Who Poses The Biggest Threat If Any To Wladimir Klitschko?

I THINK AS FAR AS THE HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION GOS RIGHT NOW.. WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO DOESN'T HAVE TO MUCH COMPETITION AT THIS POINT. THE ONLY THREATS SEEM TO BE YOUNG BOXERS THAT ARE ON THEIR WAY UP. I CAN SAY WE CAN CUT OUT THE TECHNICAL BOXERS BECAUSE WLAD CAN BE JUST AS TECHNICAL WITH THE BEST OF THEM. I WOULD SAY THAT TO DATE THE BIGGEST RISK FOR WLAD IS SOMEONE WHO SWINGS WITH WILD ABANDON AND CAN LAND A GOOD SOLID SHOT.

I WOULD CONSIDER THREATS (BE IT BIG OR SMALL)

1) ODLANIER SOLIS FONTE--- REASON: THE GUY HAS A VERY QUICK/SOLID SHOT THAT HE IS ABLE TO GET OUT OF THE BOX VERY FAST.. (WE ALL KNOW SOMEONE ELSE WHO WAS LIKE THAT.. CORRIE SANDERS)

2) DAVID "THE HAYMAKER" HAYE--- REASON:HAYE IS A VERY GIFTED FIGHTER WHO HAS EXTREMELY FAST HANDS AND IS POLISHED AND ALWAYS BRINGS A SOLID GAME PLAN TO THE RING. HIS SPEED AND POWER ARE A PERFECT MIX AND HE IS A NATURAL HEAVY. LOVE HIM OR HATE HIM.. HE MAY BE MORE GIFTED THAN JUST ABOUT ALL OF THE HEAVIES.
3) NIKOLAI "THE BEAST FROM THE EAST"VALUEVREASON: VERY BIG FIGHTER, KLITSCHKO MAY FIND IT TO BE PROBLEMATIC TO FOR THE FIRST TIME BE ON THE OUTSIDE OF SOMEONE ELSES JAB. KLITSCHKO WOULD NEED TO USE HIS RING GENERALSHIP TO LAND TIMED PUNCHES AND SET UP THAT TORPEDO STRAIGHT RIGHT. IF VALUEV COULD USE HIS SIZE AND CONTINUES TO GET BETTER THIS FIGHT COULD BE A BIG PROBLEM FOR WLAD.. NO PUN INTENDED.
4) ALEX "THE WHITE LION" POVETKIN---REASON: POVETKIN HAS LOTS OF TALENT AND GETS BETTER WITH EVERY FIGHT. HE HAS A HUGE AMATUER BACKGROUND AND TENDS TO TAKE THE FIRST ROUND OR SO TO ADAPT BEFORE HE APPLIES THE RIGHT RECIPE TO WIN THE FIGHT. IF KLITSCHKO CAN'T GET THINGS DONE TO POVETKIN BEFORE HE FIGURES WLAD OUT.. POVETKIN COULD PULL THIS OFF JUST BY PRESSURING HIM(CONTINUALLY WALK HIM DOWN) JUST LIKE BREWSTER DID THE WHOLE FIGHT.
5) SAMUEL "THE NIGERIAN NIGHTMARE" PETER---REASON: SAM SEEMS TO BE A THREAT IF HE KNOCKS YOU OFF BALANCE HE JUMPS ON YOU. THAT LOSS TO KLITSCHKO PUTS WLAD ON THE CHRISTMAS WISH LIST FOR PETER. IF THIS FIGHT HAPPENS LOOK FOR A MORE AGGRESSIVE PETER TRYING TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT.
6) ALEXANDER DIMITRENKO---REASON: DIMITRENKO IS TOUGH AND IF YOU WATCH HIM FIGHT.. IT'S ALMOST LIKE A MIRROR IMAGE OF WLADIMIR. HE'S JUST AS TALL AND I THINK WITH TIME WILL BE A SIZABLE THREAT TO THE HEAVY KING.

The people who pose the biggest threat to him are the guys who run the sanctioning organisations of the belts he holds. If one of them makes the mighty Corrie Sanders his mandatory, Vlad's in big trouble.

I'd like to say David Haye. I think he would make HW boxing interesting again.
Unfortunately i think a fight between him and Wlad would be similiar to a jabbing UD borefest for Wlad. Especially if he doesnt take any risks and continues with steward as his trainer.

