Just rewatched Pacquaio-JMM 1

First of all I would like to say that people who feel JMM "figured" Pacquaio out are totally wrong. First Pacquaio knocks Marquez down three times in a brutal first round. Then Marquez was recovering in the second round. the next three or four rounds Marquez adjusts and Pacquaio can't land anything, nor can he get off because Marquez realizes Pacquaio is just trying to land huge punches. Then in the 7th or 8th Pacquaio starts boxing more and the fight is pretty even but Pacquaio has a slight edge until the end. Personally I have pacquaio winning by a round, but it could easily be a draw because one round he landed thebetter shots but JMM landed more punches.

That being the said the one thing that caused Pacqaio the most problems besides the fact JMM is a great boxer is that Marquez really used slick movement to avoid Pac's assault... It was some of the best footwork I've seen, and reminded me of Hopkins against Trinidad or Tarver, JMM was always on his balance point and he was always quick to retaliate, but now he is much more flat footed which means he will be far easier for Pac to hit, and he has slowed down much more than Pacquaio.

Marquez should of got the win

I think that Realizing and Adjusting are as close as you can get to figuered.He solved pacs early aggression and Pac was put into a boxing mode showing some wicked Lefts. I do think Marquez has fought to face first at times rescently...unnecessarily.He mixed his sharp planted counters and great footwork in the first meet.I dont see either one as tuned up and polished as in there first fight...alot of hard rounds under the bridge each....but I do think Marquez can take Him.

There are two differences first JMM didn't have PAcquaio figured for the whole fight like some people claim, Pacquaio made an changes and JMM lost his advantage he had going. Secondly, Pacquaio is better than he was be a long shot while JMM is worse than he was then. Last but not least Pacquaio is better than JMM, he might not be as good of a boxer, or defensively but his offense is so good he overcomes all his shortcommings and is one of the most special fighters we've seen ina long time.

One thing is for sure, that was jmms best performance and best fight in his whole life. the fight was controversial and ironnically jmm is suppose to be technically better but technically pac should of won that. Yes, if not for the ref scoring the first round wrong. Jmm will need to pull off another best performance of his life just to survive again let alone win. Worst of all, for jmm his facing an even better pacman. Not only did but he piss pacman off by saying pac is not a mexican killer. Ok pac doesn't like to be dubbed that and the race thing is stupid but its not what jmm said its how jmm was saying things that got under pacs skin. Now pac is in the gym focus and in murderous mode. For a long long time no reports of pac bein unfocus and all the bs that comes before his fights. Jmm not only had it bad before, now he made it even worst by pissing pac off. No doubt jmm won't survive this time. The great counter puncher JMM wll get countered by a right hook and down and out he'll be.

I can't see Marquez winning the rematch. He's not got better just older.

PacMan has more experience since the last fight and will win in a more convincing manner. Good match-up.

This is a hard pick, but I will select JMM for winning the fight. He really has great skills and I think that this time he will be more careful of not being hit as he was in the first round (first fight). I think Pacman could surprise him with his speed and power, but JMM survived and made the adjustments. I believe JMM will be better prepared this time, and Pacman already lost the surprise factor of the first fight.

I think the fight was rightfully a draw. I think the rematch could go the same way with but I dont see JMM getting knocked down 3 times so Ill say Marquez will win a close and controversial decision. I think the first fight was not so much that JMM figured out Pac, Pac just couldnt figure out Juan.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

First of all I would like to say that people who feel JMM "figured" Pacquaio out are totally wrong. First Pacquaio knocks Marquez down three times in a brutal first round. Then Marquez was recovering in the second round. the next three or four rounds Marquez adjusts and Pacquaio can't land anything, nor can he get off because Marquez realizes Pacquaio is just trying to land huge punches. Then in the 7th or 8th Pacquaio starts boxing more and the fight is pretty even but Pacquaio has a slight edge until the end. Personally I have pacquaio winning by a round, but it could easily be a draw because one round he landed thebetter shots but JMM landed more punches.

That being the said the one thing that caused Pacqaio the most problems besides the fact JMM is a great boxer is that Marquez really used slick movement to avoid Pac's assault... It was some of the best footwork I've seen, and reminded me of Hopkins against Trinidad or Tarver, JMM was always on his balance point and he was always quick to retaliate, but now he is much more flat footed which means he will be far easier for Pac to hit, and he has slowed down much more than Pacquaio.

