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I got Casamayor to beat Katsidis this weekend. Got him at 2.50 on Ladbrokes.
Yes, I know Casamayor was totally shithouse last time out but I just haven't been that impressed with Katsidis. He was staggered against Earl and went life and death with Amonsot.
Am I the only one who thinks Casamayor has a chance of taking Katsidis to school in this one?
Casamayor wins inside distance. tko 10
I'm usually the last one to be impressed by boxers who rely solely on power. They usually get exposed and made to look like a fool by some slick fighters. If Casamayor isn't slipping down too much, I think he can handle Kats. But that's a big if - naw maybe not that big, if you know what I mean.
Casamayor is older than Stonehenge...Katsidis should take him. But he needs to show some restraint early on.
Casamayor lost his last fight and got a gift. Unless he's a lot better than he was last time out Katsidis will have too much for him.
Hard to know what to make of Casa's last fight.. If that was really about the best shape he can get himself in these days then Kats has a very good chance to win.. If Casamayor can do better, if that fight helped he shake off some ring rust, he'll have too much skills for Kats. Expect a pretty good fight either way, barring that Casamayor has declined even moreso since Santa Cruz...
????? He won on pointsQuote:
Originally Posted by Fl!p Flash
Kats has speed, power, and big heart. His face looked like sh1t against Amonsot, but he ended up winning that one by TKO. Casa could get nailed from a one punch imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greig
Katsidis by late round KO.
Casa may lose round after round in this fight cuz he cant compete with Michaels pace . Ofcourse in his prime he would have made mincemeat out of this kid and skooled him easily but at this stage . Joels gonna struggle in there . His best hope is utilising his rough house tactics and cutting the Aussie and hopefully get him stopped on cuts .
I'll take Katsidis in this one...Casa's getting old and his skills are slippin.
Kats. Late rd. TKO or UD.
Casamayor will take Katsidis to school in a rather win for him
All Casamayor's losses have been via points Katsidis will have to do what no-one's done before ...... Casamayor on points ;D
I'll go with the young warrior in this match. Casamayor looked shit last time out.. i had him winning only one or maybe 2 rounds vs a fellow who didn't do all that much either.
I believe that Katsidis will be too strong and action packed for the aging clincher.
The only way i see Joel winning this match is another fix/ gift decision.
It will be interesting to see .
I think I'm going to go with Casamayor. Santa Cruz is actually a very decent boxer with skills, Katsidis has zero skills.
I think Casa knocks him out, even a badly faded Casa.
Joel may have looked piss poor last time out but I still can't see how the bookies have Kats a clear favourite for this one.
He went life and death with Graham Earl for fucks sakes, and thats his biggest win. In fact thats the only opponent hes fought who I ever even heard of!
Casamayor has gone toe toe with the greatest lightweights of the past 10 years, Im amazed the bookies have Kats such a big favourite for this.
In my mind he's going to get starched
I dont understand the hype surrouding Katsidis. He barely got by Amorost and showed in that fight that he can be outboxed and outsmarted. He is strong but his skill is limited. He throws good punches but doesnt know how to put himself in position to throw them especially against a good boxer. Hes a solid basic fighter who hasnt been tested yet and ontop of that he cuts easily. Casa of a few years ago would beat him easily. Now, im not sure, it depends on if he has anything left. I give him little chance against Campbell or Diaz if he wins this one unless hes improved a lot.
The Katsidis-Amonsot fight was prolly the most brutal fight I've seen in decade.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
Michael was bleeding in the outside, and Czar was bleeding internally.
i got katz on this one. casa got the skills but he's been lazy and over confident lately. i think he gets caught in this fight and down he goes.
I sort of had the same thoughts until I recently watched some of Casamayor vs Corrales which was at the end of 06... Casa actually looks extremely faded in that fight as well, Chico was just so damn weight drained he couldn't do anything about it. Before that I remember Casa had fought on FNF and looked very average. I don't think his last fight was just due to the layoff and something he'll be able to shake off in training. He has been rapidly declining over the last few years imo, hasn't looked good at all since he was shafted against Kid Diamond. You've also got to remember the bookies know how each fighter looks leading up to the fight, they hear things we won't, maybe Casa is getting clobbered by his sparring partners. Wouldn't surprise me. I don't think this fight will really come down to Kats being very good, Casamayor has faded enough to lose to him though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
What you gotta remember is how hungry Katsidis will be, really he's only a 'interim' champ and so if he wins this he will bag the Ring belt meaning technically he would be considered #1 lightweight in the world :-\
I've got Katsidis PTS.
