Lewis Holyfield I.

Just re watched this fight, although Lennox is one of my all time fave fighters i tried to watch and score this fight this time as a neutral, and this has to be up there with the biggest robberies in the sports history, i remember being shocked watching it the first time round, but I found it hard to give Evander more than 2 rounds and one judge scored it a draw and another by 2 points for Evander, Lennox threw and landed twice as many punches, made for a better rematch though i suppose, sorry for bringing up old news guys but with rewatching and not being round here the first time had to post this.

mate im with u 100% on this one, what an absolute joke.. im one of Lewis biggest fans but ive rewatched the fight and he was robbed.

there are actually some people on here who think Evander won both fights :o, i started a similar thread a few months back.

I might be crazy but I did think Holyfield eeeked out a decision in the rematch

please tell me that comment was a wind up :'(

It's bizarre how judges who get it so wrong aren't taken out of the game for good, the woman who scored it for EH was judging in a recent big fight, but I can't remember which one.

You can understand close decisions when the rounds are open to interpretation, but that decision was a complete farce, and sadly there have been many other examples. I don't know why these judges who get it so blatantly wrong aren't charged with fraud since their are financial repurcussions from the results.

For the same reasons a hockey player who slashes another with his stick isn't charged with assault. They're allowed to police themselves but in the sport of boxing there aren't any real repercussions.

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Originally Posted by gudnite vienna

please tell me that comment was a wind up :'(

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Why should it be ?? Holyfield might of done enough in rematch, in some people's eyes nothing wrong in that 2nd fight was close.

I had Lewis clear winner by 3 rounds in there 1st meeting, there is no way on earth Holyfield got a draw. Punchstats were landslide, Lewis landed 300+ punches and Holyfield only landed 100+ punches.

This decision ranks up there with.

Jose Luis Ramirez vs Pernell Whitaker 1
Azumah Nelson vs Jeff Fenech 1
Julio Cesar Chavez vs Pernell Whitaker
Thomas Hearns vs Sugar ray Leonard 2
James Toney vs Dave Tiberi
Michael Spinks vs Larry Holmes 2

Etc.

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Originally Posted by The Fightfan

I might be crazy but I did think Holyfield eeeked out a decision in the rematch

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this is how i remember it also

Here are my opinions on robberys:

The Worst: Silverio Ortiz vs. David Diaz
Really Bad: Miguel A. Huerta vs. Almazbek Raymkulov
Bad: Pernell Whitaker vs. Jose L. Ramirez I
Owful: Lennox Lewis vs. Evander Holyfield I
Shit: Jose Santa Cruz vs. Joel Casamayor (For LG)

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Originally Posted by liquid

For the same reasons a hockey player who slashes another with his stick isn't charged with assault. They're allowed to police themselves but in the sport of boxing there aren't any real repercussions.

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It's the gambling part I was referring to about repurcussions, but in all honesty I don't give a shit about them.

Still, there should be some sort of vetting of them, I'd love the job, get ringside seats for huge fights and get a little cash as well, I doubt most of the guys on this board would have got it as wrong as that Eugenia Williams.

please lord nobody actually thinks EH won any of them fights do they?

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Here are my opinions on robberys:

The Worst: Silverio Ortiz vs. David Diaz
Really Bad: Miguel A. Huerta vs. Almazbek Raymkulov
Bad: Pernell Whitaker vs. Jose L. Ramirez I
Owful: Lennox Lewis vs. Evander Holyfield I

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i thought that last Joe Casymoyr match was shit scoring ..

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Originally Posted by Lords Gym

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Here are my opinions on robberys:

The Worst: Silverio Ortiz vs. David Diaz
Really Bad: Miguel A. Huerta vs. Almazbek Raymkulov
Bad: Pernell Whitaker vs. Jose L. Ramirez I
Owful: Lennox Lewis vs. Evander Holyfield I

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i thought that last Joe Casymoyr match was shit scoring ..

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I sware LG that if I could have come up with 1 more category that was the fight I was gonna put. But after 'Owful' I came up blank for another category. Maybe you or someone else can help me out? :D
'Shit Decision' maybe?

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Here are my opinions on robberys:

The Worst: Silverio Ortiz vs. David Diaz
Really Bad: Miguel A. Huerta vs. Almazbek Raymkulov
Bad: Pernell Whitaker vs. Jose L. Ramirez I
Owful: Lennox Lewis vs. Evander Holyfield I
Shit: Jose Santa Cruz vs. Joel Casamayor (For LG)

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Consider it done. LG ;)

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Originally Posted by gudnite vienna

please lord nobody actually thinks EH won any of them fights do they?