In my opinion none of the 'high profile' names out there pose that much of a threat to him.

Sure they can end him with one punch, but Wlad I think has no become very effective at dealing with punchers by keeping them at the end of his jab and smothering when they threaten to do anything.

His style is unappealing to me, at least in fights where he fights scared but it is effective.

Whilst a puncher always has that chance I no longer see Wlad as being over vulnurable to a banger.

In my opinion the guy most likely to upset him is a wild card, Tony Thompson.

He gets zero publicity but is tall, slick, has good power and good boxing skills.

His chin seems solid although not properly tested. How he would do in reality I have no idea, would he rise to the occaision or freeze?

But I really think he could have the best chance, as long as he gets that chance.

He's the slick boxer that noboyd wants to even talk about, much less fight.

I think Wlad would be especially cautious in this fight and tentative and Thompdon who has great reach and a jab of his own could counter him and outwork him to win a decision.

Thompson's workrate especially is good, he has enough power to hurt Wlad and earn his respect. I really fancy his chances.

Valuev. The more I see it, the more I'm not sure if Wlad has the tools to take Valuev. Thats the biggy at Heavyweight for me.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

In my opinion none of the 'high profile' names out there pose that much of a threat to him.

Sure they can end him with one punch, but Wlad I think has no become very effective at dealing with punchers by keeping them at the end of his jab and smothering when they threaten to do anything.

His style is unappealing to me, at least in fights where he fights scared but it is effective.

Whilst a puncher always has that chance I no longer see Wlad as being over vulnurable to a banger.

In my opinion the guy most likely to upset him is a wild card, Tony Thompson.

He gets zero publicity but is tall, slick, has good power and good boxing skills.

His chin seems solid although not properly tested. How he would do in reality I have no idea, would he rise to the occaision or freeze?

But I really think he could have the best chance, as long as he gets that chance.

He's the slick boxer that noboyd wants to even talk about, much less fight.

I think Wlad would be especially cautious in this fight and tentative and Thompdon who has great reach and a jab of his own could counter him and outwork him to win a decision.

Thompson's workrate especially is good, he has enough power to hurt Wlad and earn his respect. I really fancy his chances.

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A tall, slick, powerful, well chinned HW?? How the hell isnt Thompson an ATG?:lickish:

By the way, how the hell is Dimitrenko on your list but Chagaev isn't?

Chagaev would pose a threat to fighters but i don't think wlad is one of them. Chagaev is tough but i don't see him as a threat to wlad himself. Dimitrenko has well flown under the radar thus far but soon he will EXPLODE into the scene.. Dimitrenko has a great amatuer background and is getting better in leaps and bounds. His height will be a huge advantage because he uses it well. He would personally for Wlad be much more difficult than a just above mediocre chagaev.

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Chagaev would pose a threat to fighters but i don't think wlad is one of them. Chagaev is tough but i don't see him as a threat to wlad himself. Dimitrenko has well flown under the radar thus far but soon he will EXPLODE into the scene.. Dimitrenko has a great amatuer background and is getting better in leaps and bounds. His height will be a huge advantage because he uses it well. He would personally for Wlad be much more difficult than a just above mediocre chagaev.

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I got to disagree there...I his last fight Dimitrenko was floored by a totally shot Timo Hoffmann...even though Dimitrenko won that one scoring two or three knockdowns himself...But Hoffmann was way past it and still gave Dimitrenko nearly more than he could handle...Dimitrenko has good speed and decent skill,but thats it...no punch(for a heavy) and chinny...

Suprised no ones mentioned Peter being that he floored Wladdy 3 times and all. I would say Peter.

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Suprised no ones mentioned Peter being that he floored Wladdy 3 times and all. I would say Peter.

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Yeah but he's obvious choice and the fight that everyone wants to see.

I was assuming the post meant who else.

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Chagaev would pose a threat to fighters but i don't think wlad is one of them. Chagaev is tough but i don't see him as a threat to wlad himself. Dimitrenko has well flown under the radar thus far but soon he will EXPLODE into the scene.. Dimitrenko has a great amatuer background and is getting better in leaps and bounds. His height will be a huge advantage because he uses it well. He would personally for Wlad be much more difficult than a just above mediocre chagaev.

