Joe Calzaghe is so small compared to Bernard Hopkins?
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Joe Calzaghe is so small compared to Bernard Hopkins?
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/b4/fu...s_calzaghe.jpg
Joe Calzaghe:
Height - 5' 11 1/2"
Reach - 73"
Bernard Hopkins:
Height - 6' 1"
Reach - 75"
I dont think Calzaghe is neccessarily small compared to Hopkins. Hopkins does have slight size advantages though. Kessler was pretty big too, didnt matter all that much.
Kessler is 6ft 1inch, though a shorter reach than Hop, according to H.B.O, Although they do have Joe at a 74inch reach..
I think Joe is looking as strong as hell and in great shape, the best Ive seen him, tho B.Hop too is looking the part, there is a lot being made about Joe not having faced anyone like B.Hop....
Believe me B.Hop has never faced anyone even similar in style or intensity to Joe C...That equally will not be in the slightest bit intimidated....
:badass::badass::badass:
It doesn't really matter body size there pretty much the same and Hopkins height advantage won't play a factor in the fight, because Hopkins will be trying to make the fight on the inside not the outside.
Calzaghe looks like a teener when standing infront of Hopkins... Even Enzo is amazed of Bernard's size advantage...
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/68/fu...s_calzaghe.jpg
In all the photos i see Kessler didn't really look like he had a height advantage like Hopkins does over Calzaghe.
http://image.guim.co.uk/Guardian/spo...nce-w-2842.jpg
Hopkins is also wearing a pair of air max with a massive chunky sole on them as well. probably puts almost an extra inch on him!
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Originally Posted by ICB
Yep Joe and Kessler looked like of the same height/size... but compared to Bernard, Joe really looked small...
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/2...ng_nvib103.jpg
The smaller Joe is somewhat uncomfortable standing beside BIG BERNARD...
Optical illusion.
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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
Could be ... to Calzaghe fans... but I do think that Bernard has the size advantage over Calzaghe ...
How about the trainer advantage? I think this also goes to Bernard... Freddie Roach is much better trainer compared to Enzo Calzaghe...
Coach Roach Promises That Hopkins Will Stop Calzaghe In Later Rounds!
As with any trainer though, Roach is inclined to overstate his fighters abilities. I remember him saying that James Toney could KO Lennox Lewis as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerQuote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
Could be ... to Calzaghe fans... but I do think that Bernard has the size advantage over Calzaghe ...
How about the trainer advantage? I think this also goes to Bernard... Freddie Roach is much better trainer compared to Enzo Calzaghe...
Coach Roach Promises That Hopkins Will Stop Calzaghe In Later Rounds!
Roach can be full of it sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerQuote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
Could be ... to Calzaghe fans... but I do think that Bernard has the size advantage over Calzaghe ...
How about the trainer advantage? I think this also goes to Bernard... Freddie Roach is much better trainer compared to Enzo Calzaghe...
Coach Roach Promises That Hopkins Will Stop Calzaghe In Later Rounds!
Yep, Roach overdo it sometimes... but I still consider Roach the better coach, trainer and cornerman compared to Enzo...Quote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftRoach can be full of it sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerQuote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
Could be ... to Calzaghe fans... but I do think that Bernard has the size advantage over Calzaghe ...
How about the trainer advantage? I think this also goes to Bernard... Freddie Roach is much better trainer compared to Enzo Calzaghe...
Coach Roach Promises That Hopkins Will Stop Calzaghe In Later Rounds!
So the advantages are ...
Size: Hopkins
Corner/Coach: Hopkins
Speed: Calzaghe
Age: Calzaghe
Power: Hopkins
Experience: Hopkins
Workrate: Calzaghe
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Size advantage is actually to Calzaghe.
He's a fighter that wants to work of activity defensive movement and slips. It pays for him to be sleeker and smaller;)
Yeah I guess so. BTW, do you know the latest vegas odds on this?Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerYep, Roach overdo it sometimes... but I still consider Roach the better coach, trainer and cornerman compared to Enzo...Quote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftRoach can be full of it sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
So...
Size: Advantage to Hopkins
Corner/Coach: Advantage to Hopkins
.
How does Hopkins have the experience advantage?Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerYep, Roach overdo it sometimes... but I still consider Roach the better coach, trainer and cornerman compared to Enzo...Quote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftRoach can be full of it sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
So the advantages are ...
Size: Hopkins
Corner/Coach: Hopkins
Speed: Calzaghe
Age: Calzaghe
Power: Hopkins
Experience: Hopkins
Workrate: Calzaghe
.
I don't have Vegas but British oddsmaker place Hopkins as a 3 to 1 underdog... I'm thinking of putting some real money on B-Hop... The odds is so tempting... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftYeah I guess so. BTW, do you know the latest vegas odds on this?Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerYep, Roach overdo it sometimes... but I still consider Roach the better coach, trainer and cornerman compared to Enzo...Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
So...
Size: Advantage to Hopkins
Corner/Coach: Advantage to Hopkins
.
B-Hop clearly has the experience advantage being 20 years in boxing with a total of 54 fights. Joe has 44 total fights in 15 years...Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHow does Hopkins have the experience advantage?Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerYep, Roach overdo it sometimes... but I still consider Roach the better coach, trainer and cornerman compared to Enzo...Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
So the advantages are ...
Size: Hopkins
Corner/Coach: Hopkins
Speed: Calzaghe
Age: Calzaghe
Power: Hopkins
Experience: Hopkins
Workrate: Calzaghe
.
B-Hop also has the tougher opponents...
Fight week is great hearing the arguements from both sides in a fight like this is always interesting cause really nobody is wrong or right (except about who's bigger, b-hop definatly is for what it's worth against joe) most opinions here make sense so we'll just have to wait and see, total toss up in my book.
Calzaghe also has a pretty nifty amateur record that you might want to consider.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerB-Hop clearly has the experience advantage being 20 years in boxing with a total of 54 fights. Joe has 44 total fights in 15 years...Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHow does Hopkins have the experience advantage?Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
B-Hop also has the tougher opponents...
Ive just noticed in the pic where they are face to face, Bernards heels arent on the floor, he is trying to tiptoe and intimidate Calzaghe with his height;DQuote:
Originally Posted by cpcompany
He knows hes in deep now and is trying anything, I dont think we will see Bernard be as brave with joe as he was with Wright when he shoved Wright at the weigh in, he knows Joe would whack him;D
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesCalzaghe also has a pretty nifty amateur record that you might want to consider.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerB-Hop clearly has the experience advantage being 20 years in boxing with a total of 54 fights. Joe has 44 total fights in 15 years...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
B-Hop also has the tougher opponents...
There's no experience ADVANTAGE. Both these guys have been fighting their entire lives.. at the very TOP for donkeys years
Hopkins has HOME advantage. Maybe Calzaghe wont handle fighting in Hopkins backyard.. but i doubt it.
That shoving with Winky was a marketing ploy... Hopkin's "I'll never lose to a white boy..." is enough to sell more tickets...Quote:
Originally Posted by rossIve just noticed in the pic where they are face to face, Bernards heels arent on the floor, he is trying to tiptoe and intimidate Calzaghe with his height;DQuote:
Originally Posted by cpcompany
He knows hes in deep now and is trying anything, I dont think we will see Bernard be as brave with joe as he was with Wright when he shoved Wright at the weigh in, he knows Joe would whack him;D
Er Calzaghe has stopped 32 super middle weights, Bernard hasnt stopped anyone over middle weight:rolleyes:;D;D;D;D;D;D;DQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Bernard is on tippy toes;D
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/68/fu...s_calzaghe.jpg
Older guys has the experience advantage... Hopkins is 43 while Joe is 36... Hopkins already experienced everything (i think) but Joe has one thing he hasn't experience yet... that is LOSING a fight...Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterExactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesCalzaghe also has a pretty nifty amateur record that you might want to consider.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
There's no experience ADVANTAGE. These guys have been fighting their entire lives.. at the very TOP for donkeys years
Hopkins as HOME advantage. Maybe Calzaghe wont handle fighting in Hopkins backyard.. but i doubt it.
Theres a reason for thatQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Theres also a reason Bernard is used to it
;D
Calzaghe hasa much more extensive amateur backgroundQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterExactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesCalzaghe also has a pretty nifty amateur record that you might want to consider.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
There's no experience ADVANTAGE. Both these guys have been fighting their entire lives.. at the very TOP for donkeys years
Hopkins has HOME advantage. Maybe Calzaghe wont handle fighting in Hopkins backyard.. but i doubt it.
If those 32 guys had faced B-Hop instead, they will be murdered... Calzaghe's hands right now were already fragile that might prevent him throwing "true" power punches... What Joe throws were mostly pitty pat punches... So I think Hopkins will be throwing the harder punches during the fight...Quote:
Originally Posted by rossEr Calzaghe has stopped 32 super middle weights, Bernard hasnt stopped anyone over middle weight:rolleyes:;D;D;D;D;D;D;DQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Hopkins has more life experience because he is older.. doesn't mean he has more boxing experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerOlder guys has the experience advantage... Hopkins is 43 while Joe is 36... Hopkins already experienced everything (i think) but Joe has one thing he hasn't experience yet... that is LOSING a fight...Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterExactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
There's no experience ADVANTAGE. These guys have been fighting their entire lives.. at the very TOP for donkeys years
Hopkins as HOME advantage. Maybe Calzaghe wont handle fighting in Hopkins backyard.. but i doubt it.
And yeah Joe don't know how to lose.. That's a HUGE advantage in his favour.
Add that to your list.
Dyou think Trinidad would have lasted as long against Joe, or Joppy, or Wright.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerIf those 32 guys had faced B-Hop instead, they will be murdered... Calzaghe's hands right now were already fragile that might prevent him throwing "true" power punches... What Joe throws were mostly pitty pat punches... So I think Hopkins will be throwing the harder punches during the fight...Quote:
Originally Posted by rossEr Calzaghe has stopped 32 super middle weights, Bernard hasnt stopped anyone over middle weight:rolleyes:;D;D;D;D;D;D;DQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Taylor would have been knocked all over the place, didnt Jermain have Bernard floundering all over the place? Pavlik stopped him but Bernard couldnt.
Bernard will be happy to do what he did in the Taylor fight, he will realise he cant keep up early but it wont be like Taylor, Joe will keep the pace up and either Hopkins stays in his shell doing piss all or tries to fight and gets stopped;D
Depends on how you look at it... Sometimes it's a burden to think that there might be a time when your "0" has to go... When you lose already, you're not afraid of losing anymore... no more pressure...Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHopkins has more life experience because he is older.. doesn't mean he has more boxing experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerOlder guys has the experience advantage... Hopkins is 43 while Joe is 36... Hopkins already experienced everything (i think) but Joe has one thing he hasn't experience yet... that is LOSING a fight...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
And yeah Joe don't know how to lose.. That's a HUGE advantage in his favour.
Add that to your list.
Another thing Joe hasn't experience yet... fighting away from home (aside from one in Germany)... How Joe gonna handle this?
Germany is the most notorious place in the world for travelling fighters taking on germans but Joe went there and knocked out someone bigger than Bernard has ever knocked out;D 6,4" and bigger than a middle or ex welter;D
Actually comparing who they have fought is like apples and oranges... I'm just giving the power advantage to Hopkins right now mainly due to Joe's fragile hands...Quote:
Originally Posted by rossDyou think Trinidad would have lasted as long against Joe, or Joppy, or Wright.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerIf those 32 guys had faced B-Hop instead, they will be murdered... Calzaghe's hands right now were already fragile that might prevent him throwing "true" power punches... What Joe throws were mostly pitty pat punches... So I think Hopkins will be throwing the harder punches during the fight...Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Taylor would have been knocked all over the place, didnt Jermain have Bernard floundering all over the place? Pavlik stopped him but Bernard couldnt.
Bernard will be happy to do what he did in the Taylor fight, he will realise he cant keep up early but it wont be like Taylor, Joe will keep the pace up and either Hopkins stays in his shell doing piss all or tries to fight and gets stopped;D
Nah.. once you KNOW how to lose it's EASIER to lose. It's science.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerDepends on how you look at it... Sometimes it's a burden to think that there might be a time when your "0" has to go... When you lose already, you're not afraid of losing anymore... no more pressure...Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHopkins has more life experience because he is older.. doesn't mean he has more boxing experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
And yeah Joe don't know how to lose.. That's a HUGE advantage in his favour.
Add that to your list.
Another thing Joe hasn't experience yet... fighting away from home (aside from one in Germany)... How Joe gonna handle this?
Joe might not handle Vegas. That's a possible. HOME advantage clearly for Hopkins.
Joe passed that one in Germany (and Denmark) with flying colors... But how will Joe perform in his Las Vegas/American debut?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
What we can do now is just wait... Waaaa can't wait anymore... ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterNah.. once you KNOW how to lose it's EASIER to lose. It's science.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerDepends on how you look at it... Sometimes it's a burden to think that there might be a time when your "0" has to go... When you lose already, you're not afraid of losing anymore... no more pressure...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Another thing Joe hasn't experience yet... fighting away from home (aside from one in Germany)... How Joe gonna handle this?
Joe might not handle Vegas. That's a possible. HOME advantage clearly for Hopkins.
Nice discussion guys... Need to logout now...
It looks to me Joe's neck is bigger.I mean come guys does this really mean anything at all.The size of Hopkins that is.