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Your Calzaghe-Hopkins Scorecard
With so much talk about the robberies whether it's people thinking Hopkins got robbed or the Calzaghe fans who say a Hopkins scorecard was out of the question, I thought it would be appropriate to post scorecards so we can see exactly where everyone stands on every round.
So I'll get things started off. The bolded rounds are the difference in the fight I would think, those are the swing rounds as I see them.
Hopkins = 1,2,3,4,8,10 = 114
Calzaghe=5,6,7,9,11,12 = 113 (with the knockdown point deducted)
I wish someone with a Calzaghe scored this one before I did because I'm sure mine will draw some criticism. The main thing though is how you favor aggressiveness and volume of punches versus Hopkins' one punch at a time style and his circling on the outside.
Rounds 2,6,7 and 10 were close. I gave 6 and 7 to Calzaghe while I gave the 2 and 10 to Hopkins. I thought the second round Hopkins subdued Joe from the outside and stifled Joe's workrate. Also, no jab from Joe in the second round. In the 10th, Hopkins was winning before he took the rest (which he was allowed to do) and came back to have a couple of his best minutes of the fight. He got a bit of a second wind and came back strong to win the round convincingly imo. However, the acting job he did probably prevented anyone from giving him the round.
I don't have any problems with someone scoring the fight for Calzaghe, I would have been shocked if they didn't actually because he was the aggressor and aggression wins in Vegas. I don't really agree with that especially since Calzaghe wasn't always effective as the judging criteria requires but that's the way it is.
I do however have a problem with a 9 rounds to 3 scorecard. That is beyond ridiculous. No way. I would have been fine with anything from 115-112 Calzaghe to 115-112 Hopkins. It was a close fight with a lot of close rounds, not a lot of decisive rounds either way so that accounts for that margin. In the end on my card, I had Hopkins the winner because of that knockdown.
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Re: Your Calzaghe-Hopkins Scorecard
Dan Rafael had the same score as me, almost the same rounds after I just rewatched the fight.. I had 114-113 for Hopkins as well.
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Re: Your Calzaghe-Hopkins Scorecard
rd 1: 10 - 8 Hopkins
rd 2: 10 - 9 Hopkins
rd 3: 10 - 9 Hopkins
rd 4: 9 - 10 Calzaghe
rd 5: 9 - 10 Calzaghe
rd 6: 10 - 9 Hopkins
rd 7: 10 - 9 Hopkins
rd 8: 9 - 10 Calzaghe
rd 9: 9 - 10 Calzaghe
rd 10: 10- 9 Hopkins
rd 11: 9 - 10 Calzaghe
rd 12: 9 - 10 Calzaghe
114 - 113 Hopkins
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Re: Your Calzaghe-Hopkins Scorecard
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Originally Posted by
amat
With so much talk about the robberies whether it's people thinking Hopkins got robbed or the Calzaghe fans who say a Hopkins scorecard was out of the question, I thought it would be appropriate to post scorecards so we can see exactly where everyone stands on every round.
So I'll get things started off. The bolded rounds are the difference in the fight I would think, those are the swing rounds as I see them.
Hopkins = 1,2,3,4,8,10 = 114
Calzaghe=5,6,7,9,11,12 = 113 (with the knockdown point deducted)
I wish someone with a Calzaghe scored this one before I did because I'm sure mine will draw some criticism. The main thing though is how you favor aggressiveness and volume of punches versus Hopkins' one punch at a time style and his circling on the outside.
Rounds 2,6,7 and 10 were close. I gave 6 and 7 to Calzaghe while I gave the 2 and 10 to Hopkins. I thought the second round Hopkins subdued Joe from the outside and stifled Joe's workrate. Also, no jab from Joe in the second round. In the 10th, Hopkins was winning before he took the rest (which he was allowed to do) and came back to have a couple of his best minutes of the fight. He got a bit of a second wind and came back strong to win the round convincingly imo. However, the acting job he did probably prevented anyone from giving him the round.
