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I though there would be a thread saying JMM was robbed. Whilst he definitely he was not robbed, it was a close fight, I had JMM winning by two points. I did not see the post fight interview but I heard he did say that everyone knows that he won however Pac said that he did not want another fight and that their matter was laid to rest.
Not a lot of people realize that. Rep from me bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fl!p Flash
Fellow champ Nonito Donaire there folks!
Definitely even in defeat they showed great courage and determination, Juan Manuel especially.
I feel sorry for Marquez I really thought he did enough, but just like when Ricky Hatton moved up to face Luis Collazo the judges were always going to look more favourably on the bigger name and more commercial prospect.
Not to suggest this was a conscious thing, but subconsciously I think the popular big name fighters tend to get the edge in close fights.
Sadly I feel that will be the last great Marquez performance. At 34 I think that fight will have taken its toll on him.
I also think Manny is on the decline now too.
I had it 115-112 for Marquez, Pacquaio looked uncomfortable with Marquez, i don't think he will fight him again and i don't think he wants to either!
wonrg, they dont look a whos moving up, in vegas its who is more exciting and thats why it pisses me off to hear that that fuck hole is the "mecca" of boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
there aint no god damn way in hell pac won that fight. it was close on the rounds, but anyone who hasn't got their head up their ass knows Jaun won that fight.
seriously, people need to stop fighitng in LV coz winners get fucked over time and time again by the bulshit there.
When was the last time you picked up the ring mag with a close fight and haven't seen the blast the shit scores in vegas? even when fighters have won they have won by stipd margins... its a complete joke.
Do you suggest Berlin?
im not sure about manny being on the decline. i think he is not comfy at 130 anymore. although he made weight but he ballooned up to 145. i think thats way too heavy to gain in one day. i think he got tired quickly. and manny is trying to fight a different style. i dont agree with it. i think he should go back to his old style of fighting with pure aggression and mix up a lil counterpunching and boxing. thats his bread and butter right there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
I totally agree on you on this Josef.Pacquaio should fight with the same aggression he had before. He somewhat lost his killer instinct in that fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by josef4334im not sure about manny being on the decline. i think he is not comfy at 130 anymore. although he made weight but he ballooned up to 145. i think thats way too heavy to gain in one day. i think he got tired quickly. and manny is trying to fight a different style. i dont agree with it. i think he should go back to his old style of fighting with pure aggression and mix up a lil counterpunching and boxing. thats his bread and butter right there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Manny should be doing what he had done during the 1st round in their first fight. He did it in the third round but he seemed to have forgotten that strategy for the rest of the fight.
Sabi ko nga, "suntok, suntok, atras". That was how to defeat Marquez.When Manny started to do it that in the third round, I knew then that Marquez will be in trouble.:cool:
I'm surprised so many thought Marquez got screwed. It was a VERY close fight and the knockdown made the differnce IMO.
I had Marquez up 115-112. It was a great fight & very close but I thought JMM should have got the nod... a draw at the very least would have been fair!
for marquez fans of course they thought he won, for us pac fans we thought pac won. the judges did their very best to score it and the KD really made the difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
I ain't a Marquez fan, never have been. Just scored the fight the way I saw it. The knock down didn't make the difference IMO as my final tally was 115-112 for JMM. IMO the judges got it wrong, it was a great fight spoiled by a bad decision. I'm not saying it wasn't close but the wrong guy got the win IMO!Quote:
Originally Posted by josef4334for marquez fans of course they thought he won, for us pac fans we thought pac won. the judges did their very best to score it and the KD really made the difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
i think its the weight issues again, pac always have a problem with his weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
its like a cycle for him, start at 106 ktfo everyone then he literally grows and gains weight. that causes him to lose some steam up to the point that he weight drains himself so he could fight. then move up in weight then the cycle continues. back then it was easy cause he kept his speed and power
but now he is at the brink of losing his speed, ko power and stamina. moving 30lbs up plus age has taken its toll. that is why a couple of fights back roach started to train pac differently thats why he is not as explosive as before.
they are trying to prolong pacs fighting career by training him to box not to brawl anymore. i am already missing pacs explosive non stop punching style...
i had it 115-112 for marquez also
Ive watched it twice more now and score it by 2 for Marquez....Marquez DESERVES a rematch. Who the hell cares about a Diaz fight after this??
Manny looked like the loser in the post fight interviews as compared to Marquez and its only fair that Marquez has a chance to fix what the judges scored wrongly this time out.
Anything else is running chicken...
I had it 8 rounds to 4 for Marquez,but in point's considering the knockdown it would be 115-112.I have just watch this fight again and also yesterday and instead I just watch what 1 fighter does as opposed to the whole picture.Usually doing it like that you can swing a round or two but not this time.I came up with the same scores every time.By the way the judge who had it 114-113 how many title fight's has he judged? I don't believe I've ever seen him.
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Originally Posted by miles
Also did you notice how out of it Manny was.He looked and sounded punch-drunk.
He was probably just tired after such a grueling fight, and his English has never been great. I doubt he is punch drunk. That would be awful.Quote:
Originally Posted by The FightfanQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
Also did you notice how out of it Manny was.He looked and sounded punch-drunk.
It also appeared that Manny was going over to congratulate JMM when the decision was about to be announced and when he got the decision he looked surprised and overwhelmed.
Although the fight was close the rounds were relatively clear who won them and it does appear that JMM has been given a wrong decision in his two fights with Pac.
lmfao!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Pac was congratulating JMM's corner for a good fight, not because JMM won.
Pac was even so confident in winning the fight, that he was trying to hug and tap Marquez in the back after the final bell rung, but the worried Marquez wouldn't initiate the after-fight traditional sportsmanship hug. Marquez knew he was going to lose the fight.
Marquez and his corner was very aware that he needed a knock down score in 12th round to get a draw. But obviously, he fail to do that :-\.
I scored the fight 116-111 Marquez
I have watched this fight five times to try and justfy the judges scores it still came out 115 to 112 for JMM. All i can say if Calzaghi does not knock out Nard then he is F**ked there are far to many dodgy scores in favour of popular or house fighters. Disgraceful:mad:
I scored it 115-112 Marquez! I've watched it 4 times now & I can't see how the judges had Pacquiao ahead!Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
This is twice he has handled Pac had twice he has got a raw decision. He knows how to counter Pac and makes him look like a crude slugger. Shame for the guy.