Damn never thought I'd say it; I thougt Jermaine landed the more hurtful shots throughout the fight!
I definately think Jermaine won this fight.
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Damn never thought I'd say it; I thougt Jermaine landed the more hurtful shots throughout the fight!
I definately think Jermaine won this fight.
RObbery!!! Jermaine won
I disagree I had it 117-111 for Pavlik. I had Jermain winning the 2, 9, 10 rounds. I just thought that Pavlik did more throughout the whole fight. Taylor would land a few here and there. Pavlik was just consistant enough throughout each round.
Taylor won the fight. F Pavlik.
Fightnews says:
WBC/WBO middleweight champion Kelly Pavlik (33-0, 29 KOs) Jermain Taylor (27-2-1, 17 KOs) in a very exciting non-title encounter on Saturday night at the MGM Grand Garden Arena, Las Vegas. Fighting at a catch weight of 166, Pavlik was busier while Taylor landed the sharper punches. Most of the rounds were close, but it was Pavlik who closed stronger.
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Maybe the scorecard should have been a bit closer,but doesn't sound like a robbery...
Not a robbery at all. Even you you thought JT won, how would you score it? 115-113 Taylor is most favorable you could score it for JT. I had it 116-112 Pavlik. Even fight after the 10th, I gave the last 2 to Pavlik. Too close to be a robbery in either direction. All the judges agreed. No robbery.
I agree that he landed the biggest punches, but Pavlik's pressure and punch output far outweighed Taylor's. He fought well though but when a guy lands 3 times as many punches as you it is a loss. The big punches have to be KO punches to win a fight like this. Props to both guys for a good fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by piye
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Originally Posted by the wiz
If u had it 117-111 then your hi along with that judge. This was a robbery.
yea well i had it 115-113 taylor, but how could one judge get 117-111..thats ridiclous, i like pavlik and hate taylor but i have to respect taylor now he did good in this fight he should have won, w.e close fight
Compubox was off.. and this was politics. Jermain won this fight 116-112.
fightnews never says the "total" truth . When Casayomer "beat" his last opponent , fightnews said something around the lines "Casamoyer won a controversial decision" They never really emphasize , and try to not take sides from what i realized. 116-112 Taylor wins it hands down. Harder punches, cleaner punches, enough to win .
How? One punch equals one point, unless it causes a knock down. Taylor didn't land enough to win. He sure hit hard but when it only happens occasionally and the opponent isn't rocked by them it counts for nothing. Especially when he's getting backed up all night.Quote:
Originally Posted by toogood4u
Kelly rarely landed... man... Taylor outlanded him and im pissed..
I saw Taylor with a giant black eye. That was not a mouse on his face it was a rat.
I will have to watch the fight again once I download and convert to DVD but it was a pretty boring fight. This was nothing more than a high payed sparring session for Kelly. I wonder how much Lou DiBully paid Pavlik not to destroy his boy and allow him to go the distance.
Pavlik still wins.
Taylor will become marketable again but at what weight class?
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F yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
I had Taylor up nearly every round. The judges eyes were clouded with visions of a Pavlik KO which was not to happen. This clouded vision made them fail to see that JT outfought him in the process.
JT was sharper, more effective, faster, great defense, beautiful jab.
What did Pavlik do? Land a couple big shots that didn't faze Taylor and look sluggish?
Royal fuck job by the judges. UD my ass.
116 - 112 Taylor no way thats ridiculus i had Taylor winning the fight by 2 rounds based on his cleaner work and defense. Hard fight to score but Taylor did enough to edge it for me shame the judges didnt think so
compubox was way off. Taylor defended great. Man I bet 500 bucks on taylor at the end of round 11, since the odds were 3.5=1 . I thought he had a substantial lead. Im pissed too ,Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLuke
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Originally Posted by BigLuke
Haha, I'm high? You can't even use you're correctly. But in all seriousness how does everyone thing 116-112 isn't out of the question but 117-111 is? It's only a round difference.
Ridiculus? Then your score must be ridiculous also since we just had a one round differential ;)
Thats why I also read Bilbo RBR and Bilbo had Pavlik winning by a close decision and quite a few other members too...just as many seem to have Taylor winning the fight,so it must have been close and hence not a robbery...;)Quote:
Originally Posted by gest12645
Robbery?
