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;D Well , the fight that we are hoped , is done between Ponce D`Leon vs Juanma Lopez in Jun / 7 / 08 , Ponce acceped the fight because supposelly was a mandatory fight , Juanma is the #1 contender in the WBO Div........ this going be good fight guys.......;D
:cool:Ahhh i forgot to add that they going fight in the bout of the preliminars fighters like Kelly Pavlik vs Gary Lockett , Pavlik defending his title in 160 pnd. of MW in Madison Square Garden in NY , but Arum are negociating to make these event in Board-Walk Hall of Atlantic City.......
awesome! good luck to De Leon and I hope this year he can get some good wins in and this will add to it. Hes a powerhouse and this is a real test for him.
Forget Ponce-good luck to my boy "Juanma." I think he will expose Ponce's lack of defense with power shots one after the other. Juanma also has the power to KO Ponce. Those wide punches Ponce throws will miss all night long!! Watch!! This will be Juanma's coming out party.
I'm rooting for Lopez "Juanma" he is very much up there in the Power dept with Ponce de Leon and he box very good as well.
I was really looking forward for this fight. I like my boys to be tested with the best out there.
ANd you know what since this is in the Summer I will do my best to go there and watch this fight live
Great match-up here!!! I to believe it will be Lopez' coming out party. Although it is a big step up I believe he has the talent & ability to win big. Maybe not a stoppage but a clear victory.
I like Lopez. But there's no way he's ready of De Leon. I see Lopez going out like Rey Bautista.
You and me both VD....Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
I like JuanMa the kids got talen, theres a possibility that he could beat PDL if he fights the entire fight focused and 100% zoned in.
But my moneys on that the second PDL connects with a solid shot hes done.
PDLs got a better chance at catching JuanMa then JuanMas got at outboxing PDL.
Deleon has shown in the past he can be out boxed & out worked. I never thought much of Bautista. Deleon's got power but is still very raw. If Lopez is as good as I suspect he is he'll winQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
De Leon has only been out-boxed once. That was against Celestino Caballero. Lopez can't box as good as Caballero. He has more power, yes. But that's going to work against him. Lopez is going to go in there thinking he can hurt and stop De Leon. And before he knows it, he's going to get cracked and floored. For all of De Leon's faults, a bad chin ain't one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
He struggled with Penalosa & Sod the 1st time. I agree DeLeon has an awesome chin but he is beatableQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Juanma's not going to outbox Ponce. He's going to knock him out. He has to based on the style Ponce brings to the ring. So it's going to end in a knockout, one way or the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
De Leon is very beatable. But it's going to make more than a wet behind the ears fighter like Lopez. Beating Hugo Dianzo (Lopez best opponent beaten to date) doesn't prepare you for a De LeonQuote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
You gonna be there mick?Quote:
Originally Posted by Puya
Dianzo is a tough guy, remember he dropped & lost a disputed decision to Ayala a few years back, plus he's only been stopped by a couple of guys, he had fought a lot of top opposition & had a wealth of experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
The only thing I don't like about this fight is that we don't get to see Caballero/ DeLeon 2 which was also in talks
de Leon is another version of wild swinging Ricardo Mayorga, without the fanfare. And if you have really seen Lopez, and not judged him by the names you have seen on his resume, but actually seen him multiple times, then you will know the kid has boxing skill and knows what he's doing in the ring. He's been put in there with tough Mexicans who are pressure fighters and KO'd them. And though they may not be on the same level as Ponce, they have provided Juanma with experience. Coupled with Juanma's power (19 ko's in 21 fights), this fight is going to be a ko one way or the other.
No longer like Ponce, got excited when I saw him spark out Bautista, but having atched a number of fights, his strength and fitness is overshadowed by the neglect of any technical or stylistic plans
YEAH BABY, Juanma will beat Ponce and Puerto Rico will have yet another champion. Good times for PR, good times....