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How many times in one post will you contradict yourself?....You start out with "People who think JMM figured PAC out are all wrong"..

Then go on to say Jmm adjusted to him in the next 3 or 4 rounds and PAC could not land anything...nor get off punches because JMM kknows he is just trying to land one big shot....

That is called FIGURED OUT!!! He realized Pacquaios strategy then he found a way to nullify it

This was my scorecard last time i watched the fight.

1 Pacquiao 10-6
2 Pacquiao 10-9
3 Marquez 10-9
4 Marquez 10-9
5 Marquez 10-9
6 Marquez 10-9
7 Pacquiao 10-9
8 Marquez 10-9
9 Marquez 10-9
10 Pacquiao 10-9
11 Marquez 10-9
12 Marquez 10-9

113-112 Marquez

i felt marquez won

First off, as I've always said, Marquez won that one. But if you think a guy having been knocked down thrice in the first, make adjustments and can win nearly all round afterwards just like that? - that won't happen and I doubt that ever happened. The secret is that pac injured his feet after his intense exersion on the first. We've seen his badly sored and swollen feet right after the fight there at the ringside (I mean on the tube). Of course you won't take my word for it. I've been always scoffed off for this here but I'm smiling 'cause this will be proven in couple of weeks. Just watch round two, pac stopped fighting and Marquez wasn't even countering. Anyone who knows pac knows that once pac sees blood, he won't stop until his prey is down and out - it's always been like that, no exception. Pac gave Marquez entire second round to recover. Just think about it, a guy who knocked his opponent down thrice in one round can't even land one clean power shot after that? No way, especially if you consider that pac is a pretty fast fighter too. He can't land his shot and just got countered 'cause he couldn't move fast enough. Simple as that.

All right anti-pacs, don't be rattled. This whole issue would be settled soon enough, so let's just wait. I think pac can KO marquez anytime he choses to, even in first couple of rounds. You know in most big fights, pac has a self-designated round to try finishing off his foe. In Morales II, it was round 6. In Morales III, it was Erik trying to finish pac off early so pac had no choice but fight back agressively early regardless of what his plans might have been. On Barrera II, it was round 11 - pac got agressive and stunned Barrera and Marco had to resort to dirty tactics to thwart pac's momentum, and he succeeded. I'm not even worried about pac been outboxed. Pac can outbox Marquez, period. He's got quicker feet to do just that. My only concern is pac getting careless and getting knocked down or out. One of the most under-rated aspect of Marquez' boxing is his power. Believe me he is one of the best p4p punchers today, together with pac, de Leon and few others. I think if pac is careful with those punches, there should be no problems...

I have watched this fight many of times and just can't give to either fighter in rounds I would say Marquez but score totals I have a draw.If that makes sense.For most of you who disagree and say Marquez didn't figure out Pacquiao.I would just have to disagree.I feel Pacquiao did start to come on late but the last round was Marquez as far as I seen.As for some say Pacquiao is just so overwhelming with his offense and dosen't matter what Marquez does are just nuts.This fight will be a fight of the year.I think Marquez is at his peak and Pacquiao really has slowed down and is not as he once was as a punching dynamo.I would have to say watch Marquez vs Barrera then Pacquiao vs Barrera all excuses aside.Marquez gave a boxing lesson to Barrera and Pacquaio in my book really didn't look good in fact he looked old.It's one of those thing's were Pacquiao lost a little bit and Marquez has gained a little bit.I nod towards Marquez.

I will go with my earlier prediction and say Marquez stops Pac-man in the tenth.

