Have there been many better trilogies?

I mean they were talking about it on FNF how most of the legendary trilogies had one fight that didn't quite live up to the other two. Gatti-Ward 2 wasn't on par with Gatti-Ward 3 and definitely wasn't on par with Gatti-Ward 1. Ali-Frazier 2 wasn't on par with Ali-Frazier 1 and 3. Bowe-Holyfield was kind of similar too. And they said that Barrera-Morales was the one that had three truly great fights on the same level but I don't know, to me Barrera-Morales 2 was not on the same par as the other two, especially not the first one.

Vasquez-Marquez was three great fights. To me they just got better as they went along, second was better than the first and to me the third was the best of them all. It was like BoxingGorilla was saying on another thread, it was really too good for me to keep a close score. Will have to rewatch but I don't even really care who won.

So where does this rank?

Edit-I can't really comment too much on Zale-Graziano, only seen one of the fights.

not taking anything away from the hard work of the other trilogy fights but right before the 12 round was about to begin for Vaz Mar 3, that was something very special. thers no other feeling then that.

These two gave us three great fights and theirs no controversial down hill, past it, wash up to their story. They are just two great fighters needing to excuses and even the fans are silent without any excuses for either side. These two may not have the fanbase as the mab and eric out there but they gave us history that needs to be more appreciated and without asking or even mentioning. They gave us light, that fighters like them are the once that deserves the biggest purse possible for a fight, not just a boxing match but a real live FIGHT!

I would love for one day these two get paid ten times more then floyd or oscar, these two really deserve unlike these other monkeys just whoring themself to the public for publicity. Fake characters, but isreal and rafa are TRUE WARRIORS. I hope one day the public can appreciate fighters like these two and other fighters for what they do inside the ring NOT OUTSIDE!


it doesn't get any better then that feeling when the fight was heading to the 12th round.

Its my favorite personally.

As good as Gatti-Ward 1 was the next two weren't on this level and these are better fighters than Gatti or Ward. Barrera-Morales 2 wasn't as good as these, and probably not Barrera-Morales 3 although it was a great fight.

yup my favorite too, and these two are elites. This is the best trilogy at the highest possible level.

Its for certain in the top 5 IMO, something like.

Muhammad Ali vs Joe Frazier
Marco Antonio Barrera vs Erik Morales
Tony Zale v Rocky Graziano
Israel Vasquez vs Rafael Marquez
Arturo Gatti vs Micky Ward

What is surprising is that normally when there are trilogies, the 1st fight is always mostly the best then the fights get a little less exciting. But with Marquez vs Vasquez the trilogy got better and better.

are you ranking those in order ICE?

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are you ranking those in order ICE?

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yea are they in order :confused:

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yea are they in order :confused:

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Nah i think its impossible to put them in order, because there all great in different ways.

Ali v Fraser is probably still top because of the signficance of the fights i.e biggest division in boxing etc.

Zale Graziano could maybe match rafa v Isreal for action but like you Ouma bro,I've only ever seen one of their fights and I think it's the only one there is footage of right?

MAB-EM matches it for action but Vazquez Marquez had more going on ie knockdowns etc.

Ward-Gatti were AMAZING wars but Vazquez Marquez had way way way more skill on display.

I'd say Rafa v Isreal is top 3 at worst,for me personally,I'd have it at number 1.2 stoppages and a split decision in 3 fights,knockdowns,point deductions,heart,skill and some of the most ferocious power punch exchanges I've ever seen topped off with the heart breaking round 12(I love Rafa and it wasn't nice seeing his get beaten from pillar to post but he showed SO much heart). The ULTIMATE drama. I've seen this fight on MMA sites getting tonnes of downloads too. I wish it had been advertised more,a perfect way to show boxing off!!

I called my grandfather last night after the fight pumped up at about it.

He was telling me about Tony Zale and Rocky Graziano trilogy was really good as he remebered. Thoughts?

My best trilogy has to be Eric Morales v MAB.

i heard about that but i can't say cause i never seen it :(

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I called my grandfather last night after the fight pumped up at about it.

He was telling me about Tony Zale and Rocky Graziano trilogy was really good as he remebered. Thoughts?

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it was one of the best, it was a bit before my time but it hink it was in the second fight when Graziano won it was then he said that famous line that was always going to stick with him "Someone up ther elikes me ma'" thats was the title of his film to i believe.

Zale was like a skilled micky ward, hard as hell and a great body puncher, Graziano was everything that his first name means.

ill see if i can find the third fight for you and pm u the links

From what I have read Zale was the boxer and a vicious body puncher. He was past his best after the third fight but still beat Rocky.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=840hnecEUVI

thats the third fight, can only find it on youtube atm...

zale was 35, old for then, but it was different then, zale was in great shape and when you are big hitters using like 6-8oz gloves its always tough and zale got him early... with that said they didn't call zale the man of steel for no reason.

For me it is the best!

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My best trilogy has to be Eric Morales v MAB.

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Same here.