:cool: Hey Rican i agree with you body.......;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rican
Something tells me that after PDL beats JuanMa we'll see PDL vs. Caballero II.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
You can run into PDL almost daily in Huntington Park (which is where his business is) and you can ask him what's the 1 fight you want the most?
He'll answer: Celestino.
Th only thing that i see Ponce getting advantage against Juanma is by the experiences that's all , if Juanma comes focus , good shape , I'm sure guys these going be KO fight like Rican said one or the other, i guarantee guys this kid going be the next Champ , he has all that require for be a Champ , has a good talent......;)
Caballero is a sloppy fighter. He's going to get KTFO if he fights De Leon again. I'd rather see De Leon-Penalosa rematch.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
I think Caballero's just got Ponce's number, he may look like a sloppy fighter but he's akward and effective.
And I'm not sure about the Lopez/Bautista comparison. Yes in that maybe they were thrown in too quick, but I think Lopez has a chance to be a special fighter, whether he was thrown in too early or not I don't think Bautista ever looked like he was going to be a future star. Not sure he would have ever been ready.
Safe pick maybe Ponce but I think Lopez can pull it off. Hopefully he doesn't have chin issues.
De Leon has the power advantage over Lopez as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by Macho
How do you figure? Lopez has KO'd 19 of 21. Ponce may be known for KO's stylistically, and I would probably give him the edge because of this, but Ponce should not be underestimating Juanma's power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
;D Cmon Demise ;D , i know Ponce have power , but think that Juanma have power too , don't mistake about him my friend , i saw that Ponce have poor defensive ,this might be his weakness too....:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Lopez has shown good power. I never once said he didn't have any. And your right. De Leon does have a lot of weakness. But a bad chin ain't one of them. How's Lopez chin? Nobody really knows. De Leon is the wrong guy to try and find out against.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macho
Your right but DeLeon has trouble with anyone whose got good technical skills... look at his fight with Escobeo that was a close fight IMO & Escobedo is no Lopez!Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Caballero is a sloppy fighter. He's going to get KTFO if he fights De Leon again. I'd rather see De Leon-Penalosa rematch.
Caballero would beat DeLeon again IMO but I too would like to see a Penalosa rematch
Careful, if De Leon summons the spirit of his grandfather he's gonna KTFO of Lopez. :p
I just read in a local newspaper that Daniel Ponce de Leon (34-1, 30 KO)will be defending his title against young Puerto Rican prospect Juan Manuel Lopez (21-0, 19 KO) on Jun 07 on HBO.
I have my heart with Juan Manuel, but I have to admit that this will be a tough night for him. However, no matter the result I believe that this fight promises to give us a great night for boxing. Both are great punchers although, DPL has the experience advantage and this is what I see as the biggest disadvantage for Lopez. Lopez has be pacient and avoid crazy exchanges with DPL waiting to counter punch, and avoid the mistakes that Bautista made. If Lopez catch him with a good short right hook, it may be all over for DPL. But, definitely a tough fight for Lopez. I was hoping that Lopez made 2 or 3 fights more before this one, but I will be ready for the action expecting for the big punch.
This could be the breakout fight that Lopez needs but he still has some grooming to do.Patience will be The key factor,Could get overwhelmed in the spot light and be very tempted to jump on Deleon who at times can look very vulnerable and easy to tag,but Deleon can hurt most any one he connects on.But I think Lopez will keep his head about him.Has to resist careless premature exchanges.Nice semi cross roads fight(?)
Not getting desperate and effective counter punching is the key for victory I see for Lopez. He has a beautiful, strong, almost invisible right hook that I believe can make a lot of damage to De Leon, if he fights smartly. Lopez will need to show that he has grown up very fast and not fall with the pressure.
