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The Finalised Saddoboxing Pound for Pound Top Ten
Hello ladies and Gents,
Over the weekend I've allowed the initial thread to stand and gather posts.
In the survey of the opinions of the Top Ten Pound for Pound list all posters opinions were viewed as equal, all posters lists were taken into account and all fighters were viewed equally.
Using a scientific method I obtained a list which uses a points system to award the fighter his place in the top ten.
This means that a fighter did not necessarily have to be in weveryone's list to make the cut nor was a fighter slipping of many lists guaranteed to come in. Should anyone wish to review my method please PM me.
We obtained 20 different pound for pound lists, so thank you to all who particiapted. As I said earlier all posters opinions were treated equally, but I must admit I was chuffed to receive the opinions of boxing fans from a vast geographical area, from different backgrounds and some greatly varying boxing factions.
Below is presented the official representation of Saddo's Pound for Pound Top Ten at the time of the 10th of MARCH 2008.
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The saddoboxing Pound for Pound Rankings, March 2008
1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Joe Calzaghe
5. Juan Manuel Marquez & Miguel Cotto
6. Israel Vasquez
7. Kelly Pavlik
8. Rafael Marquez
9. Ronald Wright
10Ricky Hatton
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Notes:
In the results of this survey 94.7% of the Surveyed Voted Floyd Mayweather Pound For Pound the best Boxer in the World.
In addition 73.7% Voted manny Pacquaio to be the second in line.
Although Winky Wright scored low in terms of the amount of lists in which he was mentioned, his high scores in other lists ensured that he ranked very well in this list.
Ricky Hatton scoring in many lists scored quite low given his status and scrapes in at 10, just ahead of Kristian Mijares.
Chris John's quality votes (quite high) did not compensate for his lack of support.
Juan Diaz although mentioned quite frequently, was just behind hatton in terms of mentions and below Mijares in the quality of votes received coming in a close 12th.
Thank you to all participants....
I'd like to remind you guys, this is OUR list, as it is a scientific representation of our forums opinions and given the similarity and detail of each list represents the quality of posters that only this forum enjoys.
Thanks for your help and participation, Donny
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Good deal Donny have some rep for putting that together....
Though as everyone complains about P4P list everywhere...It pretty much looks like most P4P list:-\
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Originally Posted by
DaxxKahn
Good deal Donny have some rep for putting that together....
Though as everyone complains about P4P list everywhere...It pretty much looks like most P4P list:-\
Ha Ha thats true, but as I said what sets this apart isn't it's presentation, but it's preparation. The method I used is pretty nifty and covered both Quantitative and Qualitative angles so it was cool (I just submitted a huge report on the subject so why not apply it to boxing;D)
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No Miguel Cotto? You sure you got that right? I'd be very surprised if Cotto did not make this board's top 10.
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Originally Posted by
CGM
No Miguel Cotto? You sure you got that right? I'd be very surprised if Cotto did not make this board's top 10.
Your correct I had to edit, he was a dead heat with JMM marquez for Number 5.
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Originally Posted by
hitmandonny
Your correct I had to edit, he was a dead heat with JMM marquez for Number 5.
;D HI Donny , is true what CGM said im surprised too ;D but cmon.........my friend you can fix it;D these thread was great man...... is a method or a way to see how the good Champ are clasified although you will clasified at your way.....;D
GOOD JOB DONNY........:cool:
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1 Floyd Mayweather
2 Manny Pacquiao
3 Miguel Cotto
4 Juan Manuel Marquez
5 Joe Calzaghe
6 Bernard Hopkins
7 Israel Vasquez
8 Kelly Pavlik
9 Rafael Marquez
10 Ricky Hatton
...AND NO JUAN DIAZ THIS TIME :)
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I can live with that list!
But essentially it's a top 11. If it's the top 10 then Hatton misses out!
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May I know Donny if you have done it scientifically? What is the population of Saddoboxing? How did you compute for the representative size of the population (in case, you don't want to include inactive members)? How many voted and what is the percentage of those who voted compared to the population?
;D
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The only serious issue I have with that list Pavlik so high up.
I can live with the rest of it.
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Hatton has no business being on a p4p list. All fighters listed on the p4p list that are coming of losses (Marquez and Wright) were at least competitive in there fights. Hatton was blown out in his fight. It wasn't competitive. He should be removed. And he should be removed now.