I don't have any problems with someone scoring the fight for Calzaghe, I would have been shocked if they didn't actually because he was the aggressor and aggression wins in Vegas. I don't really agree with that especially since Calzaghe wasn't always effective as the judging criteria requires but that's the way it is.
I do however have a problem with a 9 rounds to 3 scorecard. That is beyond ridiculous. No way. I would have been fine with anything from 115-112 Calzaghe to 115-112 Hopkins. It was a close fight with a lot of close rounds, not a lot of decisive rounds either way so that accounts for that margin. In the end on my card, I had Hopkins the winner because of that knockdown.
Amat i had the exact same score completely im glad someone else echo's what i think as well.
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Re: Your Calzaghe-Hopkins Scorecard
The judges scorecard:
http://www.fightnews.com/calz-hop_scorecard.gif
Joe Calzaghe dug himself out of an early hole by taking most of the later rounds in his light heavyweight split decision win over fellow legend Bernard Hopkins on Saturday night in Las Vegas. Super Joe took seven of the last eight rounds on the scorecard of judge Ted Gimza (115-112) and nine of the last ten on the card of judge Chuck Giampa (116-111). Judge Adalaide Byrd, who scored the bout 114-113 for Hopkins, awarded Calzaghe four of the last six rounds. The first six rounds of the fight were difficult to score as the judges were fully in agreement on only the 10-8 first round. In the second half, however, five of the six rounds were agreed upon across the board.
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Re: Your Calzaghe-Hopkins Scorecard
120-108 Calzaghe, if not for the KD. Nard never won a round. He ran all night. Calzaghe, the aggressor, chased him like some dirty ex-con, bitch-slapped Nard like crazy, all the while being restrained by the biased referee. It was a masterclass in boxing. Grace under pressure. :cool:
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Re: Your Calzaghe-Hopkins Scorecard
1 Hopkins 10-8
2 Hopkins 10-9
3 Hopkins 10-9
4 Hopkins 10-9
5 Calzaghe 10-9
6 Calzaghe 10-9
7 Hopkins 10-9
8 Hopkins 10-9
9 Calzaghe 10-9
10 Hopkins 10-9
11 Calzaghe 10-9
12 Calzaghe 10-9
115-112 Bernard Hopkins
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Re: Your Calzaghe-Hopkins Scorecard
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Violent Demise
1 Hopkins 10-8
2 Hopkins 10-9
3 Hopkins 10-9
4 Hopkins 10-9
5 Calzaghe 10-9
6 Calzaghe 10-9
7 Hopkins 10-9
8 Hopkins 10-9
9 Calzaghe 10-9
10 Hopkins 10-9
11 Calzaghe 10-9
12 Calzaghe 10-9
115-112 Bernard Hopkins
I thought pretty similar to this i was sat as the decision came through i never thought Calzaghe had won for one minute then he gets a 116-111 what a joke.Hopkins was the champ in his own backyard i just don't think Calzaghe did enough to win like ICE said the other day Calzaghe should be 43-2 he should have lost to Reid and Hopkins this Hopkins win was a proper gift.
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Re: Your Calzaghe-Hopkins Scorecard
Good bye B-Hop no more I have to hear form you BYEEEE!!!
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Re: Your Calzaghe-Hopkins Scorecard
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JLAQ
120-108 Calzaghe, if not for the KD. Nard never won a round. He ran all night. Calzaghe, the aggressor, chased him like some dirty ex-con, bitch-slapped Nard like crazy, all the while being restrained by the biased referee. It was a masterclass in boxing. Grace under pressure. :cool:
what a stupid comment. bernard never won a round ???? he ran ??? he actually did a thing called lateral movement. you need to watch de la hoya - trinidad to see what running actually is. calzaghe was the agressor but landed nothing effective at all while being countered by hopkins effective leads. you can talk about compubox stats but they are completely unrealible.
