Pavlik at 168:how would he do?
I think he would do really well and I'd favour him over anyone that stands directly in front of him ie Andrade,Miranda and quite a few other fighters but, and I've mentioned this before, anyone with lateral movement,some pop and good handspeed would give Kelly some problems. I'm thinking Calzaghe in particualr,I think he would beat up on Kelly. Pavlik's feet seem to be stuck in mud sometimes and he needs to learn to mix up his attack alot more, he did v Miranda but against Taylor,he was jab,jab right hand,repeat over and over and over. The guy is dam tough to beat the because he works 3 minutes of EVERY round and has power to back it up.
BTW,I think he wrecks Abraham.Sturm would be a good fight if Felix comes in at 100%,the styles thing. If Sturm uses box and move tactics,it would be interesting to see how Kelly would fare.
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Kelly's a big middleweight, so he should be able to move up to 168 effectively.
I'd favor Calzaghe against him. If Kessler is able to mentally come back from his loss, then I'd give him a very good shot at beating Pavlik.
I'd favor Pavlik against everyone else at 168 for now.
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i feel the same way pea, with his lanky frame he should be able to hold the extra few pounds. calzaghe would beat him, not 100% sure on kessler yet
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I think Pavlik Kessler would be a great battle of chess. It would be a bit of a jabfest, but I think Kessler may have the flexibility to gain advantage over Pavlik during the fight. I would tip Kessler but I think it would be a test for both fighters... I think Calzaghe would just have too much for Pavlik.. He's got the full 12 rounds in the tank to match Pavliks pressure throughout, and to much ammunition, to much adaptability..
As Kessler said, his style 'spoils your boxing'... He'd be getting around that 1,2 all night and frustrate Pavlik's fundamentals which are so strong for him...
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Pavlik would slot i nicely at 168, in fact I expect he'll fight at light heavyweight before his career is over. He's got a huge frame and still looks skinny at 166 lbs. It's possible imo he could end being a 3 weight world champ.
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Saturday's fight showed Pavlik could box effectively as well as bang, since he didn't just walk through Taylor. I also got the feeling that his power might not be as devastating at SM, he still landed a lot on Taylor but was never really that close to putting him away.
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El Gamo
I think he would do really well and I'd favour him over anyone that stands directly in front of him ie Andrade,Miranda and quite a few other fighters but, and I've mentioned this before, anyone with lateral movement,some pop and good handspeed would give Kelly some problems. I'm thinking Calzaghe in particualr,I think he would beat up on Kelly. Pavlik's feet seem to be stuck in mud sometimes and he needs to learn to mix up his attack alot more, he did v Miranda but against Taylor,he was jab,jab right hand,repeat over and over and over. The guy is dam tough to beat the because he works 3 minutes of EVERY round and has power to back it up.
BTW,I think he wrecks Abraham.Sturm would be a good fight if Felix comes in at 100%,the styles thing. If Sturm uses box and move tactics,it would be interesting to see how Kelly would fare.
:-\ Hi Gamo, i want to add about the news that i readed whiles ago that Pavlik said , he going make 3 defense in his title of 160 pnd middleweight and then to 168 pnd to see how he going feel in that weight , and righ now Tito dont going fight Pavlik , because he dont want get at 160 pnd , so maybe he going fight with John Duddy......That is what i readed it......:cool:
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Bomp
Saturday's fight showed Pavlik could box effectively as well as bang, since he didn't just walk through Taylor. I also got the feeling that his power might not be as devastating at SM, he still landed a lot on Taylor but was never really that close to putting him away.
Oh he hits hard at supper middle. Taylor just avoided his right hand like it was the plague. He landed one on Taylor with about one minute left in the first round that would starch out most fighters. If he would have landed that punch later in the fight, Taylor would have been out of there as you could see his head snap very violently.
Taylor just has a granite chin when he is not tired. he also has a lot of ring awareness and can prepare himself for bombs when he is fresh. Pavlik will be tough for anyone to beat. They can avoid his right hand, but then can simply get out worked by him. It will take someone with great foot and hand speed to beat him, and I can only think of one fighter at 168 with those attributes.
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There isn't really anyone that can beat him at 168 except Calzaghe but i would even give Pavlik a chance in that one, because one of Calzaghe's biggest weaknesses is the straight right hand which he was caught over and over again by Woodhall, Reid. Now Kessler vs Pavlik would a very interesting fight, both men throw straight punches, and both men have very good technique. The edge in boxing skills goes to Kessler and the advantage in power going to Pavlik, there really isn't much too choose between them. I would love to see Pavlik shut Froch's big mouth, although Froch has some skills his defense is terrible and i think Pavlik would get rid of Froch in quick time. Andrade vs Pavlik like i said ages ago would be a very bad night for Andrade, Andrade blocks punches with his face and although he has a granite chin theres only so much a man can take, i think Bute is the darkhorse of the division i think he would give Pavlik some trouble, and as for Mundine he is a good fighter with good handspeed and i see Mundine giving Pavlik some trouble, but Mundine's defense is too leaky for my liking.
Overall like someone said Pavlik still looked very skinny at 166, and he should move to 168 without sacrificing any of his attributes, i think he could even move up to 175 without sacrificing anything as well. But before Pavlik moves up i would like him to atleast beat Abraham.
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Here's my take.
Pavlik vs.