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Originally Posted by
Galaxy
I can live with that list!
But essentially it's a top 11. If it's the top 10 then Hatton misses out!
Well the one issue I came up with was that Miguel Cotto and Juan Manuel Marquez camwe up with not only an equal quantity of votes, but also an equal quantity of votes. Lets say 10 people voted for Juan Manuel, ten for Cotto. Of Juan's ten 5 had him at number 4, 5 had him at number 5. Of Miguels ten, 5 had him at 4, 5 had him at no.5!!! A dead heat!!! Neitrher was viewed to be above or below the other!
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Originally Posted by
brucelee
May I know Donny if you have done it scientifically? What is the population of Saddoboxing? How did you compute for the representative size of the population (in case, you don't want to include inactive members)? How many voted and what is the percentage of those who voted compared to the population?
;D
It's called the technique of sampling. You may have underwent such research prior to your doctrate? When sampling a country, obviously the entire nation can't feasibly be asked to participate so we take a sample. I acquired 20 votes. Of these Mayweather topped the list in 19 surveys, as he missed out on one list completely(!) He was added an eleven to bring him up to par. The position of the fighter on the list was used as their points. If the fighter only received one vote of 5 he had 19 * 11's aded to that to bring him up to standard. This was then compiled in a points system, allowing all fighters mentioned a spot, but only the lowest scoring makingh it on the list and ranked accordingly.
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CutMeMick
The only serious issue I have with that list Pavlik so high up.
I can live with the rest of it.
I thought that myself at first. Pavlik was left off many lists, but the lists he did appear on reflected on him quite favourably and resulted in him making it quite high on the list.
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Hatton has no business being on a p4p list. All fighters listed on the p4p list that are coming of losses (Marquez and Wright) were at least competitive in there fights. Hatton was blown out in his fight. It wasn't competitive. He should be removed. And he should be removed now.
As I mentioned this list, isn't my personal list, it's not Saddo's personal list, nor is it anyone's personal list. This list is a compilation of the Saddo's list and this is what all o us have voted.
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Hatton has no business being on a p4p list. All fighters listed on the p4p list that are coming of losses (Marquez and Wright) were at least competitive in there fights. Hatton was blown out in his fight. It wasn't competitive. He should be removed. And he should be removed now.
What a surprise VD said that.
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I agree with VD,not just for Hatton's recent loss but his run of fights before that was NOT p4p. Him being on the list just shows that there are alot of Hatton fans here who let their bias take control. How can Ricky Hatton be on that list and Ivan Calderon,2 weight,unbeatemtons of defences and faced lots of top fighters NOT be on that list.
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Originally Posted by
El Gamo
I agree with VD,not just for Hatton's recent loss but his run of fights before that was NOT p4p. Him being on the list just shows that there are alot of Hatton fans here who let their bias take control. How can Ricky Hatton be on that list and Ivan Calderon,2 weight,unbeatemtons of defences and faced lots of top fighters NOT be on that list.
Because he received one vote from the twenty surveyed.
Hatton received recognition Caledron didn't.
The list is a representation of Saddo's as an entirity. The only way you can alter the list is by attempting to infleunce the participants before the next vote.
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Wel,,if it was the thread which you made before,I had Calderon in my list and I'm sure I saw Ivan in another list too.
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Originally Posted by
El Gamo
Wel,,if it was the thread which you made before,I had Calderon in my list and I'm sure I saw Ivan in another list too.
Yes Caledron made 4 out of twenty lists in the lower half of three of four lists.
So he appears in 20% of lists, 75% had him in the lower half of their list.
Going forward this left him with a 22.5% chance of making any list.
Thats before you consider that other fighters are being considered for the list.
Factor in the fact that other fighters made nearly every list and scored quite highly on each list, means that the general comnsensus was that they deserved their place more than Caledron.
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Originally Posted by
El Gamo
Wel,,if it was the thread which you made before,I had Calderon in my list and I'm sure I saw Ivan in another list too.
I had Calderon in my list as well.
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Originally Posted by
ICB
I had Calderon in my list as well.
