How the hell does a guy take an un televised ass whoopin from a no name fighter and be in the running for a title fight against Pavlik.
every clip they showed of this guy it look like his opponent was getting the better of him.
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How the hell does a guy take an un televised ass whoopin from a no name fighter and be in the running for a title fight against Pavlik.
every clip they showed of this guy it look like his opponent was getting the better of him.
If you can sell lots of tickets and you're rubbish you can get champions interested in a big easy payday against you.
Think the term bums a bit harsh mate...i became more of a fan of his after watching last nights fight... wish every boxer supplied such entertainment ;)
he is no where near ready for Pavlik though.
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Originally Posted by The Boxer
How is it he is a bum?,,,The guy goes in the ring gives it his all puts on a great show and has yet to lose?
I think a bum is someone who lives on the street begs for money and does not work for a living...Duddy works damn hard..Though it is harder then need be....
I am not a fan of the guy really but to come out with a statement like you did is crap....
When you step in the ring take punches in the face in front of tens of thousands of people 5 or 6 times a year and manage to go home a winner 20+ times thus far then you can talk and call guys bums....
Took the words right out of my mouth.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
He isn't a bum but he isn't any good. If he was Mexican we'd never have heard of him.
What the fuck does that mean...if he were Mexican?
Duddy is a balls out style of fighter...he doesn't fight smart and he gets hated on for that....Wladimir DOES fight smart and he gets hated on for that too.
The question is WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU PEOPLE WANT?!?!
All these posts lately have been complaints:
"He gets hit too much"
"He's too scared to get hit"
"He has no defense"
"He's all defense"
Nothing ever pleases some of you guys....I'm sure if Tyson was in his prime right now some of you would have shit to say about him too
He's a limited fighter who is only in the position he's in because he has a big fanbase. He's the Irish JCC junior.
Facing an opponent-type fighter on Saturday he could easily have lost the bout had he not been the home fighter.
....well his being Irish might draw in some fans but if he was hispanic he would still have fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Arturo Gatti had the biggest group of devout fans in boxing when he was fighting and his last name might be Italian and he's from Canada, but it didn't stop fans of all backgrounds and colors to enjoy what he did.
John Duddy is liked as a fighter because of the way he fights
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Originally Posted by Lyle
The truist fucking statement I've ever seen on this board. Have some rep.
I'm sure there are plenty fighters just as good as him that have never even made it out of Mexico. Look at the guy Duddy was fighting, a Tunisian immigrant to Canada. We'd never heard of him and never will again but in terms of excitementhe was at least Duddy's equal on Saturday night. Let's face it, who landed most of the big punches ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
....anyone of any background that makes their way on to cards at the Garden with Duddy's type of style will have a huge following.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Duddy isn't ONLY popular because he's Irish...it's because of his style. Look at Arturo Gatti he fought the same way, no defense, cut up like someone took a knife to him, and yet he pulls off a win....his style adds drama to the fight.
Look at Edison Miranda he fights virtually the same way....only he has crazy power but the fans love his style...he's not Irish, he's not even American.
Sure there are plenty of fighters as good or better than Duddy but Duddy draws the crowds....he puts asses in seats....you do the math
So we agree. Excellent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
...I guess we agree
Sometimes why people like or dislike a certain fighter isn't clear but people certainly love John Duddy....he has the attitude where he is stubborn and will only win one way and that's with true grit and guts.
Sure he isn't the classic boxer but he's blood and guts....he'll be outmatched soon enough but what's not to like with Duddy?
Douchebag. ;D
First you say that Duddy wouldn't be as famous if he was Mexican then you bring up JCC jr. thats a bad arguement my friend. Lets move on man your attempt to pull the race card has been revoked...I should have expected as much from a guy with a Kirkland Laing avatar......Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
I dont think Kirkland was trying to pull the race card at all. He was telling the truth. There are a lot of guys out there with more skill and just as entertaining as Duddy that we have never heard of. That dont get posted about. That dont magically fall into contention for title shots. Why is this?Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
Cuevas made him look bad. An ancient Yory Boy gave him problems. He barely squeaked by Eastman. He even made Bonsante look good at times. And now he gets the shit beat out of him by a 17-3-3 chubby guy. Duddy has proved nothing other then he has a good pain tolerance. And he was being considered an opponent for Pavlik why?
He's a nice, down to earth guy. I like him. But don't act like he hasnt been favored for one reason or another. He's gotten further in his career because of his looks then anything he's done in the ring and that's a fact.
Well he fights in New York a city with big Irish roots and his style is pleasing to watch. So he has a pleasing style for the fight fans that like brutal fights and he has a large forum in which he can showcase his talents or lack of talents.
Any other ethnic group would support him if he was of a different ethnicity...New York is a melting pot.
And he's a fun fighter to watch....who cares if he's Irish.