Bad rep for you for such a shit and nuthugger post
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Re: Your Calzaghe-Hopkins Scorecard
Calzaghe never really landed anything of substance like Hopkins did Calzaghe was the one who was down and the one who was hurt on a few occasions.
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Re: Your Calzaghe-Hopkins Scorecard
Funny old game is scoring.
All three judges gave the 11th round to Hopkins yet I notice all you Hopkins boys gave it to Calzaghe...
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Re: Your Calzaghe-Hopkins Scorecard
Such a hard fight to score. Infact the hardest to score since Hopkins Taylor 1 imo. I think we all agree it was VERY close
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Re: Your Calzaghe-Hopkins Scorecard
I think I scored it 115-112 to Calzaghe.
Cant find my score card.
Hopkins used every dirty trick in the book and he still got beat.
The ref should have warned Hopkins for his constant holding and taken a point if it continued.
THE BEST MAN WON.;D
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Re: Your Calzaghe-Hopkins Scorecard
I'm not getting into the arguements of scoring.. Some of the rounds could have gone either way.. The first knockdown was definetly a knockdown, but certainly had no effect on Calzaghe being hurt.. It was a nice punch that had Calzaghe's feet squared up and obviously not balanced, and then Hopkins pushing forward to make sure Calzaghe went onto his ass..
No my stream was pretty crappy, but the other times I saw a punch get Calzaghe wobbling, it was a punch that had shortly followed a head clash.. So it could be argued that it was the butts that had Calzaghe almost out a few times... I don't think Calzaghe would have gone down in the first from the punch, if Hopkins did not continue to come forward and push him off balance..
100% agree though that Hopkins landed the better punches.. By far.. And did not run.. He was tactical. If he stood and traded with Joe, it would have been Joe's fight..
Everyone someone chooses as part of their gameplan NOT to stand their and go blow for blow with their opponent,,,, someone will accuse them of running..
Boxing is a game of tactics, as much as it is a game of punching.. Hopkins is one of boxings best tacticians, and gave Joe one hell of a run for his money...
Jlaq, i'll give you the benifit of this one, as you may be a hard core Joe fan and can only see this fight through one eye... But come some newer fights, I hope your fight analysis extends past just the guy you support...
Hopkins performed better than any of Joe's previous opponents.. And if they fought 10 times, I have no doubt he could win at least half of those...
I don't argue with the Joe win which is already going against a lot of people, but calzaghe 120-108 is just showing a lack of respect for proper judgment of a bout.
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Re: Your Calzaghe-Hopkins Scorecard
1 = 10-8 Hopkins
2 = 10-9 Hopkins
3 = 10-9 Hopkins
4 = 10-9 Calzaghe
5 = 10-9 Calzaghe
6 = 10-9 Calzaghe
7 = 10-9 Calzaghe
8 = 10-9 Hopkins
9 = 10-9 Calzaghe
10 = 10-9 Hopkins
11 = 10-9 Calzaghe
12 = 10-9 Calzaghe
114 - 113 Calzaghe
Everyone I watched the fight with had Calzaghe by 1-3 points, but all said before the scorecards came in that he hadn't done enough to beat Hopkins in has own backyard. But he was the agressor and forced the fight and if he didn't come forward this could have been one of the dullest fights of all time.
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Re: Your Calzaghe-Hopkins Scorecard
So we all agree that it was very very close then? Robbery ;D
It would have been an injustice had Hopkins been allowed to con his way to victory.
Well done Joe, a true champion.
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Re: Your Calzaghe-Hopkins Scorecard
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BIG H
Such a hard fight to score. Infact the hardest to score since Hopkins Taylor 1 imo. I think we all agree it was VERY close
I don't think Taylor vs Hopkins 1 was that hard to score, Taylor pretty much clearly won most of the early rounds, with Hopkins at best winning 2 rounds out of the first 8 with 1 even round. Then Hopkins clearly won the last 4 rounds.
