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Calzaghe Looked Ordinary? Are You Guys Nuts?
I can't believe how delirious Bernard and some of you guys are. That fight wasn't even close and would have been even worse for hopkins had he not faked getting hit low and took the 5 minute break.
He was being dominated in every aspect of the game and as usual, resorted to his dirty tactics. Imagine if the ref would have done his job how the scores would have really looked. He got away with murder last night and is the biggest sore loser in boxing.
He consistently hit one or two low blows on the break, headbutted, faked like he got hit low, turned Joe around and hit him from behind and held on just to try to make it close.
If anything, it just shows how great of a fighter Joe is for not loosing his cool and still dominating him despite getting no help from the ref.
Joe Calzaghe P4P #1 fighter in the WORLD!!!
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Well said ... people need to get real with the truth, and not what they wanted, truth is Joe won a messy fight, which was no fault of his own, but won it by three rounds on my card...
How Cortez could hound Hatton all the way in PBF fight, only to turn around here and let Flopkins get away with whatever he liked to try really bummed me off...
Why is Joe Calzaghe so great, because he ALWAYS finds a way to win, whatever the situation, even when the opponent is doing all they can to destroy the fight, like B.Flop did.....
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Bx730NY
I can't believe how delirious Bernard and some of you guys are. That fight wasn't even close and would have been even worse for hopkins had he not faked getting hit low and took the 5 minute break.
He was being dominated in every aspect of the game and as usual, resorted to his dirty tactics. Imagine if the ref would have done his job how the scores would have really looked. He got away with murder last night and is the biggest sore loser in boxing.
He consistently hit one or two low blows on the break, headbutted, faked like he got hit low, turned Joe around and hit him from behind and held on just to try to make it close.
If anything, it just shows how great of a fighter Joe is for not loosing his cool and still dominating him despite getting no help from the ref.
Joe Calzaghe P4P #1 fighter in the WORLD!!!
I agree with everything here, except for the last line. Calzaghe clearly won the fight. No one has ever looked good against Hopkins, so just winning the fight is impressive enough.
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I watched the fight live last night after coming back from a mates wedding.
I was completely pissed and watched it with three mates who came back with me and we all though B Hop was going to get the decision. I need to watch it sober I think today!
I really don't understand the grumbling about Joe Cortez though. Most people felt he should have let Hatton fight on the inside more against Floyd so in this fight he learned from his mistake and allowed Hopkins to fight on the inside.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Bilbo
I watched the fight live last night after coming back from a mates wedding.
I was completely pissed and watched it with three mates who came back with me and we all though B Hop was going to get the decision. I need to watch it sober I think today!
I really don't understand the grumbling about Joe Cortez though. Most people felt he should have let Hatton fight on the inside more against Floyd so in this fight he learned from his mistake and allowed Hopkins to fight on the inside.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Oh, Cortez learned from his mistake. Ahhhh, how humble of him:rolleyes: Somehow I get the feeling Cortez would do exactly the same thing to Hatton again if he fought Floyd in a rematch{though Floyd would still beat his a##}
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SweetPea
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Bx730NY
I can't believe how delirious Bernard and some of you guys are. That fight wasn't even close and would have been even worse for hopkins had he not faked getting hit low and took the 5 minute break.
He was being dominated in every aspect of the game and as usual, resorted to his dirty tactics. Imagine if the ref would have done his job how the scores would have really looked. He got away with murder last night and is the biggest sore loser in boxing.
He consistently hit one or two low blows on the break, headbutted, faked like he got hit low, turned Joe around and hit him from behind and held on just to try to make it close.
If anything, it just shows how great of a fighter Joe is for not loosing his cool and still dominating him despite getting no help from the ref.
Joe Calzaghe P4P #1 fighter in the WORLD!!!
I agree with everything here, except for the last line. Calzaghe clearly won the fight. No one has ever looked good against Hopkins, so just winning the fight is impressive enough.
Agreed. Hopkins just has that style that doesn't ever allow you to have a highlight reel against him.
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Just as Sweetpea said, I agreed with most all of it except Joe being p4p no1. A big fight against a competitive Light-Heavy champion who comes to fight would be the perfect showpiece finish for his career in my view. BCD or Tarver....he needs to go out with a vintage performance in my view, so probably not a rematch with BHop.
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As in most things, I like my Sportsmen to be Heroes. Not con artists as is Hopkins, Ive often wondered what was the reason He got put in Jail. Was it Fraud or Mugging a Pensioner.