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I got to disagree there...I his last fight Dimitrenko was floored by a totally shot Timo Hoffmann...even though Dimitrenko won that one scoring two or three knockdowns himself...But Hoffmann was way past it and still gave Dimitrenko nearly more than he could handle...Dimitrenko has good speed and decent skill,but thats it...no punch(for a heavy) and chinny...

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I can understand your view, i just think dimitrenko does have a way to go... but when you say a " totally shot" hoffman.. is this the ONE AND ONLY guy that went the distance with Vitali Klitschko? That Timo Hoffman? Let's remember, Dimitrenko is still green in a sense.. he has time and natural abilities that can be given to someone speaking in terms of size. You don't start out on top.. he's a work in progress.. i think you will in the next year see him on HBO IMO.

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Chagaev would pose a threat to fighters but i don't think wlad is one of them. Chagaev is tough but i don't see him as a threat to wlad himself. Dimitrenko has well flown under the radar thus far but soon he will EXPLODE into the scene.. Dimitrenko has a great amatuer background and is getting better in leaps and bounds. His height will be a huge advantage because he uses it well. He would personally for Wlad be much more difficult than a just above mediocre chagaev.

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I got to disagree there...I his last fight Dimitrenko was floored by a totally shot Timo Hoffmann...even though Dimitrenko won that one scoring two or three knockdowns himself...But Hoffmann was way past it and still gave Dimitrenko nearly more than he could handle...Dimitrenko has good speed and decent skill,but thats it...no punch(for a heavy) and chinny...

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I can understand your view, i just think dimitrenko does have a way to go... but when you say a " totally shot" hoffman.. is this the ONE AND ONLY guy that went the distance with Vitali Klitschko? That Timo Hoffman? Let's remember, Dimitrenko is still green in a sense.. he has time and natural abilities that can be given to someone speaking in terms of size. You don't start out on top.. he's a work in progress.. i think you will in the next year see him on HBO IMO.

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Yep...that Timo Hoffmann and you can be sure if Hoffmann would have been in his prime like vs Klitschko(or even against Krasnqi),Dimitrenko would have lost...I've following Dimitrenkos career for quite some time and I hope he will step it up soon,but so far he evaded the bigger names succesfully...

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I got to disagree there...I his last fight Dimitrenko was floored by a totally shot Timo Hoffmann...even though Dimitrenko won that one scoring two or three knockdowns himself...But Hoffmann was way past it and still gave Dimitrenko nearly more than he could handle...Dimitrenko has good speed and decent skill,but thats it...no punch(for a heavy) and chinny...

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I can understand your view, i just think dimitrenko does have a way to go... but when you say a " totally shot" hoffman.. is this the ONE AND ONLY guy that went the distance with Vitali Klitschko? That Timo Hoffman? Let's remember, Dimitrenko is still green in a sense.. he has time and natural abilities that can be given to someone speaking in terms of size. You don't start out on top.. he's a work in progress.. i think you will in the next year see him on HBO IMO.

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Yep...that Timo Hoffmann and you can be sure if Hoffmann would have been in his prime like vs Klitschko(or even against Krasnqi),Dimitrenko would have lost...I've following Dimitrenkos career for quite some time and I hope he will step it up soon,but so far he evaded the bigger names succesfully...

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I don't so much think it's Dimitrenko ducking bigger names as much as Klaus Peter kohl being notorious for padding really rediculously impressive records for all of his fighters before sending them into the lion's den metaphorically speaking. All the German boxing stables do that.. they work a fighter up huge in europe and then make sure that they can somewhat withstand things and then make them fight bums a little more after that.. and then they finally give the someone with half a name.

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I can understand your view, i just think dimitrenko does have a way to go... but when you say a " totally shot" hoffman.. is this the ONE AND ONLY guy that went the distance with Vitali Klitschko? That Timo Hoffman? Let's remember, Dimitrenko is still green in a sense.. he has time and natural abilities that can be given to someone speaking in terms of size. You don't start out on top.. he's a work in progress.. i think you will in the next year see him on HBO IMO.

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Yep...that Timo Hoffmann and you can be sure if Hoffmann would have been in his prime like vs Klitschko(or even against Krasnqi),Dimitrenko would have lost...I've following Dimitrenkos career for quite some time and I hope he will step it up soon,but so far he evaded the bigger names succesfully...