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Throw out the 1st and you have a competitive 7th and 8th. Help us understand how this is not figured out on the behalf of JMM? Especially knowing your foe just rocked you 3 times in one round ! What happened is that Pac was forced to box backwards and experienced a steady diet of body punches for the 1st time. Pac is human and he grimaced from the body shots JMM administered. View the tape buddy. If JMM dictates the pace of the fight, trust me the judges will rule in favor of JMM. Lunging and floundering around the ring with missed home run shots do not equate to positive style points (perception)

Boxing vs Boxing = I'll take JMM

Brawling vs Brawling = I'll take Pac

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Originally Posted by pacfan

First off, as I've always said, Marquez won that one. But if you think a guy having been knocked down thrice in the first, make adjustments and can win nearly all round afterwards just like that? - that won't happen and I doubt that ever happened. The secret is that pac injured his feet after his intense exersion on the first. We've seen his badly sored and swollen feet right after the fight there at the ringside (I mean on the tube). Of course you won't take my word for it. I've been always scoffed off for this here but I'm smiling 'cause this will be proven in couple of weeks. Just watch round two, pac stopped fighting and Marquez wasn't even countering. Anyone who knows pac knows that once pac sees blood, he won't stop until his prey is down and out - it's always been like that, no exception. Pac gave Marquez entire second round to recover. Just think about it, a guy who knocked his opponent down thrice in one round can't even land one clean power shot after that? No way, especially if you consider that pac is a pretty fast fighter too. He can't land his shot and just got countered 'cause he couldn't move fast enough. Simple as that.

All right anti-pacs, don't be rattled. This whole issue would be settled soon enough, so let's just wait. I think pac can KO marquez anytime he choses to, even in first couple of rounds. You know in most big fights, pac has a self-designated round to try finishing off his foe. In Morales II, it was round 6. In Morales III, it was Erik trying to finish pac off early so pac had no choice but fight back agressively early regardless of what his plans might have been. On Barrera II, it was round 11 - pac got agressive and stunned Barrera and Marco had to resort to dirty tactics to thwart pac's momentum, and he succeeded. I'm not even worried about pac been outboxed. Pac can outbox Marquez, period. He's got quicker feet to do just that. My only concern is pac getting careless and getting knocked down or out. One of the most under-rated aspect of Marquez' boxing is his power. Believe me he is one of the best p4p punchers today, together with pac, de Leon and few others. I think if pac is careful with those punches, there should be no problems...

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Cheap socks, mysteriously hurt feet, Jesus Christ you sound so pathetic!!! At least they are related to the feet. You must be A) Pac's personal Jester B) Excuse generator C) Podiatrist D) All of the Above

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

How many times in one post will you contradict yourself?....You start out with "People who think JMM figured PAC out are all wrong"..

Then go on to say Jmm adjusted to him in the next 3 or 4 rounds and PAC could not land anything...nor get off punches because JMM kknows he is just trying to land one big shot....

That is called FIGURED OUT!!! He realized Pacquaios strategy then he found a way to nullify it

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Um read the rest of it... Marquez had him figured out for 3 or 4 rounds ,but after that Pacquaio changed his style and Marquez lost his advantage.

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Originally Posted by ICB

This was my scorecard last time i watched the fight.

1 Pacquiao 10-6
2 Pacquiao 10-9
3 Marquez 10-9
4 Marquez 10-9
5 Marquez 10-9
6 Marquez 10-9
7 Pacquiao 10-9
8 Marquez 10-9
9 Marquez 10-9
10 Pacquiao 10-9
11 Marquez 10-9
12 Marquez 10-9

113-112 Marquez

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Thats bs Marquez didn't even win close to that many of the late rounds. No offense, but there is no way Marquez won both 11 and 12, one he could have, but not both, and same with 8... I had the last 5 rounds go 3-2 for Pacquaio, he landed the way better punches and maybe was outlanded by 1 or 2 punches in rounds where he landed 5 or 6 punches harder than anything Marquez landed.

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Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing

Cheap socks, mysteriously hurt feet, Jesus Christ you sound so pathetic!!! At least they are related to the feet. You must be A) Pac's personal Jester B) Excuse generator C) Podiatrist D) All of the Above

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Relax pal, we'll see who the real fool is in couple of weeks. But be very careful, I'm really good at analyzing boxing and I hardly go wrong.;D:)

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Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing

DENIAL DENIAL DENIAL DENIAL DENIAL DENIAL DENIAL DENIAL DENIAL DENIAL !!!