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superheavyrhun
Just as Sweetpea said, I agreed with most all of it except Joe being p4p no1. A big fight against a competitive Light-Heavy champion who comes to fight would be the perfect showpiece finish for his career in my view. BCD or Tarver....he needs to go out with a vintage performance in my view, so probably not a rematch with BHop.
I agree.Bring on Roy Jones Jnr.:lickish:Now that would be a great match.Pavlik too,but i cant see him moving up in weight!
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I totally agree, Joe did a top job with what he had to work with.
I watched the fight live here in Vegas so not had chnce to watch it again sober, but I felt Joe comfortably won. Hopkins had no plan other than a two hit combo, big right over the top followed by head butt.
Joe had no way of looking good against Hopkins, he did as good as we possibly could have expected.
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to be honest he did, hopkins does that to fighters, hopkins also made joe's workrate drop and his punches ineffective while hitting joe with good leads.
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I think we're being a bit unfair to Hopkins.
He employed dirty tactics, poor sportsmanship and questionable strategy, but in doing so he made the most out of an aged 43 year old body and gave Joe a terrific struggle and a scrappy fight.
The fight was not a case of "what Calzaghe did wrong." It was a case of what Bernard did right.
And what Hopkins did, was drag Joe out of his comfort zonee, negate his counter punching ability and reflexes and drag him into a messy fight.
In turn, Joe coped reasonably well with a "great effort" from Hopkins and dealt out just enugh to be awarded the fight.
It was a split decision, but the judge that awarded the fight to Hopkins scored it 114-113.
Subtract the knockdown and thats a draw.
Joe did well. Obviously better than Tarver and Winky.
They are not ordinary fighters and neither is Joe.
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hitmandonny
I think we're being a bit unfair to Hopkins.
He employed dirty tactics, poor sportsmanship and questionable strategy, but in doing so he made the most out of an aged 43 year old body and gave Joe a terrific struggle and a scrappy fight.
The fight was not a case of "what Calzaghe did wrong." It was a case of what Bernard did right.
And what Hopkins did, was drag Joe out of his comfort zonee, negate his counter punching ability and reflexes and drag him into a messy fight.
In turn, Joe coped reasonably well with a "great effort" from Hopkins and dealt out just enugh to be awarded the fight.
It was a split decision, but the judge that awarded the fight to Hopkins scored it 114-113.
Subtract the knockdown and thats a draw.
Joe did well. Obviously better than Tarver and Winky.
They are not ordinary fighters and neither is Joe.
Well put hitmandonny. It was always going to be a close fight. I thought Hopkins was going to get the win before the fight being in the US and all but Joe did enough to win. No-one dominated and no-one got beat up, but both guys did well. I participated in the rbr and went over what I'd observed and i had Joe just ahead, I thought I was being relatively unbiased.
People must remember that Hopkins makes guys look, well not ordinary, but like donny said takes guys out of their comfort zone and tries to push the fight into his plan. He almost did it but just fell a little short, but both guys did well. I was very happy for the win for Joe as it's nice for the titles to spread around the world and not just be with US fighters. It is a big effort to go to the states and beat a legend, and a big effort to fight and undefeated champ when you are 43 years old at the highest level.
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Scrap
As in most things, I like my Sportsmen to be Heroes. Not con artists as is Hopkins, Ive often wondered what was the reason He got put in Jail. Was it Fraud or Mugging a Pensioner.
How did you score it Scrap? Be interested to have your card
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hitmandonny
I think we're being a bit unfair to Hopkins.
He employed dirty tactics, poor sportsmanship and questionable strategy, but in doing so he made the most out of an aged 43 year old body and gave Joe a terrific struggle and a scrappy fight.
The fight was not a case of "what Calzaghe did wrong." It was a case of what Bernard did right.
And what Hopkins did, was drag Joe out of his comfort zonee, negate his counter punching ability and reflexes and drag him into a messy fight.
In turn, Joe coped reasonably well with a "great effort" from Hopkins and dealt out just enugh to be awarded the fight.
It was a split decision, but the judge that awarded the fight to Hopkins scored it 114-113.
Subtract the knockdown and thats a draw.
Joe did well. Obviously better than Tarver and Winky.
They are not ordinary fighters and neither is Joe.
