Now...Who are the most boxers feared of all time.

I would go for heavy weights I would have to go with three. Ali is my first pick. The man could control you even with his back agianst the ropes. He had cast iron chin and had good power. Mike Tyson of the 1980's. Tyson came to the ring robeless ready to fight and destroyed almost everyone he touched for a five year period. Ernie Shavers. The hardest hitting heavy weight of all time. Tex Cobb said "Ernie will hit you so hard he could hit you in the neck and break your ankle"Ali said"Ernie hit me so hard he shook my kin folk back in Africa.

I also would say Hagler because of all of his intangibles. He could hit and he hit and he could box. Cotto will go down is this category as well as Pavlik. I think Hearns was a good one with his one punch power. Ray Mancini I don't need to mention why I think everyone knows.Jake La Matta with his solid chin and never quit attitude. I could keep going with the Sugar Ray Robinsons and the Harry Grebs but I don't want to bore you.

Archie Moore - most knockouts of any boxer - 145 KO's,ect,ect ,ect

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Archie Moore - most knockouts of any boxer - 145 KO's,ect,ect ,ect

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Marciano kick his ass though. Dropped him five times.

Regardless of how his career ended or is planning a come back...during his prime Mike Tyson was feared. The boxers that went in the ring with him that pop on the top of my head is Bruce Seldon and Michael Spinks. I don't remember other boxers being as intimidated. I would have to look at Tyson's resume to remember others that were peeing their pants as soon as they saw Iron Mike to his eyes right before the fight.

George Foreman
Earnie Shavers
Mike Tyson
Marvin Hagler
Tommy Hearns (especially after the Duran fight...WOW! #1 He lifted Duran off the canvas with an uppercut and #2 that KO sounded like a damn shotgun blast)

I can't recall his name, but the guy nobody, including Ray Robinson would fight.

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George Foreman
Earnie Shavers
Mike Tyson
Marvin Hagler
Tommy Hearns (especially after the Duran fight...WOW! #1 He lifted Duran off the canvas with an uppercut and #2 that KO sounded like a damn shotgun blast)

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George Foreman is a good pick. He must have scared the shit outta everyone with that destruction of Frazier.

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I would go for heavy weights I would have to go with three. Ali is my first pick. The man could control you even with his back agianst the ropes. He had cast iron chin and had good power. Mike Tyson of the 1980's. Tyson came to the ring robeless ready to fight and destroyed almost everyone he touched for a five year period. Ernie Shavers. The hardest hitting heavy weight of all time. Tex Cobb said "Ernie will hit you so hard he could hit you in the neck and break your ankle"Ali said"Ernie hit me so hard he shook my kin folk back in Africa.

I also would say Hagler because of all of his intangibles. He could hit and he hit and he could box. Cotto will go down is this category as well as Pavlik. I think Hearns was a good one with his one punch power. Ray Mancini I don't need to mention why I think everyone knows.Jake La Matta with his solid chin and never quit attitude. I could keep going with the Sugar Ray Robinsons and the Harry Grebs but I don't want to bore you.

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You said most feared...Ali was really not feared... every top HW was in line begging to fight him...Foreman was feared...Ali was great and his opponents knew what they were getting into but but there is a difference....

As far as HWTS go Feared was..

Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey, Sonny Liston, Foreman, Tyson...

Even Marciano as tough as he was and as many guys as he put on the canvas was not feared...Guys I mentioned above are guys even for the chance at a world title many thought twice...

Other fighters throughout the years were

Duran especially at LW, Hearns, Pryor, LaMotta, James Toney,
Jones, Hagler, to name a few of the more known names that were greatly feared in their primes

I can't really talk about the likes of Moore and Foreman, as they were at their peaks way before I got into boxing. I think that you can only appreciate how a fighter was feared if you were a boxing fan during their primes. For me, Tyson is the most feared I've seen. He electrified the heavyweight division with a mixture of power, skill and, just as importantly, intimidation. Sometimes he had won the fight without throwing a punch. You can see how much fear played a part in Tyson's career if you consider what he was like after Douglas and, more importantly, Holyfield beat him. Some people will mention psychological problems, a poor attitude towards training and his stint in prison to explain Tyson's fall, but I think losing the ability to intimidate his opponents took a hell of a lot away from him.

Allow me to help you out


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kvBmlucg_8


There is all of that to look at but also realize this, George Foreman had been boxing only for 1 year when he won GOLD in Mexico City....Mike Tyson had been boxing since he was like 12 and he didn't even get to the Olympics! And for a POWER PUNCHER to win Gold at the Olympics is a feat in itself.

But look at him, HUGE menacing, bad attitude when he was young....he would have psychologically destroyed Mike Tyson and then physically destroyed him at any point in his career

Thanks for the film - I must get one of those grills. Foreman does seem really impressive, but that is the point, he 'seems'. There is little sense of the fear that he instilled because it is history and, unfortunately, I will never experience the atmosphere that he created around himself. As for Foreman destroying Tyson, if Foreman fought like he does in the film Tyson would kill him. His hands are too low, and he is way too wild. People forget that Tyson was decent defensively, so I think he would cover up and hit Foreman with sharp counters. In terms of physical size, yes Foreman was impressive, but that's where Tyson can also be lauded. In his prime he weighed less than most of his opponents, and still dealt with them. Foreman v Tyson - I would lean towards Tyson, but I think that's just a generation thing. Nobody really knows, but it I'm sure it would have been an incredible fight. Once again, thanks for the film.

I found Pryor had an insane look. His opponents must have been freaking.

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Allow me to help you out


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kvBmlucg_8


There is all of that to look at but also realize this, George Foreman had been boxing only for 1 year when he won GOLD in Mexico City....Mike Tyson had been boxing since he was like 12 and he didn't even get to the Olympics! And for a POWER PUNCHER to win Gold at the Olympics is a feat in itself.

But look at him, HUGE menacing, bad attitude when he was young....he would have psychologically destroyed Mike Tyson and then physically destroyed him at any point in his career

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Agreed...George was an awesome sight to see in his prime...I kow awsome sounds a bit corny but there is really nothing else you can call him...a horrific puncher that made people in attendance turn their head at times involuntarily....His attitude was just as bad or even worse then Tysons...He would have beaten Tyson at the first staredown then like Lyle said again in the ring....

Well let's refresh ourselves on the history of what a bad ass George Foreman was and still is.


Ali was unbeatable, Joe Frazier outworked him and beat him so therefore Frazier the undefeated undisputed Heavyweight Champion of the world and being so FRAZIER was now unbeatable but Joe was nice infront of the cameras, he smiled, he was pleasant he was a good guy.

George Foreman came up as a sparring partner for Sonny Liston. Foreman learned everything from him, menace, how to punch super hard, and attitude. Foreman rolled through the division, fought the "Unbeatable" Frazier and DEMOLISHED him...Frazier got the crap beat out of him in 2 rounds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpEuGaRp9l8


That's the Joe Frazier that beat Muhamed Ali and let me tell you he was a much better fighter than Mike Tyson. Anytime Tyson met another bully or someone who would stand up to him Tyson lost!

And Foreman went the distance with Holyfield and damn near beat him....he hit him harder than Tyson ever did!

How do you know? I think that you are underestimating Tyson a little, and don't forget, we're talking about the most feared fighter, not the best. Think about what Tyson did to Spinks (admittedly past it but super experienced). Can you show me anyone of that experience that Foreman intimidated as much?

Mike Tyson beat a CRUISERWEIGHT


I am real about Tyson....he beat NO great fighters. If Frank Bruno can rock Tyson then George could knock him out easily.


I think you underestimate Big George...yeah there are a number of guys that George intimidated. Frazier wasn't one of them as he was willing to die in the ring. Ken Norton (who beat Ali), George Chuvalo, Gerry Cooney, Michael Moorer.

Hell Evander Holyfield complained about how hard Foreman hit, what has he said about Tyson? He said Foreman's jab was like being hit with a telephone pole and Foreman hit him so hard it made Evander's teeth rattle.