i think if de leon dances around to his left then he would of has the fight sealed, Ponce cant fight moving sideways
That's true. Lopez has so many weapons. He has the all-around skills-anyone can see that if they really watch. The only question in my mind is how he will handle the pressure/stage. That is the only question that needs to be answered in my book.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puerto Rican Punch
;) Hey Rican , in that fight going be the test of how he realy handle the pressure/stage in different angles like you said .......Im sure about that , PDL is a kind of boxer that going allow us to see all Lopez flaw and fail......surely......:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by RicanThat's true. Lopez has so many weapons. He has the all-around skills-anyone can see that if they really watch. The only question in my mind is how he will handle the pressure/stage. That is the only question that needs to be answered in my book.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puerto Rican Punch
Saludos desde la Isla! I agree Lopez has the skills and power to give the surprise, and how he will manage the pressure will be the big question. I was expecting Juanma's team to make 2 or 3 more fights before this one. But, now that it is coming, I am hoping that he does not fall to the pressure and maintain his focus and remain calm, counter punching D Leon. Then, put the pressure if he can hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by RicanThat's true. Lopez has so many weapons. He has the all-around skills-anyone can see that if they really watch. The only question in my mind is how he will handle the pressure/stage. That is the only question that needs to be answered in my book.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puerto Rican Punch
Completely agree here VD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Rican you gotta understant something here JuanMas power has been tested against D to C class fighters. So yes he does have good power so far the numbers don't lie. But now look at PDL his powers been tested at World Class level. Once I see JuanMa beat a World Class opponent by KO/TKO then I can rate him highly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rican
Take Roman Gonzalez for example 16 ko's in 18 fights. Sure the kids got power and all but I wouldn't say hes a harder puncher then Ulises Solis who's powers been tested at World Class.
Pana como lo explique con Rican. La fuerza de PDL ha sido contra oponentes de livel Mundial. La fuerza de JuanMa hast ahorita he sido contra oponentes de un bajo nivel. Cuando empieze JuanMa ha pelear contra oponentes de un nivel alto y sigua noqueandolos entonces si se va a poder decir que tiene un gran pegada.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macho;D Cmon Demise ;D , i know Ponce have power , but think that Juanma have power too , don't mistake about him my friend , i saw that Ponce have poor defensive ,this might be his weakness too....:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
That's what the feather he wears is for. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
Juanma looks awesome.So patient,so cool,calcualted,mature and far far betetr technically than Ponce.Then again,everyone Ponce has beaten is far better than him technically too.
I give Juanma a much much better chance than Bautista,he fights maturer than boom boom.The key at the end of the day when fighting Ponce De Leon is your chin, If you can take his punch,there's a high chance you can give him problems/make him look bad.Problem is,only a few have been able to do so(counter puncher-Penelosa,freakishly tall-Caballaro,Runner-Escobedo) Juanma is none of those,so I'm still favoring Ponce but man it should be a good one!
Mick, I was just thinking about what you said a day or so before this post and you are absolutely right. Ponce's opponents have some pretty good records making his KO's very impressive and making him, despite his wild swinging nature, a force to be reckoned with. Still, 19-21 KO's for Lopez means what it says-that Lopez's power is for real. Basically, Lopez can KO Ponce with no problem, not only because of his power, but also because of his counterpunching ability. He seems to land his punches flush and Ponce leaves himself so open that combined with Lopez's KO power, he can get laid out. Someone is definitely getting KO'd on that night.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickCompletely agree here VD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Rican you gotta understant something here JuanMas power has been tested against D to C class fighters. So yes he does have good power so far the numbers don't lie. But now look at PDL his powers been tested at World Class level. Once I see JuanMa beat a World Class opponent by KO/TKO then I can rate him highly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rican
Take Roman Gonzalez for example 16 ko's in 18 fights. Sure the kids got power and all but I wouldn't say hes a harder puncher then Ulises Solis who's powers been tested at World Class.
Pana como lo explique con Rican. La fuerza de PDL ha sido contra oponentes de livel Mundial. La fuerza de JuanMa hast ahorita he sido contra oponentes de un bajo nivel. Cuando empieze JuanMa ha pelear contra oponentes de un nivel alto y sigua noqueandolos entonces si se va a poder decir que tiene un gran pegada.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macho
That's what the feather he wears is for. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest