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Pretty much destroyed my right knee a while back. Still want to train to keep fit and just be around it. Can anyone suggest a training method to replace roadwork ? I have to have minimal impact on the knee. I've tried swimming but it's soooooo boring. Any ideas guys ?
Hey Shamrock,
I injured myself last year and thought that boxing was out of the question for me for a while. But I tried to raise my cartilage and synovial fluid levels and now I'm better than I was. I used fish oils, oily fish in my diet and hours of special preparation to get back my flexability.
As for an excercise to replace roadwork, how about rowing?
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I did the same thing when I first injured my knee. I had to do hours of physio to build up the muscle around the knee to protect the cruicate. wear and tear over the years has left it pretty much fecked though.
Rowing is an interesting idea though... cheers fella !
No worries mate.
i think all cardio is boring esp when you sit for an hour riding a bike or running...what is your goal? and what exactly is wrong with the knee? i just started to come back from dislocating mine at work, and it is almost 3 months and i can do a lot except walking on a down slope or going down stairs is painful. keep doing the pt excercises they will get you the strenght you need, then try doing sprints on a bike or an eliptical trainer, to reduce pounding and reduce boredom by shortening the time..if you are training for boxin, anerobic fitness is what you need if you want to loose fat, you can stick with reg cardio, but also wdd weightsas muscle burns more calories than fat.
try doing things like this...
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=9t1FlMUS32A
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Originally Posted by iceman
My goal... well I have no illusions of competing any more. I'm looking at coaching and I just want to be able to get back in the ring and be able to move around. Fat is not an issue I'm only about 3-4 pounds over what I used to be when I was fighting.
I have part of the cartlidge floating in my knee which is causing it to lock. Depending on the MRI results they will either shave or remove the cartlidge.
Swimming by yourself is boring. Swimming in a club is great. You get technique tips, people to race, you get pushed and learn to push more than you can alone.
Otherwise as someone said rowing is a good one, cycling isn't too bad, maybe rock climbing?
I've had a knee injury and I know how much it sucks. For me the answer was swimming but if that's not your thing I hope you find something else that suits. Good luck :)
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You kinda hit the nail on the head I get bored doing stuff on my own. Four of us used to do road work together and we used to make it into a competiton as well as having a laugh. Thanks for the good wishes ;)
they make some fantastic braces now days,
I had an ankle injury while back , found this brace had Velcro straps with laces fit in my boot. Unbelievable the support it game me.
Try walking.. Walking is underrated exercise. Grab the pup , the I-pod and go for an hour stroll. Great workout,
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My pup weighs more than me so I guess she'd be taking me for a walk lol.
Great news... The MRI showed no further damage to the cartlidge. The Dr says that with the correct physio and the right knee support I should be able to carry on training.
The only thing the scan showed was a bleed into the bone. He thinks that the knee dislocated and popped back in causing the damage. He does not know why the knee dislocated though and he said that the knee is not tracking correctly but he cant see why. Booked to see a 'knee tracking specialist' in 3 months...
Those kids at my local ABA club better watch out cos in 6 months time they're gonna have Danny Boy putting them through their paces :box3:
Many thanks for all the kind wishes guys... seems they may have worked...
Do you get any back pain at all? Any stiffness in your hips even if it's not painful just a bit tight?
I think my knee pain came from having a tight Psoas. A chiro helped teach me how to keep my lower back loose and that helped.
I find when my back is bad, knee misalignment and pain follows. No back pain, no knee pain.
I'm working on stretches that might help keep my hips loose now.
Here's a passive stretch which works wonders for my lower back and a website on the Psoas muscle just in case any of the symptoms ring true for you. This stretch is good but I'm also looking for more.
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s.../lowerback.jpg
OK the pic above is the closest I could find to it on the net (that's not me). Add a chair to support the legs, lay your arms open and straight out to the side and put a small pillow under your head if you want. Lay there for 15 mins and you'll feel AWESOME!
There's a pretty wide range of symptoms so check it out even if my symptoms sound different from yours:
The Psoas Muscle and Back Pain on Squidoo
Good luck :)
Hey sharla
I get back pain on the same side that my knee is injured and stiffness virtually down that whole side.
I'm gonna give this a try. Many thanks for taking the time to help out ;D
You know Shamrock, it's always been noted that a damaged back can affect the legs.