Foreman was a bigger, badder, meaner, STRONGER version of Mike Tyson. Look what Sonny Liston did to Floyd Patterson....similar style match up and that's the way I would see it happening. PLUS George could take a punch too AND he could get up off the canvas and win by KO. He got nailed by Ron Lyle and then the next thing you know Ron Lyle is TOAST

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How do you know? I think that you are underestimating Tyson a little, and don't forget, we're talking about the most feared fighter, not the best. Think about what Tyson did to Spinks (admittedly past it but super experienced). Can you show me anyone of that experience that Foreman intimidated as much?

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Ken Norton?

George Foreman would eat Tyson's soul and crap it out all before the fight ever started

Liston/Patterson Foreman/Tyson a similar style match-up? Tyson may have adopted Patterson's defensive style, but that in no way makes him similar in terms of overall style. Did Patterson attack as relentlessly as Tyson? Did he punch anywhere near as hard? Was he anywhere near as aggressive?

I think fo rme the most feared fighter was Marvin Hagler , here are the reasons why.

1. The best chin for me in history.
2. Adaptable style , could box slugger eg. Roldan. Slug with boxers eg. Hearns.
3. Good Power .
4. Could fight for 15 rounds at a good pace .
5. He look such a mean mutha , with a great stare , must have really put the fighteners up his oponants.

The main point i like about Marvin , is although he was regarded as a mean - hardman of a fighter , he never talked trash like a James Toney for example.
TOP GUY , GREAT FIGHTER , AND A REAL INTIMADATING GUY.

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How do you know? I think that you are underestimating Tyson a little, and don't forget, we're talking about the most feared fighter, not the best. Think about what Tyson did to Spinks (admittedly past it but super experienced). Can you show me anyone of that experience that Foreman intimidated as much?

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Well yes Tyson did intimidate Spinks , but Spinks beat an old Larry Holmes ( well thats a matter of opinion ) he was always going to loose to the first big punching heavy he fought.
I remember at the time RING magazine were really believing that Spinks had a chance , in fact they made Spinks the slight favorite , which is a very clouded view.

Larry Holmes summed it up when asked before the fight :

" Spinks Jinx , there's nothing to it , and the whole world knows he wont do it. He'll run around the ring for a few rounds , then Mike Tyson will run him down ".

Larry knew Spinks had nothing to keep Tyson off , in fact Spinks knew he had no chance , hence the fear.

Of course Tyson intimidated many fighters , this is just my theory on the TYSON V SPINKS fight.

I think there's a difference between the most FEARED and the most AVOIDED ..........

Some people who I think were seriously feared by their opponents:

Joe Louis
Sonny Liston
Mike Tyson
Roberto Duran
John L Sullivan
Stanley Ketchell
Harry Greb

Some others who were seriously AVOIDED:

Jersey Joe Walcott
Marvin Hagler
Cleveland Williams
Sam Langford
Harry Wills
Charley Burley
Jack Blackburn

Hearns was frightening against Andries and Roldan too.

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I would go for heavy weights I would have to go with three. Ali is my first pick. The man could control you even with his back agianst the ropes. He had cast iron chin and had good power. Mike Tyson of the 1980's. Tyson came to the ring robeless ready to fight and destroyed almost everyone he touched for a five year period. Ernie Shavers. The hardest hitting heavy weight of all time. Tex Cobb said "Ernie will hit you so hard he could hit you in the neck and break your ankle"Ali said"Ernie hit me so hard he shook my kin folk back in Africa.

I also would say Hagler because of all of his intangibles. He could hit and he hit and he could box. Cotto will go down is this category as well as Pavlik. I think Hearns was a good one with his one punch power. Ray Mancini I don't need to mention why I think everyone knows.Jake La Matta with his solid chin and never quit attitude. I could keep going with the Sugar Ray Robinsons and the Harry Grebs but I don't want to bore you.

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George Foreman
Marvin Hagler
Mike Tyson
Max Baer
Jake Lamotta
Roberto Duran
Aaron Pryor

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How do you know? I think that you are underestimating Tyson a little, and don't forget, we're talking about the most feared fighter, not the best. Think about what Tyson did to Spinks (admittedly past it but super experienced). Can you show me anyone of that experience that Foreman intimidated as much?