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I don't so much think it's Dimitrenko ducking bigger names as much as Klaus Peter kohl being notorious for padding really rediculously impressive records for all of his fighters before sending them into the lion's den metaphorically speaking. All the German boxing stables do that.. they work a fighter up huge in europe and then make sure that they can somewhat withstand things and then make them fight bums a little more after that.. and then they finally give the someone with half a name.

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You forgot to add....and then they get knocked out

well.. that was the case for a while.. but seeing all the euro fighters making b-lines to train in Germany.. not so much the case anymore.

Klitschkos, povetkin, valuev, chagaev, dimitrenko, solis, erdei, and many more.

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I don't so much think it's Dimitrenko ducking bigger names as much as Klaus Peter kohl being notorious for padding really rediculously impressive records for all of his fighters before sending them into the lion's den metaphorically speaking. All the German boxing stables do that.. they work a fighter up huge in europe and then make sure that they can somewhat withstand things and then make them fight bums a little more after that.. and then they finally give the someone with half a name.

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You are right with that...though Kohl wanted an internal stable duell between Dimitrenko and Luan Krasniqi and it was Dimitrenko who turned that down...

But lets not make this a Dimitrenko thread...Other opponents who might be a threat to Wladimir:

Vladimir Virchis:Big guy...can pack a punch and take one...though not the most skilled and too passive...,but still dangerous opponent...

Juan Carlos Gomez:Tons of talent and fast hands...seems to have management problems,a lazy work attitude and cocain problems...





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Originally Posted by eagle

I'd like to say David Haye. I think he would make HW boxing interesting again.
Unfortunately i think a fight between him and Wlad would be similiar to a jabbing UD borefest for Wlad. Especially if he doesnt take any risks and continues with steward as his trainer.

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Haye would not stand for that shit for 12 rounds he would take risks to land.

There are a few different.

I like Thompson but I'm not sure he could stand the offensive attack of Wladimir. Thompson isn't a real assertive guy and I think that's what it's going to take to beat Wlad and for Thompson to be comfortable he has to lay back at range and that's never good versus Wlad.

Still, I'm glad Thompson got some play in here.

I think the power of Sam Peter can get to him. Sam doesn't have the best form and pitter pats like a baby sometimes but he does have power in those straight punches of his, he can take Klitschko's punch and if he can catch him then he can have Wlad in trouble.

He'll never win a decision against Wlad but you can't count out his power.

David Haye is the guy. Someone athletic, someone able to move Klitschko backwards and someone who has power. Haye has the capability to do all that.

I'm not sure he wins but Haye will make Klitschko fight tooth and nail to win and he'll make Wlad perfect if Wlad wins. I want this fight.

Povetkin takes to many shots to get in there with Klitschko but he is chippy. I wouldn't count him out, he gets better as the fight goes along and if Wlad doesn't punish him (like he tends not to do), then Povetkin will continue to fight. I wouldn't mind matching Povetkin in there.

Get him in there with an aura of confidence around him and use that to win. That's what those latter two have, they would no doubt believe they belong in the ring with Klitschko and that is half the battle.

IMO it's Chagaev & Thompson

I think we're dangerously close to overrating David Haye. Sure he's a natural heavyweight, but let's not forget he's a largely untested heavyweight. Sorry, but against Enzo, I saw a huge flaw in his game. The guy does this weird crouch-face-forward thing and combine that with his low left hand he is WIDE open for a quick, stiff jab. Sure he's fast and that's probably what will keep him away from such a punch, but a jab is the easiest one to throw and Wladimir Klitschko is the LAST guy you want to catch one from. He'll more than likely come in lighter like he did against Ibragimov and either dominate just the same or eventually plant a straight right on Haye's kisser. And I don't see things faring much better for him against Sam Peter. Let's just wait and see how Haye takes care of Dominick Guinn or Julius Long and go from there.

Right now I am not sure what person is the biggest threat to Wladimir other than Wladimir himself. When he gets complacent he can mess up and anyone can get to him but I think the days of him merely being happy to hold a title are over he wants a legacy that is compared with the Lewis', Hoilyfield's, and Tyson's and we're going to disagree if he can actually achieve that but he's going to try for it and the other heavyweights are going to have to fight each other and get the cream of the crop to fight him.


David Haye is an unknown at the heavyweight division, we know he's a pretty fierce cruiserweight but it doesn't automatically mean he's going to dominate the heavyweight division especially when you consider the style matchups some of the top level heavyweights will give him.