Well put hitmandonny. It was always going to be a close fight. I thought Hopkins was going to get the win before the fight being in the US and all but Joe did enough to win. No-one dominated and no-one got beat up, but both guys did well. I participated in the rbr and went over what I'd observed and i had Joe just ahead, I thought I was being relatively unbiased.
People must remember that Hopkins makes guys look, well not ordinary, but like donny said takes guys out of their comfort zone and tries to push the fight into his plan. He almost did it but just fell a little short, but both guys did well. I was very happy for the win for Joe as it's nice for the titles to spread around the world and not just be with US fighters. It is a big effort to go to the states and beat a legend, and a big effort to fight and undefeated champ when you are 43 years old at the highest level.
I feel the judges may not have liked the aftertaste of Hopkins' dirty tactics. Because of this they favoured the more active productive boxer.
In that sense it was a triumph for boxing.
As for the referee.:-X
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hitmandonny
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bikersk
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hitmandonny
I think we're being a bit unfair to Hopkins.
He employed dirty tactics, poor sportsmanship and questionable strategy, but in doing so he made the most out of an aged 43 year old body and gave Joe a terrific struggle and a scrappy fight.
The fight was not a case of "what Calzaghe did wrong." It was a case of what Bernard did right.
And what Hopkins did, was drag Joe out of his comfort zonee, negate his counter punching ability and reflexes and drag him into a messy fight.
In turn, Joe coped reasonably well with a "great effort" from Hopkins and dealt out just enugh to be awarded the fight.
It was a split decision, but the judge that awarded the fight to Hopkins scored it 114-113.
Subtract the knockdown and thats a draw.
Joe did well. Obviously better than Tarver and Winky.
They are not ordinary fighters and neither is Joe.
Well put hitmandonny. It was always going to be a close fight. I thought Hopkins was going to get the win before the fight being in the US and all but Joe did enough to win. No-one dominated and no-one got beat up, but both guys did well. I participated in the rbr and went over what I'd observed and i had Joe just ahead, I thought I was being relatively unbiased.
People must remember that Hopkins makes guys look, well not ordinary, but like donny said takes guys out of their comfort zone and tries to push the fight into his plan. He almost did it but just fell a little short, but both guys did well. I was very happy for the win for Joe as it's nice for the titles to spread around the world and not just be with US fighters. It is a big effort to go to the states and beat a legend, and a big effort to fight and undefeated champ when you are 43 years old at the highest level.
I feel the judges may not have liked the aftertaste of Hopkins' dirty tactics. Because of this they favoured the more active productive boxer.
In that sense it was a triumph for boxing.
As for the referee.:-X
I agree with that. Yeah I don't know what's going on with Cortez. Can't figure him out.
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bikersk
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hitmandonny
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bikersk
Well put hitmandonny. It was always going to be a close fight. I thought Hopkins was going to get the win before the fight being in the US and all but Joe did enough to win. No-one dominated and no-one got beat up, but both guys did well. I participated in the rbr and went over what I'd observed and i had Joe just ahead, I thought I was being relatively unbiased.
People must remember that Hopkins makes guys look, well not ordinary, but like donny said takes guys out of their comfort zone and tries to push the fight into his plan. He almost did it but just fell a little short, but both guys did well. I was very happy for the win for Joe as it's nice for the titles to spread around the world and not just be with US fighters. It is a big effort to go to the states and beat a legend, and a big effort to fight and undefeated champ when you are 43 years old at the highest level.
I feel the judges may not have liked the aftertaste of Hopkins' dirty tactics. Because of this they favoured the more active productive boxer.
In that sense it was a triumph for boxing.
As for the referee.:-X
I agree with that. Yeah I don't know what's going on with Cortez. Can't figure him out.
Well I feel Cortez was a disgrace and I'll tell you why.
In the Ricky Hatton Floyd Mayweather bout Cortez was completely intolerant of Hatton keeping Mayweather in place with an arm and hitting. Many fans and trainers deem this "working rough on the inside." Cortez completely prevented Hatton from employing this tactic and ruined Hatton's chances of survinng the 12 rounds.
He then administered a warning and point deduction on an attempted foul.
In the Hopkins fight, Cortez not only allowed Hopkins to utilise a hit and hold style throughout the twelve rounds without warning Hopkins, he also allowed him to get away with numerous uses of the head and punches to the thigh. I don't blame Hopkins for this. Any professional fighter should press any advantage they have.
Cortez clearly altered his attitude and approach to theses two fights according to the personalities involved.
A referee is responsible for a fighters safety, his job is to be completely impartial in performing his duties and the fight with Hopkins proved that he had two completely contrasting standards for Hopkins and Ricky Hatton.
This is not only unprofessional it is also unethical and he should be ashamed of himsel;f for his performance in both fights.
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hitmandonny
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bikersk
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hitmandonny
I feel the judges may not have liked the aftertaste of Hopkins' dirty tactics. Because of this they favoured the more active productive boxer.
In that sense it was a triumph for boxing.
As for the referee.:-X
I agree with that. Yeah I don't know what's going on with Cortez. Can't figure him out.
Well I feel Cortez was a disgrace and I'll tell you why.
In the Ricky Hatton Floyd Mayweather bout Cortez was completely intolerant of Hatton keeping Mayweather in place with an arm and hitting. Many fans and trainers deem this "working rough on the inside." Cortez completely prevented Hatton from employing this tactic and ruined Hatton's chances of survinng the 12 rounds.
He then administered a warning and point deduction on an attempted foul.
In the Hopkins fight, Cortez not only allowed Hopkins to utilise a hit and hold style throughout the twelve rounds without warning Hopkins, he also allowed him to get away with numerous uses of the head and punches to the thigh. I don't blame Hopkins for this. Any professional fighter should press any advantage they have.
Cortez clearly altered his attitude and approach to theses two fights according to the personalities involved.
A referee is responsible for a fighters safety, his job is to be completely impartial in performing his duties and the fight with Hopkins proved that he had two completely contrasting standards for Hopkins and Ricky Hatton.
This is not only unprofessional it is also unethical and he should be ashamed of himsel;f for his performance in both fights.
Ok well thought out. Bet you Hopkins did it on the refs blind side though. I recall the commentators mentioning it during the fight that Hopkins was doing some of these on the blind side. He knows how to do that stuff better than anyone else. May not all be the fault of Cortez, but it does look a bit hypocritical.
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ds91
to be honest he did, hopkins does that to fighters, hopkins also made joe's workrate drop and his punches ineffective while hitting joe with good leads.
He did land some right hand leads throughout the fight. I took Joe some time to get the timing down and what made it tougher was the fact that he had to lean left almost into the punch otherwise he would have getting hit with hopkins head which was coming right behind it.
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bikersk
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hitmandonny
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bikersk
I agree with that. Yeah I don't know what's going on with Cortez. Can't figure him out.
Well I feel Cortez was a disgrace and I'll tell you why.
In the Ricky Hatton Floyd Mayweather bout Cortez was completely intolerant of Hatton keeping Mayweather in place with an arm and hitting. Many fans and trainers deem this "working rough on the inside." Cortez completely prevented Hatton from employing this tactic and ruined Hatton's chances of survinng the 12 rounds.
He then administered a warning and point deduction on an attempted foul.
In the Hopkins fight, Cortez not only allowed Hopkins to utilise a hit and hold style throughout the twelve rounds without warning Hopkins, he also allowed him to get away with numerous uses of the head and punches to the thigh. I don't blame Hopkins for this. Any professional fighter should press any advantage they have.
Cortez clearly altered his attitude and approach to theses two fights according to the personalities involved.
A referee is responsible for a fighters safety, his job is to be completely impartial in performing his duties and the fight with Hopkins proved that he had two completely contrasting standards for Hopkins and Ricky Hatton.
This is not only unprofessional it is also unethical and he should be ashamed of himsel;f for his performance in both fights.
Ok well thought out. Bet you Hopkins did it on the refs blind side though. I recall the commentators mentioning it during the fight that Hopkins was doing some of these on the blind side. He knows how to do that stuff better than anyone else. May not all be the fault of Cortez, but it does look a bit hypocritical.
To be honest mate, there was alot of visible fouls that Hopkins used to test the water.
Cortez allowed them and Hopkins jumped on the opportunity.
My jaw was open during the fight. I wasn't sure If I was seeing properly, then my father said "is this the same referee that reffed the Hatton fight or is it a guy that looks like him" he was also a little shocked!
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Bx730NY
I can't believe how delirious Bernard and some of you guys are. That fight wasn't even close and would have been even worse for hopkins had he not faked getting hit low and took the 5 minute break.
He was being dominated in every aspect of the game and as usual, resorted to his dirty tactics. Imagine if the ref would have done his job how the scores would have really looked. He got away with murder last night and is the biggest sore loser in boxing.
He consistently hit one or two low blows on the break, headbutted, faked like he got hit low, turned Joe around and hit him from behind and held on just to try to make it close.
If anything, it just shows how great of a fighter Joe is for not loosing his cool and still dominating him despite getting no help from the ref.
Joe Calzaghe P4P #1 fighter in the WORLD!!!
Joe stays at number 2 IMO; was there before the fight and is still there now.
I didn't think Joe looked great that night, he got a bit sloppy, the crowd was mental in the TMC and Joe got carried away with it a bit, but i thought he was good though.
People make a big deal about getting tagged a couple times by hopkins str8 right. Lets be honest thats hopkins only great punch, his entire style is based around that one punch. He has other GOOD hits, but it's his right his game is centred around full stop.
Calzaghe is a south paw and they get tagged by them, it's funny really JMM blasted pac with rights all night for fun, a shit load more than hopkins did calzaghe, and a lot more hurtfull too.
I don't think beating hopkins that night was enough to dethron mayweather as the p4p king even though hopkins looked as sharp and fast as he ever has.
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Bx730NY
I can't believe how delirious Bernard and some of you guys are. That fight wasn't even close and would have been even worse for hopkins had he not faked getting hit low and took the 5 minute break.
He was being dominated in every aspect of the game and as usual, resorted to his dirty tactics. Imagine if the ref would have done his job how the scores would have really looked. He got away with murder last night and is the biggest sore loser in boxing.
He consistently hit one or two low blows on the break, headbutted, faked like he got hit low, turned Joe around and hit him from behind and held on just to try to make it close.
If anything, it just shows how great of a fighter Joe is for not loosing his cool and still dominating him despite getting no help from the ref.
Joe Calzaghe P4P #1 fighter in the WORLD!!!
Anyone who has the ref in his pocket and is allowed to lowblow, rabbit punch,hit on the break, headbutt, hold excessively, and rest for extra minutes should make any fighter, no matter how skilled, ordinary. And yet, Joe Cal didnt look ordinary. He is the true definition of p4p.
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bikersk
I agree with that. Yeah I don't know what's going on with Cortez. Can't figure him out.
Well I feel Cortez was a disgrace and I'll tell you why.
In the Ricky Hatton Floyd Mayweather bout Cortez was completely intolerant of Hatton keeping Mayweather in place with an arm and hitting. Many fans and trainers deem this "working rough on the inside." Cortez completely prevented Hatton from employing this tactic and ruined Hatton's chances of survinng the 12 rounds.
He then administered a warning and point deduction on an attempted foul.
In the Hopkins fight, Cortez not only allowed Hopkins to utilise a hit and hold style throughout the twelve rounds without warning Hopkins, he also allowed him to get away with numerous uses of the head and punches to the thigh. I don't blame Hopkins for this. Any professional fighter should press any advantage they have.
Cortez clearly altered his attitude and approach to theses two fights according to the personalities involved.
A referee is responsible for a fighters safety, his job is to be completely impartial in performing his duties and the fight with Hopkins proved that he had two completely contrasting standards for Hopkins and Ricky Hatton.
This is not only unprofessional it is also unethical and he should be ashamed of himsel;f for his performance in both fights.
Ok well thought out. Bet you Hopkins did it on the refs blind side though. I recall the commentators mentioning it during the fight that Hopkins was doing some of these on the blind side. He knows how to do that stuff better than anyone else. May not all be the fault of Cortez, but it does look a bit hypocritical.
There were lots on the blind side, but there were more right in front of Cortez. Cortez is a disgrace to fairness and objectivity. He may be firm, but he is definitely not fair.
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bikersk
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hitmandonny
Well I feel Cortez was a disgrace and I'll tell you why.
In the Ricky Hatton Floyd Mayweather bout Cortez was completely intolerant of Hatton keeping Mayweather in place with an arm and hitting. Many fans and trainers deem this "working rough on the inside." Cortez completely prevented Hatton from employing this tactic and ruined Hatton's chances of survinng the 12 rounds.
He then administered a warning and point deduction on an attempted foul.
In the Hopkins fight, Cortez not only allowed Hopkins to utilise a hit and hold style throughout the twelve rounds without warning Hopkins, he also allowed him to get away with numerous uses of the head and punches to the thigh. I don't blame Hopkins for this. Any professional fighter should press any advantage they have.
Cortez clearly altered his attitude and approach to theses two fights according to the personalities involved.
A referee is responsible for a fighters safety, his job is to be completely impartial in performing his duties and the fight with Hopkins proved that he had two completely contrasting standards for Hopkins and Ricky Hatton.
This is not only unprofessional it is also unethical and he should be ashamed of himsel;f for his performance in both fights.
Ok well thought out. Bet you Hopkins did it on the refs blind side though. I recall the commentators mentioning it during the fight that Hopkins was doing some of these on the blind side. He knows how to do that stuff better than anyone else. May not all be the fault of Cortez, but it does look a bit hypocritical.
There were lots on the blind side, but there were more right in front of Cortez. Cortez is a disgrace to fairness and objectivity. He may be firm, but he is definitely not fair.
I am not a Cortez fan... Haven't been for a while:(
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H I had Joe 2up winning down the straight in a terrible fight. There was only one guy trying to fight. As per usual Hopkins trying to mug without effort to me thats mugging the Sport I love, and its certainly not the first time its happened.Boxing without integraty, no time for it.
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H I had Joe 2up winning down the straight in a terrible fight. There was only one guy trying to fight. As per usual Hopkins trying to mug without effort to me thats mugging the Sport I love, and its certainly not the first time its happened.Boxing without integraty, no time for it.
Yeah, this beloved sport of ours was conceived in liberty and goodwill. The founding fathers never envisoned a boxer who fought dirty, talked dirty, and looked dirty. Nard just has to go, considering this and the fact that he bores the hell out of people watching the sport. :cool:
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hopkins is far less boring when u can tell the difference between someone hitting someones arms and someone landing most of the few punches they throw :cool:
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hopkins is far less boring when u can tell the difference between someone hitting someones arms and someone landing most of the few punches they throw :cool:
Hopkins = Boring
Pacquiao = Exciting
At this point, there really should not be a dispute on this. Unless you get excited watching the grass grow.
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I selected Joe to win by UD against Hopkins but i was far from impressed, Hopkins is a difficult opponent and i really don't like watching him much. Jones Jr will be a different story and Joe will have to improve on that performance to beat RJJ. I give Jones a good chance of upsetting Calzaghe.
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Cortez has some kind of ego problem. They introduce him with some gay "firm but fair slogan". And he just always is trying to get into the spotlight and steal the spotlight from the fighters. :mad:
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I can't believe how delirious Bernard and some of you guys are. That fight wasn't even close and would have been even worse for hopkins had he not faked getting hit low and took the 5 minute break.
He was being dominated in every aspect of the game and as usual, resorted to his dirty tactics. Imagine if the ref would have done his job how the scores would have really looked. He got away with murder last night and is the biggest sore loser in boxing.
He consistently hit one or two low blows on the break, headbutted, faked like he got hit low, turned Joe around and hit him from behind and held on just to try to make it close.
If anything, it just shows how great of a fighter Joe is for not loosing his cool and still dominating him despite getting no help from the ref.
Joe Calzaghe P4P #1 fighter in the WORLD!!!
I agree with everything here, except for the last line. Calzaghe clearly won the fight. No one has ever looked good against Hopkins, so just winning the fight is impressive enough.
Roy looked way better against Hopkins, Also even Winky looked better, didn't take the big punches Calzaghe did, he landed much more solid punches on Hopkins.... overall regardless of scorecards I felt Winky put on a better performance against B-Hop in terms of fighting his style and landing the punches cleanly.
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I can't believe how delirious Bernard and some of you guys are. That fight wasn't even close and would have been even worse for hopkins had he not faked getting hit low and took the 5 minute break.
He was being dominated in every aspect of the game and as usual, resorted to his dirty tactics. Imagine if the ref would have done his job how the scores would have really looked. He got away with murder last night and is the biggest sore loser in boxing.
He consistently hit one or two low blows on the break, headbutted, faked like he got hit low, turned Joe around and hit him from behind and held on just to try to make it close.
If anything, it just shows how great of a fighter Joe is for not loosing his cool and still dominating him despite getting no help from the ref.
Joe Calzaghe P4P #1 fighter in the WORLD!!!
I agree with everything here, except for the last line. Calzaghe clearly won the fight. No one has ever looked good against Hopkins, so just winning the fight is impressive enough.
Roy looked way better against Hopkins, Also even Winky looked better, didn't take the big punches Calzaghe did, he landed much more solid punches on Hopkins.... overall regardless of scorecards
I felt Winky put on a better performance against B-Hop in terms of fighting his style and landing the punches cleanly.
LOL are you even serious? :o
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Re: Calzaghe Looked Ordinary? Are You Guys Nuts?
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THE THIRD MAN
I selected Joe to win by UD against Hopkins but i was far from impressed, Hopkins is a difficult opponent and i really don't like watching him much. Jones Jr will be a different story and Joe will have to improve on that performance to beat RJJ. I give Jones a good chance of upsetting Calzaghe.
I agree.
But if i look at the fights all great fighters have had against nard, they all end up looking either crap wins or getting ko'd or lose themselves.
RJJ didnt beat him comdortably and taylor's wins were v controversial (exceptionally so the first time)...coupled that bernard easily beat winky and totally shut out tarver, it kind of puts it in perspective.
JC vs RJJ will be a different style of fight (thankfully), 2 styles where fireworks are garunteed when they clash.
Id say that if RJJ is totally up for this one then it will be very difficult for calzaghe. If RJJ is how he is in his prime then id favour him to win, but i dont think either fighter is in their prime anymore sadly (i think we saw prime RJJ 6 years back and prime JC 2 years back)...but its only 1 fight. Calzaghe will have to be on great form to beat jones who will obviously be very 'up for it'.
I'll give it 60/40 to calzaghe in this case. The 40% to jones because jones can catch calzaghe and cause him problems aswell, wouldnt come as a shock if jones won, but im favouring joe.
Hopkins proved by his close loss to joe that he is a great boxer, and still at 43 a great athlete and a sure hall of famer.
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Re: Calzaghe Looked Ordinary? Are You Guys Nuts?
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H I had Joe 2up winning down the straight in a terrible fight. There was only one guy trying to fight. As per usual Hopkins trying to mug without effort to me thats mugging the Sport I love, and its certainly not the first time its happened.Boxing without integraty, no time for it.
Yeah, this beloved sport of ours was conceived in liberty and goodwill. The founding fathers never envisoned a boxer who fought dirty, talked dirty, and looked dirty. Nard just has to go, considering this and the fact that he bores the hell out of people watching the sport. :cool:
The founding fathers beat the hell out of each other bareknuckle, were known to kick, grapple and gouge at any given opportunity and regulkarly left the opponent blinded or even bleeding to death.
An early hero of the "founding father's the Boston Strongboy John L. Sullivan used to burst into Bars claiming that he would "whup any motherfucker in the house" and who was often drunk in his fights.
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hitmandonny
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JLAQ
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Originally Posted by
Scrap
H I had Joe 2up winning down the straight in a terrible fight. There was only one guy trying to fight. As per usual Hopkins trying to mug without effort to me thats mugging the Sport I love, and its certainly not the first time its happened.Boxing without integraty, no time for it.
Yeah, this beloved sport of ours was conceived in liberty and goodwill. The founding fathers never envisoned a boxer who fought dirty, talked dirty, and looked dirty. Nard just has to go, considering this and the fact that he bores the hell out of people watching the sport. :cool:
The founding fathers beat the hell out of each other bareknuckle, were known to kick, grapple and gouge at any given opportunity and regulkarly left the opponent blinded or even bleeding to death.
An early hero of the "founding father's the Boston Strongboy John L. Sullivan used to burst into Bars claiming that he would "whup any motherfucker in the house" and who was often drunk in his fights.
Sounds a lot like JT... Only difference is the verbage
JT: "I'll fingerbang any mutha fuckin dude in the house..."
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Re: Calzaghe Looked Ordinary? Are You Guys Nuts?
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
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hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by
JLAQ
Yeah, this beloved sport of ours was conceived in liberty and goodwill. The founding fathers never envisoned a boxer who fought dirty, talked dirty, and looked dirty. Nard just has to go, considering this and the fact that he bores the hell out of people watching the sport. :cool:
The founding fathers beat the hell out of each other bareknuckle, were known to kick, grapple and gouge at any given opportunity and regulkarly left the opponent blinded or even bleeding to death.
An early hero of the "founding father's the Boston Strongboy John L. Sullivan used to burst into Bars claiming that he would "whup any motherfucker in the house" and who was often drunk in his fights.
Sounds a lot like JT... Only difference is the verbage
JT: "I'll fingerbang any mutha fuckin dude in the house..."
Whoa that was a good one!
bIG LEFT HOOK FROM pRIDE!!!
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Re: Calzaghe Looked Ordinary? Are You Guys Nuts?
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hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by
PRIDE OF BOSTON
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Originally Posted by
hitmandonny
The founding fathers beat the hell out of each other bareknuckle, were known to kick, grapple and gouge at any given opportunity and regulkarly left the opponent blinded or even bleeding to death.
An early hero of the "founding father's the Boston Strongboy John L. Sullivan used to burst into Bars claiming that he would "whup any motherfucker in the house" and who was often drunk in his fights.
Sounds a lot like JT... Only difference is the verbage
JT: "I'll fingerbang any mutha fuckin dude in the house..."
Whoa that was a good one!
bIG LEFT HOOK FROM pRIDE!!!
LOL;D
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Re: Calzaghe Looked Ordinary? Are You Guys Nuts?
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
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Originally Posted by
hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by
JLAQ
Yeah, this beloved sport of ours was conceived in liberty and goodwill. The founding fathers never envisoned a boxer who fought dirty, talked dirty, and looked dirty. Nard just has to go, considering this and the fact that he bores the hell out of people watching the sport. :cool:
The founding fathers beat the hell out of each other bareknuckle, were known to kick, grapple and gouge at any given opportunity and regulkarly left the opponent blinded or even bleeding to death.
An early hero of the "founding father's the Boston Strongboy John L. Sullivan used to burst into Bars claiming that he would "whup any motherfucker in the house" and who was often drunk in his fights.
Sounds a lot like JT... Only difference is the verbage
JT: "I'll fingerbang any mutha fuckin dude in the house..."
;D
A quick prediction from me... if JC fight Jones in Wales he'll win inside the distance. Would have been a totally different fight against Jones a few years back but... JC fighting probably his last fight and in front of his home crowd against a questionably shot Roy Jones will result in a late stoppage win...
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Re: Calzaghe Looked Ordinary? Are You Guys Nuts?
All this fuss about Cortez not letting Hatton hold and hit. The ref could have left, and the outcome would have been the same. In the post fight interview, Hatton aknowledged that Floyd was extremely better on the inside than what he expected, just because Cortez didn't let Hatton tackle Floyd, doesn't mean he did a bad job. People want to bitch about the ref helped Floyd, and at the same time, they say well, Hatton is not a p4p fighter at 147, call the wahmbulance. Which is it? Either Hatton isn't that good, or Cortez helped Floyd? What a bunch of BS. As for the Joe-BHOP fight, both fighters got away with alot of crap. I don't think Joe Cortez is a great Ref, but I didn't see him favor either fighter. If he called a foul on BHOP, he would have had to call a foul on Joe. He probably should have made a point early with BHOP, but when he didn't, he knew he couldn't fault Joe later. As I said, both fighters got away with stuff, and neither got a point deducted, so it worked out good.
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Re: Calzaghe Looked Ordinary? Are You Guys Nuts?
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LondonBB
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THE THIRD MAN
I selected Joe to win by UD against Hopkins but i was far from impressed, Hopkins is a difficult opponent and i really don't like watching him much. Jones Jr will be a different story and Joe will have to improve on that performance to beat RJJ. I give Jones a good chance of upsetting Calzaghe.
I agree.
But if i look at the fights all great fighters have had against nard, they all end up looking either crap wins or getting ko'd or lose themselves.
RJJ didnt beat him comdortably and taylor's wins were v controversial (exceptionally so the first time)...coupled that bernard easily beat winky and totally shut out tarver, it kind of puts it in perspective.
JC vs RJJ will be a different style of fight (thankfully), 2 styles where fireworks are garunteed when they clash.
Id say that if RJJ is totally up for this one then it will be very difficult for calzaghe. If RJJ is how he is in his prime then id favour him to win, but i dont think either fighter is in their prime anymore sadly (i think we saw prime RJJ 6 years back and prime JC 2 years back)...but its only 1 fight. Calzaghe will have to be on great form to beat jones who will obviously be very 'up for it'.
I'll give it 60/40 to calzaghe in this case. The 40% to jones because jones can catch calzaghe and cause him problems aswell, wouldnt come as a shock if jones won, but im favouring joe.
Hopkins proved by his close loss to joe that he is a great boxer, and still at 43 a great athlete and a sure hall of famer.
Roy didn't beat who comfortably? IF your tlaking about Bernard HOpkins he was so sure he was going to win that he gave away the last two roudns to protect his hand, and he still won 116-112, and thus he wanted to it probably owuld have been 118-110