The reason is Barrera and Morales really hate each others guts. Aside from their trash talks, they would willing to fight inside or outside the ring. Plus they completed the whole 36 rounds, and it was full-on war every each round.

Vasquez-Marquez is the greatest world title trilogy
Gatti-Ward was the greatest non-title trilogy
To say one of these trilogies was greater then the other would be hard for me to do.

Vasquez-Marquez tops Graziano-Zale by a little for me because they had 25 rounds of brutal exchanges compared to 15 vicious rounds between Graziano and Zale. Still, only slightly better for me though both trilogies were incredible.

Back when heavyweights weren't the laughingstock of boxing, Ali-Frazier was a pretty good one as far as trilogies go.

For some reason when I looked at the title of this thread I assumed it was going to be a plea to Frank Warren to cancel the Hopkins fight and set up the ultimate trilogy fight and a third meeting between Joe Calzaghe and Mario Veit.

Which I would wholeheartedly support.

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For some reason when I looked at the title of this thread I assumed it was going to be a plea to Frank Warren to cancel the Hopkins fight and set up the ultimate trilogy fight and a third meeting between Joe Calzaghe and Mario Veit.

Which I would wholeheartedly support.

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Veit is old hat now, the Germans have their new hero, that 100 year wonder guy...........who Calzaghe could probably take out inside a round

My favorites:

1. Ali vs. Fraizer
2. SRR vs. Jake
3. Vasquez vs. Marquez
4. Erik vs. MAB
5. Chacon vs. Limon
6. Bowe vs. Holyfield
7. Zale vs. Graciano
8. Gatti vs. Ward
9. Duran vs. De Jesus
10. Gonzalez vs. Carbajal

It was the first time Graziano was ever knocked out when he was beatebn by Zale in Yankee Stadium. It started a bloody mess of a Trilogy which will go down in history as one of the most visceral and testosterone fuelled rivalries ever to be sanctioned inside the boxing ring. Riots occured in prisons around New York upon the announcement of the result of the first fight. The result of the second almost gave the New York Commisioner a heart attack.

Graziano deemed Zale to be "made of the same steel they mined in the place he came from." Graziano's quality spoke for itself. Graziano claimed he wasn't hurt in the first fight, but that may have been because he was slipping out of conciousness. Zale too was pummeled and in the return he felt the full effects of the New Yorkers rage fuelled attack. The decider was less publicised and I must admit I've never seen it personally. But with the win Zalwe secured himself a palce in the HoF and Graziano was filled with enough fuel to last him the rest of his career as one of the most aggressive fighters of all time

I don't think footage of the first two fights exist. I've seen parts of the 3rd and that was brutal, crazy ref as well, only the ropes holds Rocky up at one point and the ref grabs his arms straightens him up and pushes him into the centre of the ring to be KTFO lol. Vicious two punch combo to finish him off, they don't make refs like they used to.

Most accounts claim the first two were just as brutal, so it's certainly up there as one of the great trilogies.

The greatest trilogy ever has to be Williams vs. Sprott. Although if we get to see Skelton vs. Sprott 3 and Williams vs. Harrison then we'll have a new #1 for sure ;D

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I don't think footage of the first two fights exist. I've seen parts of the 3rd and that was brutal, crazy ref as well, only the ropes holds Rocky up at one point and the ref grabs his arms straightens him up and pushes him into the centre of the ring to be KTFO lol. Vicious two punch combo to finish him off, they don't make refs like they used to.

Most accounts claim the first two were just as brutal, so it's certainly up there as one of the great trilogies.

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There is certainly clips of the first and second fights. If you can get your hands on a copy of Ferdie Pacheco's DVD "12 greatest rounds of boxing" I believe rounds of the first fight are included.

http://i32.tinypic.com/2l90bdi.gif

These guys beat the crap outta each other in three unfogettable bouts.

Each one got more brutal.

At the end of the third fight they could hardly stand.

That's good to hear Donny. I need to boost my dvd collection.

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That's good to hear Donny. I need to boost my dvd collection.

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Man who're you telling, I had a lovely boxing collection and now 95% of is was stolen and sold for drug money:mad:

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My favorites:

1. Ali vs. Fraizer
2. SRR vs. Jake
3. Vasquez vs. Marquez
4. Erik vs. MAB
5. Chacon vs. Limon
6. Bowe vs. Holyfield
7. Zale vs. Graciano
8. Gatti vs. Ward
9. Duran vs. De Jesus
10. Gonzalez vs. Carbajal

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Where's Holyfield-Ruiz?

Extremely surprised that I'm the only one who's mentioned SRR-Jake. Would have thought that made everyones list.....

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Where's Holyfield-Ruiz?

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That trilogy is in a World of it's own....

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Extremely surprised that I'm the only one who's mentioned SRR-Jake. Would have thought that made everyones list.....

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I was just thinking any three fight series but I guess it doesn't matter as long as there were at least three fights. So that would be a good one, same for Chacon-Limon.

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DENNIS ANDRIES Vs JEFF HARDING

For the WBC ligh heavyweight title.

Three great fights.

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no shit?

somebody else mentioned that like two posts ago, that must be a good one :D

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Extremely surprised that I'm the only one who's mentioned SRR-Jake. Would have thought that made everyones list.....

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That one is a little older but it was a great series,especially since it was 6 fights if I remember. Even tho Robinson won I think five of them, they were not at all boring(I wasn't around for 'em but I have tapes) and a few that could have went the other way. Only two were actual dominations and the rest were close.
Recently,no other series tops what we just saw,IMO.

John John Molina Vs. Tony Lopez was pretty good.One of the worst rematch beatings put on a guy (Lopez) that Ive seen in 2nd
Daniel Zaragoza Vs. Paul Banke (R.I.P) Is one of the best That hardly anyone ever mentions
Greg Haugen Vs. Vinny Pazienza

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John John Molina Vs. Tony Lopez was pretty good.One of the worst rematch beatings put on a guy (Lopez) that Ive seen in 2nd
Daniel Zaragoza Vs. Paul Banke (R.I.P) Is one of the best That hardly anyone ever mentions
Greg Haugen Vs. Vinny Pazienza

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I can ALWAYS count on you to call out fights/fighters/moments that no one ever mentions....

Sent some Rep. your way.... ;)

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I can ALWAYS count on you to call out fights/fighters/moments that no one ever mentions....

Sent some Rep. your way.... ;)

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Thanks Mick,I live for the obscure and/or almost forgotten ;D.Rep on the rebound Mick .This one always sticks out as a very memorable for me.Back in the day when The three main Networks were dedicated and consistent in there Coverage of top notch Boxing.You could easily make a case of Molina being 2-1 in there meetings as to many peoples eyes the first should have been wrapped with a bow up ala christmas Morning.From what I remember and from what I have on tape, 5 rnds (damn partial trades) I Think Molina boxed his ears after that pretty Left hook deposited Tony on the deck in the 2nd.I believe it was about a 2 point difference on cards.
The rematch was just astonishingly one sided .I Like Lopez,A real battler and always looked to be a real good guy but within 50 seconds of the first round Molina was tearing into Lopez and nullified any thoughts Tony had of "walking through him "(Molina).He really was pulverized by stick and move and fast punches of Molina with Hooks,wicked rt.uppercuts and straight rights.The Cultish hometown fans in Sacramento were sitting on there hands and the P.A even played "eye of the tiger" in the 7th round to attempt a jump start for The Champion Lopez,To no avail.Lopez was all Nuts and guts with his rt(?) eye slammed shut and Molina even whipping Bolo Uppercuts through the 8th & 9th.The 10th began with Lopez Crossing himself in prayer and Molina charged out picking up his accurate on slaught ,Snapping Lopez's head and then almost unseen...A stiff hard jab Moved Lopez back and Ref. James gen kin (Spelling?) stepped in ,gave a subtle wave and raised Molinas hand.Then the classless "fans" In the Arco arena went apeshit,throwing cups of Ice,mats,and giving the ring and occupants a beer shower forcing Molina camp to haul arse to the dressing room.Fool's.The third Meeting was really fast paced and Molina was like a wind mill early but this time Lopez actually showed good defense :o with bob & weave and sitting down and countering.Both guys were all brass with exchanges but Lopez was sneaky with the Uppercut & straight rights and Molina seemed all to willing to endure them.Lopez showed power and on numerous occasions "moved" Molina with hard shots In a very close give and take even fight but Molina seemed to wither as his legs were dead.Lopez really came on strong like he was possessed late and caught Molina in the 11th with a so-so knockdown off a volley of right hands.Lopez was in role reversal here and marched forward hell bent on reclaiming title and chased Molina in 12th to end a great 3rd fight in a superb fellow trilogy. I ask In hindsight..WTF no forth fight Lol.These were great matches.Need coffee.

Well if we're including Trilogies the most notoriously tough had to be Saddler vs. Pep.

Greb vs. Tunney were wars too.

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I was just thinking any three fight series but I guess it doesn't matter as long as there were at least three fights. So that would be a good one, same for Chacon-Limon.

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I didn't mention SRR vs Lamotta or Chacon vs Limon because they wern't three fight series, and i thought you was only after 3 fight series in that case.

1 Muhammad Ali vs Joe Frazier
2 Sugar Ray Robinson vs Jake Lamotta
3 Marco Antonio Barrera vs Erik Morales
4 Rafael Marquez vs Israel Vasquez
5 Barney Ross vs Jimmy Mclarin
6 Bobby Chacon vs Rafael Limon
7 Tony Zale vs Rocky Graziano
8 Riddick Bowe vs Evander Holyfield
9 Arturo Gatti vs Micky Ward
10 Michael Carbajal vs Humberto Gonzalez
11 Floyd Patterson vs Ingemar Johansson
12 Dennis Andries vs Jeff Harding
13 Roberto Duran vs Esteban De Jesus
14 Benny Kid Paret vs Emile Griffith
15 Jersey Joe Walcott vs Ezzard Charles