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Well yes Tyson did intimidate Spinks , but Spinks beat an old Larry Holmes ( well thats a matter of opinion ) he was always going to loose to the first big punching heavy he fought.
I remember at the time RING magazine were really believing that Spinks had a chance , in fact they made Spinks the slight favorite , which is a very clouded view.

Larry Holmes summed it up when asked before the fight :

" Spinks Jinx , there's nothing to it , and the whole world knows he wont do it. He'll run around the ring for a few rounds , then Mike Tyson will run him down ".

Larry knew Spinks had nothing to keep Tyson off , in fact Spinks knew he had no chance , hence the fear.

Of course Tyson intimidated many fighters , this is just my theory on the TYSON V SPINKS fight.

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Holmes whooped Spinks ass in the rematch, theres no way on earth Spinks deserved that decision. I had it 9-6 in favor of Holmes, in fact Spinks didn't even do enough in the first meeting to take Holmes title. Carl Williams and Tim Witherspoon done better against Holmes than Spinks ever did.

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How do you know? I think that you are underestimating Tyson a little, and don't forget, we're talking about the most feared fighter, not the best. Think about what Tyson did to Spinks (admittedly past it but super experienced). Can you show me anyone of that experience that Foreman intimidated as much?

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Foreman was feared in the greastest era of HW boxing that alone says enough

Tyson had far more skill than Foreman and he would hit him and not be hit with ease, Foreman thre wide punches, also he had better stamina so would have lasted if the fight went into the latter rounds.

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Tyson had far more skill than Foreman and he would hit him and not be hit with ease, Foreman thre wide punches, also he had better stamina so would have lasted if the fight went into the latter rounds.

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Tyson had better skill than Frank Bruno and Bruno still rocked his ass....fights aren't won on skill alone.

George Foreman fought Joe Frazier and massacred him and Tyson would have faced the same huge bombs that were dropped on Frazier. Old Foreman would have whipped Tyson's ass too. George not only had a mental edge on Tyson, he fought using his physical features to his advantage.


We've got an entire thread dedicated to Foreman-Tyson and honestly I just don't see Tyson having the HEART or mental toughness to beat any top 10 All-Time Great Heavyweight.

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Hearns was frightening against Andries and Roldan too.

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I think what he did to Pipino Cuevas was scary as well

How did I know Lyle was going to respond to that, I have seen the thread we both have been on it. Remember Foreman did not last long as a champion, he never did have the consistency or mental strength. Frazier was a stone smaller, and did not have the defensive skills nor speed of Tyson. Foreman could take a punch but not for 12 rounds against Tyson. The Bruno fight, Tyson had been out of the ring the longest since he became champion, broke his hand, tried killing himself and other crap that was going on, and Bruno landed a punch, so did Bonecrusher and Tucker but so what he came back and won.

Well #1 Foreman had to defend his title vs ALI...Tyson would have lost to him too #2 76 wins 68 KO's while suffering 5 losses and only 1 by KO is consistent in my opinion. Tyson was consistent as well, ALL of Tyson's losses are by KO #3 Joe Frazier had head movement similar to Tyson's...Frazier moved more up and down (which Tyson did on occasion) and Tyson was more side to side but they were both there infront of everyone to be hit. Tyson wasn't so much of a defensive wizard as the guys he fought were afraid to throw punches because they would be countered. As for offense Tyson was very similar to Joe Frazier...add in an uppercut and an overhand right and Joe Frazier IS Mike Tyson. Joe's mental toughness was second to none which is also why him losing in 2 rounds to Foreman was amazing.

Foreman was still able to be champion at 45 years old after learning a new style and changing his whole personality....he was a totally different fighter in his second try at it....and that guy was smart enough to beat Tyson....the Prime Foreman was just tough enough to beat Tyson.

Say what you want master but George would of never lost to a fighter of the level of buster Douglas. And you talk about how long George was champ but in that time he had 10x the better wins then Tyson so whats that say about Tysons ever. Let me tell yuo it means it was a weak era and Tyson lucky he was in a weak era when he fought mostly bums.

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Tyson had far more skill than Foreman and he would hit him and not be hit with ease, Foreman thre wide punches, also he had better stamina so would have lasted if the fight went into the latter rounds.

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Tyson had better skill than Frank Bruno and Bruno still rocked his ass....fights aren't won on skill alone.