However, it works in reverse too, a damaged leg can damage the back in turn. This is often a result of an altered gait or compromised balance.
A wobble board (if your able) may be a help.
I had issues with my ankles and calves before. I had neglected them in all training and I found they became sore and damaged easily. The wobble board strengthened my lower legs and....I know this ounds drastic....but it really did make me a fitter, more well conditioned individual by allowing me to train to my optimum level.
Yeah I here ya Donny. I've started getting stiffness in my other leg and the DR assured me that is purely down to the way I'm walking to overcompensate for the injured knee on the other side. To be honest I've heard so many different opinions from the Dr's I'm starting to lose faith in them.Quote:
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I'm going to see the physio I used to use when I was boxing and basically put myself totally in his hands. At least I trust the guy 100 %
I had ACL operation on right knee2 years ago and have not played football since although I am 3 weeks away from playing again. It has been my only motivation to get back into condition. I had cartilage surgery on my left knee, think they trimmed it about 9 months ago. They said I have no ligament in it but it feels stable. I have strengthened them using the cross trainer which can be boring but listening to good music passes the time. I also run on the grass with good trainers and have had no effects.
You're welcome - it took so long for me to work this out I had to have some input.Quote:
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I had a physio who insisted my knee and back pain were completely unrelated without really exploring the possibility at all. He wasted months of my time and a LOT of my money! Basically I can relate to your frustration!
Yeah whether it's the cause of or resulting from the back pain having tight muscles pulling you out of alignment won't help your knee.
I didn't begin to have any stable, consistant recovery from my knee pain until I learnt how to treat the back problem.
What hitmandonny pointed out is also relevant. I wanted to rep you for that hitmandonny but I have to spread it around! They say that Psoas tightening can come from muscles in your feet not functioning correctly. Oddly enough I got orthodics, my back pain increased after a while and then a bout 6 months later my knee went.
One of my (many) theories is that the orthodics limited my usual range of motion of muscles in my feet which tightened my Psoas, increased my back pain and then after this worsened over a certain threshhold my knee took it.
If I was working on a wobble board or medicine balls with bare feet the exercise would have both strengthened those muscles which become weak in rigid shoes and stretched my calves and hamstrings etc
I think the best approach is to do stretches etc which target all your areas of pain because they might be aggrivating each other and slowing your recovery regardless of what started it.
Let us know how it goes. I'd be interested in learning from your experience as a case study sort of thing :)
Injurys and keeping oral stability is hard and basically thats the problem for rehabillatating most injurys, thats the problem in a nutshell ;D
Sharal raised a very good point there.
Muscle problems in th efeet can realy trigger problems in th elgs. They may not actually create any effect until they are given a trigger such as an injury or large increase in work, but when they do they can cause many problems.
This may be of absolutley no help to you though, sorry Shamrock
It is helpful! Don't sell yourself short hitmandonny!
If you encourage the tight muscles in your lower back to loosen and any muscles in the legs to loosen which are tight you've got a better chance of correcting the tracking problem in your knee. So the stretch I put up and any other Psoas stretches will help.
I find I have tight gluts so I have to loosen them a lot to get into the proper stretch but someone else I know is limited more by her hamstring flexibility so that will be an individual thing you'll discover as you get into your stretching.
Some medicine ball work which Scrap has put up before will help stretch the hamstrings and get your oral stability and proper foor muscle function back:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBaA7tNSRNk
Hope you don't mind me putting this in Scap - I got it from your giveaway videos link.
As I said before Shamrock please let us know how you're going. I'll be really interested to know how much faster your recovery is when you can start treating all of the effected muscles from the beginning.
Sharla, I don't know If thats going to help Shamrock, but thats going to help me for sure!
Just before I got sick, I was having a bit of stiffness in my back and glutes. The rest I have been forced to take will probably help and those stretches surely will! If I can rep you now I will!
A few years ago apremier player came to me 2weeks after being operated on for a snapprd C L PLUS Snapped A L snapped Patela tendon. We had him playing 1st team football in 3 months.
You might have stiffness in the same places I do! It's a long shot but just in case I'll try to get some pics on here of some stretches I have found recently. Maybe they'll help you too? I'll try to get to it today if not over the weekend - it's a long weekend in Australia this weekend - public holiday on Monday for Adelaide cup day :) :) :)Quote:
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Ouch so he just about had the knee cap floating randomly - and you got him back in 3 months! He must think of you as his guardian angel Scrap! :)
Right Hitmandonny - I tried scanning pics from my stretches book in but am having issues - something to do with space.