....but he does fight like an Irishman, stubborn and tough
Right you are Lyle, I don't think he will ever be in a boring fight. If he is not the one punching then he is taking the one taking a punch! But I am curious on your take of my previous post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
He's like Gatti, he's pleasing to the people who don't truly follow or understand boxing. He just fights in an exciting manner.....and there is a large population of his countrymen or their descendants where he fights.
Cuban, Mexican, Russian and fighters from any other country get similar kinds of support.
When you don't know who is fighting and you're just the average guy, you might be inclined to "cheer for the ____ guy" because you are ____ and you want to have some pride in your ethnicity, race, country, religion, or whatever.
So it's probably just dumb luck that John Duddy became so popular and it's his ability to draw crowds and keep winning that has moved him up the rankings
Maybe it's the luck o' the irish ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
As often as he gets hit in the face.....the only luck it could be is Irish ;)
now Irish people don't get angry at me...you are well known and prideful of your fighting spirit and historical willingness to fight whoever whenever...I should know because I got some Irish in my blood too
I'm 38 and I come from Sunderland, England. I'm pasty white due to the hours I work and I narrowly avoided being ginger, the ginger gene being rampant in my family. When I was growing up Kirkland laing was my favourite fighter. There was no intention to be disrespectful to either Mexican or Irish people. Half my family originally came from Ireland and I own a house and have friends there. You're reading an awful lot into a pseudonyn. It might not be me with the racism issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
This isn't a is he good to watch thread. I enjoyed the fight. This is a how can he (and more generally people like him) merit being in the same ring with somebody like Pavlik.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Well that's simple, he's marketable and he puts asses in seats.....that means MONEY.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
And in case you haven't noticed money makes the world of boxing go 'round
We agree again. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
He would be just as marketable if he was from any other country and fought in New York.
I know the topic is done pretty much but would Duddy sell if he was Mexican? Who was the last Mexican middleweight to accomplish anything? I'm not sure actually on where to even start.
Look the guy took an ass whoopin and got an MD which probaly would have been L if it wasn't in New York
go ahead an late the fan favorite get in the ring with pavlik so he can't get his ass beat again.
....who was the last Irish middleweight to do anything???Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
To Kirkland Laing and the Boxer, you say would he be as famous if he was Mexican? I say yes his name would be JCC jr. theres a overhyped kid that has a huge fanbase has fought more fights than Duddy and lesser oppositon. He fights on freaking PPV every fight for Christ's sake, so your telling me that his fans are justified and Duddy's are not? Your the one that brought up his race dont try to turn it around on me because I called you out my brother you brought it up.
Screw it, too frustrated to evn bother replying.
calling him a bum is abit harsh
Calling Duddy a bum just makes u look like an idiot, Doesn't matter where
he's from he has a huge following because his fights are always exciting,
his win Saturday night wasnt pretty but its the best fight ive seen so far this year by a long shot! Even if Duddy does lose to Pavlik, he'll still
sell out any venue he fights in because hes one of the most exciting fighters around today.
This statement is rediculous... :-\
We want a fighter who is good enough to beat up his opponents when fighting stupid and smart enough to know when that won't work. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Now that I mention it. Cotto fits this description quite well.
Ok...
I feel that Duddy's struggle on Saturady was largely due to the size of Smichet as a fighter.
Duddy himself is 5'9'' and a half. In modern boxing this uis quite slight for a Middleweight but Duddy compensates with his broad shoulders and wide frame. In last Saturaday's fight Duddy found himself in an unfamiliar position...fighting an even shorter opponent. Duddy has become accustomed to approaching taller fighter and being the man who stays on the inside....With Smichet actually klusting for trading shots on the inside Duddy was thrown a loop. All he needed was to box like the taller fighter and use an uppercut, but being totally new to the "taller fighter" brand he failed miserably to employ this tactic. However, he did show grit in being just too tough for his game and hungry opponent.
Now I'm not Duddy's biggest fan although I am I4r5ish and follow his fights, but I know that there are few fighters worthy of the "Bum" moinqor, let alone a fighter who pours his heart and soul into his fights and has been triumphant thus far (al beeit I feel he's been gifted in the past.)
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Hmmmm... Interesting. Ya know?... That makes a lot of sense. That did look like the problem.
Good call. I wasn't working it out in my head what the problem was. I mean besides the fact he could put his friggin hands up;D... But seriously, that makes a lot of sense!
Well you can wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which one gets filled first.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
That completely narrows your being a true fan of boxing. I am not saying you love a fighter like Duddy or Wlad but you cannot hate the extremes of boxing it's impossible to do. You either dislike the sweet science part of it or you dislike the brawlers.
If you don't accept one or the other and appreciate it then you've just become a fan of very few boxers and a hater of quite a few boxers