Why isn't Cotto calling out mayweather...

i'm starting to like Cotto, but what pisses me off is all this shit about how mayweather is said to be ducking Cotto, yet once again after a bit win you don't see him calling HIM out...

Yes yes i know the fan boys will come out with "it's not in Cotto's style" but thats bullshit, in this sport 9 times out of 10 nothing is handed to you, you have to get out there and freaking take it. Cotto could have and SHOULD have called out floyd right then.

Now don't mistake me in a way that i'm trying to say Cotto doesn;t realy want that fight, i honestly believe he would welcome it. But if he really, REALLY wants it he needs to start sounding like it, he isn't a fucking dog, so he needs to stop talking about his handlers take care of things!

Well see if COTTO calls out Floyd then Floyd holds the cards and can get all the money he wants, and the gloves he wants, and can get the ref he wants, and the venue he wants and the HUGE ring he wants


If FLOYD calls out Cotto then Miguel has SOME sway over what the hell is going to happen in making the fight happen.


It's all boxing politics....I figure Arum is telling him the same thing behind closed doors, he's not a TOTAL moron

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Originally Posted by Preme

i'm starting to like Cotto, but what pisses me off is all this shit about how mayweather is said to be ducking Cotto, yet once again after a bit win you don't see him calling HIM out...

Yes yes i know the fan boys will come out with "it's not in Cotto's style" but thats bullshit, in this sport 9 times out of 10 nothing is handed to you, you have to get out there and freaking take it. Cotto could have and SHOULD have called out floyd right then.

Now don't mistake me in a way that i'm trying to say Cotto doesn;t realy want that fight, i honestly believe he would welcome it. But if he really, REALLY wants it he needs to start sounding like it, he isn't a fucking dog, so he needs to stop talking about his handlers take care of things!

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Hey Preme , Cotto in the local journal in an interview he said , that he dont going waste more his time calling PBF , becuse he commented; " For what i going waste time calling a person that really dont want fight me , i going still looking foeward for fight with who want fight me with other big names and thats all "..........that was his expresion my friend and thats why he didnt call anyone........He doing right........;D
That its what going comes now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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cotto doesn't whore himself out there and beg for shyt plus he just does his job. Then goes back to training. he lets the business be handled by the business guys. all he does is his part. he knows people know a fight with floyd is a must. his smart enough to be calm and patient. Im sure arum and cotto know what they are doing.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Well see if COTTO calls out Floyd then Floyd holds the cards and can get all the money he wants, and the gloves he wants, and can get the ref he wants, and the venue he wants and the HUGE ring he wants


If FLOYD calls out Cotto then Miguel has SOME sway over what the hell is going to happen in making the fight happen.


It's all boxing politics....I figure Arum is telling him the same thing behind closed doors, he's not a TOTAL moron

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thats bullshit, Mayweather is the undipusted WW champion, he holds all the freaking cards. Everyone knows mayweather doesn't call anyone out, noone at the top of their game calls out people in their devision, they get called out.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Well see if COTTO calls out Floyd then Floyd holds the cards and can get all the money he wants, and the gloves he wants, and can get the ref he wants, and the venue he wants and the HUGE ring he wants


If FLOYD calls out Cotto then Miguel has SOME sway over what the hell is going to happen in making the fight happen.


It's all boxing politics....I figure Arum is telling him the same thing behind closed doors, he's not a TOTAL moron

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thats bullshit, Mayweather is the undipusted WW champion, he holds all the freaking cards. Everyone knows mayweather doesn't call anyone out, noone at the top of their game calls out people in their devision, they get called out.

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Sooo my friend why the hell you asking that Why Cotto isnt calling out PBF , he is the undisputed WW too my friend , who do you think is Mayweather bro?

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The fans, the public, the money, the freakin industry needs to call this fight out eventually, and Mayweather will have to listen..

I agree that if after every one of Cotto's destroyings, he got on that mic, pointed to the camera, and told Floyd he's coming for him to F him up, then it would probably help his cause for this fight...
But how many fighters actually do that.. Not many unless they probably already have talks in the works, and they want to start hyping it up.

I get what you're saying though Preme. Definetly... It may come to that eventually as well, if there is no one left, and Cotto needs to prove he is P4P number 1...

Mayweather is the coward and Cotto does want to fight Mayweather.

