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How would you advise Woods to beat Tarver?
If you were in charge of Woods training camp and strategy for this fight, how would you approach it tactically given Tarvers strengths ?
Woods appears to be pumped up so he should have no problem getting motivated after their eventful press con. Tarver is going to be looking to let his left hand go and Clinton can be a slow starter so I'd make sure I sent Woods out with a high guard and not give Tarver many opportunuities to counter early on - just work behind a left hand and feints. Woods has to apply educated pressure to the old man to make him work at an uncomfortable pace as we know he tires late on but he should force Tarver to lead by feinting and countering his shots .
Tarver IMO will try to tie Woods up when they are up close so Woods has to be prepared to work in the clinches . Keep Tarver walking backwards and maintain a workrate which is where he went wrong vs Johnson . In the middle rounds Woods can start letting his shots go in twos and threes rather than single shots. I expect Traver to begin showing signs of fatigue by the 8th. Although Woods has never been a busy fighter, he needs to be here . Take the fight to Tarver, not give him time to breathe, dont allow him any room and dont accept clicnhes . Its likley to go 12 and the hometown fighter is likley to get the nod so Woods has to go for it late on . Mix em up to body and head, keep the arms moving and hopeful the Tarver demons he suffered vs Hopkins will come back to haunt him .
Your thoughts?
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Re: How would you advise Woods to beat Tarver?
Tight defence, don't be afrad to hit and hold early, drag him past round five or six and box your fight.
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Re: How would you advise Woods to beat Tarver?
Pressure Pressure Pressure, high tempo, a lot of combination making the old man work.
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I don't know.In recent fights Tarver is starting to show his age.If you recall his fight with Glen Johnson he throw alot of shoeshine punches to body.It seemed he just outpointed him like an amatuer.I never thought Tarver was a devastating puncher.That came on by the Jones K.O. and all of a sudden Tarver was a big puncher.I think Woods will be just fine in there and probably win convincingly.
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Re: How would you advise Woods to beat Tarver?
Movement..I am not saying run or try to be a dancing machine but get off a walk..throw jabs while doing so..
Show him no respect early by getting dirty...first clinch get off hard shots and push him away...Tarver has a very fragile psyche...he does not like to be bullied...if he thinks you have no respect for him he starts thinking you know something....
Don't let him establish his jab..Tarver really does not have all that much of an arsenol...he is a creature of habit so to speak...it was shown in the loss to johnson and the loss to Hopkins...When Tarver's best tools are not working out the way he wants he begins to get frustrated easily instead of staying the course...it goes with the fragile mindset....
Most of all do not underestimate him...when you start getting ahead and you start seeing him get frustrated do not think he is falling apart...and do not use the same tactic over and over again...EG- move a bit then furstrate him on the inside..the use counter shots then back to movement...
All in all he is not a hard fighter to beat...Tarver has been more of a fighter who was at the right place at the right time rather then dominate with skill....When you look at his record he has beaten his biggest names when they were long past their best (no even talking about Jones)...and up until the Harding rematch had not beaten a legit opponent soundly....
Also do not try for a KO...Tarver has a good chin...all in all frustration is the way to go...
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Re: How would you advise Woods to beat Tarver?
I think Clinton has a great chance of winning this, in fact I'd make him the favourite.
Woods always comes in shape and always gives 100%, Tarver has looked bad in recent outings.
Wood's workrate will be crucial. I expect Woods to win the early rounds, but Tarver will test him later on. I think round 6-10 will be the rough rounds for Woods as Tarver's power could be a factor.
I can't see Tarver sustaining 12 rounds at a fast pace though and if it's close going into the championship rounds I really think Woods will win those rounds and pull it off.
For me it's a Woods win unless Tarver can land something big and either knock him out or put him down a couple times.
If Woods stays on his feet he wins this imo.
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Re: How would you advise Woods to beat Tarver?
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Pressure Pressure Pressure, high tempo, a lot of combination making the old man work.
If Woods can outpoint Tarver early with a higher output, Tarver will struggle later, his endurance isn't that great right now. From what I've seen of Woods he's the exact opposite though. In a slow paced fight Tarver will get the better of it. Woods needs to pressure early then go into defense mode potshotting once the fight goes later rounds constantly moving.
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Re: How would you advise Woods to beat Tarver?
Slip a crackpipe in his room the night before the fight.
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Crowbar to the face. He could beat him by boxing him, but Tarver deserves it.
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Hope and pray Tarver gets DQ'ed. It's the only chance Woods has to win
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Bring a mirror so Tarver will be distracted looking at himself:p
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Smother him from the bell and get inside with tight defense turn it into and ugly fight inside and be first to land something of substance. If woods stuns him he needs to capitalize and not let him recover. I think if he smothers him and doesn't let him take a breather with good inside work rate and defense he can take this fight. If he stays outside there is less chance for him to win and more chance for him to get hit with something big.
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Slip a crackpipe in his room the night before the fight.
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Re: How would you advise Woods to beat Tarver?
If Tarver shows up with white crust around those big lips Woods knows he has it in the bag.
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Re: How would you advise Woods to beat Tarver?
It's simple: Just turn up on the night.
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If Tarver shows up with white crust around those big lips Woods knows he has it in the bag.
:lolhaha::lolhaha::lolhaha:
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Re: How would you advise Woods to beat Tarver?
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Hope and pray Tarver gets DQ'ed. It's the only chance Woods has to win
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Re: How would you advise Woods to beat Tarver?
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If you were in charge of Woods training camp and strategy for this fight, how would you approach it tactically given Tarvers strengths ?
Woods appears to be pumped up so he should have no problem getting motivated after their eventful press con. Tarver is going to be looking to let his left hand go and Clinton can be a slow starter so I'd make sure I sent Woods out with a high guard and not give Tarver many opportunuities to counter early on - just work behind a left hand and feints. Woods has to apply educated pressure to the old man to make him work at an uncomfortable pace as we know he tires late on but he should force Tarver to lead by feinting and countering his shots .
Tarver IMO will try to tie Woods up when they are up close so Woods has to be prepared to work in the clinches . Keep Tarver walking backwards and maintain a workrate which is where he went wrong vs Johnson . In the middle rounds Woods can start letting his shots go in twos and threes rather than single shots. I expect Traver to begin showing signs of fatigue by the 8th. Although Woods has never been a busy fighter, he needs to be here . Take the fight to Tarver, not give him time to breathe, dont allow him any room and dont accept clicnhes . Its likley to go 12 and the hometown fighter is likley to get the nod so Woods has to go for it late on . Mix em up to body and head, keep the arms moving and hopeful the Tarver demons he suffered vs Hopkins will come back to haunt him .
Your thoughts?
If i was advising Clinton Woods how to beat Taver , well its simple it would be BEAT HIM TO DEATH as he is an anoying jumped up fuckwit of a human being , a total boil on the butt of mankind.
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If Woods can outpoint Tarver early with a higher output, Tarver will struggle later, his endurance isn't that great right now. From what I've seen of Woods he's the exact opposite though. In a slow paced fight Tarver will get the better of it. Woods needs to pressure early then go into defense mode potshotting once the fight goes later rounds constantly moving.
No contest - Interesting I agree with most of it but dont you think the pressure from Woods should come late instead of early ? Tarver will be gassing out later and if Woods turens up the heat then , it could swing his way. I see what you mean about pot shotting but if Wods applies pressure early theres more chance of him tasting that left hand like Jones did. If Woods is careful early then puts on the pressure I think its better than walking onto counters while Tarver is fresh then backing off when Tarver is tired .
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GAME
If you were in charge of Woods training camp and strategy for this fight, how would you approach it tactically given Tarvers strengths ?
Woods appears to be pumped up so he should have no problem getting motivated after their eventful press con. Tarver is going to be looking to let his left hand go and Clinton can be a slow starter so I'd make sure I sent Woods out with a high guard and not give Tarver many opportunuities to counter early on - just work behind a left hand and feints. Woods has to apply educated pressure to the old man to make him work at an uncomfortable pace as we know he tires late on but he should force Tarver to lead by feinting and countering his shots .
Tarver IMO will try to tie Woods up when they are up close so Woods has to be prepared to work in the clinches . Keep Tarver walking backwards and maintain a workrate which is where he went wrong vs Johnson . In the middle rounds Woods can start letting his shots go in twos and threes rather than single shots. I expect Traver to begin showing signs of fatigue by the 8th. Although Woods has never been a busy fighter, he needs to be here . Take the fight to Tarver, not give him time to breathe, dont allow him any room and dont accept clicnhes . Its likley to go 12 and the hometown fighter is likley to get the nod so Woods has to go for it late on . Mix em up to body and head, keep the arms moving and hopeful the Tarver demons he suffered vs Hopkins will come back to haunt him .
Your thoughts?
just tell him to turn up fit.
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Since the great tarver says his style is so advanced that it is hard for judges appreciate use that against him, pressure and try and steal rounds. Do the b-hop stay competitive and safe for two minutes then let the hands go toward the end of the round. Also keep your hands up tarver doesn't always put his all into all his punches but it's hard to tell the difference, stick to the basics and don't anticipate too much.
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Hope and pray Tarver gets DQ'ed. It's the only chance Woods has to win
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Hope and pray Tarver gets DQ'ed. It's the only chance Woods has to win
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You want to take Woods?
Yea even though i don't think Woods is great by any means he is still a solid fighter, he has a lot of heart, and he is tough and keeps coming. If this was a few years ago then i would have picked Tarver without hesitation. But Tarver has looked garbage in his last few fights and to be honest he has looked like a shot fighter for quite a long time, so yes im picking Woods.
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Woods allegedly is a better fighter than he was when RJJ beat him. I hadn't seen him before that and I haven't seen him since. That being said, the Tarver formula is simple: pressure and negate the left hook. If Woods can make Tarver burn himself out he can beat him. Tarver beat Glenn Johnson (effectively) with pitty-pat shots and playing keepaway. Woods needs to step inside the reach of those long arms and make him work to get him off. Dig to Tarver's body frequently and the Magic Man will look more like Merlin as the fight goes on.
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If Woods can outpoint Tarver early with a higher output, Tarver will struggle later, his endurance isn't that great right now. From what I've seen of Woods he's the exact opposite though. In a slow paced fight Tarver will get the better of it. Woods needs to pressure early then go into defense mode potshotting once the fight goes later rounds constantly moving.
No contest - Interesting I agree with most of it but dont you think the pressure from Woods should come late instead of early ? Tarver will be gassing out later and if Woods turens up the heat then , it could swing his way. I see what you mean about pot shotting but if Wods applies pressure early theres more chance of him tasting that left hand like Jones did. If Woods is careful early then puts on the pressure I think its better than walking onto counters while Tarver is fresh then backing off when Tarver is tired .
The reasoning is that Tarver doesn't overdo it early, he paces himself early so to tire him out you gotta get him to up his workrate to keep up on the scorecard, and if Woods can win some early rounds that way Tarver may open up more to compensate. If he can be up going into the late rounds then start the potshotting.
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You want to take Woods?
Yea even though i don't think Woods is great by any means he is still a solid fighter, he has a lot of heart, and he is tough and keeps coming. If this was a few years ago then i would have picked Tarver without hesitation. But Tarver has looked garbage in his last few fights and to be honest he has looked like a shot fighter for quite a long time, so yes im picking Woods.
Alright than. Your on. What are the terms?
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You want to take Woods?
Yea even though i don't think Woods is great by any means he is still a solid fighter, he has a lot of heart, and he is tough and keeps coming. If this was a few years ago then i would have picked Tarver without hesitation. But Tarver has looked garbage in his last few fights and to be honest he has looked like a shot fighter for quite a long time, so yes im picking Woods.
Alright than. Your on. What are the terms?
We will have a rep bet you can decide how much.
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Clinton Woods will have to have a high tight guard during the early rounds of the fight and watch out for Tavers left hand,in doing soo,Woods should slip the left hand of Tarver and fire back the old 1-2s to his cranium and maybe follow up with a left-hook to the body.Im a big fan of Clinton Woods and a feel that with every fight he has fought he has got better in his ability to dominate and win a fight clearly.He fights great on the counter by throwing the old 1-2s.I think he'll take Taver down in between round 7-10.:lickish:
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Yea even though i don't think Woods is great by any means he is still a solid fighter, he has a lot of heart, and he is tough and keeps coming. If this was a few years ago then i would have picked Tarver without hesitation. But Tarver has looked garbage in his last few fights and to be honest he has looked like a shot fighter for quite a long time, so yes im picking Woods.
Alright than. Your on. What are the terms?
We will have a rep bet you can decide how much.
Just quoting this so VD can see this.
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Violent Demise
Alright than. Your on. What are the terms?
We will have a rep bet you can decide how much.
Just quoting this so VD can see this.
I got no problem with that. I know if you lose, you'll keep your word. You ain't no coward. And lets do 200 reps. That okay with you?
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VD we have a CONFIRMED sig remmeber ??
You ain't getting out of that :rolleyes:
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We will have a rep bet you can decide how much.
Just quoting this so VD can see this.
I got no problem with that. I know if you lose, you'll keep your word. You ain't no coward. And lets do 200 reps. That okay with you?
Fine with me.
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Re: How would you advise Woods to beat Tarver?
He did the exact opposite of what I thought he should do, and lost pretty handily....too cautious. He's a great guy though, real stand-up type of guy, was real humble afterwards. I bet he's kicking himself for not pressing it early, by the time he started to gain momentum the fight was in the 10th, and Tarver cruised just laying back.
