Something that baffles me is why there was a rematch clause if Marquez beat Pacquiao?
Marquez was the man with the belt in this fight. Why should Pacquiao get a rematch clause in the contract?
B.S.
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Something that baffles me is why there was a rematch clause if Marquez beat Pacquiao?
Marquez was the man with the belt in this fight. Why should Pacquiao get a rematch clause in the contract?
B.S.
I guess because although not the belt holder, he was by far the star, the Ring champ and recognised best fighter in the division as well as a cash cow.
I actually am in the tiny minority who doesn't really care to see them fight again.
I think they are both taking years off of each other and want Manny to have a go at conquering 135 before he retires.
If he fights Marquez again, even if he wins I think he will be effectively done as a fighter.
Brawlers like Paquaio, like Barrera and Morales before him only have so much in the tank.
Coralles and Castillo had little left after their brutal first fight, I think it will be the same for Pacquaio if he fights Marquez again.
As for Marquez, mark my words, if he fights Juan Guzman or mayeb even Edwin Valero next he's getting beat and possibly even knocked out.
Pac wasn't Ring champion till he won last night Bilbo. ;D
Tempers flare after Pacquiao-Marquez fight ends in split decision - Los Angeles Times
Read the last line, Pacquiao stated he will fight Marquez again. I'm sure this will happen within this year. Win or lose I want Manny to fight Marquez again I don't want people saying that the PACMAN is scared of fighting Marquez.
Regarding Marquez losing to Valero and Joan Guzman, I doubt it.
They should go at it again, I mean it seems that more than half the people seem to think that marquez won the fight, so a rematch is warranted. As for marquez getting knocked out by valero and guzman can't see it happening, would outbox valero and guzman and jmm would be very intresting but I'd favor jmm. I don't think this fight ruined him at all, one fight usually doesn't do that to ya he's been a very smart boxer throughout his career for the most part thats why he's still able to compete at such a high level at 34, which is almost antiquity for the lower weight classes.
yeah that tag is reserved for a belt holding champion. Further proof that rules in boxing are subject to change and the sport is more interested in economics that the integrity of the sport.
Pac defeated Marquez twice already. I don't mind seeing Pac beating Marquez for the third time. ;D
So...
Marquez had to beat Pacquiao twice to keep his belt. I see. :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by bzkfn
Well I liked what I had written, it sounds good so I will pretend I never saw this :p
Pac man has all the bargaining power. That is why Pac got 5 mil to JM's 1.5 mil
Besides, the neither man was the champ, as the title was vacant until the decisions was read. (not counting alphabet trinkets)
Can a forced or mandatory rematch be enforced?
If you have a contractual rematch, the is not fulfilled you could sue for breach of contract(in the US), and get monetary damages, but it is unlikely that a court would ever order someone to fight.
That would be up to the WBC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing
But chances are Pacs gonna vacate the title and move up.
If the WBC does NOT enforce anything he'll move up and keep his 130 belt as a safety net in the event that he would loose. He can move back down and still hold a belt there....
Here's Sulaiman's take...Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickQuote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing
That would be up to the WBC.
But chances are Pacs gonna vacate the title and move up.
If the WBC does NOT enforce anything he'll move up and keep his 130 belt as a safety net in the event that he would loose. He can move back down and still hold a belt there....
SULAIMAN HAS NO PROBLEM WITH PACQUIAO'S SPLIT DECISION
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WBC president Don Jose Sulaiman says that while the rematch between Filipino ring idol Manny Pacquiao and Mexico’s Juan Manuel Marquez was a “very close, very competitive, very tough and very rough fight” he had no problem in accepting the judges split decision that enabled Pacquiao to win the WBC super featherweight title on Sunday.
In an overseas telephone conversation with Viva Sports/Manila Standard from his home in Mexico City, the WBC president said that every time Marquez connected with well-prepared counter-punches “Manny came back because he has the heart of a lion. He pressured Marquez but not in his usual open and frontal way. It was a very intelligent performance by both fighters."r came with a big heart and pressured Marquez but not in the usual open and frontal way.”