Sam Peter hasn't really improved all that well but he's a known entity and has a title and Manny seems pretty hot on a rematch between Sam Peter and Wlad but I think that is more to put on a really big show and have Wladimir be the first guy to KO Sam Peter AND making Wlad 3/4ths the unified champion of the heavyweight division. Sam Peter has gotten worse since Wlad fought him and Wlad has gotten better.

Ruslan Chagaev is a tough guy, he hasn't really fought any big time punchers or even boxers as good as Wlad. I think he's dangerous because he's a southpaw and he can study how Wlad took on Sultan and Corrie Sanders but Wlad will learn how to take out a guy who is in the ring "not wanting to get KO'd"

I am not really sure at this point in time if anyone is ready to take out Wlad so I guess the next two guys to face him have the best shots simply because they will be in the ring with him and you never know what is going to happen. Thompson should be easier to hit than Sultan but he is taller and boxes better, Povetkin is a hard worker but God help him if he usually puffs up like he did vs Chambers or if he's so easy to counter with the right cross

David Haye, without doubt.

Slapper boy has got to start running as the Hayemaker is waiting for him.

Don't get your hopes up too high....I'd wait to see how he handles some real heavyweights before I call him the next big thing much less the next guy ready to beat the champ.

Haye is going to run into some guys who are going to be able to hurt him, he better get his defense ready

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Originally Posted by leftylee

David Haye, without doubt.

Slapper boy has got to start running as the Hayemaker is waiting for him.

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Case. In. Point.

Lyle, you really think Peter has gotten worse? Peter gave Maskaev a whole lot more movement than he'd ever done pre-Klitschko, defensively. And he's less ept to rely solely on his power. He seems more likely to look for his opponent to show weakness rather than just trying to cut him down. I don't know about Peter winning, though. I do think it will be more of a competitive fight the second time around rather than a landslide.

Check out my article: Wham, Bam, Thank You Sam.

samuel peter

david haye maybe, have to see how good he can be at heavyweight

I don't think Peter is that much of a threat to Wladimir as people think, his *so called* knockdowns of Wlad were rabbit punches and if i remember right technically only one of them should of counted. Peter never really hurt Wlad despite flooring him 3 times well if you call those proper knockdowns, and he was completely out boxed. People say Peter has made a lot of improvements but i don't really see much improvements, if anything he was exposed against McCline that his chin isn't as good as people think plus i think Peter's power is overrated as well. Peter is still a slow plodding Heavyweight with good power but not much else. Wlad has improved since the 1st Peter fight and he would totally out box Peter even worse this time, except it ain't going to be as exciting as there 1st meeting because Wlad will be even more cautious which will make it even harder for Peter to connect than it was in there 1st fight.

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Originally Posted by leftylee

David Haye, without doubt.

Slapper boy has got to start running as the Hayemaker is waiting for him.

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Case. In. Point.

Lyle, you really think Peter has gotten worse? Peter gave Maskaev a whole lot more movement than he'd ever done pre-Klitschko, defensively. And he's less ept to rely solely on his power. He seems more likely to look for his opponent to show weakness rather than just trying to cut him down. I don't know about Peter winning, though. I do think it will be more of a competitive fight the second time around rather than a landslide.

Check out my article: Wham, Bam, Thank You Sam.

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You wrote a great article but just the impression Sam Peter has left on me since his loss to Wlad it seems that something is missing from him. Sam Peter has developed a better jab....no one is going to outjab Wladimir. Sam has done better to not rely solely on his power but he hasn't developed better boxing skills to an extent to where he can outbox rather than out muscle most of his opponents.

Right now Sam Peter is kind of like the Oscar De la Hoya that fought Fernando Vargas, you see what he's trying to do but it isn't looking pretty and it isn't efficient...he looks worse because he's being trained to do other things, maybe he'll turn it around and learn how to do this better.

You look at Sam Peter's KO's before he fought Wlad and then look at him fight Maskaev #1 Maskaev hurt Sam and #2 Maskaev didn't even go down, and we're talking about a guy who got knocked out of the ring by Kirk Johnson!

With the improvements Sam has made he's made himself more well rounded but he hasn't done anything to make a rematch with Wladimir Klitschko any different than the first fight. Sam's punches are still wide and loopy and because of that he's easier to catch and easier to counter. If Eddie Chambers had any stamina he'd beat Sam Peter

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David Haye, without doubt.