Throw out the 1st and you have a competitive 7th and 8th. Help us understand how this is not figured out on the behalf of JMM? Especially knowing your foe just rocked you 3 times in one round ! What happened is that Pac was forced to box backwards and experienced a steady diet of body punches for the 1st time. Pac is human and he grimaced from the body shots JMM administered. View the tape buddy. If JMM dictates the pace of the fight, trust me the judges will rule in favor of JMM. Lunging and floundering around the ring with missed home run shots do not equate to positive style points (perception)

Boxing vs Boxing = I'll take JMM

Brawling vs Brawling = I'll take Pac

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Are you kidding me? Marquez only had the advantage for rounds 3-6 that isn't. I just watched the fight, maybe you should. By the seventh round Pacquaio was landing again until the end of the fight. Some of those rounds Marquez won, but some Pacquaio won, and neither had much of an advantage, but Pacquaio definitely was punching harder. Just by saying that Pacquaio was only competitive in rounds 7 and 8 I question whether you've seen the fight in the last 3-4 years.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

Thats bs Marquez didn't even win close to that many of the late rounds. No offense, but there is no way Marquez won both 11 and 12, one he could have, but not both, and same with 8... I had the last 5 rounds go 3-2 for Pacquaio, he landed the way better punches and maybe was outlanded by 1 or 2 punches in rounds where he landed 5 or 6 punches harder than anything Marquez landed.

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Round 8 was close and could of gone either way, and if i remember right Marquez clearly won the 11th, the 12th was quite close but i felt Marquez outlanded Pacquiao in that round and slightly got the better of the exchanges. You can't say there is *No way* Marquez won those rounds, because the 12th and 8th were close and no one clearly won those rounds they were highly competitive rounds.

I agree to disagree... I don't think Marquez won both the last two rounds. I remember him clearly winning one of them, but not both, and also the 8th IMO was close, but Pacquaio landed harder shots in the 8th where both them really couldn't do anything. In the 12th however Pacquaio landed more, and better punches.

The reason why pac started to land some shots at last couple of rounds was that marquez started to slow down a bit and pac started to mount his last hurrah offense.

I scored the first fight 7-5 for Marquez in rounds, but the 3 knockdowns in Round 1 made it a 113-112 points win for Pacquiao.

I think the rematch is a 50/50 fight odds-wise, but my gut tells me Marquez will win by close decision.

I just realized. Posters on this thread that says Pac would lose to JMM are pretty much the same people who picked MAB over Pac.

Tsk! tsk! HATE is a sad thing.

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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

I just realized. Posters on this thread that says Pac would lose to JMM are pretty much the same people who picked MAB over Pac.

Tsk! tsk! HATE is a sad thing.

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I picked Pacquiao to beat Barrera by knockout.

There's a big difference between Pac-Barrera II and Pac-Marquez II. Pac destroyed Barrera in the first fight, while the first Marquez fight was a great back-and-forth fight.

There are plenty of reasons to pick Marquez to win that have nothing to do with being a "Pacquiao hater."

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

I picked Pacquiao to beat Barrera by knockout.

There's a big difference between Pac-Barrera II and Pac-Marquez II. Pac destroyed Barrera in the first fight, while the first Marquez fight was a great back-and-forth fight.

There are plenty of reasons to pick Marquez to win that have nothing to do with being a "Pacquiao hater."

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Yea, I hope "addicted_to_boxing" have the same point of view.

I'd like to mention that the experts also picked Morales in the rematch and the rubbermatch, and Barrera in the rematch. Experts in general favour boxers with technical skills over boxers will natural ability. This fight will test the chin of two warriors. Marquez drop by Barrera in their bouts that ruled slip and Pacquiao never touch the canvas for long time. His 2 losses due making the weight and 1 from Morales but did'nt touch the canvas. It will be a good fight and the chin Factor will be test in this bout. A lot of people picking Marquez to win the rematch because they really don't know how development Pacquiao is at the moment. Watch his last fight against Barrera, and you'll see what I'm saying guys. There's only one question I want to ask you, Have you ever seen Barrera missing the target that much?

The smart boxer in Barrera tried to follow JMM's blueprint of counterpunching in that rematch... But did it work guys? Obviously not. With all of Barrera's running, he still got rocked and almost went down.

If JMM engages, it'll be a short night.