Same. I didn't have Hatton on my list. But honestly, while I had Calderon on there, the fact that he's at light-fly pretty much tells the story. People don't often recognise the lower weights, and he hasn't really fought the big competition down there yet.
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As I said, the only way this list will be infleunced is a hguge amount of canvasing and lobbying before the next survey.
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Originally Posted by
El Gamo
I agree with VD,not just for Hatton's recent loss but his run of fights before that was NOT p4p. Him being on the list just shows that there are alot of Hatton fans here who let their bias take control. How can Ricky Hatton be on that list and Ivan Calderon,2 weight,unbeatemtons of defences and faced lots of top fighters NOT be on that list.
That's cuz your like me. You have great boxing knowledge. And you appreciate all weight divisions.
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Originally Posted by
hitmandonny
Because he received one vote from the twenty surveyed.
Hatton received recognition Caledron didn't.
The list is a representation of Saddo's as an entirity. The only way you can alter the list is by attempting to infleunce the participants before the next vote.
Anybody that has Hatton on the there p4p list doesn't know boxing. He should be removed. Your calling this list "The Finalized Saddoboxing Pound for Pound Top Ten". Guests and people from other forums are going to look at that and think "damn them posters at Saddo don't know shit. They got Hatton on a p4p list." Your making the forum look bad.
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5. Juan Manuel Marquez & Miguel Cotto
Look I have revised your list. You cannot have 11 fighters in a top ten list. Thats ludricous.
When 2 positions are tied, then yes you can have joint 5th, but next one becomes 7th.
Really what you should have done was in the event of a tie, see who had the most 1st place votes, if there were no first place votes, then who had most second places and carry on until they were seperated.
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richard (mossley)
5. Juan Manuel Marquez & Miguel Cotto
Look I have revised your list. You cannot have 11 fighters in a top ten list. Thats ludricous.
When 2 positions are tied, then yes you can have joint 5th, but next one becomes 7th.
Really what you should have done was in the event of a tie, see who had the most 1st place votes, if there were no first place votes, then who had most second places and carry on until they were seperated.
That's more like it
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Hitman you should get all 20 who voted to vote on juat Cotto & Marquez again thus creating a true 5th & 6th ranking.
Anyone who didn't vote should have to wait til next month
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Anybody that has Hatton on the there p4p list doesn't know boxing. He should be removed. Your calling this list "The Finalized Saddoboxing Pound for Pound Top Ten". Guests and people from other forums are going to look at that and think "damn them posters at Saddo don't know shit. They got Hatton on a p4p list." Your making the forum look bad.
I love the way you say doesn't know boxing... what just because they have a different opinion to you, now what they don't know anything? I have Hatton on my P4P he beat Tszyu who was ranked #4 by Ring mag at the time & his only lose is to the best fighter in the world currently!
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Originally Posted by
Galaxy
I love the way you say doesn't know boxing... what just because they have a different opinion to you, now what they don't know anything? I have Hatton on my P4P he beat Tszyu who was ranked #4 by Ring mag at the time & his only lose is to the best fighter in the world currently!
Wow. I actually thought pretty highly of you as a poster. I thought you had good boxing knowledge. Imagine my disappointment at reading that and finding out you don't
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Sweet bro I know what I need to know!
Tszyu was a P4Pr & a future hall of famer!!! Hatton's only loss was to Floyd at a higher weight. Hatton is still potentially the best guy at 140, he needs to take the fight with Witter to try & re-establish that!
Although Calderon has the potential to make the top 10 he's not there yet. He never fought the best guys at 105 - Niida or Eagle. His win over ring champion Cazares is impressive I agree but others dispute it. He needed the rematch or a victory over Solis to solidify his position for me.
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Anybody that has Hatton on the there p4p list doesn't know boxing. He should be removed. Your calling this list "The Finalized Saddoboxing Pound for Pound Top Ten". Guests and people from other forums are going to look at that and think "damn them posters at Saddo don't know shit. They got Hatton on a p4p list." Your making the forum look bad.
I man't doing Fuck all apart from displaying what Saddo's members voted.
As I said before it's a presentation of what all the guys voted so if you feel strongly enough about it make a thread, promoting guys that you feel should be on the list convince everybody who the best fighters were.
The above list is factual, it's an actual representation of the opinions here. You lobby for your fighters to get on the list and in one month I'll do the same test.