Sulaiman said “to be honest with you the fight was so close that it was very difficult for the judges to score. However, I would say that Pacquiao came back very determined and with a big heart at the end of the fight and that’s how he got what he got.”
The WBC president a longtime friend of the Philippines said “ we are proud of this championship because Marquez “ made it very difficult for Pacquiao. It was so close and Pacquiao did everything, everything to win the fight. As a boxing man it was so difficult and both men didn’t deserve to lose.”
Sulaiman said fight fans would have to wait and see what happens next especially since Pacquiao is reportedly committed to move up to lightweight and fight WBC champion David Diaz. However, the WBC president stressed that “one more fight (between Pacquiao and Marquez) is definitely what the people of the world want.”
Sulaiman conceded it would be “hard to agree” on a third fight even though Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer made a $6 million offer to Top Rank promoter Bob Arum who handles Pacquiao for one more fight. Sulaiman suggested that after one more fight for both Pacquiao and Marquez “there should be a rematch. It would be my recommendation as a boxing fan after listening to people talking that Marquez did not deserve to lose neither did Pacquiao.”
If there’s any consolation for Marquez it’s the fact that the WBC president assured him he will be ranked No.1 despite the loss because it “will be unfair” if he is not given the recognition after such a close fight. Sulaiman emphasized that “without any question he (Marquez) will fight for the title” which will happen should Pacquiao decide to relinquish the 130 pound crown and remain at 135 pounds.
Celebrated trainer Freddie Roach in an interview with journalist Dennis Principe on his Sports Talk morning show over dzSR Sports Radio said it was “a very good, very close fight and the knockdown (in round three) was the difference. I thought Manny won the fight by one point. Manny landed the bigger shots and Marquez came back in the middle rounds but in the end of the fight Manny finished well.” Roach noted that HBO panelists Larry Merchant, Jim Lampley and Emmanuel Steward all had Pacquiao the winner as well as several well-known boxing writers on popular boxing internet sites.
Roach said that when Marquez was dropped in round three “Manny knocked him down so hard I didn’t really think he would get up because of the way he went down. It was a great shot. If Manny jumped on him a little harder we would have had him. Marquez is a very durable guy. He showed a lot of heart to get up like that. In their first fight Marquez went down three times in the first round but in this fight, the way he went down, I thought he was out.”
Roach agreed with Pacquiao that Marquez fought a better fight in the rematch. Roach noted he was “more aggressive, threw more punches and he made some nice adjustments.”
Responding to criticism from the Marquez camp about the decision and an apparent division even among Filipinos, Roach said “let’s not talk about bad decisions. Talk about what a great fight it was. Either boy could have won the fight . If we lost by one point I wouldn’t complain. Both fighters wanted it and fights like this are great for boxing.”
if my memory serves me correctly JMM had the belt in the first also.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
Fl!p,Quote:
Originally Posted by Fl!p FlashEven Sulaiman thinks the decision was fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftHere's Sulaiman's take...Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
SULAIMAN HAS NO PROBLEM WITH PACQUIAO'S SPLIT DECISION
http://philboxing.com/news/pix/sulaiman.070511.280w.jpg
WBC president Don Jose Sulaiman says that while the rematch between Filipino ring idol Manny Pacquiao and Mexico’s Juan Manuel Marquez was a “very close, very competitive, very tough and very rough fight” he had no problem in accepting the judges split decision that enabled Pacquiao to win the WBC super featherweight title on Sunday.
In an overseas telephone conversation with Viva Sports/Manila Standard from his home in Mexico City, the WBC president said that every time Marquez connected with well-prepared counter-punches “Manny came back because he has the heart of a lion. He pressured Marquez but not in his usual open and frontal way. It was a very intelligent performance by both fighters."r came with a big heart and pressured Marquez but not in the usual open and frontal way.”