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Re: Your Calzaghe-Hopkins Scorecard
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Memphis
So we all agree that it was very very close then? Robbery ;D
It would have been an injustice had Hopkins been allowed to con his way to victory.
Well done Joe, a true champion.
I was surprised Calzaghe won close decision in USA, and im even more shocked 2 judges had him winning so wide.
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Re: Your Calzaghe-Hopkins Scorecard
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ICB
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BIG H
Such a hard fight to score. Infact the hardest to score since Hopkins Taylor 1 imo. I think we all agree it was VERY close
I don't think Taylor vs Hopkins 1 was that hard to score, Taylor pretty much clearly won most of the early rounds, with Hopkins at best winning 2 rounds out of the first 8 with 1 even round. Then Hopkins clearly won the last 4 rounds.
I agree with your scoring, but rounds 1-8 were so tight they could've gone either way. If you remember there was such a big differnce in so many peoples cards on here after that fight.
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Re: Your Calzaghe-Hopkins Scorecard
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Originally Posted by
JLAQ
120-108 Calzaghe, if not for the KD. Nard never won a round. He ran all night. Calzaghe, the aggressor, chased him like some dirty ex-con, bitch-slapped Nard like crazy, all the while being restrained by the biased referee. It was a masterclass in boxing. Grace under pressure. :cool:
You're getting slapped down with -27 REP for your comment. This is a forum and you're allowed your oppinion but this is rediculous... You do know this is a boxing forum, no?
The people that post here make intelligent comments that can be backed with fact... Not mindless drivle.
I've seen one post from you on this forum and it was idiotic... Hopkins didn't win a round? If you ever want some help on how to score a fight in regards to ring generalship, active agression and landing harder, cleaner shots let me know...
Clearly you need some help.
I love BHop but still scored the fight with Calzaghe winning by 1 pt.
Although I wanted Joe to lose I'm glad he got a fair decision here. I hate hometown bullshit.
... although I'm a hopkins fan... I don't deal in fan-boy bullshit either
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Re: Your Calzaghe-Hopkins Scorecard
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Originally Posted by
PRIDE OF BOSTON
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Originally Posted by
JLAQ
120-108 Calzaghe, if not for the KD. Nard never won a round. He ran all night. Calzaghe, the aggressor, chased him like some dirty ex-con, bitch-slapped Nard like crazy, all the while being restrained by the biased referee. It was a masterclass in boxing. Grace under pressure. :cool:
You're getting slapped down with -27 REP for your comment. This is a forum and you're allowed your oppinion but this is rediculous... You do know this is a boxing forum, no?
The people that post here make intelligent comments that can be backed with fact... Not mindless drivle.
I've seen one post from you on this forum and it was idiotic... Hopkins didn't win a round? If you ever want some help on how to score a fight in regards to ring generalship, active agression and landing harder, cleaner shots let me know...
Clearly you need some help.
I love BHop but still scored the fight with Calzaghe winning by 1 pt.
Although I wanted Joe to lose I'm glad he got a fair decision here. I hate hometown bullshit.
Look, if people can call the Floyd-Baldomir class a masterclass in boxing 120-108, when all he did was run in a fight officiated by a ref who said Floyd was the greatest, why can't we do the same with Calzaghe, who instead of running like Floyd, chased the bigger fighter in Hopkins, actually HURT Nard (did Floyd hurt Baldo?), all the while being prevented to let it all out by a ref who also thought Nard was the greatest?
In other words:
Floyd in Baldo ran for 12 rounds from a feather-fisted journeyman, w/ the ref rooting for him, did not hurt Baldo, gets a wide UD 120-108, while
Cal in Hop stalked the much bigger and so much more accomplished fighter in Hop (compared to Baldo that is), with the ref against him, hurt Nard at times, but only gets an SD 115-114?
There is no JUSTICE if that's how you see it.
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Re: Your Calzaghe-Hopkins Scorecard
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Originally Posted by
JLAQ
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Originally Posted by
PRIDE OF BOSTON
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Originally Posted by
JLAQ
120-108 Calzaghe, if not for the KD. Nard never won a round. He ran all night. Calzaghe, the aggressor, chased him like some dirty ex-con, bitch-slapped Nard like crazy, all the while being restrained by the biased referee. It was a masterclass in boxing. Grace under pressure. :cool:
You're getting slapped down with -27 REP for your comment. This is a forum and you're allowed your oppinion but this is rediculous... You do know this is a boxing forum, no?
The people that post here make intelligent comments that can be backed with fact... Not mindless drivle.
I've seen one post from you on this forum and it was idiotic... Hopkins didn't win a round? If you ever want some help on how to score a fight in regards to ring generalship, active agression and landing harder, cleaner shots let me know...
Clearly you need some help.
I love BHop but still scored the fight with Calzaghe winning by 1 pt.
Although I wanted Joe to lose I'm glad he got a fair decision here. I hate hometown bullshit.
Look, if people can call the Floyd-Baldomir class a masterclass in boxing 120-108, when all he did was run in a fight officiated by a ref who said Floyd was the greatest, why can't we do the same with Calzaghe, who instead of running like Floyd, chased the bigger fighter in Hopkins, actually HURT Nard (did Floyd hurt Baldo?), all the while being prevented to let it all out by a ref who also thought Nard was the greatest?
In other words:
Floyd in Baldo ran for 12 rounds from a feather-fisted journeyman, w/ the ref rooting for him, did not hurt Baldo, gets a wide UD 120-108, while
Cal in Hop stalked the much bigger and so much more accomplished fighter in Hop (compared to Baldo that is), with the ref against him, hurt Nard at times, but only gets an SD 115-114?
There is no JUSTICE if that's how you see it.
joe did not hurt hopkins. joe followed hopkins round the ring, majority of the time throwing ineffective flurries. rounds that joe won was because hopkins was too inactive. the hopkins that faced trinidad would of beat joe decisively
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Re: Your Calzaghe-Hopkins Scorecard
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Originally Posted by
JLAQ
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Originally Posted by
PRIDE OF BOSTON
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Originally Posted by
JLAQ
120-108 Calzaghe, if not for the KD. Nard never won a round. He ran all night. Calzaghe, the aggressor, chased him like some dirty ex-con, bitch-slapped Nard like crazy, all the while being restrained by the biased referee. It was a masterclass in boxing. Grace under pressure. :cool:
You're getting slapped down with -27 REP for your comment. This is a forum and you're allowed your oppinion but this is rediculous... You do know this is a boxing forum, no?
The people that post here make intelligent comments that can be backed with fact... Not mindless drivle.
I've seen one post from you on this forum and it was idiotic... Hopkins didn't win a round? If you ever want some help on how to score a fight in regards to ring generalship, active agression and landing harder, cleaner shots let me know...
Clearly you need some help.
I love BHop but still scored the fight with Calzaghe winning by 1 pt.
Although I wanted Joe to lose I'm glad he got a fair decision here. I hate hometown bullshit.
Look, if people can call the Floyd-Baldomir class a masterclass in boxing 120-108, when all he did was run in a fight officiated by a ref who said Floyd was the greatest, why can't we do the same with Calzaghe, who instead of running like Floyd, chased the bigger fighter in Hopkins, actually HURT Nard (did Floyd hurt Baldo?), all the while being prevented to let it all out by a ref who also thought Nard was the greatest?
In other words:
Floyd in Baldo ran for 12 rounds from a feather-fisted journeyman, w/ the ref rooting for him, did not hurt Baldo, gets a wide UD 120-108, while
Cal in Hop stalked the much bigger and so much more accomplished fighter in Hop (compared to Baldo that is), with the ref against him, hurt Nard at times, but only gets an SD 115-114?