George Foreman fought Joe Frazier and massacred him and Tyson would have faced the same huge bombs that were dropped on Frazier. Old Foreman would have whipped Tyson's ass too. George not only had a mental edge on Tyson, he fought using his physical features to his advantage.


We've got an entire thread dedicated to Foreman-Tyson and honestly I just don't see Tyson having the HEART or mental toughness to beat any top 10 All-Time Great Heavyweight.

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Frazier and Tyson fought nothing alike(Frazier doesn't possess a fraction of the speed Tyson had, and Tyson didn't go to the body nearly as much as Frazier did). Foreman never went up against a fighter who possessed the tenacity in the early stages of a fight like Tyson, just as Tyson never faced a fighter with the power of Foreman. Neither one of these guys was invincible, but also neither one of them in their primes could be obliterated by anyone in less than 6 rounds, that just ain't happening. One of them would get stopped in about 9-12 rounds. Even the brutal beatings that Tyson did endure when he lost, it took his opponent over half of the fight to put him away. And Foreman essentially got caught rocked with a single shot from a fighter who is not even in the same ballpark powerwise as Mike. Prime for prime, stylistically, this would be a pick-em (I'd personally go with Foreman by KO in 10 or 11).

Cmon guys how can you forget The Great Mexican Boxer " SALVADOR SANCHES " , that was a boxer that in his time could been the most feared in his Div. by getting the World Title by KO to the other Great Boxer " Wilfredo The Bazooka Gomez "..........;D

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I can't recall his name, but the guy nobody, including Ray Robinson would fight.

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Charley Burley.

That brings up a good point. We're all quick to name off big named bombers like Tyson, Foreman, ect. But what about the guys who were so feared that they never became big names? Guys like Aaron Pryor and Charley Burley?

Taken from Charley's wikipedia...

Among the fighters who "ducked" Burley were Hall of Famers Billy Conn (who fought Joe Louis for the heavyweight title), Frenchman Marcel Cerdan (who was supposed to face Burley in his American debut), Jake LaMotta (who had fought the likes of powerpuncher Bob Satterfield, Sugar Ray Robinson, and Holman Williams, who was Burley's greatest rival), and even Sugar Ray Robinson, considered by many boxing historians as the best pound-for-pound fighter of all time.


Obviously we never know the full story, but if thats true, it he had a rugged iron chinned guy like Jake Lamotta ducking him, than goddamn he must have been a bad motherfucker.

Even with guys like Shavers and Foreman, sure they were feared but not too many of the top guys of the time ducked them. Both of their records are pretty much a "who's who" list of 70s Heavyweight boxing.

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I can't recall his name, but the guy nobody, including Ray Robinson would fight.

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Charley Burley.

That brings up a good point. We're all quick to name off big named bombers like Tyson, Foreman, ect. But what about the guys who were so feared that they never became big names? Guys like Aaron Pryor and Charley Burley?

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That's what I meant earlier - there is a difference between being feared and being avoided.

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Say what you want master but George would of never lost to a fighter of the level of buster Douglas. And you talk about how long George was champ but in that time he had 10x the better wins then Tyson so whats that say about Tysons ever. Let me tell yuo it means it was a weak era and Tyson lucky he was in a weak era when he fought mostly bums.

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Foreman lost to Tommy Morrison and the prime lost to Jimmy Young. Tyson at 45 could have ko'ed Moorer with his weak ass chin.

Have to give Lennox a shout. Would probably say avoided, at least for awhile. After beating Bowe at the Olympics, Bowe never would fight him, and we all remember the belt in the garbage can. Tyson definately stayed away, and Holyfield never fought him until there was noone left. And even Tua didn't go for broke after Lewis cracked him to the body early.

Shout to Pryor as most avoided.

As for feared, give Tyson a vote, and hell, Max Baer killed a couple of guys.

Say what you want about Moore but he still pulled a win over Holyfeild a guy that Tyson could not go 12 rounds with but a old Foreman could. Funny a man that way past his prime doing better then a much younger Tyson did and dont take my word for it ask Holyfeild. I am so sick of you saying Tyson could do this and that but he never did so what that tell you.