Sulaiman said “to be honest with you the fight was so close that it was very difficult for the judges to score. However, I would say that Pacquiao came back very determined and with a big heart at the end of the fight and that’s how he got what he got.”
The WBC president a longtime friend of the Philippines said “ we are proud of this championship because Marquez “ made it very difficult for Pacquiao. It was so close and Pacquiao did everything, everything to win the fight. As a boxing man it was so difficult and both men didn’t deserve to lose.”
Sulaiman said fight fans would have to wait and see what happens next especially since Pacquiao is reportedly committed to move up to lightweight and fight WBC champion David Diaz. However, the WBC president stressed that “one more fight (between Pacquiao and Marquez) is definitely what the people of the world want.”
Sulaiman conceded it would be “hard to agree” on a third fight even though Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer made a $6 million offer to Top Rank promoter Bob Arum who handles Pacquiao for one more fight. Sulaiman suggested that after one more fight for both Pacquiao and Marquez “there should be a rematch. It would be my recommendation as a boxing fan after listening to people talking that Marquez did not deserve to lose neither did Pacquiao.”
If there’s any consolation for Marquez it’s the fact that the WBC president assured him he will be ranked No.1 despite the loss because it “will be unfair” if he is not given the recognition after such a close fight. Sulaiman emphasized that “without any question he (Marquez) will fight for the title” which will happen should Pacquiao decide to relinquish the 130 pound crown and remain at 135 pounds.
Celebrated trainer Freddie Roach in an interview with journalist Dennis Principe on his Sports Talk morning show over dzSR Sports Radio said it was “a very good, very close fight and the knockdown (in round three) was the difference. I thought Manny won the fight by one point. Manny landed the bigger shots and Marquez came back in the middle rounds but in the end of the fight Manny finished well.” Roach noted that HBO panelists Larry Merchant, Jim Lampley and Emmanuel Steward all had Pacquiao the winner as well as several well-known boxing writers on popular boxing internet sites.
Roach said that when Marquez was dropped in round three “Manny knocked him down so hard I didn’t really think he would get up because of the way he went down. It was a great shot. If Manny jumped on him a little harder we would have had him. Marquez is a very durable guy. He showed a lot of heart to get up like that. In their first fight Marquez went down three times in the first round but in this fight, the way he went down, I thought he was out.”
Roach agreed with Pacquiao that Marquez fought a better fight in the rematch. Roach noted he was “more aggressive, threw more punches and he made some nice adjustments.”
Responding to criticism from the Marquez camp about the decision and an apparent division even among Filipinos, Roach said “let’s not talk about bad decisions. Talk about what a great fight it was. Either boy could have won the fight . If we lost by one point I wouldn’t complain. Both fighters wanted it and fights like this are great for boxing.”
Not sure how long you've been following boxing for but saying:
"Even Sulaiman thinks the decision was fair."
Holds as much credibility as Don King saying it. ;)
This is just too easy.... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fl!p FlashSulaiman had no problem accepting the judges' decision. So I assume the decision was fair for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickFl!p,Quote:
Originally Posted by Fl!p Flash
Not sure how long you've been following boxing for but saying:
"Even Sulaiman thinks the decision was fair."
Holds as much credibility as Don King saying it. ;)
I was just basing my opinion with someone's source.
If you have ANY sort of common sense you'll drop this discussion here.
WBC backs Pacquiao-Marquez III!
WBC President Jose Sulaiman said today that the WBC would have no objections to a third fight between WBC super featherweight champion Manny Pacquiao and former champ Juan Manuel Marquez. Sulaiman stated that Marquez would be rated #1 in the 130lb division, but acknowledged that Pacman is in an optional defense period, freeing him to take a fight with WBC lightweight champ David Diaz. Sulaiman also criticized the "arbitrariness and arrogance of the Nevada Athletic Commission" for replacing a WBC judge (Dick Flaherty, who is friends with Pacquiao trainer Freddie Roach's mother) with WBO judge Tom Miller.
Tuesday, March 18 2008