Casamayor, like Amorost is a southpaw. I think Katsidis has problems with southpaws and good boxers. Casa isnt what he used to be but if hes more prepared than he was last time out he will pull out one last good performance and outbox Katsidis. Just wait till sunday, people will be saying Katsidis is overrated. Casa will make him look bad.
i think it's going to be casa by decision or kats by stoppage.
Casamayor is going to be the best & most experienced opponent Katsidis has ever faced. Although he is not what he used to be he knows every trick in the book & like Hopkins is known to bend the rule to his advantage. Katsidis is gonna be in the fight of his life the whole way IMO! His power is his greatest advantage, if he can pressure Joel throughout without getting to cut up or damaged he maybe able to take over in the championship rounds as Casamayor fades. I can't see a KO but Katsidis could take the decision.
KATSIDIS-CASAMAYOR PRESSCON PHOTOS
PhilBoxing.com
Fri, 21 Mar 2008
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Ring Magazine World Lightweight Champion Joel Casamayor (left) and WBO Interim World Lightweight Champion Michael Katsidis (right) face off for the media following today's Press Conference at Morongo Casino Resort & Spa to discuss their March 22, 2008 world title bout which will be televised live on HBO's Boxing After Dark.
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Ring Magazine World Lightweight Champion Joel Casamayor (left) and WBO Interim World Lightweight Champion Michael Katsidis (right) pose for the media following today's Press Conference at Morongo Casino Resort & Spa to discuss their March 22, 2008 world title bout which will be televised live on HBO's Boxing After Dark.
I don't think he will end up like this against Casa...
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casa looks horrible, shave those pubic hair out of your face man :mad: geez!
He likes that Kimbo Slice look. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Boxing News : Casamayor-Katsidis: The Pre-Fight Report Cardhttp://www.boxingscene.com/uploads/13169_thumb.jpg By Cliff Rold
For the fifth and final time in March 2008, one of Boxing’s true World championships will be on the line. In the first four encounters, fans have seen:
1. Probably the Fight of the Year in Israel Vasquez’s Jr. Featherweight defense against former champion Rafael Marquez;
2. The scrappy fourth encounter, and draw, between Flyweight king Daisuke Naito and former champion Pongsaklek Wonjongkam;
3. A memorable 2nd round knockout in David Haye’s Cruiserweight defense against Enzo Maccarinelli; and
4. A thriller last weekend as Manny Pacquiaohttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/1.gif captured the vacant World Jr. Lightweight crown via narrow spilt decision against Juan Manuel Marquez.
If you’re a Marquez, it’s not the best of times. For the rest of the fight faithful, it doesn’t get much better. Will the trends of recent weeks carry over? If they do, can the 36-year Joel Casamayor (35-3-1, 21 KO) expect to still be the World Lightweight champion when the final bell gives way to the church bell?
Let’s go to the report card.
Speed: The 1996 Olympic Gold Medalist from Cuba, Casamayor, would have been the easy choice in this category was he three to four years younger. In his prime, the southpaw Casamayor had quick feet, reflexes and hands to go with his streak of nasty. When he enters the ring at the Morongo Resort and Casino in Cabazon, CA on Saturday night (HBO 10:05 PM EST/PST), Casamayor may wish he could have a measure of his youth back. The challenger, Australia’s Michael Katsidis (23-0, 20 KO), 27, is most noted for the specter of violence he brings to his fights. That violence unfolds at a rapid clip.
Katsidis has solid speed for a puncher and is able to accelerate in combination. Against Graham Earl in early 2007, Katsidis wasn’t always able to beat the seemingly faster man to the punch, but when he did he let loose with volleys that prohibited return fire. Against Czar Amonsot last July, Katsidis’s ability to get his shots home played the role of equalizer as his face amassed grotesque cuts and swellings. In Casamayor’s two most recent outings, a decision win for the title against Diego Corrales in October 2006 and what should have been a decision loss to Jose Armando Santa Cruz last November, Casamayor showed flashes of his old hand speed but there didn’t seem to be much behind the shots. All too often lately, if he’s throwing at all, he’s throwing slap flurries off his back foot or while he’s moving away from the action. The late Corrales was weight drained and flat and Casamayor never really engaged. Against Santa Cruz, Casamayor often hit more air than anything else and was shaken more than once. The slick boxer is always assumed to be faster, but in terms of raw athleticism, a different scenario could unfold. Pre-Fight Grades: Katsidis B+; Casamayor B
Power: Katsidis can hurt opponents with his left hook (off the jab or as a lead), his straight right or his right uppercut. He can maul an opponent with an accumulation of shots or get them out of there with one. Casamayor has scored only three knockouts in his last ten fights. The catch is in looking at who each man has been fighting. In Casamayor’s last ten bouts, dating back to January 2003, he has faced the likes of Corrales (thrice), Nate Campbell, and Jose Luis Castillo. In contrast, Katsidis entered his 14th month as a professional in January 2003. That doesn’t mean Casamayor was ever a bigger puncher than Katsidis. It does mean that knockouts are harder to come by as one’s quality of opponents increases. Casamayor has been down, sometimes hard and sometimes not so much, against the likes of Corrales, Acelino Freitas, Daniel Seda and Santa Cruz. None could keep him on the deck. Katsidis’s nine year age advantage could give him a great shot to do so but he must remember to go to the body. Katsidis can get caught head hunting; he’ll need to be unpredictable to maintain openings against the veteran. Pre-Fight Grades: Katsidis A; Casamayor B-
Defense: Casamayor at his best had good head movement, could block well, and had the legs to could keep out of harms way. He was never and isn’t now a Willie Pep or Pernell Whitaker, but piling punishment on Casamayor was never an easy task. Over time, Casamayor’s defensive tools have grown to include a willingness to grapple and, when inside, foul. His educated use of shoulders and elbows in a clinch, followed with a flurry and retreat, could come in handy if he looks to frustrate Katsidis’s offense with such tactics. A frustrated Katsidis could be a sitting duck for Casamayor, old or not. Against Earl, Katsidis was hurt in both the second and fourth rounds as he pursued the telling knockout blows. Focused on offense, Katsidis squares up in front of foes and Casamayor has been in enough tough rounds to know how to measure a winning counter shot. When he’s pacing himself, Katsidis bends at the waist while keeping his hands high and tight, earmuffing his chin and temples while also allowing cover for his ribs. If he remains patient, he can use that defense to deflect flurries and launch before Casamayor can spin away. Patience just doesn’t seem his style. Pre-Fight Grades: Casamayor B; Katsidis C+
Intangibles: Casamayor has earned a measure of enmity amongst the hardcore faithful in recent years. Too many close decisions in the heart of his career, a long layoff, and a title that should have been departed from him last year have done him no favors. Still, no one can doubt that Casamayor has always been a fighter through and through. He’s never stopped trying to win in any bout and, with a history of slow starts, hasn’t had the luxury too. The rare exception, his failed December 2004 shot at then-Lightweight champion Jose Luis Castillo, saw Casamayor jump out to an early lead and then survive a late-rounds assault that saw him shaking at the effects of the body shots Castillo was landing. Another man may have fallen but Casamayor left everything he had in the ring to both weather the storm and throw the punches he needed to stay in the fight. That performance, that spirit, is why Casamayor was such a pleasure to watch for years even with the occasional dirty tactic. His fighting heart will be met in equal measure this weekend. Katsidis showed in his war with Amonsot that blood and virtual blindness aren’t what he considers deterrents to victory. It was the sort of early-career gut check that no one likes to see their developing fighter go through but one that causes a sigh of relief if the fighter passes the test. Katsidis will have many more tests as he enters this new phase of his career a step above the fare he’s faced so far. Pre-Fight Grades: Casamayor B+; Katsidis B
Overall Report Card: Casamayor B; Katsidis B
The Pick: The last time anyone saw Casamayor look anywhere close to his formerly sharp form was in a June 2005 draw against Kid Diamond. That seems like longer ago than it was in the wake of his displays in the third Corrales bout, the dud against Santa Cruz, and even before that. His last bout may have been excused as the affects of rust after a long layoff if not for the accumulated evidence in the multiple fights prior. For Casamayor to triumph this weekend, he’ll need one of those turn back the clock moments that some of the great ones have.