Sky Sports | Boxing | News | Floyd can wait - Cotto


"He runs from the really good boxers and chases other things. I don't know how people in boxing support him as being first in the pound-for-pound rankings."


LONG LIVE MIGUEL COTTO!! SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T DUCK.

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Originally Posted by Preme

thats bullshit, Mayweather is the undipusted WW champion, he holds all the freaking cards. Everyone knows mayweather doesn't call anyone out, noone at the top of their game calls out people in their devision, they get called out.

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It does depend on who is going after who....whether you like it or not the guy the crowd wants to see fight is COTTO and not Floyd and that paired with Floyd going after Cotto it means that Miguel Cotto can leverage all of his popularity and if he beats Margarito he'll have 2 belts at welterweight and that's even more leverage.

Miguel Cotto is at the top of his game he's beaten better competition at welterweight than Floyd has and he's KO'd a lot more guys than Floyd and he's won in more dominating fashion

What would be the point of calling out Floyd who already has a fight scheduled? And fights are not made based on who yells someone else's name, they are made by going out, fighting and earning a shot. Ask Margarito, he barked and barked but stayed in the doghouse and out of the ring and people don't demand fights based on talk they demand it after seeing a guy in the ring. Cotto, better then most anyone, let's his gloves do the talking and absolutely nobody should complain about that.

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Originally Posted by amat

What would be the point of calling out Floyd who already has a fight scheduled? And fights are not made based on who yells someone else's name, they are made by going out, fighting and earning a shot. Ask Margarito, he barked and barked but stayed in the doghouse and out of the ring and people don't demand fights based on talk they demand it after seeing a guy in the ring. Cotto, better then most anyone, let's his gloves do the talking and absolutely nobody should complain about that.

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Exactly. Cotto is calling Floyd out the old fashioned way, eliminating all the competition and wilkl eventually giv him nowhwere to hide.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Well see if COTTO calls out Floyd then Floyd holds the cards and can get all the money he wants, and the gloves he wants, and can get the ref he wants, and the venue he wants and the HUGE ring he wants


If FLOYD calls out Cotto then Miguel has SOME sway over what the hell is going to happen in making the fight happen.


It's all boxing politics....I figure Arum is telling him the same thing behind closed doors, he's not a TOTAL moron

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thats bullshit, Mayweather is the undipusted WW champion, he holds all the freaking cards. Everyone knows mayweather doesn't call anyone out, noone at the top of their game calls out people in their devision, they get called out.

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NewsFlash: floyd is no longer at the top of the ww division for all those who havent realized.

Cotto is the #1 guy.

We all know floyd craves attention and Cotto is not gonna be the one to give it to him. He'll just keep winning and building his own legacy. (a real legacy at that)

Everyone with even an ounce of common sense knows that floyd is not gonna take any chances so why waste time and effort trying to lure a guy into the ring that is too afraid.

You guys wanna argue that he needs to call him out or whatever but all you have to do is look at floyds history in regards to not taking fights he thinks are too tough. Margarito tried and wasted time in his career waiting for floyd to come out of his chicken suit and it never happened so Cotto is just gonna keep his own career on track and let his fight game do the talking.

Im a fan of both fighters i am a bigger fan of Mayweather's, but i pretty much agree with everyone else here. Cotto isn't wasting his time calling Mayweather out for a few reasons. 1 Mayweather isn't going to accept the fight at this time he has made that perfectly clear, and 2 Mayweather already has a fight scheduled so its a waste of time.

Like Amat already pointed out Margarito called out Mayweather constantly he even went up to Mayweather's face and demanded the fight but where did that get him ?? nowhere. So Cotto is doing the right thing eliminating every big name at Welterweight so he can force the fight to happen the good old fashioned way.

I have to say though that i am disappointed with some people on this forum, i think its way too early to say Mayweather is ducking anyone, and secondly everyone in 2006 was saying Mayweather was ducking Hatton, Oscar, and he needed to fight these guys to seal his legacy blah blah, but when he beats both of these fighters he then gets crap from fans saying that these wins don't mean nothing because ODLH is old and past his prime, even though they were saying before the fight that this was a big risk fight for Mayweather, and after Hatton beat Castillo i remember plenty of people here giving Hatton a chance against Mayweather. Then when Mayweather outclasses Hatton and KO's him impressively fans then say. Well it was at Welterweight so that win doesn't mean a whole lot, even though Hatton was top 10 P4P fighter.

I can understand people are frustrated with Mayweather but it seems no matter who he beats there always find an excuse to shit on his wins.

Floyd will eventually fight him when it makes the most financial sense for both of them. In the meantime Cotto will have to go through wars against guys like Margarito and so will be the worse for wear when they eventually do fight. It's too big a fight not to happen but both have their own reasons for hoovering up as much money as possible from other options before they do fight.

Cotto knows that mayweather wont fight him right now so it would be a waste of his time to call out mayweather. Cotto needs to just keep eliminating the other ww in the division and increase his own market value

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Floyd will eventually fight him when it makes the most financial sense for both of them. In the meantime Cotto will have to go through wars against guys like Margarito and so will be the worse for wear when they eventually do fight. It's too big a fight not to happen but both have their own reasons for hoovering up as much money as possible from other options before they do fight.

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I disagree. If you're going to look at PPV numbers PBF cant sell neither without boxing stars with a huge fan base (Oscar and Hatton). PBF sold 325k with Baldomir and 350k with Judah. Cotto vs Judah did poor with just a little over 200k but Cotto vs Mosley did 400k.

Be patient. They will fight. There's no point calling Mayweather out now while De La Hoya and Hatton are being lined up again. If they both keep winning 2009 they will fight.

Cotto won't call Mayweather out because he ain't Zab Judah or Shane Mosely he's a lot better than them Cotto is'nt ready for Mayweather yet in my opinion and Cotto and his team know it.

it's not cottos style to call out fighters

I think Cotto is staying quiet about Mayweather to send a message to Floyd. Cotto really does not need Mayweather. Cotto is stealing the headlines now and getting lots of attention.

I think instead of calling Mayweather out, he is trying to lure him out first. Once Floyd realizes that Cotto is getting as much or more attention than him, Floyd's ego will get the better of him and he will start talking to the media first.

Cotto has a swagger about him now. He considers himself "The Main Man" of the division. He is the guy who plans on cleaning out the division.

I can't believe all of these "fight fans" can put the blame for this fight not happening all on mayweather.

...cause cotto doesn't need to, everyone else is doing it for him. He's knows that a fight between him and floyd will eventually happen calling him out won't make it happen any faster, also cotto realizes he would just be blowing air since both he and floyd already have fights lined up. He'll just keep destroying people in the ring till his time comes that all the calling out he needs to do.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Well see if COTTO calls out Floyd then Floyd holds the cards and can get all the money he wants, and the gloves he wants, and can get the ref he wants, and the venue he wants and the HUGE ring he wants


If FLOYD calls out Cotto then Miguel has SOME sway over what the hell is going to happen in making the fight happen.


It's all boxing politics....I figure Arum is telling him the same thing behind closed doors, he's not a TOTAL moron

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Great points in your reply! Reps on that

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Originally Posted by Deanrw

I think Cotto is staying quiet about Mayweather to send a message to Floyd. Cotto really does not need Mayweather.

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Yeah but pardon me if I'm wrong but Mayweather doesn't need Cotto either.

Mayweather already has a great legacy in boxing and has proven everything in his career already. Its the people that don't like him that refuse to accept it.

Mayweather has proven everything in the sport of boxing and cemented his legacy and dominated his era. His legacy is already done he came up fighting the same way Cotto is doing now.

Mayweather has a legacy created and cotto is still trying to create his. So in essence Cotto doesn't need Mayweather's name on his resume to make his own legacy. But Mayweather doesn't need Cotto's name or any other welterweights name on his legacy either.

They can both go their entire careers without fighting each other and their legacies won't hurt from it.

I think its more or less the fans not accepting what Mayweather has already accomplished because they yearn to see him get beat and no matter who he beats they'll always throw another name out there.


First they said Judah would foil him, he beats Judah and they go, Judah is unstable, they said Ricky would beat him because he would pressure him better then Castillo and because Hatton stood up to Tszyu that he could stand up to Mayweather. Mayweather knocks him out and they go, it isnt Hatton's weight class, completely dissing the fact that if it took place at 140 Mayweather would be quicker, slicker, and hit harder.


its Mayweather hate basically. In all honesty Cotto doesn't need Floyd, and Floyd doesn't need Cotto.

And any fan of Cotto's that thinks that he needs Mayweather's name on his resume in order to be successful needs to have better faith in their fighter.


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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by Deanrw

I think Cotto is staying quiet about Mayweather to send a message to Floyd. Cotto really does not need Mayweather.

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Yeah but pardon me if I'm wrong but Mayweather doesn't need Cotto either.

Mayweather already has a great legacy in boxing and has proven everything in his career already. Its the people that don't like him that refuse to accept it.

Mayweather has proven everything in the sport of boxing and cemented his legacy and dominated his era. His legacy is already done he came up fighting the same way Cotto is doing now.

Mayweather has a legacy created and cotto is still trying to create his. So in essence Cotto doesn't need Mayweather's name on his resume to make his own legacy. But Mayweather doesn't need Cotto's name or any other welterweights name on his legacy either.

They can both go their entire careers without fighting each other and their legacies won't hurt from it.

I think its more or less the fans not accepting what Mayweather has already accomplished because they yearn to see him get beat and no matter who he beats they'll always throw another name out there.


First they said Judah would foil him, he beats Judah and they go, Judah is unstable, they said Ricky would beat him because he would pressure him better then Castillo and because Hatton stood up to Tszyu that he could stand up to Mayweather. Mayweather knocks him out and they go, it isnt Hatton's weight class, completely dissing the fact that if it took place at 140 Mayweather would be quicker, slicker, and hit harder.


its Mayweather hate basically. In all honesty Cotto doesn't need Floyd, and Floyd doesn't need Cotto.

And any fan of Cotto's that thinks that he needs Mayweather's name on his resume in order to be successful needs to have better faith in their fighter.


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I never claimed Floyd needed him either. It is his own legacy he is dictating.

I disagree.

If Cotto continues undefeated and Mayweather doesn't face him, it WILL go down on his resume. Ducking accusations are something that don't shake with time. For every Sugar Ray there is a Charley Burley, so I do think that unless he is fine with the calls of ducking, he better either face Cotto or hope Cotto is made to look bad sometime within the next year or so.

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Originally Posted by amat

I disagree.

If Cotto continues undefeated and Mayweather doesn't face him, it WILL go down on his resume. Ducking accusations are something that don't shake with time. For every Sugar Ray there is a Charley Burley, so I do think that unless he is fine with the calls of ducking, he better either face Cotto or hope Cotto is made to look bad sometime within the next year or so.

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Funny how no one remembers neither Chris Eubank nor Nigel Benn fighting James Toney and Eubank admittingly trying his best NOT to fight Roy Jones.

Neither of their legacies are hurt because even without facing each other they went on to become legendary fighters in their own rights.

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Originally Posted by amat

I disagree.

If Cotto continues undefeated and Mayweather doesn't face him, it WILL go down on his resume. Ducking accusations are something that don't shake with time. For every Sugar Ray there is a Charley Burley, so I do think that unless he is fine with the calls of ducking, he better either face Cotto or hope Cotto is made to look bad sometime within the next year or so.

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Have to agree with you on that.. whether it's fair that that happens, maybe, people do go back and see that there were contenders out there that weren't fought.
I agree that to a big extent, Floyd has proven everything he needs to prove in boxing... BUT, as long as he is STILL boxing, he should continue to prove.
Hopkins hasn't sat their and said, "look at my record... I've beaten everyone that challenged me for years... I've got nothing to prove anymore, so I won't take really hard fights"... NO, he's still boxing, and he's still fighting as if he's a fresh champion defending his title. For someone that doesn't have anything more to prove in boxing, he's proving a LOT by fighting Calzaghe, and continueing to take these challenging fights..

It's an example that, as long as Floyd is still in the game, and doesn't have any physical excuses, then he's proving things by NOT fighting the biggest challengers..

I Agree though, he doesn't need to take the fight to go down as a legend!! Simple.. But that's a shitty attitude to have about why he doesn't need to take challenging fights anymore... Great champions never rest on their past wins, if they have a chance of making new ones.....


I think we are just using different measuring sticks when it comes to whether Floyd has proved all that he can, and needs to prove.... No one will doubt he is a champion... And technically he can do whatever he wants now and will still go down as champion!
But it proves he's not cut from the same cloth as other guys,,, who don't give a shit about their record... The give a shit about right now! Thet go 100% head on with what's in front of them....

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Originally Posted by amat

I disagree.

