Re: Burt Sugar sort of sucks
Burt knows what is true and what isn't...He also does not expect people to believe everything he says in stories like that...By Burt insisting on the story is his way of letting everyone know...."Is it possible I doubt it but it was told to me by someone close to his camp at the time and if I discredit the story I might as well be calling him a liar"....Not good business you start calling people a liar on air etc....
And in the episode you are speaking of Sugar also mentions at the beginning of the story..."There is a story going around"....and another favorite of his..."As history will have you believe"...He never said he seen it personally or he was there
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Whether he qualified his answer or not to that specific question, Burt loves to tell tall tales. His story's arn't boxing fact; they are boxing folk lore.
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Sugar thinks he's the God of boxing or somethin. Its annoying.
After I read a story he did a few years back insisting tht Roy Jones LOST to Tarver in their first fight and that he "need only look at the two men's faces to see who the real winner was." I lost a lot of respect for him. What a jack ass...
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F you guys Sugar rules! Give the guy a break he's like 100 yrs old so what if his memory isn't perfect.
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This guy is one of the very best boxing writers out there & you tell me which author does not embellish the truth to make the tale more interesting
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He is up there with Nat, he is a legend. Besides the Tyson story is true! :)
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People Ive talked to think hes an arsehole. The Tyson story isnt true.
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theres alot of stories that arent true.. Lol
And bert sugar tells two thirds of them.. :P
Also he often tells the tale of how willie pep won the third round against graves without throwing a punch.. im not sure how but it was later officially disproven..Lol
But i suppose it is nice to hear the old tall tales boxers and theyr antics :)
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What he is good at is borrowing money and not paying it back. Thats what hes an expert at ;D
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I heard he rated Larry Holmes like 10th in the all time Heavyweight rankings ?? if he did then yes your right he does suck ;D
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I like Burt Sugar he's a follower of the sport, he knows the history of the sport and the stories that were told as well...people do like looking back at the folklore of the sport....take baseball for example, Babe Ruth's called shot, Dizzy Dean telling batters what pitches he was going to strike them out with, and Ty Cobb getting stabbed during a robbery chasing the guy down pistol whipping him and still playing in a meaningless regular season game after getting stitched up....boxing isn't the only place where big stories are told....all the ones I told for baseball are true as far as I know but you don't forget folklore....you might forget history though
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Don't like Burt, he talks about the sport as if he's got insiders knowledge.
Ypu want real accurate insider's knowledge?
Go talk to Angelo Dundee or someone like Eddie Futch.
My Dad spoke to Eddie Futch years ago. Stuff that he told my Dad, my Dad says to me and it is brilliant in its simplicity.
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hitmandonny
Don't like Burt, he talks about the sport as if he's got insiders knowledge.
Ypu want real accurate insider's knowledge?
Go talk to Angelo Dundee or someone like Eddie Futch.
My Dad spoke to Eddie Futch years ago. Stuff that he told my Dad, my Dad says to me and it is brilliant in its simplicity.
Rest assured Burt Sugar has a tremendous amount of insider knowledge.
And he is one of the best writers the sport of boxing has ever seen.
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telboy66
This guy is one of the very best boxing writers out there & you tell me which author does not embellish the truth to make the tale more interesting
Hugh McIlvanney for one.but i wouldnt even call Sugar an author.
he`s an annoying asshole waving that cigar around like he`s some wise old sage. did you guys see the ESPN show on the 10 greatest Heavyweights??? he said Lennox Lewis wasnt in his top 20......HE IS NOT EVEN in his 100 best fighters!!!! opinions are fine but this guy preaches like everything he says is gospel. and he`s not even around THAT long.
i heard him say his 1st fight at the garden was a Gene Fullmer fight.
i think he`s a charlatan and not even an entertaining one!!!!
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Burt sugar does sucks.
He doesn't even had Tito but had Oscar among others in the best Boxers list espn once showxcase
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Hugh McIIvanney now youre talking writers, when he interviews you its like hes looking for a fight ;D. Trouble is every time Ive talked to him hes been pissed.
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He gets on my nerves.. for the reasons all ready pointed out
The guy is considered an "expert" because he is ancient, has a gimmick and loves the sound of his own voice telling blatantly inaccurate tales
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I like Bert Sugar, may not know a thing about boxing but he's charasmatic and smokes cigars. How could u not like him? :-\
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I don't like him all that much... he is so in laugh with the past it clouds his eyes... He also is redudant as hell, in his top 100 fighters in history there at least 10 times where he says the exact same thing of different fighters, and he says retarded things like Joe Louis has the fastest hands in heavyweight history, as an example... I just think he doens't know half as much about boxing as he thinks he does.
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Taeth
I don't like him all that much... he is so in laugh with the past it clouds his eyes... He also is redudant as hell, in his top 100 fighters in history there at least 10 times where he says the exact same thing of different fighters, and he says retarded things like Joe Louis has the fastest hands in heavyweight history, as an example... I just think he doens't know half as much about boxing as he thinks he does.
Surely at the end of the day it's only his opinion the only difference between him & most of us is that he gets paid for giving his & we don't least we have the option to read it or not
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amat
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Originally Posted by
hitmandonny
Don't like Burt, he talks about the sport as if he's got insiders knowledge.
Ypu want real accurate insider's knowledge?
Go talk to Angelo Dundee or someone like Eddie Futch.
My Dad spoke to Eddie Futch years ago. Stuff that he told my Dad, my Dad says to me and it is brilliant in its simplicity.
Rest assured Burt Sugar has a tremendous amount of insider knowledge.
And he is one of the best writers the sport of boxing has ever seen.
The "insiders knowledge" he has is limited to word of mouth.
We all know the story spinners there are in boxing. Half of what he's told is probably lies because they know in telling him it will be public news in a half hour
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lance Uppercut
Sort of sucks. He tells the same 10 jokes over and over again during every interviews.
and he doesn't let accuracy get in the way of his boxing stories.
On an ESPN classics fight interview about mike tyson, burt sugar tried to say that- Mike Tyson was so angry about having to re-tie his gloves during the Spinks fight, that Tyson punched a hole in the wall; and his fist went through and went right by michael spinks face on the other side of the wall.
And Brian Kenny could not let that tall tale slip by- Kenny insisted several times that Burt admit that the story was a fake. But Burt stuck to his word
Burt turned Boxing Illustrated into the best boxing magazine in the world.
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Fenster
He gets on my nerves.. for the reasons all ready pointed out
The guy is considered an "expert" because he is ancient, has a gimmick and loves the sound of his own voice telling blatantly inaccurate tales
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