Problem is, I’m not sure Casamayor was ever a great one. He was certainly very good but on most of his most important days he came up short. That is not to say he cannot win. There is much that is not known about Katsidis. On paper, he’s making a giant leap in quality of competition and question marks remain about his chin. Earl hurting him, including a second round knockdown that had him almost out on his feet, was a curious sign because Earl is no puncher. The mistakes he made against Earl, and the bludgeoning Amonsot, were overcome because the foes weren’t equal to the opportunities provided.
Even if his body is not equal, Casamayor still has the fighting mind to fake it. Casamayor could prove Katsidis just another exciting puncher who gives better than he takes.
I don’t think that will be the case. Many a fighter has been hurt on the way up against a man who shouldn’t be able to hurt them but does anyways. It happens because the piss and vinegar of inexperience sometimes overcomes the innate truth that the right punch can always hurt. Given a choice, inexperience accompanied by advantages in youth and strength are preferable to experience accompanied by a body that’s seen better days.
This bout is unlikely to live up to either bout featuring the brothers Marquez, or even the hectic twelve of Naito-Wonjongkam IV, but like Haye-Maccarinelli it should give us one hell of a knockout. Whether he overwhelms him early, or survives some schooling moments from the learned Casamayor first, look for Katsidis to emerge as Boxing’s next action hero, and new World Lightweight champion, this Saturday night on HBO’s Boxing After Dark.
So 5 ko/tko's out of his last 6 fights against Ranee Ganoy (TKO 5/12), Giullermo Mosquera (TKO 1/8, Nonoy Gonzales (TKO 5/10), Jikkirt Suwunnalirt (KO 2/8, Graham Earl ( RTD 5/12) and Czar Amonsot (UD 12/12) means nothing? Kats is favourite and for good reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
That opposition is substandard. Casamayor is faded, but he's still a street better than that crowd. Kat will get exposed big time. He won't hear the final bell.Quote:
Originally Posted by bikerskSo 5 ko/tko's out of his last 6 fights against Ranee Ganoy (TKO 5/12), Giullermo Mosquera (TKO 1/8, Nonoy Gonzales (TKO 5/10), Jikkirt Suwunnalirt (KO 2/8, Graham Earl ( RTD 5/12) and Czar Amonsot (UD 12/12) means nothing? Kats is favourite and for good reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Can you tell my confidence levels go up in direct proportion with the amount I good Friday ales I consume. Don't worry Katsidis fans, my last drunken prediciotn was that Tszyu would take Hatton to school...
Nate Campbell was 23-0(21) before Casamayor dealt him his first loss. A lot has happened since that fight five years ago, but Katsidis 23-0(20) might have the same fate and get outboxed. But, like Campbell, he can rebound if he does lose to Casa. It all depends on what Casamayor shows up. Casa has been down this road many times before. Katsidis hasnt and that may be the deciding factor.
I'm taking Katsidis on points. Nobody has ever stopped Casamayor before. And neither will Katsidis
Well, I got the money but it sure wasn't as one sided as I expected it to be. Katsidis did himself and his country proud tonight.
Casamayor has slipped. Five years ago, I don't think Casamayor lets Kat out of the first three rounds, let alone get dragged into the beating he was taking in the middle rounds.
Truth be told, I think Casa got lucky tonight - if Kat had been a little more composed and not tried to decapitate Casa at the start of the tenth I think he wins the decision. Casa was very dirty in spots too - lots of head work and low blows, the point deduction was perfectly warranted. Katsidis is relentless and I've never seen Casamayor look that shook up against anyone.
Great fight.