So anyway in case you've heard of them, can find them in a book you have or can borrow this book from your local library (SUPERSTRETCH by Jacqueline Lysycia) these are the stretches I've found hit the spot for me:
Some of these like the Shoelace forward bend I wouldn't do when your knees feel unstable but they are great glut looseners!
- Standing side bend
- Standing hamstring stretch
- Easy twist
- Chest Release
- Spine twist
- Inside and outside hip openers
- Frog Stretch
- Hurdle Stretch
- Seated stradle
- Low and high Dragon lunges
- Runners lunge
- Sleeping swan stretch which follows on to the Upright swan
- Shoelace foreward bend
- Seated waist stretch
- Seated chest stretch
I got all of these from a book with nice big glossy pictures which is targeted towards women. There's not really enough upper body and arm stretches in it for me to recommend it specifically for boxers but it has a lot for the hips, legs and lower back.
I'd be interested in what other references people have and recommend for stretching?
I should mention I am stretching before bed at the moment so I have time to hold a lot of these for a couple of minutes without worrying about getting too cold to train and take a while to get through them. I don't think I could fit this in regularly before or after training!
Went to the physio today and she has strapped my knee. It's tracking quite dramatically to the side which has tightened the tendonds and tissues down from my thigh to my knee. Got to leave the strapping on for about a week and continue my exercises and then she will review it. She seems to really know what she's doing and I'm feeling more confident that it will get sorted.
Thats good mate, I'm happy for ya and hope it repair itself in time.
Good luck Shamrock.
I went to play football for the first time in two years with my mates this Sunday but not enough turned up so it was cancelled. I will play next week, it is on grass so easier on the knees but I do want to play indoor too but will not risk that yet. The physio advised me not play yet but I feel bored on the cross trainer and my knee feels more stable.
Cheers guys.
Master I know how hard it is mate but it's really important to be patient. Just think how much worse it would be to rush back to playing and then give yourself an even bigger set back. Better to miss out in the short term and get back to 100% fella :)
You know I had that taping done to my knee and to be honest it didn't help me. that doesn't mean it won't help you. I really would get that stiffness in your lower back checked out by a chiropractor or an osteopath though.
The physios swore blck and blue that my back and knee were not related but they were and when treating the back the knee made a full, swift recovery.
Don't underestimate the connection there. If your back is sore it probably needs treating regardless of whether or not it helps your knee. Don't just endure the pain.
Good luck mate :)
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Originally Posted by Sharla
Yes I took your previous advice and I've got an appointment booked with a chiropractor too.
cheers buddy ;)
Sharla just wanted to say a huge thanks for this advice. I spoke to the physio today and mentioned the pain I've been having in my back she said straight away that this could be a major factor in the tightening in my knee and has started treating it. The main excercise she wants me to do is virtually identical to the one you posted.Quote:
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Much appreciated ;)
I have been playing football on grass for 3 weeks and I pulled my calf, and I have never ever had that injury since I have played the game, which is all my life. I must have overstretched it and it popped during the match. Slowly walking on it again, but the knee is holding out and does not cause me any major problems so far.
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Hope it mends quick fella !!! What position do you play ?
You're welcome Shamrock. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ShamrockSharla just wanted to say a huge thanks for this advice. I spoke to the physio today and mentioned the pain I've been having in my back she said straight away that this could be a major factor in the tightening in my knee and has started treating it. The main excercise she wants me to do is virtually identical to the one you posted.Quote:
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Much appreciated ;)
I know these things can be really difficult to diagnose and manage and there are so many possible causes and consequences that it can be really frustrating to nut out. I know it was for me!
I hope things start improving for you and don't hesistate to let us know how things are going because your situation sounds like it might not be too different from mine so I might be able to learn a lot from you here! :)
Midfield but not playing in any league this season too late and not fit enough. Next season, I think I am Steven Gerrard but the lads think I play like Robbie Savage!:)Quote:
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Hope it mends quick fella !!! What position do you play ?
