUT, Nick likes to stand, and to do it with a guy who has more boxing than him was a mistake. Now, what would Nick have looked like if you were to take 3 months to teach the sprawl to Cotto or Mosely?
With that said, Noons, who's a decent boxer, calling out De la Hoya and PBF...well, he's just stupid to think he'd last 30 seconds with either of those guys.
A resounding YES. I've said it here for a while now.... the guy has spent time in a gym. He hits like a truck and is strong as an ox. I beleive that if he was to start younger, he maybe could have been a force to be reckoned with in boxing or MMA. The guy is a machine and will only get better under BAS. And reall,y all BAS has to do is teach him a sprawl and some basic wrestling... and a sub or two along the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Von Milash
Yeah that one had me shaking my head as well....I was like :o....Did he just say what I think he did ???....Maybe Diaz caught him with a hard shot to the head we missed?
I honestly forgot about him saying that. It was so stupid I can't believe I forgot until I read your post. He's a decent boxer, which will work in MMA, but he shouldn't get carried away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Milash
KJ Noons is over excited.He just wants to make a big $$$. I've never like Diaz,he comes across like an ass to me. The Kimbo fight was woedul,I've never seen someone tap so early in a fight merely from punches. I thought the dude was going to be a badass and maybe give Kimbo a good fight(Bo was his name right) because of his experience and his audacity of coming into the ring with THAT beard. Kimbo looks powerful and working with Bas will be to hs benefit but I still question how far he can go.
Wow...haven't posted in quite some time now :P
Anyways...my thoughts on Kimbo:
Fight wasn't rigged....Bo is just a terrible C or D class fighter that took the fight on short notice to make a quick buck. He wasn't in the fight from the get go.
Kimbo is a friggin beast. Before, I always hated him. Just a big tough guy, no real skill or technique. But now, training under Bas, and truly (from Bas' own mouth) giving it everything he has to make it, he'll be a serious force. He'll lose some fights, and will never be a Fedor-esque fighter, but should easily dominate the smaller MMA circuits.
That being said...is it just me, or is Kimbo pretty much the answer to "What if (a much physically larger)Tyson did MMA?"
No, he isn't. :P But only because Mike is exceptionally more awesome with his fists. But I DO think Kimbo is a decent boxer... ie, he has at least some amateur training, ie, time spent in a boxing gym. And he hits friggin hard. It's unfortunate that kimbo wasn't discovered (or tried to persue a REAL career) sooner. I think he'll do well in even the top mma ranks, but we'll never truly know how awesome he could have been.
I think we are getting ahead of ourselves with Kimbo. Lets see him in the ring with someone that is going to push the pace and take him out of his comfort zone. There is no doubting he is physical beast or that he hits like a Mac Truck but his competition has been pretty weak so far.
This whole thing of Kimbo v Tank is a joke surely? Maybe 10 years ago but not now. Tank is old and very outta shape, he gases in the first round and has no other attributes apart from a huge punch.
I could beat tank. I'd run and let him hit air for 2 and a half mins and then when he is knackered take him down and get him in some kinda easy sub.
Ok then...maybe i wouldn't ;D
For starters, I'm not saying Kimbo is as good as Mike ever was, by a long shot. But he is the closest thing we have seen, and probably will see for a long time. He has a very similar bob and weave style from everything I've seen, with the addition of size and a potentially better chin (no real knowing at this point, although Kimbo did look terrible against Gannon). But I'm wagering this is the closest we can get. I think Kimbo has already proven Mike would have demolished the lower level competition (e.g. Cantrell). I look forward to seeing him in a prolonged bout.
But let me state this here: The Kimbo that you see in the bareknuckle fights is a can. The Kimbo we see in the ring is a whole different animal. I have ALWAYS hated Kimbo for being a scrub that can hit hard with a minimal at best amount of training. But when BAS FUCKING RUTTEN says that he is one of the best and the most dedicated students he has ever had, I take that to heart. Bas is no joke. He is (to me) THE best "old school" MMAist (over Royce, the Shamrocks, et al.). He trains hard and doesnt fuck around when it comes to brass tacks. Kimbo has yet to face any opposition worth mentioning, but when Bas Rutten says he is good, I believe Bas. Look for Kimbo to dominate his next few fights, then fight some serious competion. He'll probably win one, then lose one pretty badly against a legit MMAist. Then look for him to come back with a vengeance and dominate the lesser circuits and potentially compete well in a more "big time" circuit like the UFC, but probably never win a belt.
At his age, he probably won't win a belt, but I think that in a year or so he'll be able to challenge the sport's top fighters because, A) he hits like a friggin truck, and B) he'll get better under BAS, and C) even right now he's probably as strong if not stronger than most guys in the sport.
I agree though that kimbo validates the idea that Mike would have killed someone. As I've always said, they all start standing, and it's easier said than done to take a guy down when he's got devastating power like Mike did.
The more I watch mma and see who makes it to the top, I'm starting to believe that the only guys that would have a chance against mike in his prime are world class (meaning Olympic) wrestlers, like Randy. BJJ, IMO, isn't as good at getting a guy down....it's good for when you're there though.