Calzaghe: Calzaghe by UD (If Calzaghe stays focused easy UD too much movement for anyone really, if Calzaghe tries anything "cute" though Pavlik is the man that can capitalize on it)
Kessler: Pavlik by UD (I can't see Kessler having the ability to adapt to Pavlik's attack, Kess is one of finest fundamental boxers in the game, I don't think that would help him one bit against Pavlik though)
Mundine: Pavlik KO (As mentioned before Mundine has a leaky defense
and a questionable eye now, Mundine has some definate speed, but Kelly's reach would nullify that advantage, after all if Sven Ottke could do it.....)
Bute: Bute by SD (This would be an excellent fight IMO, a great match-up both young fighters with everything to prove at 168, I think that Bute could actually outbox Pavlik, there I said it)
Andrade: Pavlik by KO (If you thought Andrade-Kessler was one sided, this would be sheer destruction)
Lacy: Pavlik by KO (Lacy has still looked like a broken man recently)
Froch: Pavlik by KO (I think Froch would catch him a few times, but Pavlik still prevails with his output)
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Deanrw
Oh he hits hard at supper middle. Taylor just avoided his right hand like it was the plague. He landed one on Taylor with about one minute left in the first round that would starch out most fighters. If he would have landed that punch later in the fight, Taylor would have been out of there as you could see his head snap very violently.
Taylor just has a granite chin when he is not tired. he also has a lot of ring awareness and can prepare himself for bombs when he is fresh. Pavlik will be tough for anyone to beat. They can avoid his right hand, but then can simply get out worked by him. It will take someone with great foot and hand speed to beat him, and I can only think of one fighter at 168 with those attributes.
I agree, not as devastating were my words, he'll still hit hard, but won't be able to depend on it IMO, which is why I was impressed with the way he essentially boxed his way to victory, and find a way around JT's tactics, I'm not convinced it was JT's stamina alone that gave Pavlik the last few rounds.
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I have to disagree with most of you.
Although Pavlik is a great fighter at 160lbs, I dont think he would be as good at 168lbs. In his last fight he showed the his weight is not much of a problem. He had a 166lbs weight limit and came in at 164lbs. That shows that he does not need the extra weight, and it does not benefit him. He also did not look quite as good in this past fight with Taylor. Although Jermain fought better, it did not seem Kelly had the same power. Maybe this was do to other circumstances, not sure.
IMO at 168lbs, the extra weight will hurt him more than help him. Since he is such a great fighter, he would fare well with many of the top guys. I just think he is a much better middleweigh than he would be a supermiddleweight.
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Pantera
I have to disagree with most of you.
Although Pavlik is a great fighter at 160lbs, I dont think he would be as good at 168lbs. In his last fight he showed the his weight is not much of a problem. He had a 166lbs weight limit and came in at 164lbs. That shows that he does not need the extra weight, and it does not benefit him. He also did not look quite as good in this past fight with Taylor. Although Jermain fought better, it did not seem Kelly had the same power. Maybe this was do to other circumstances, not sure.
IMO at 168lbs, the extra weight will hurt him more than help him. Since he is such a great fighter, he would fare well with many of the top guys. I just think he is a much better middleweigh than he would be a supermiddleweight.
Of course you will disagree your a bias Pantera fan ;) JK bro you ain't bias.
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I just didn't see enough off Kessler to really determine how good he is.He clearly got hurt by Calzaghe and what would a straight ahead bomber like Pavlik do against Kessler, I believe he'd get knocked out.Now I think Jermain Taylor and Kessler would be a very interesting fight.Another fight I've been hearing is Tito vs. Pavlik.Alot of people saying Tito would probably stop Pavlik.I must say please pass that crack pipe cause Tito is just too old,too slow and he does get knocked down and a banger like Pavlik will not allow him to get into the fight and simply put him away after the first few knockdowns.
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I would love to see pavlik-kessler
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Pantera
I have to disagree with most of you.
Although Pavlik is a great fighter at 160lbs, I dont think he would be as good at 168lbs. In his last fight he showed the his weight is not much of a problem. He had a 166lbs weight limit and came in at 164lbs. That shows that he does not need the extra weight, and it does not benefit him. He also did not look quite as good in this past fight with Taylor. Although Jermain fought better, it did not seem Kelly had the same power. Maybe this was do to other circumstances, not sure.
IMO at 168lbs, the extra weight will hurt him more than help him. Since he is such a great fighter, he would fare well with many of the top guys. I just think he is a much better middleweigh than he would be a supermiddleweight.
I think he will groove right into 168. He may have come in a 164 as he probably did not want to build muscle mass, as he fully planned on fighting at 160 again. When the time comes, he will be a great, but still skinny 168 pounder. The only difference in this fight over his last is he would not starve himself like he usually does. He is probably a natural 168 lb guy but stays at 160 via hard work and not letting his weight get out of control between fights.
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leftylee
Of course you will disagree your a bias Pantera fan ;) JK bro you ain't bias.
I am biased, no denying it! But I talk highly of Kelly. He has proven me wrong and I am seeing what other people do. I just think he is a P4P better fighter at 160lbs than to 168lbs.
Others can step up and do better (Cotto is a good example).
Although not proven yet, I think my boy Pantera will fare much better at the higher weight. Being 192lbs in the ring after a 170lbs weigh in shows how large he really is.
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being from Ohio, ill try not to be biased, but i dont think pavlik's power will go with him. He will still be heavy handed, but he will have to use alot more than a 1-2 combo at 168. He will mos def be amoung the elite at 168, but he wont stay undefeated.
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A fight I would love to see at 168 would be Pavlik and Andrade. That would be a fight that would definitely end in someone getting KTFO!!