If Cotto continues undefeated and Mayweather doesn't face him, it WILL go down on his resume. Ducking accusations are something that don't shake with time. For every Sugar Ray there is a Charley Burley, so I do think that unless he is fine with the calls of ducking, he better either face Cotto or hope Cotto is made to look bad sometime within the next year or so.

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Funny how no one remembers neither Chris Eubank nor Nigel Benn fighting James Toney and Eubank admittingly trying his best NOT to fight Roy Jones.

Neither of their legacies are hurt because even without facing each other they went on to become legendary fighters in their own rights.

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What do they have to do with this? That's a bit different of a situation as they were both older and Jones and Toney young. They weren't fights literally EVERYBODY was calling for. If you don't want to see Cotto-Mayweather then you don't really need to be watching boxing. And you'll find some people who remember that whole debacle.

For one, it's very well noted that Eubank never fought across the Atlantic in America. And Benn's legacy isn't really defined by him being the best, it's defined by the great fights he had.

When you say you are the best and one of the greatest of all time then you are expected to fight the best. Leonard takes heat for supposedly ducking Pryor, this would go down exactly the same imo, except that this would actually be legitimate. Make no mistake about it, unless Cotto gets demolished sometime soon, this will go down right with Mayweather and would instantly be called one of the biggest avoiders of all time as fair as that may or may not be.

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Originally Posted by Preme

i'm starting to like Cotto, but what pisses me off is all this shit about how mayweather is said to be ducking Cotto, yet once again after a bit win you don't see him calling HIM out...

Yes yes i know the fan boys will come out with "it's not in Cotto's style" but thats bullshit, in this sport 9 times out of 10 nothing is handed to you, you have to get out there and freaking take it. Cotto could have and SHOULD have called out floyd right then.

Now don't mistake me in a way that i'm trying to say Cotto doesn;t realy want that fight, i honestly believe he would welcome it. But if he really, REALLY wants it he needs to start sounding like it, he isn't a fucking dog, so he needs to stop talking about his handlers take care of things!

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Hey Preme , Cotto in the local journal in an interview he said , that he dont going waste more his time calling PBF , becuse he commented; " For what i going waste time calling a person that really dont want fight me , i going still looking foeward for fight with who want fight me with other big names and thats all "..........that was his expresion my friend and thats why he didnt call anyone........He doing right........;D
That its what going comes now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Coming from a Calzaghe fan:confused::D Maybe Cotto is perfectly content with the way he is being handled, and doesn't really feel he should fight Mayweather until he can demand a higher share of the revenue, since he's doing just fine with the way his career has gone. I've never gotten the impression that Cotto really cares who he fights anyways.

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Originally Posted by piye

I can't believe all of these "fight fans" can put the blame for this fight not happening all on mayweather.

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How can you not? When asked about this Floyd has never once said he's like to fight Cotto, always an excuse. The reason Cotto isn't calling out Floyd is it's pointless. Just move on without Fraud Mayweather. He can fight ODL and Hatton again, dancing with the stars, WWE, etc. And Cotto can fight some real fights.

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Originally Posted by amat

I disagree.

If Cotto continues undefeated and Mayweather doesn't face him, it WILL go down on his resume. Ducking accusations are something that don't shake with time. For every Sugar Ray there is a Charley Burley, so I do think that unless he is fine with the calls of ducking, he better either face Cotto or hope Cotto is made to look bad sometime within the next year or so.

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Funny how no one remembers neither Chris Eubank nor Nigel Benn fighting James Toney and Eubank admittingly trying his best NOT to fight Roy Jones.

Neither of their legacies are hurt because even without facing each other they went on to become legendary fighters in their own rights.

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What do they have to do with this? That's a bit different of a situation as they were both older and Jones and Toney young. They weren't fights literally EVERYBODY was calling for. If you don't want to see Cotto-Mayweather then you don't really need to be watching boxing. And you'll find some people who remember that whole debacle.

For one, it's very well noted that Eubank never fought across the Atlantic in America. And Benn's legacy isn't really defined by him being the best, it's defined by the great fights he had.

When you say you are the best and one of the greatest of all time then you are expected to fight the best. Leonard takes heat for supposedly ducking Pryor, this would go down exactly the same imo, except that this would actually be legitimate. Make no mistake about it, unless Cotto gets demolished sometime soon, this will go down right with Mayweather and would instantly be called one of the biggest avoiders of all time as fair as that may or may not be.

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Yes, it`s so well noted, that your statement here is 100% wrong.