Taylor did a good job of keeping the fight in the center of the ring, I'll give him that, but he did not throw enough, and a lot of his punches were blocked by Kelly.
I had it 116-112 for Pavlik
COMPUBOX
Pavlik total punches: 267/845
Taylor total punches: 178/456
Pavlik total jabs: 144/484
Taylor total jabs: 102/292
Pavlik power punches: 123/361
Taylor power punches: 76/164
Look, if you want to say Taylor's fewer, power punches outweighed the sheer number of Pavlik's punches that he landed, explain to me how Taylor couldn't see after the fight and Pavlik looked essentially unhurt. Pavlik landed more and did more damage. Period.
Did you see Taylor's right eye???Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLuke
He landed plenty, you must be very pissed if you thought Taylor won this fight. It was closer imo than the judges had it but Pavlik landed more punches, showed ring generalship and kept constant pressure throughout the fight.
Taylor landed occasional effective flurries but did not do enough to win.
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Originally Posted by the wiz
Dude.... were talking boxing... on a forum... dont correct my usage of your and yes i'll misuse it again cuz i really dont give a freakin crap.
Pavlik's pasty bald, scrawny ass is going to be exposed. Where's my trilogy. Arum must have offered the judges more than Dibella tonight.
People should stop throwing around the word "robbery," it really devalues it.
Robbery= Roy Jones Jr. at the Olympics, not Taylor losing to Pavlik. Just because you thought he won doesn't make it a robbery, especially when you can find just as many, if not more, people who believe Pavlik won.
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Originally Posted by BigLuke
LOL It was a response to you stating I was high. Jack ass
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Originally Posted by Swice
Exactly...
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Originally Posted by Swice
Those who wanted Pavlik to win thought he won. The fight was close enough that they could convince themselves of that and see what they wanted to see.
Fact is, Taylor consistently outboxed Pavlik and looked a class above the whole fight.
I felt it was 115-113 for Pavlik. Jermaine was being outworked by Pavlik towards the end. Taylor did land the more meaningful punches throughout the fight but Pavlik kept throwing and landing more in the end.
I had Taylor way in the lead in the beginning and the gap somewhat closing in the middle rounds and Pavlik taking the end of the fight. I guess finishing strong is more important than starting out strong.
Look i was tryin not to insult your intelligence... at least if you were high you would have an exscuse.. but i guess that just makes you a moron then.Quote:
Originally Posted by the wiz
The same can be said about Taylor fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cortez The Killer
well said...Quote:
Originally Posted by Swice
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Originally Posted by Cortez The Killer
well said..
This fight didn't even come close to a robbery, I must have been watching a different fight than half the people were if this qualifies as a robbery. Kelly consistently outlanded taylor, I didn't really see taylor landing the more significant shots there were no shots in there where you thought kelly is going down, where as taylor in the 11th was dam close to hitting the deck I think. 117-111 is a bit wide, but 116-112 or 115-113 pavlik are spot on. Also if kelly missed with half his punches then I guess they were still enough to fuck taylors eye up that bad....Sorry no robbery here, the right man definitely won! If this had been a 15 rounder of old I'm pretty sure taylor would have ended up on the deck. As for the compubox numbers when they're that heavily in favor of the winner and all the judges had it for the same guy there really is not much chance of there trullu being a robbery, instead people might be projecting their own perceptions onto something that really isn't there.
I think Taylor should of got the win
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Originally Posted by Swice
I'm not even a Taylor fan. I thought he would win tonight and I thought he won tonight. That is all.
But I know the Pillsbury dough boy has a large following due to his pasty skin, smooth bald head, and over reliance on the one-two combination which if his opponent moves his head is completely ineffective.
i thought pavlik won. he backed taylor up most of the fight whle landing considerably more punches. there were long stretches where taylor was simply not responding to pavliks patient aggresion. pavlik basically controlled the pace of the fight with his jab.
taylor did look quick though, and countered well. probably the 5 hardest punches of the fight where landed by taylor. but after that it was all pavlik.
Taylor outclassed him tonight. Believe me i could accept it if he was really beat, but turn down the volume and watch it and get back to me those of you who thought kelly won this fight.
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Originally Posted by Cortez The Killer
Thank, just speaking what I saw. Have some rep, you also must have good vision!Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLuke