Is a load of crap.....that is all
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Is a load of crap.....that is all
So we're all in agreement? Great, bravo Saddonians for not being brainwashed by Al Gore ;D
Man made global warming is true. Global warming is occuring because of the industrial plants, smoke exhaust from any gasoline/chemical powered motor, illegal logging, etc..
And you believe this because...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Don't respond to him Saddonians, you cannot win a political debate with Lyle, it's impossible! He'll drag you into deep water and drown you.
If you want to argue your point be prepared to argue for at least 30 pages.:(
I'm sure Lyle is well prepared for this. I could picture him now with 370 pages of documents (anti-Gore).Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Hey Lyle, what are your opinions on drilling oil in Alaska? ;D
Ok...why not:(
Lyle, I suspect you know that you're wrong and just waiting for someone to take the bait, here goes.
Global warming is America's fault.
haha no doubt, he's probably sitting there with reams of scientific research, flow charts, graphs and a couple almanac's to hit whoever responds to him withQuote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftI'm sure Lyle is well prepared for this. I could picture him now with 370 pages of documents anti-Gore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Hey Lyle, what are your opinions of drilling oil in Alaska? ;D
OK, Lyle reading scientific research. And looking at flow charts and graphs. That's the funniest thing I've read for some time now. That's got to be post of at least the week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbohaha no doubt, he's probably sitting there with reams of scientific research, flow charts, graphs and a couple almanac's to hit whoever responds to him withQuote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftI'm sure Lyle is well prepared for this. I could picture him now with 370 pages of documents anti-Gore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Hey Lyle, what are your opinions of drilling oil in Alaska? ;D
The qualifier MAN MADE should really help you figure this out.
Has the Earth's climate ever truly been stable? We've had Ice Ages and oppressive heat and ice ages and oppressive heat etc etc etc...dinosaurs didn't have cars there was an Ice Age after them and then it subsided and why? Why would an Ice Age just stop all of a sudden?
Sure pollution is bad and sure we should look after our Earth
HOWEVER
Orbital forcing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Oh my God!!!! There's a NON-MAN MADE REASON BEHIND THIS AFTER ALL!!!!
All you guys are fucking sheep just being led around by Al Gore who wants to be President of Earth because he feels slighted because he LOST the 2000 Presidential Election....whatver you believe about the votes and Florida the key factor to Al Gore becoming a tree hugging crazy man was that he didn't win the Presidency.
Orbital Forcing.....learn it, live it, love it....I'm going to buy an SUV now and just leave it outside with the engine idling ;D
I don't know about you, but I want my great great grandkids to enjoy the outdoor without wearing gas masks and chemical suits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Hey big guy I said pollution is bad and I care about the planet and the outdoors.
I just don't think Global Warming or Climate Change is man made....it's fucking ridiculous. If humans had never made fire or built buildings or driven cars or anything that pollutes then the climate would still change it ALWAYS has and it ALWAYS will.
The Earth is an ever changing place and life is sometimes harsh and violent but there has almost ALWAYS been life on Earth. All you guys forget about evolution when this global warming talk comes up WHY? Didn't we evolve???
What does evolution have to do with man-made global warming?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
No, we were all created in 7 days some 5,413 years ago by God.
That means global warming is God's doing.
:p
Well if evolution is a natural positive thing that has always and will always happen on Earth, then who the fuck are we to stop what would eventually cause evolution???Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
AND if humans evolved FROM something then couldn't we rationally go to the idea that humans could evolve INTO something???
The climate has changed many MANY times before anyone ever dreamed up pollution.
All of you have been brainwashed, go and pay your TV taxes and drive your hybrids and worry about the ice caps and glaciers.....Climate change would happen even if humans weren't here and that's my point.
What?!Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleWell if evolution is a natural positive thing that has always and will always happen on Earth, then who the fuck are we to stop what would eventually cause evolution???Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
AND if humans evolved FROM something then couldn't we rationally go to the idea that humans could evolve INTO something???
The climate has changed many MANY times before anyone ever dreamed up pollution.
All of you have been brainwashed, go and pay your TV taxes and drive your hybrids and worry about the ice caps and glaciers.....Climate change would happen even if humans weren't here and that's my point.
Ok my friend. I'll just let you be with your beliefs. Sadly, I have to disagree with you on this one.
Well Pac, I am saying if humans didn't exist at all and therefore there would be no pollution or overload of CO2/ greenhouse gasses or whatever....Climate change would still occur and it is historically proven so.
So Pac, I question you again, man made global warming????
It's a load of shit....sure we should look after our evironment and be responsible in our everyday lives HOWEVER when the climate changes anyway just don't forget, I TOLD YOU SO
Obviously not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Thanks Andre, maybe everyone needs another refill of the Al Gore KOOL AIDQuote:
Originally Posted by Andre
Its all a play on words.climate change ,global warming,pollutants.
take your pick they do overlap and they do have to be addressed its like saying I fucked you, you caught crabs but its your fault you picked me up and you rode me,so Im off to buy a bigger dick.
I heard there was a situation in maybe Mexico city where there was a few days of no pollution for some reason i FORGET WHY ,BUT THEY RACED DOWN THERE AND MEASUured the whatever they do and found that the radiation was extemly dangerous and the thought occured that we have balanced things out we HAve deleted the ozone layer with carbo fluro whatevers and that allows streams of radiation to kill off our reefs and damage our skin into cancers etc etc ,but we are protected to a great degree by our own pollutants!
And so without people, Mexico would cease being hot? and climate change would stop?
What does man-made global warming have to do with evolution?Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleWell if evolution is a natural positive thing that has always and will always happen on Earth, then who the fuck are we to stop what would eventually cause evolution???Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
AND if humans evolved FROM something then couldn't we rationally go to the idea that humans could evolve INTO something???
The climate has changed many MANY times before anyone ever dreamed up pollution.
All of you have been brainwashed, go and pay your TV taxes and drive your hybrids and worry about the ice caps and glaciers.....Climate change would happen even if humans weren't here and that's my point.
I think its another play on words, planetary evolution is not the same as our own physical evolution and thats not the same as our mental or spiriutal evolution as a whole either, they just overlap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingWhat does man-made global warming have to do with evolution?Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleWell if evolution is a natural positive thing that has always and will always happen on Earth, then who the fuck are we to stop what would eventually cause evolution???Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
AND if humans evolved FROM something then couldn't we rationally go to the idea that humans could evolve INTO something???
The climate has changed many MANY times before anyone ever dreamed up pollution.
All of you have been brainwashed, go and pay your TV taxes and drive your hybrids and worry about the ice caps and glaciers.....Climate change would happen even if humans weren't here and that's my point.
I wouldnt think so bro , but you chose that statment for me, you tell me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I think if there we no more people; the climate would of course still evolve sperately and still changes would occur. MAybe in time Mexico may freeze over ???
These changes of course would not then effect our kids and their kids on this planet so theres no point to this side of that line of thought in regards to outcome and its effects on us.
I have a bridge I would like to sell you two
Even Bush's chief scientific climate advisor admits that there's man-made global warming. A recent study of 928 scientific papers by climate scientists -- crucially, Lyle, people who know what they're talking about -- found that every one of them agreed that there's man-made global warming.
"You think man can destroy the planet? What intoxicating vanity. Let me tell you about our planet. Earth is four-and-a-half-billion-years-old. There's been life on it for nearly that long, 3.8 billion years. Bacteria first; later the first multicellular life, then the first complex creatures in the sea, on the land. Then finally the great sweeping ages of animals, the amphibians, the dinosaurs, at last the mammals, each one enduring millions on millions of years, great dynasties of creatures rising, flourishing, dying away -- all this against a background of continuous and violent upheaval. Mountain ranges thrust up, eroded away, cometary impacts, volcano eruptions, oceans rising and falling, whole continents moving, an endless, constant, violent change, colliding, buckling to make mountains over millions of years. Earth has survived everything in its time. It will certainly survive us. If all the nuclear weapons in the world went off at once and all the plants, all the animals died and the earth was sizzling hot for a hundred thousand years, life would survive, somewhere: under the soil, frozen in Arctic ice. Sooner or later, when the planet was no longer inhospitable, life would spread again. The evolutionary process would begin again. It might take a few billion years for life to regain its present variety. Of course, it would be very different from what it is now, but the earth would survive our folly, only we would not. If the ozone layer gets thinner, ultraviolet radiation sears the earth, so what? Ultraviolet radiation is good for life. It's powerful energy. It promotes mutation, change. Many forms of life will thrive with more UV radiation. Many others will die out. Do you think this is the first time that's happened? Think about oxygen. Necessary for life now, but oxygen is actually a metabolic poison, a corrosive gas, like fluorine. When oxygen was first produced as a waste product by certain plant cells some three billion years ago, it created a crisis for all other life on earth. Those plants were polluting the environment, exhaling a lethal gas. Earth eventually had an atmosphere incompatible with life. Nevertheless, life on earth took care of itself. In the thinking of the human being a hundred years is a long time. A hundred years ago we didn't have cars, airplanes, computers or vaccines. It was a whole different world, but to the earth, a hundred years is nothing. A million years is nothing. This planet lives and breathes on a much vaster scale. We can't imagine its slow and powerful rhythms, and we haven't got the humility to try. We've been residents here for the blink of an eye. If we're gone tomorrow, the earth will not miss us."
- Michael Crichton
Well probably an extra couple thousand years but apart from that spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by X
It's all in Revelations, the sun being given power to scorch the earth, earthquakes and natural disasters multiplying, the beginnings of the birth pains.
Then we'll see great plagues, people dying from the sun in their millions, all the fish in the sea dying and rising to the surface and then something out of the skies will hit the earth and cover it in dusty darkness, whilst all the leaders of the world hide themselves under ground.
The one world order and the micro chips will get inserted just before this so you'll have at least one major warning. :)
Michael Crichton, pronounced /ˈkraɪtən/ [1], (born October 23, 1942) is an American author, film producer, film director and television producer best known for his techno-thriller novels, films and television programs.
I agree whole heartedly with the above.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I dont get your point that you choose one side or the other to the degree that you can't or wont see that all these issues all over lap and do have effects on us as an organisim here on Earth.
Whats your point other than we can change words around into sentences that can support one side or the other so that your consiouss feels cleaner by concentrating on only one section and by forming an idea that it is then right ,automatically makes the rest of the equasion wrong?
That is one eyed thinking.
Try looking at it as a whole from the middle and out of both eyes using both hemishpheres one analyitical and seeking truth by seeing that reefs are dying off due to ozone depletion, then feeling the truth that this will have effects right through the food chains and into us .
Each side of everything supports each side of everything else including the other side of every issue.
There are truths and falsness on both sides of this particular fence ,take the fence down and see it out of both eyes for once.
P.S. keep your bridge, its single laned.:p
Are there any factual flaws in the statement?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
You tell me.Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleAre there any factual flaws in the statement?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Fucking word ping pong.. get out of the way...:mad:
"Of course not at the moment ; there are variables in there !!!
I asked you...so go ahead
Boys this is all about buying time for us here on Earth ..."quality time"
not just about "changes" and if they can or cannot actually occur through us.
Personally I dont care if the balance on Earth becomes unbalanced and forces change.
Or whether we as one try to bend it around to suit us a bit better for all our future comfort.
Things are definatley speeding up on all accounts both natural and forced.
If you fear change and argue for us all remaining the same and fuck the consequencies; guess what : CHANGE is comming anyway.
Both sides are right cant you see that?
Andre, man is not meant to control the Earth and man is not meant to decide what is right for the Earth as far as climate goes. Sure we can clean up and recycle and all that stuff but Life on Earth cannot and will not be controlled.....climate changes are coming and they aren't man made they are cyclical and unstoppable.
Man will have to adapt to Earth (no matter what the climate) and not Earth adapt to man....that is how evolution works
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Originally Posted by Lyle
I agree again.
But your first comment on the opening of this thread i dont agree with 100%.
Only 50%.
Truth is if we removed ourselves from here; in the physical mess /mental state/spiritually diminshing/ group that we are, paradise would be alot closer in every realm from the physical ,upwards and all the way back down again.
But if we chose to align ourselves in every way possible we could achieve it faster than if it occured naturally because we have the power of balance and the domination over all our animal relatives at the moment and we decide by our actions which ones become extinct faster than nature alone does for the time being.
Which will change.
The climate has changed numerous times and varied between oppresive heat and rstrictive cold yes...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
However, the earth's protective membrane has never been damaged by any natural cause.
We have triggered this climate change...In fact I should say alteration as change implies it may not be permanent.
last week in England we had almost summer time weather in a lot of the country... this week we've had sub zero temperatures and blizzards.
I'm obviously with Lyle though... despite observing the changes in English weather and the wealth of scientific fact available.
Ditto.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Yesterday it was snowing, today, its sunny and warm....oh wait it's actually raining now.