I dont think MArquez will win this one.
HE deserved the first one though.
On the night it was an overcommitted finisher fought of by a Warrior stanima and chin first, then a thinker fighter second who deserved the nod .

I'd like to see if PAc could come back from the same type of onslaught as MArquez did ,I doubt it very much.
But like Mayweather, I dont think anyone is in their scope at their weights to catch them cold:
Unless PAc overcommitts and MArquez nails him hard comming forwards and wobbles him or puts a major question in his mind I dont see it going to the cards. late stoppage for PAc this time.

Im yelling for MArquez on the night though,he is the underdog in so many ways.
Most real fight fans who are not from either country and here for national pride reasons as well, will be going for MArquez for that same reason.

Marquez was on point against Juarez and busted him up pretty good, but Pacquiao has a new jab he didnt have in the first fight. Pacquiao has developed more since the first fight, but is it enough to beat JMM? I don't know if the Pacquiao that just fought Barrera can beat JMM, if Pacquiao tries to box he's gonna get schooled. He has to go back to his old ways, he can win a brawl.

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Originally Posted by pacfan

First off, as I've always said, Marquez won that one. But if you think a guy having been knocked down thrice in the first, make adjustments and can win nearly all round afterwards just like that? - that won't happen and I doubt that ever happened. The secret is that pac injured his feet after his intense exersion on the first. We've seen his badly sored and swollen feet right after the fight there at the ringside (I mean on the tube). Of course you won't take my word for it. I've been always scoffed off for this here but I'm smiling 'cause this will be proven in couple of weeks. Just watch round two, pac stopped fighting and Marquez wasn't even countering. Anyone who knows pac knows that once pac sees blood, he won't stop until his prey is down and out - it's always been like that, no exception. Pac gave Marquez entire second round to recover. Just think about it, a guy who knocked his opponent down thrice in one round can't even land one clean power shot after that? No way, especially if you consider that pac is a pretty fast fighter too. He can't land his shot and just got countered 'cause he couldn't move fast enough. Simple as that.

All right anti-pacs, don't be rattled. This whole issue would be settled soon enough, so let's just wait. I think pac can KO marquez anytime he choses to, even in first couple of rounds. You know in most big fights, pac has a self-designated round to try finishing off his foe. In Morales II, it was round 6. In Morales III, it was Erik trying to finish pac off early so pac had no choice but fight back agressively early regardless of what his plans might have been. On Barrera II, it was round 11 - pac got agressive and stunned Barrera and Marco had to resort to dirty tactics to thwart pac's momentum, and he succeeded. I'm not even worried about pac been outboxed. Pac can outbox Marquez, period. He's got quicker feet to do just that. My only concern is pac getting careless and getting knocked down or out. One of the most under-rated aspect of Marquez' boxing is his power. Believe me he is one of the best p4p punchers today, together with pac, de Leon and few others. I think if pac is careful with those punches, there should be no problems...

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well said pacfan. You know I have the video of Pacquaio showing his blistered foot after the fight.... that's why I'm confident that Pacquaio will win this fight against Marquez. I've been scoffed at and ridiculed before when I said what you have just said. :-\

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Originally Posted by pacfan

Relax pal, we'll see who the real fool is in couple of weeks. But be very careful, I'm really good at analyzing boxing and I hardly go wrong.;D:)

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What you say has not merit as to what happens in the ring. In two weeks I will not be foolish waiting 4 years for a man to age is great strategy on PAC teams behalf. JMM is really good but many PAC fans have already mention how slow and flt footed JMM has looked recently. So Kudos to the Geriatric Assassin. Bring on Soto, Juan Diaz and Guman and lower the age requirements. Pac should win this fight, I just anxious to see if JMM can muster up one last effort. More interested in A Pac vs Baby Bull match or a sibling revenge fight with Soto. Not a circus match against a UK midget with little over rated skills.

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Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing

What you say has not merit as to what happens in the ring. In two weeks I will not be foolish waiting 4 years for a man to age is great strategy on PAC teams behalf. JMM is really good but many PAC fans have already mention how slow and flt footed JMM has looked recently. So Kudos to the Geriatric Assassin. Bring on Soto, Juan Diaz and Guman and lower the age requirements. Pac should win this fight, I just anxious to see if JMM can muster up one last effort. More interested in A Pac vs Baby Bull match or a sibling revenge fight with Soto. Not a circus match against a UK midget with little over rated skills.

