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It seems David Haye is committed to making this fight.....but for wanting this fight RIGHT NOW he should BE committed.
Haye is no Evander Holyfield....and Wlad has never really been pissed off by anyone that I recall....I don't think it's wise idea though
Wladimir pissed off could be a really scary sight...that guy can hit like a bus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Klitschko is right here though. Haye is an unknown quantity at this weight. If Haye was to fight 2 fringe contenders and win convincingly I am sure that it would become a big money fight. After all, who else is out there at heavyweight?
That's very true...with Sam Peter having a poor showing IMO vs Maskaev and Sultan Ibragimov not doing anything vs Wlad and Valuev and Chagaev thinking they are in some other division and not mingling with the other GOOD heavyweights....if Haye is able to beat say a Golota, Rahman, or a Shannon Briggs he'd be a great fight for Wlad.
Honestly I would want Haye to win a title before they fight so it could be a unification fight but as long as Haye is on the way up it's all good.
I just think Haye HAS to beat a big puncher at heavyweight before he will be able to CONTEND against Wladimir. I mean sure as hell can fight everyone else and all other styles and FIGHT Wlad but to actually have a shot he's going to have to get past a puncher.
If I'm Wlad I go for the KO from the moment the bell rings, no waiting around for Haye to come to you, he's talked too much to allow him any time in the spotlight.
Its no secret to anybody that I dont Like Wlad as a fighter but I definetly respect his class... As much as I am a Haye fan that confrontation lacked any class whatsoever..:-\
I found this this Quote quite gracious despite the tyrade of Haye.
"I understand he is young and enthusiastic but I am committed to my mandatory defence against Tony Thompson and I'm focusing on that."
It's going to be fun watching Haye get splattered on the canvas
That's the best thing about Haye.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Win or lose it's fun.
Yes indeed it will be. I actually like Haye. But I think Wlad is going to hurt the boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Haye should fight a few of the others first before messing with Haye or Peter.
Apart from those two I would fancy him against any of the other top ten.
But those two are just tooooooo big for him I feel :-\
Would love to see it mind :)
Haye would beat Sam Peter and maybe even stop him because his punches are shorter, he has faster hands, and he throws hooks and Sam Peter doesn't like the hooks
I can't wait to make a sig bet with you on this Lyle.
I hope this fight happens sooner than later.
Me and Mick got a sig ready on this. Haye will knock slapper out.
I see Haye's fans are just as delusional as he is :rolleyes:
MULTIPLE CHOICE QUESTION
Q: Who does this type of stuff?
1 - Successful UK fighters like Joe Calzaghe and Ricky Hatton
-OR-
2 - Shit UK fighters like Audley Harrison and Junior Witter
You can tell by the way David Haye is acting he's trying to cover up something people always are. He can know Wladimir's flaws inside and out and he is still going to have to work his ass off to win, which he's simply not going to do.
Haye got knocked down versus Mormeck with a left but I'm having a hard time remembering if he was hurt or not and I didn't write whether or not he was. Mormeck is a decent power puncher especially at cruiserweight but nothing compared to Wlad even though Wlad spends more time pawing with his left and knocking his opponents glove down rather then throwing it with power all the time.
Haye also likes to hold the left hand low and try to roll with right hands. He can roll perfectly with a Wlad right hand, it doesn't matter he isn't going to be able to eat Wlad right hands and stay upright.
The good news is he has considerable power himself and I believe that power will carry. No reason not to. And if he fights Wlad he will be the busiest fighter Wlad has ever seen and he won't be scared of Wlad. The only guy not to be tentative in the ring with Wlad lately was Peter and he was able to find Wlad with power.
It's a GREAT fight. I wouldn't mind seeing it made for tomorrow.
Would be a very similar story to that of haye-maccarineli in that it would probably come down to who landed the most devastating bombs early on.
Wlads ability to pour the jab would make him fave on the night, but peter, povetkin, rahman and even the hayemaker himself all have it within them to have Wlad spark out within the blink of an eye.
Haye is a unified world champion at 200, he doesnt need to spend 18 months fighting 3 bums before we realise he is ready for klitschko.
Start him off with a guinn/mccline
move him onto a british showdown with harrison/williams in england
put him in with maskaev or whoever is then the WBC holder
if all goes well by then, haye-klitschko possibly late 2009!!
I admit Haye is having an oral diarrhea right now, imo he always been like that. But he's the kind guy who can back his shit up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Lefty, Wlad is not slapper bro. But I suspect his chin will disappoint him.
Did you people who accuse Wlad of "pawing" so God damn much ever get a glance of the Wlad-Brewster II fight?
If that is pawing then I don't ever want to get pawed
As for the swatting down on the defense that he does...it makes for a WIDE OPEN right cross see Ray Mercer and Chris Byrd and Derrick Jefferson and Calvin Brock and Charles Shufford.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PQGMEVJbYY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpOYJiybS9w
Haye could potentially hurt Vlad, with his speed and Recklessness combined with some pop, but those same things could get him in serious trouble, and Vlad might knock him off the planet. I think Haye should take a fight or 2 at heavy before facing Vlad, but against some good fighters, not bums.
Obviously Haye wants the fast track to money and stardom, and I don't blame him, but IMO, he should have to beat at least 1 descent heavy before getting a shot.
Well he does paw a lot Lyle and you know that. He still has power and I think he has the bet jab in boxing but he does spend a lot of time with the left hand way out in front pawing. That's usually something he does early in fights and it's not a huge deal but if you're David Haye and you're looking for things to exploit, that's a good place to start.
And I know why he does chopping down but I doubt he does to Haye, to risky and not needed anyways because Haye puts the left hand at his hip.
"Haye puts the left hand at his hip."
.....well there's your problem :rolleyes:
I doubt he does that very long vs Wlad
You two make good point. And I'm afraid for that. I'm sure Haye's camp is aware of that already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Wlad does paw, but he paws with his left hand though. He normally uses it as a range finder.
And when he does find the range......Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_hiXBuxVuU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0K_LZDXp0I
Most guys don't fight better when they're angry, it throws them off. Wlad should just ignore what is said and stay focused.
Well you don't have to watch Haye very long to see where his problems are. He might not have it so dramatically low but he's not going to hold them high either, he likes to roll with shots rather then block them and no matter how high his left is, Wlad is still going to be able to fire over the top with his right. It's just a matter of who makes the other pay first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Wlad is going to have to put heat on Haye to win though, don't think he can afford to come in careful.
Haye is a great fighter..he's making a huge mistake jumping into the heavyweight pool head first. All this hoopla and shittalking will come back to bite him in the ass when he eventually does fight in this division (and it wont be klitchko i think he's knows that and is talking out of his ass right now) and looses before he even fights klitschko. He can ask edison miranda all about how it feels to harass a guy you're not ready for in the first place.
I know man I only say it to annoy all the Wlad fans ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftI admit Haye is having an oral diarrhea right now, imo he always been like that. But he's the kind guy who can back his shit up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Lefty, Wlad is not slapper bro. But I suspect his chin will disappoint him.
I like Haye hes not looking to pad his record ((hence the loss)) and he has a massive belife in himself...
i say its too soon but he might just be getting his face in there for a later event.... always in a hurry hurry that boy BUT in the world of fighters ducking each other its a breath of fresh air :cool:
You're right, he knows that Wlad is busy till early 2009, he's just getting his name up there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
Witter is not shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
You can use Audley and Pele Reid. Pele is the guy that KO'd Vitali. He is shit. Fact.
lol
junior witter - shit ??
he is boring to watch
uber defensive
way too cocky
and doesnt know when to keep his mouth shut...
but shit??
I take it you really havent seen too much of JW in action??:confused:
this bout will happen sooner or later. its hard at the moment to pick a winner until i see haye at heavyweight.
I reckon Haye stands a better chance than Sultan Ibragimov. I didn't hear anyone calling him crazy for wanting to fight Klitschko.
Sultan was an established fighter at heavyweight especially vs bigger guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesse James
Hell I think anyone who wants to fight Wlad is crazy to be honest with you
Probably the most level headed post about this whole topic so farQuote:
Originally Posted by ds91
Rep certainly deserved;)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
The Brewster II fight is a terrible example. Brewster shouldn't have been allowed in the ring - he was completely washed up and still Klitschko didn't impress. On medical grounds Brewster shouldn't have been in the ring due to all the eye problems he had, he took the fight as one last payday.
And when did beating a washed up hasbeen like Ray Merver suddenly become impressive. Derrick Jefferson was hardly a gifted fighter either - terrible stamina and far too easy to hit albeit entertaining.
I've just looked at Wlad's record and it is poor - he's just been beating faded hasbeens like Botha, Mercer, Brewster (rematch) etc and average Heavyweights like Monte Barrett while in between getting sparked twice.
Haye might be shouting his mouth off and probably realises that Klitschko is there for the taking. The man fights like a pacifist these days.(Wlad)
Klitschko is rubbish. He got beaten by Ross "The Boss" Purrity. When he does get beat he's terrified to get back in the ring with the guy who just beat him. He's no champion, just a six foot seven inch fraud. As soon as a decent heavyweight comes along he'll get beat again. If Haye is any good at heavyweight he'll flatten him.Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleSultan was an established fighter at heavyweight especially vs bigger guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesse James
Hell I think anyone who wants to fight Wlad is crazy to be honest with you
Whatever you say buddy....all I know is that Wlad will hurt Haye and has the chance to destroy David's career.
You see the shots Haye took vs Mormeck and Thompson....he just simply won't be able to take that from Wlad and walk away from it
If Haye can carry the weight at heavyweight he'll KO him just like Ross "The Boss" and, hilariously, Corrie Sanders did.
Uh huh :rolleyes: ......well if Haye plans on beating Wlad he had better try it Sanders' way instead of Purrity's or Brewster's way.
Purrity took massive punishment in the 11 rounds they fought. Wlad weighed only 225 at that point in time...I imagine he added power with the weight he has put on.
Brewster took a hell of a beating in their first fight and Wlad ran out of gas.
Sanders jumped on Wlad early HOWEVER Wlad gave up his height and reach in that fight and Sanders took advantage of that. Wlad has done no such thing in recent fights.
Haye is going to have to be VERY special to beat Wlad