There is no JUSTICE if that's how you see it.
Thats ridiculous comparison you really are a hater aren't you ?? the difference is Baldomir didn't land any solid shots on Mayweather in the entire fight he was dominated thats pretty obvious to see, where as Hopkins dropped Calzaghe, and he also landed the much more effective cleaner blows.
THATS WHY EVERYONE SCORED MAYWEATHER VS BALDOMIR 120-108, AND THATS WHY EVERYONE HAS HOPKINS VS CALZAGHE A CLOSE FIGHT, AND YOUR THE ONLY MORON WHO HAS IT THAT WIDE.
Hope that helps.
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Re: Your Calzaghe-Hopkins Scorecard
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Originally Posted by
JLAQ
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Originally Posted by
PRIDE OF BOSTON
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Originally Posted by
JLAQ
120-108 Calzaghe, if not for the KD. Nard never won a round. He ran all night. Calzaghe, the aggressor, chased him like some dirty ex-con, bitch-slapped Nard like crazy, all the while being restrained by the biased referee. It was a masterclass in boxing. Grace under pressure. :cool:
You're getting slapped down with -27 REP for your comment. This is a forum and you're allowed your oppinion but this is rediculous... You do know this is a boxing forum, no?
The people that post here make intelligent comments that can be backed with fact... Not mindless drivle.
I've seen one post from you on this forum and it was idiotic... Hopkins didn't win a round? If you ever want some help on how to score a fight in regards to ring generalship, active agression and landing harder, cleaner shots let me know...
Clearly you need some help.
I love BHop but still scored the fight with Calzaghe winning by 1 pt.
Although I wanted Joe to lose I'm glad he got a fair decision here. I hate hometown bullshit.
Look, if people can call the Floyd-Baldomir class a masterclass in boxing 120-108, when all he did was run in a fight officiated by a ref who said Floyd was the greatest, why can't we do the same with Calzaghe, who instead of running like Floyd, chased the bigger fighter in Hopkins, actually HURT Nard (did Floyd hurt Baldo?), all the while being prevented to let it all out by a ref who also thought Nard was the greatest?
In other words:
Floyd in Baldo ran for 12 rounds from a feather-fisted journeyman, w/ the ref rooting for him, did not hurt Baldo, gets a wide UD 120-108, while
Cal in Hop stalked the much bigger and so much more accomplished fighter in Hop (compared to Baldo that is), with the ref against him, hurt Nard at times, but only gets an SD 115-114?
There is no JUSTICE if that's how you see it.
#1 The only time Bernard was hurt was when he got cracked in the balls. (granted he should get an academy award for two of them...)
The only one I remember getting hurt was the one that got dropped on his shorts by a straight right hand...
#2 Bernard used lateral movement to turn Calzaghe and real him in. He didn't fight on his backfoot all night.
Did Calzaghe win the fight? It's up for debate but I think he did by a point. (and I'm American)
Can you in anyway call that UGLY fight a masterclass? Of course not.
A masterclass is what Calzaghe did to Lacy. As much as I am not a Joe C fan... I give credit where it's do which you are not. If you think that the Hopkins fight even slightly... slightly resembled the Lacy fight you're out of your mind.
There's a big difference between the way that Hokins fights and the way that PBF fights. Baldo was made to look like an amatuer and was unable to find PBF all night... BHop found Joe with counters and leaping straights that were the harder, more telling blows.
Did Nard do enough to win? Not in my book but no one... I repeat... NO ONE has and will never make bernard lose in a diffinitive manner. He is to good a tactitioner and to good at grinding the action down.
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Re: Your Calzaghe-Hopkins Scorecard
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Originally Posted by
ICB
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Originally Posted by
JLAQ
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Originally Posted by
PRIDE OF BOSTON
You're getting slapped down with -27 REP for your comment. This is a forum and you're allowed your oppinion but this is rediculous... You do know this is a boxing forum, no?
The people that post here make intelligent comments that can be backed with fact... Not mindless drivle.
I've seen one post from you on this forum and it was idiotic... Hopkins didn't win a round? If you ever want some help on how to score a fight in regards to ring generalship, active agression and landing harder, cleaner shots let me know...
Clearly you need some help.
I love BHop but still scored the fight with Calzaghe winning by 1 pt.
Although I wanted Joe to lose I'm glad he got a fair decision here. I hate hometown bullshit.
Look, if people can call the Floyd-Baldomir class a masterclass in boxing 120-108, when all he did was run in a fight officiated by a ref who said Floyd was the greatest, why can't we do the same with Calzaghe, who instead of running like Floyd, chased the bigger fighter in Hopkins, actually HURT Nard (did Floyd hurt Baldo?), all the while being prevented to let it all out by a ref who also thought Nard was the greatest?
In other words:
Floyd in Baldo ran for 12 rounds from a feather-fisted journeyman, w/ the ref rooting for him, did not hurt Baldo, gets a wide UD 120-108, while
Cal in Hop stalked the much bigger and so much more accomplished fighter in Hop (compared to Baldo that is), with the ref against him, hurt Nard at times, but only gets an SD 115-114?
There is no JUSTICE if that's how you see it.
Thats ridiculous comparison you really are a hater aren't you ?? the difference is Baldomir didn't land any solid shots on Mayweather in the entire fight he was dominated thats pretty obvious to see, where as Hopkins dropped Calzaghe, and he also landed the much more effective cleaner blows.
THATS WHY EVERYONE SCORED MAYWEATHER VS BALDOMIR 120-108, AND THATS WHY EVERYONE HAS HOPKINS VS CALZAGHE A CLOSE FIGHT, AND YOUR THE ONLY MORON WHO HAS IT THAT WIDE.
Hope that helps.
LOL and Floyd landed solid shots? You of all people, who said that Cal didnt land any on Nard, will now say that Floyd landed solid shots on Baldomir? Jesus Christ.
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Re: Your Calzaghe-Hopkins Scorecard
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Originally Posted by
JLAQ
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Originally Posted by
ICB
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Originally Posted by
JLAQ
Look, if people can call the Floyd-Baldomir class a masterclass in boxing 120-108, when all he did was run in a fight officiated by a ref who said Floyd was the greatest, why can't we do the same with Calzaghe, who instead of running like Floyd, chased the bigger fighter in Hopkins, actually HURT Nard (did Floyd hurt Baldo?), all the while being prevented to let it all out by a ref who also thought Nard was the greatest?
In other words:
Floyd in Baldo ran for 12 rounds from a feather-fisted journeyman, w/ the ref rooting for him, did not hurt Baldo, gets a wide UD 120-108, while
Cal in Hop stalked the much bigger and so much more accomplished fighter in Hop (compared to Baldo that is), with the ref against him, hurt Nard at times, but only gets an SD 115-114?
There is no JUSTICE if that's how you see it.
Thats ridiculous comparison you really are a hater aren't you ?? the difference is Baldomir didn't land any solid shots on Mayweather in the entire fight he was dominated thats pretty obvious to see, where as Hopkins dropped Calzaghe, and he also landed the much more effective cleaner blows.
THATS WHY EVERYONE SCORED MAYWEATHER VS BALDOMIR 120-108, AND THATS WHY EVERYONE HAS HOPKINS VS CALZAGHE A CLOSE FIGHT, AND YOUR THE ONLY MORON WHO HAS IT THAT WIDE.
Hope that helps.
LOL and Floyd landed solid shots? You of all people, who said that Cal didnt land any on Nard, will now say that Floyd landed solid shots on Baldomir? Jesus Christ.