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I just can't help but comment on your post addicted to_boxing.

First, Pacquaio's team did not wait for JMM to age. It was JMM who did not accept the rematch after their first fight.JMM opted for Chris John so PAcquaio had to look for more worthy opponents(in terms of financial reward and prestige).Nor has JMM shown any interest of fighting Pacquaio again not until recently. When JMM challenged Pacquaio, it was immediately accepted by Pacquaio after JMM conceded to accept the terms of PAcquaio which was actually very reasonable (hope you know what it was coz it was as if you know everything in boxing, though in truth you had no idea of what you were talking).

You were talking of Soto and Guzman as better opponents for Pacquaio................. are you serious?:confused: They are good boxers, no doubt about it, but JMM is still the best opponent PAcquaio could have for now.

No doubt Juan Diaz is also a good choice for Pacquaio but the boxing world's clamor was for PAcquaio to fight JMM first. Can you blame Pacquaio or his team for being gracious about it?

Second, who are you calling a UK midget with little overrated skills? Hatton's first defeat was from the P4P #1. Does that defeat make him overrated? Tell that to all the respected members in this forum and they will tell you that you lack some boxing knowledge despite of your being addicted to it.....;D

Peace man.:cool:

JMM won the first fight for me,he adjusted beautifully. It was close though. However,had JMM been slightly awake during the first round and not been knocked down,that would have been an easy W. Take away the first and maybe the second,and JMM looked awesome. There were a few(very few) other close rounds too.

For the rematch, JMM has shwon his age in his last few fights,not in terms of his skill,but his body. His face cuts like heck,even after a few punches and NONE of those guys he has faced hit anywhere remotely as hard as Manny. JMM has never been able to get out of the way of the straight left,you can see that in his fight with Terdsak(I think). Manny has added more to his arsenal so I just feel he has enough to win.

This fight will show us other things though:Can Manny bring the old fire back? Sure,there's nothing wrong with using more head movement and blocking more but the fire that got him to where he is has been missing for the last year. He needs that because if he thinks he's going to outbox JMM,he's wrong.

I have Manny UD but I want JMM to win this one so badly.

Also you have to take into affect.They have moved up in weight since their last battle,and ask yourself who has looked better.Defenitely Marquez from what I've seen.Sure PAc-man stopped an old Morales and did have a iffy showing against Solis and lastly an ok performance against Barrera.Now look at Marquez against Barrera one of his best performances and again with Juarez.How many times have we seen when little fighters move up in weight they leave that power at the lower weight class.

I dont think Pac has looked good for a long time. If he couldnt beat Marquez last time when he was young and hungry , what chance does he have now .

I dont think it will be that entertaining but we'll see a ring master in Marquez who although past his best will know enough tricks to expose Pac for a 2nd time.

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I dont think Pac has looked good for a long time. If he couldnt beat Marquez last time when he was young and hungry , what chance does he have now .

I dont think it will be that entertaining but we'll see a ring master in Marquez who although past his best will know enough tricks to expose Pac for a 2nd time.

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I see like always already making excuses. Anti pac is back, last time i check jmm didn't win the fight so how can you say pac couldn't beat him if neither went home with the win. If you look at each fighter after the fight, look at jmm....he looks like he suffered two strokes a few concussion and severe nerve damages. Since then who has been less defensive and has been caught way too many for a so called master boxer from lesser southpaws. Honest to god, JMM ain't been the same since that fight. Pac hasn't been in a close fight since the morales rematch and jmm was just in one against mab who pac easily beat barely trying. Yea if you think pac didn't look good why couldn't your great marco come close to beating him like he nearly beat jmm and even dropped him. What arguement do you really have other then your bias oppinion? Since when does a fighter performace poorly when he lands over 50% at a fight and easily cruise to a u.d? FAns like you are just use to seeing pac knock out his oppenent and anything less then that is a poor performance.