Slapper boy has got to start running as the Hayemaker is waiting for him.

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Case. In. Point.

Lyle, you really think Peter has gotten worse? Peter gave Maskaev a whole lot more movement than he'd ever done pre-Klitschko, defensively. And he's less ept to rely solely on his power. He seems more likely to look for his opponent to show weakness rather than just trying to cut him down. I don't know about Peter winning, though. I do think it will be more of a competitive fight the second time around rather than a landslide.

Check out my article: Wham, Bam, Thank You Sam.

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You wrote a great article but just the impression Sam Peter has left on me since his loss to Wlad it seems that something is missing from him. Sam Peter has developed a better jab....no one is going to outjab Wladimir. Sam has done better to not rely solely on his power but he hasn't developed better boxing skills to an extent to where he can outbox rather than out muscle most of his opponents.

Right now Sam Peter is kind of like the Oscar De la Hoya that fought Fernando Vargas, you see what he's trying to do but it isn't looking pretty and it isn't efficient...he looks worse because he's being trained to do other things, maybe he'll turn it around and learn how to do this better.

You look at Sam Peter's KO's before he fought Wlad and then look at him fight Maskaev #1 Maskaev hurt Sam and #2 Maskaev didn't even go down, and we're talking about a guy who got knocked out of the ring by Kirk Johnson!

With the improvements Sam has made he's made himself more well rounded but he hasn't done anything to make a rematch with Wladimir Klitschko any different than the first fight. Sam's punches are still wide and loopy and because of that he's easier to catch and easier to counter. If Eddie Chambers had any stamina he'd beat Sam Peter

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Stamina or no, I think Eddie Chambers would realize he's in the wrong weight class if he fought Peter. That peek-a-boo style won't work with someone who can blast through a guard and considering he got shy fighting Povetkin what would he do against someone who hits a lot harder?

I tend to agree with you about Peter. From their first matchup Peter and Klitschko have improved, but Klitschko seems to be on the tail end of his lesson whereas Peter seems to be much closer to the beginning of his. I think part II will be a much more technical, less passionate matchup where Peter more legitimately takes rounds (3, 4 at most) and reduces the amount of looping punches he throws but finds himself getting tied up more on the inside, leaned on and kept at bay with Klitschko's jab (which he'll be able to avoid, but held aloft with it, nonetheless). I would expect Peter to take all his rounds early as Wlad may be somewhat nervous and tends to give away earlier rounds (I initially thought Calvin Brock was doing good work in their match- I think it had more to do with Wlad letting him do what he did). When Klitschko hurt Peter it was when they threw rights at the same time and Wlad's got there first and considering nothing else had that kind of effect and that was more of a 1 in 1000 punch I doubt it happens again. I would say Klitschko will continue to come in at the lighter weight as this worked very well against Ibragimov. I doubt he lost much power but what he gained in footwork and stamina offset any loss significantly.

The one thing that always seems to surprise me about Peter is how big he fights. In the Maskaev fight and in the Klitschko one it didn't seem like either guy towered over him. Peter is 6'1" at best, but he didn't seem to be looking up in those fights; they seemed more eye to eye. I don't remember Klitschko specifically, but Maskaev didn't have a wide stance- he didn't give up his height and Klitschko stopped doing that when Steward came along.

I think Calvin Brock would be a good solid fight for Sam Peter in his first title defense. Sam is going to have to learn how to beat a boxer...if he gets more crafty then he'll pose more of a threat but you know what he's thinking all the time when he's fighting "must land haymaker, must land haymaker"


Wladimir Klitschko needs to start jumping on opponents, it's taken him longer to learn than it took Lennox Lewis to learn but he's going to get there and he's going to be even better at KO-ing fighters earlier.

Wlad used to give up his height it hurt him vs Corrie Sanders where Wlad was fighting in a near crouch and it obviously made Corrie's job easier.

I think Wlad has gotten away from clinching too much and I think he's going to use his jab to keep the distance instead of clinching to get out of range. He's going to use the jab as a defensive weapon as well as an offensive one. The left hook of Wlad is what really wobbled Sam Peter and after watching the McCline and Maskaev fights I think hooking off the jab will put an end to any offense Sam Peter can muster.

I think the rematch will be more exciting and there will be a KO in the end.