Casamayor is always dirty. There's no denying that. But Katsidis did his share of fouling too. But still Casamayor winning is all that matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greig
Agreed, you were in the same position as me today mate. Wanted katsidis to win but put money on casa. I think casa is there for the taking now, i reckon a rematch between katsidis and casa would be a good fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greig
For sure Snake, I think Katsidis can win a rematch. Casa is only going to get older and slower. Kat made a great adjustment after the first round in keeping that right glove of his close to his chin. I'm just curious as to why he came out so gung ho in the tenth - he was, as we say down under, as open as a dunny door.Quote:
Originally Posted by snakeyAgreed, you were in the same position as me today mate. Wanted katsidis to win but put money on casa. I think casa is there for the taking now, i reckon a rematch between katsidis and casa would be a good fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greig
Still I got Casa at 2.50 on Ladbrokes and at 2.80 (:o) on TAB sportsbet. Not like the TAB to be generous but they were obviously taking bulk cash on Kat early in the week and that blew Casamayor out a bit.
I'm only to happy to take some of that;D
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greig
Truth be told thats Kat's style, if he didnt do that he wouldnt be Katsidis, so luck had nothing to do with it. Kat did what he always does and Casamayor caught him. It was no luck, it was Casa's style countering Kat's.
So how come Casa's style did such a shit job of countering Katsidis style in rounds 3-9?Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyQuote:
Originally Posted by Greig
Truth be told thats Kat's style, if he didnt do that he wouldnt be Katsidis, so luck had nothing to do with it. Kat did what he always does and Casamayor caught him. It was no luck, it was Casa's style countering Kat's.
And tell me, who would you back in a rematch?
Katsidis only won the 4th and 6th rounds. And I'll back Casamayor in a rematch. But there no point in a rematch. Katsidis brings nothing to the table any moreQuote:
Originally Posted by GreigSo how come Casa's style did such a shit job of countering Katsidis style in rounds 3-9?Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyQuote:
Originally Posted by Greig
Truth be told thats Kat's style, if he didnt do that he wouldnt be Katsidis, so luck had nothing to do with it. Kat did what he always does and Casamayor caught him. It was no luck, it was Casa's style countering Kat's.
And tell me, who would you back in a rematch?
If you read a previous post of mine i even picked the round Joel would win .
Casa had been timing him with left hands all night and it was Katsidis' own style that came back to haunt him, Casa's style is that of a counter puncher.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreigSo how come Casa's style did such a shit job of countering Katsidis style in rounds 3-9?Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyQuote:
Originally Posted by Greig
Truth be told thats Kat's style, if he didnt do that he wouldnt be Katsidis, so luck had nothing to do with it. Kat did what he always does and Casamayor caught him. It was no luck, it was Casa's style countering Kat's.
And tell me, who would you back in a rematch?
And don't just bring up rounds 3-9 without mentioning the first 2 where Casamayor was doing exactly that with his left. It was Katsidis' style and asking him not to be wreckless is asking him not to be Katsidis and I'd back Casamayor in a rematch.
Ok, we'll have to agree to disagree. I can't remember Casamayor landing many good punches in rounds 3-9. In fact, my impression was that in those rounds he was taking a bit of a beating.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyCasa had been timing him with left hands all night and it was Katsidis' own style that came back to haunt him, Casa's style is that of a counter puncher.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreigSo how come Casa's style did such a shit job of countering Katsidis style in rounds 3-9?Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
And tell me, who would you back in a rematch?
And don't just bring up rounds 3-9 without mentioning the first 2 where Casamayor was doing exactly that with his left. It was Katsidis' style and asking him not to be wreckless is asking him not to be Katsidis and I'd back Casamayor in a rematch.
I thought after the first couple of rounds, Katsidis made the good adjustment of keeping his right glove tighter to his chin which prevented Casa from landing the straight left. The punch that fucked Kat up was more of a left hook which eventuated because Kat came out very wild in the tenth, which he hadn't been doing for rounds 3-9. Katsidis was also clearly hurting Casa to the body.
So that is why I say I think Joel got a little lucky - and if they were to fight again I would certainly back Katsidis.