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Originally Posted by brucelee

well said pacfan. You know I have the video of Pacquaio showing his blistered foot after the fight.... that's why I'm confident that Pacquaio will win this fight against Marquez. I've been scoffed at and ridiculed before when I said what you have just said. :-\

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Marami pong salamat, as usual pareng Bruce. Yup, nobody seems to want to believe about pac's injury - they're just simply in state of denial. If people ignore some vital info's in their analysis, they are naturally bound to fail. So we'll get our revenge soon for all the fun they made on us - not that I care, haha, cuz I'm always easy...

The only thing that concerns me though - it's a bit of superstition so you may laff it off if you wish pareng Bruce - is that pac's fate always seems to follow Ate Glo's fate, so naturally I'm a bit concerned with all the trouble she's going through now. Remember right after the controversial first Marquez fight, it was an equally controversial election the next day. These sort of things continued up to now... Hahaha, sige tawanan mo na ako.

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Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing

What you say has not merit as to what happens in the ring. In two weeks I will not be foolish waiting 4 years for a man to age is great strategy on PAC teams behalf. JMM is really good but many PAC fans have already mention how slow and flt footed JMM has looked recently. So Kudos to the Geriatric Assassin. Bring on Soto, Juan Diaz and Guman and lower the age requirements. Pac should win this fight, I just anxious to see if JMM can muster up one last effort. More interested in A Pac vs Baby Bull match or a sibling revenge fight with Soto. Not a circus match against a UK midget with little over rated skills.

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You outta be kiddin.' Soto & Guzman is nowhere in the class of Marquez, though I concede that Baby Bull could be a real tough customer and if I were pac's team, I'd avoid him until he has settled well enough in the 135 class. And of course, 'no circus match against the UK 'little giant.' Oh, ya I almost forgot, pac's good at making prime fighters turn old overnight.;D;)

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Originally Posted by Julius Rain

I see like always already making excuses. Anti pac is back, last time i check jmm didn't win the fight so how can you say pac couldn't beat him if neither went home with the win. If you look at each fighter after the fight, look at jmm....he looks like he suffered two strokes a few concussion and severe nerve damages. Since then who has been less defensive and has been caught way too many for a so called master boxer from lesser southpaws. Honest to god, JMM ain't been the same since that fight. Pac hasn't been in a close fight since the morales rematch and jmm was just in one against mab who pac easily beat barely trying. Yea if you think pac didn't look good why couldn't your great marco come close to beating him like he nearly beat jmm and even dropped him. What arguement do you really have other then your bias oppinion? Since when does a fighter performace poorly when he lands over 50% at a fight and easily cruise to a u.d? FAns like you are just use to seeing pac knock out his oppenent and anything less then that is a poor performance.

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Don't take that too seriously, Julius. Isn't that just one of his usual tricks just in case something goes wrong, he'd be saying pac beat another old man. Right, Mr. Game? Just asking.;D;)

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Originally Posted by Julius Rain

I see like always already making excuses. Anti pac is back, last time i check jmm didn't win the fight so how can you say pac couldn't beat him if neither went home with the win. If you look at each fighter after the fight, look at jmm....he looks like he suffered two strokes a few concussion and severe nerve damages. Since then who has been less defensive and has been caught way too many for a so called master boxer from lesser southpaws. Honest to god, JMM ain't been the same since that fight. Pac hasn't been in a close fight since the morales rematch and jmm was just in one against mab who pac easily beat barely trying. Yea if you think pac didn't look good why couldn't your great marco come close to beating him like he nearly beat jmm and even dropped him. What arguement do you really have other then your bias oppinion? Since when does a fighter performace poorly when he lands over 50% at a fight and easily cruise to a u.d? FAns like you are just use to seeing pac knock out his oppenent and anything less then that is a poor performance.

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Pac couldnt beat Marquez so therefore I am entirely justified in the statement I made. As for lining up the excuses , its fact that Marquez is past it . 10 years ago he'd be in his pysical prime but now just like with Barrera and Morales , Pac is willing to get it on but you dont see him calling out young hungry fighters like Diaz cuz guys like that would make mincemeat of Pac .

Still nobody has been clear with how strategically Pac can possibly beat Marquez. After what we saw in the last fight I dont think its realistic that he can expect victory . Im not not bothered about the fight and couldnt care less who wins but I know it'll be Marquez cuz he is sooooo much better than Pac .