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I think Calvin Brock would be a good solid fight for Sam Peter in his first title defense. Sam is going to have to learn how to beat a boxer...if he gets more crafty then he'll pose more of a threat but you know what he's thinking all the time when he's fighting "must land haymaker, must land haymaker"


Wladimir Klitschko needs to start jumping on opponents, it's taken him longer to learn than it took Lennox Lewis to learn but he's going to get there and he's going to be even better at KO-ing fighters earlier.

Wlad used to give up his height it hurt him vs Corrie Sanders where Wlad was fighting in a near crouch and it obviously made Corrie's job easier.

I think Wlad has gotten away from clinching too much and I think he's going to use his jab to keep the distance instead of clinching to get out of range. He's going to use the jab as a defensive weapon as well as an offensive one. The left hook of Wlad is what really wobbled Sam Peter and after watching the McCline and Maskaev fights I think hooking off the jab will put an end to any offense Sam Peter can muster.

I think the rematch will be more exciting and there will be a KO in the end.

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I think the result will be the same but no ko. Brock would be a good test for Peter. He won't test him too much; Sam more than likely will still win even if he tries to tee off all night and can't clear him out, but he can also try boxing with a boxer. Brock was so nervous-looking against Eddie Chambers of all people that he'll be tired down the stretch and Peter can collect the latter rounds.

Steward tends to train his fighters to be more exciting. He screamed at Lennox to take out Tyson, screamed at Taylor to take out Spinks and screamed at Klitschko to take out Ibragimov. It wasn't that these guys weren't winning- he sees the crowd and knows what it looks like when his fighter is in there not losing as opposed to winning. He had to train Klitschko how to clench because of how quickly things can go wrong for Wlad off one well-placed punch, but you're right, Klitschko is moving away from it. Manny wants him to utilize his greatest talent; that big right hand.

But I don't know if Klitschko will be a 1, 2 or 3 round KO kind of guy. Think of the recent fights he's had where he could have tested his opponent and didn't only to find out the guy really didn't have anything for him and he pulled the trigger later on. Ray Austin is different; I don't think I've ever seen someone take a KO beating from 90% jabs.

Klitschko now fights tall like he should. I'd like to see him fight a little faster. That's one thing Lennox definitely had over him; he could move like he was a lot smaller.

The one thing I do want to go away is the chin talk regarding Peter. Jameel McCline has NEVER been that kind of fighter and strangely he turns into a monster when he fights Peter. I think the pre-fight interview is very indicative of what was really going on. Notice Maskaev wasn't able to produce the same result.

The reason I say Wlad would KO Sam Peter is because it's obvious to even the likes of me that Sam Peter is a sucker for the left hook...it's a dangerous game to play hooking with a fighter whose money punch is the left hook but seeing how Wlad can hook off the jab and how Sam Peter's hook is wide I don't think the danger is there for Wlad to go for a KO vs Sam Peter at any point in the fight....besides Sam is looking for the right cross to come down on him so the guard will be perfect for a left hook to land.


I think Wlad can still be the exciting fighter like Lewis or Hearns...sure he uses that jab a ton but it's a GREAT weapon to have that helps out on defense as much as offense. What Wlad needs to start doing is winning the first round! He takes his time ever since the Sanders fight and he needs to realize it's not THAT he jumps on someone early it's HOW he jumps on someone early....vs Sanders he threw crazy punches and fought short giving Sanders the upperhand. You can get to someone early without putting yourself in danger....I don't understand this wait until round 3 to fire the right cross strategy....throw it right out of the gate....land hard early and set the TONE!

With Lennox Lewis he chose which opponents he was going to jump on...Golota, Grant, Botha...he jumped on those guys early and got early KO's. VS other guys he waited. Wlad should really model his career after Lennox as they have a lot in common (something you Brits don't want to admit but it's true) trainer, size, athletic ability, punching power, smarts....Lewis had more natural ring intelligence but Wlad is no dummy. Wlad should see a guy like Povetkin and see how Chambers hurt him and say to himself "I can get this guy in 2-4" after he hits him with the first solid power punch.


Maskaev did hurt Sam Peter though and it's obvious Sam cannot take a left hook the same way he can take a right cross because he can absorb a ton of punishment from right crosses as the fight with Wlad proved

I know i am going way off the beaten path here... but.. all this talk about Sam Peter and who he should fight.. i would LOVE TO SEE HIM FIGHT CORRIE SANDERS!!!!

The biggest threat now has to be Peter.Wlad did beat him very easily except the rounds he was dropped,but Peter has gotten better.He has gained better boxing ability and Wlad really has just stayed the same and untested.I would still go with Wlad though this time and he'd probably stop Peter in 8.

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The biggest threat now has to be Peter.Wlad did beat him very easily except the rounds he was dropped,but Peter has gotten better.He has gained better boxing ability and Wlad really has just stayed the same and untested.I would still go with Wlad though this time and he'd probably stop Peter in 8.

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Sam Peter BARELY took the rounds where he dropped Wlad. Wlad easily dominated Sam Peter hitting him whenever he wanted to.

As for Corrie Sanders it would be a HUGE risk but I too would like to see Wlad avenge his loss vs Sanders....I doubt anyone is high on seeing him fight Purrity again though

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The biggest threat now has to be Peter.Wlad did beat him very easily except the rounds he was dropped,but Peter has gotten better.He has gained better boxing ability and Wlad really has just stayed the same and untested.I would still go with Wlad though this time and he'd probably stop Peter in 8.

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Sam Peter BARELY took the rounds where he dropped Wlad. Wlad easily dominated Sam Peter hitting him whenever he wanted to.

As for Corrie Sanders it would be a HUGE risk but I too would like to see Wlad avenge his loss vs Sanders....I doubt anyone is high on seeing him fight Purrity again though

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I don't think Peter even won any rounds against Wlad except the rounds he dropped him in obviously but other than that he won no other rounds. And how would Sanders be a *Huge* risk ?? Sanders was stopped in the 1st round just recently and he is 40+ i don't see that equals to Sanders being *dangerous*.

Sanders is dangerous due to his handspeed and power plus he has the psychological advantage over Wladimir because of their first fight. Sanders is also a huge career risk because of his age, his last fight, and the fact he never trains.....if Wlad got beat by him again it would be devistating and career ending. Wlad winning vs Sanders would do little for his status other than just tie up a loose end

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Sanders is dangerous due to his handspeed and power plus he has the psychological advantage over Wladimir because of their first fight. Sanders is also a huge career risk because of his age, his last fight, and the fact he never trains.....if Wlad got beat by him again it would be devistating and career ending. Wlad winning vs Sanders would do little for his status other than just tie up a loose end

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To be honest Sanders vs Wlad at this point is a waste of time, it would be a lose/lose situation for Wlad and no one would give him credit including me for the victory and if he lost that would be the end of Wlad's career. Sanders is 40+ and was stopped in 1 round by a journeyman fighter in his last fight, the rematch should of happened ages ago its too late now, and plus Sanders is way down the rankings now due to his recent loss and his inactivity. There would be no anticipation for a rematch Lyle.

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Sanders is dangerous due to his handspeed and power plus he has the psychological advantage over Wladimir because of their first fight. Sanders is also a huge career risk because of his age, his last fight, and the fact he never trains.....if Wlad got beat by him again it would be devistating and career ending. Wlad winning vs Sanders would do little for his status other than just tie up a loose end

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To be honest Sanders vs Wlad at this point is a waste of time, it would be a lose/lose situation for Wlad and no one would give him credit including me for the victory and if he lost that would be the end of Wlad's career. Sanders is 40+ and was stopped in 1 round by a journeyman fighter in his last fight, the rematch should of happened ages ago its too late now, and plus Sanders is way down the rankings now due to his recent loss and his inactivity. There would be no anticipation for a rematch Lyle.

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I might have to question Sanders' psychological advantage over Klitschko in a rematch. Against Brewster Klitschko seemed to have no memory of what happened the first time out. That may have something to do with the fact Brewster fought a much more complacent fight (I think he wants some brains left so he can have a convo with his kids) but even if Brewster had come out like he did against Golota I think Klitschko could have handled it. Steward has given him too many tools for a storm and swarm fighter like Brewster sometimes is to beat and once that's all gassed out it's easy pickins'. Wlad seemed to handle Ibragimov's quick hands just fine and he takes boxing a lot more seriously than he had up to that fight. Klitschko was so DRY, I remember and he seemed to have no awareness that Sanders could do what he did. In a rematch I say Klitschko shows how much like Lennox he can be by thrashing Sanders in the first round. I doubt it'll happen anyway. At least in the Brewster fight we could say Brewster only lost the belt because he had that detached retina. What case could we make for Sanders?