Just answer me this your that moron from Boxingscene right ?? your that guy with that stupid body builder in your profile right ?? either that or your both just both morons. Calzaghe landed pitter patter on Hopkins why don't you study the fight and watch how many times Calzaghe hits Hopkins with those slapping flurry shots and actually show me where he lands a really hurtful shot on Hopkins ??, Mayweather hit Baldomir with solid right hands and jabs, he neutralized Baldomir's offense thats why he won 120-108, Hopkins vs Calzaghe was close because of the knockdown and because Hopkins landed the more effective shots thats why it was only SD win for Calzaghe thats pretty basic even for a tool like you sir.
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Re: Your Calzaghe-Hopkins Scorecard
#1 The only time Bernard was hurt was when he got cracked in the balls. (granted he should get an academy award for two of them...)
The only one I remember getting hurt was the one that got dropped on his shorts by a straight right hand...
#2 Bernard used lateral movement to turn Calzaghe and real him in. He didn't fight on his backfoot all night.
Did Calzaghe win the fight? It's up for debate but I think he did by a point. (and I'm American)
Can you in anyway call that UGLY fight a masterclass? Of course not.
A masterclass is what Calzaghe did to Lacy. As much as I am not a Joe C fan... I give credit where it's do which you are not. If you think that the Hopkins fight even slightly... slightly resembled the Lacy fight you're out of your mind.
There's a big difference between the way that Hokins fights and the way that PBF fights. Baldo was made to look like an amatuer and was unable to find PBF all night... BHop found Joe with counters and leaping straights that were the harder, more telling blows.
Did Nard do enough to win? Not in my book but no one... I repeat... NO ONE has and will never make bernard lose in a diffinitive manner. He is to good a tactitioner and to good at grinding the action down.
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Re: Your Calzaghe-Hopkins Scorecard
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ICB
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JLAQ
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ICB
Thats ridiculous comparison you really are a hater aren't you ?? the difference is Baldomir didn't land any solid shots on Mayweather in the entire fight he was dominated thats pretty obvious to see, where as Hopkins dropped Calzaghe, and he also landed the much more effective cleaner blows.
THATS WHY EVERYONE SCORED MAYWEATHER VS BALDOMIR 120-108, AND THATS WHY EVERYONE HAS HOPKINS VS CALZAGHE A CLOSE FIGHT, AND YOUR THE ONLY MORON WHO HAS IT THAT WIDE.
Hope that helps.
LOL and Floyd landed solid shots? You of all people, who said that Cal didnt land any on Nard, will now say that Floyd landed solid shots on Baldomir? Jesus Christ.
Just answer me this your that moron from Boxingscene right ?? your that guy with that stupid body builder in your profile right ?? either that or your both just both morons. Calzaghe landed pitter patter on Hopkins why don't you study the fight and watch how many times Calzaghe hits Hopkins with those slapping flurry shots and actually show me where he lands a really hurtful shot on Hopkins ??,
Mayweather hit Baldomir with solid right hands and jabs,
I stopped at there.
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Re: Your Calzaghe-Hopkins Scorecard
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Memphis
So we all agree that it was very very close then? Robbery ;D
It would have been an injustice had Hopkins been allowed to con his way to victory.
Well done Joe, a true champion.
I was surprised Calzaghe won close decision in USA, and im even more shocked 2 judges had him winning so wide.
Its Las Vegas. Above all they favor aggression and work rate.
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Re: Your Calzaghe-Hopkins Scorecard
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OumaFan
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ICB
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Memphis
So we all agree that it was very very close then? Robbery ;D
It would have been an injustice had Hopkins been allowed to con his way to victory.
Well done Joe, a true champion.
I was surprised Calzaghe won close decision in USA, and im even more shocked 2 judges had him winning so wide.
Its Las Vegas. Above all they favor aggression and work rate.
This is true... I can't blame them.
Hop fought well... Countered well... Look decent. Joe, saddly, did more to win. I hand it to him. Had him by a point over my boy.