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Originally Posted by MasterMidfield but not playing in any league this season too late and not fit enough. Next season, I think I am Steven Gerrard but the lads think I play like Robbie Savage!:)Quote:
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Hope it mends quick fella !!! What position do you play ?
:o All blonde hair and falling over lol
I had the same thing .when I was young I fell out of a tree and hit my knee on a brick. seemed ok after the initail shock and got better. about 10 years later i was off down the street and my knee locked up totally.Quote:
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Originally Posted by iceman
My goal... well I have no illusions of competing any more. I'm looking at coaching and I just want to be able to get back in the ring and be able to move around. Fat is not an issue I'm only about 3-4 pounds over what I used to be when I was fighting.
I have part of the cartlidge floating in my knee which is causing it to lock. Depending on the MRI results they will either shave or remove the cartlidge.
turned out i had shattered my knee cap internally and a lump 3/4 inch x 3/4 inch had grown seperatley for years under the cap linked by a stem which snapped and the block caught and seized my knee.
That was the old days when they had to go in with shovel :rolleyes:.Once you have a weakness you have to look after it every way you can, mentally too and with feelings too.
Our bodies follow our minds, our minds follow our deepest feelings so there are major links all the way through each way.
If our bodies arent following our driven messages to it, it follows our deepest feeelings,fears or likes through the sub consiouss.
Knees represent a link mentally into stubborn pride and ego.
inflexabilty to not giving in.
The mental thought that you need to write down and say aloud to your self so that your subconsiuss gets the new message is:
"Forgivness,Understanding.Compassion.
I bend and flow with ease and all is well." write it down read it out "aloud" to yourself everyday, alot, and see what your body does with your new directions you have given it.
Your mind runs the show either by you consiously,or if your not taking control it will do it any way in secret sub consiously through your deepest feelings, change movie reels and the body has to follow, thats its job.
Left side of body is 'feeling orientated' from the right side of your brain. often by female or ying disruption.
right side of body is often male analytical driven feelings that have effects from the left hemishphere, or the male yang side of us.
Being a male and in your position;
educated guess ; is its your left knee and your inflexable towards a female and moving along in life regards to both your deeper feelings,right or wrong.
[quote=Andre;505798]I had the same thing .when I was young I fell out of a tree and hit my knee on a brick. seemed ok after the initail shock and got better. about 10 years later i was off down the street and my knee locked up totally.Quote:
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Originally Posted by iceman
My goal... well I have no illusions of competing any more. I'm looking at coaching and I just want to be able to get back in the ring and be able to move around. Fat is not an issue I'm only about 3-4 pounds over what I used to be when I was fighting.
I have part of the cartlidge floating in my knee which is causing it to lock. Depending on the MRI results they will either shave or remove the cartlidge.
turned out i had shattered my knee cap internally and a lump 3/4 inch x 3/4 inch had grown seperatley for years under the cap linked by a stem which snapped and the block caught and seized my knee.
That was the old days when they had to go in with shovel :rolleyes:.Once you have a weakness you have to look after it every way you can, mentally too and with feelings too.
Our bodies follow our minds, our minds follow our deepest feelings so there are major links all the way through each way.
If our bodies arent following our driven messages to it, it follows our deepest feeelings,fears or likes through the sub consiouss.
Knees represent a link mentally into stubborn pride and ego.
inflexabilty to not giving in.
The mental thought that you need to write down and say aloud to your self so that your subconsiuss gets the new message is:
"Forgivness,Understanding.Compassion.
I bend and flow with ease and all is well." write it down read it out "aloud" to yourself everyday, alot, and see what your body does with your new directions you have given it.
Your mind runs the show either by you consiously,or if your not taking control it will do it any way in secret sub consiously through your deepest feelings, change movie reels and the body has to follow, thats its job.
Left side of body is 'feeling orientated' from the right side of your brain. often by female or ying disruption.
right side of body is often male analytical driven feelings that have effects from the left hemishphere, or the male yang side of us.
Being a male and in your position;
educated guess ; is its your left knee and your inflexable towards a female and moving along in life regards to both your deeper feelings,right or wrong.[/quote]
Okay buddy you just scared the crap out of me with how accurate that last statement was..... :o
Cool ,some people actually hate you when you show them the deeper way to getting better.
Sometimes you get them physically better in a matter of miniutes but its like shining a light on why and they hate you for it. Like kicking their life crutch out from under them.;D