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I had Evander winning the second match . I give credit to the fighter willing to risk losing in order to win. the guy making the fight was Evander Holyfield. Lewis was a very smart fighter, but at times was a bit too cautious .

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Here are my opinions on robberys:

The Worst: Silverio Ortiz vs. David Diaz
Really Bad: Miguel A. Huerta vs. Almazbek Raymkulov
Bad: Pernell Whitaker vs. Jose L. Ramirez I
Owful: Lennox Lewis vs. Evander Holyfield I
Shit: Jose Santa Cruz vs. Joel Casamayor (For LG)

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Consider it done. LG ;)

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haha.. much love ! :laugh:

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Here are my opinions on robberys:

The Worst: Silverio Ortiz vs. David Diaz
Really Bad: Miguel A. Huerta vs. Almazbek Raymkulov
Bad: Pernell Whitaker vs. Jose L. Ramirez I
Owful: Lennox Lewis vs. Evander Holyfield I
S***: Jose Santa Cruz vs. Joel Casamayor (For LG)

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You can add Kirilov/Perez in there somewhere if you're up to it ;D

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Originally Posted by LEGION

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Here are my opinions on robberys:

The Worst: Silverio Ortiz vs. David Diaz
Really Bad: Miguel A. Huerta vs. Almazbek Raymkulov
Bad: Pernell Whitaker vs. Jose L. Ramirez I
Owful: Lennox Lewis vs. Evander Holyfield I
S***: Jose Santa Cruz vs. Joel Casamayor (For LG)
Mind Blowing: Dimitri Kirilov vs. Luis Perez (For Legion)

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You can add Kirilov/Perez in there somewhere if you're up to it ;D

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Done. ;)

Which reminds me of another HUGE upset this year.
Agbeko over Perez.

Lennox was completely robbed in the first fight. But I did feel Evander won the second by a very slim margin. I don't remember exactly what round it was in the second fight, but didn't Evander have Lennox in trouble of falling at some point in the fight?

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Originally Posted by caleoh12

Lennox was completely robbed in the first fight. But I did feel Evander won the second by a very slim margin. I don't remember exactly what round it was in the second fight, but didn't Evander have Lennox in trouble of falling at some point in the fight?

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I think it was 7th round if i remember right, he hurt Lewis with two big left hooks ??

no way did he win the second fight

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Originally Posted by The Fightfan

I might be crazy but I did think Holyfield eeeked out a decision in the rematch

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this is how i remember it also

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EH is my favorite fighter of all time.
And it pains me to say, he lost that first fight (convincingly) However, i think they made up for it when lewis got the decision on the rematch.
IMHO

I felt he won by a fair margin in the first one and the next time they fought i felt Lewis took it afain closer but Lewis to me won no question.

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Originally Posted by gudnite vienna

please lord nobody actually thinks EH won any of them fights do they?

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How many people have to say they thought he won the second fight to make you realize that yes someone actually thinks he won the second fight ???

You don't think the second one was a close fight? Most people do, whether they thought Lewis or Holyfield won. I don't know anybody that thought Holyfield won the first one.

Love Evander But 1st fightwas not even close At All.Lewis earned it.Lewis really killed him to the body in 5th.Off the canvas
That being said I am One who believed Holyfield edged It In second...If anything THAT one closer to a draw.

I had Lewis winning, but one can understand that Evander is one popular guy and even judges are human (Although they do make some monstorous decisions!!!)

I remember watching the second fight and thinking afterwards that had it not been for the fact of the obvious robbery in the first fight Holyfield maybe deserved a decision.

Don't think there was any judge who would have dared give Holyfield a close decision victory.

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Originally Posted by Mark TKO

I remember watching the second fight and thinking afterwards that had it not been for the fact of the obvious robbery in the first fight Holyfield maybe deserved a decision.

Don't think there was any judge who would have dared give Holyfield a close decision victory.

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You know what makes be laugh is that Holyfield actually done a lot better in 2nd fight, but the judges had it more wide than they did in 1st fight even though Holyfield won only 3 or 4 rounds at max in the 1st meeting.

I alwais find it so ridiculous when you see a robbery or controvesial scoring in favor of one fighter in the first fight and then to make up for it they robb the other guy on the seccond fight.

Holifield - Lewis 1 & 2 I still think Lewis won the seccond one but it was extreemly close and a draw would be justifiable though probably unforgivable given the circumstances.

Mosley - DLH 1 & 2 How the hell was that first fight a split decision, I'll never know, but the seccond one clearly topped it on bad scoring. Unanimous decision for Mosley? Come on.

Morales - Barrera 1 & 2 I still think the judges got confussed and switched the names of the fighters in both these fights. Barrera won the first one and Morales won the seccond one.

My mate scored it a draw the 1st Lewis Holyfield fight got a right bollicking ;D