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Ricky Hatton; Good Call.
Last Saturday night we saw a seemingly past prime Junior Witter defeated by Timothy Bradley.
Bradley although very fit and strong, was a fighther that was not yet at world level and Witter seems to have dropped from the public's ratings now.
I feel that Witter knew he was past his best. He realised he was coming to the end and he needed his meal ticket. Hatton is the meal ticket in the 140lb division and Witter manipulated the media in an attempt to get a shot.
Did he deserve it? Many will say yes, but apart from defeating an elderly Vivian Harris, Witter had done very little.
Hatton, despite widespread criticism stood firm denying Witter his payday, to our collective puzzlement.
Was Hatton afraid, did he see some threat? or did he genuinely believe that Witter did not deserve to make money of his name?
Brendan Ingle told me recently, that for his lads boxing was about making money. He says he takes care of his lads and helps them to make money to feed their families and live a little more comfortably. Witter was most probably trying to make money off Ricky's marketability.
Hatton fans were questioning why Ricky refused the fight, the media fell hook, line and sinker, chastising Hatton's "excuse."
Ricky got it right. Witter was only after money and Rick made the right call.
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Re: Ricky Hatton; Good Call.
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Originally Posted by
hitmandonny
Last Saturday night we saw a seemingly past prime Junior Witter defeated by Timothy Bradley.
Bradley although very fit and strong, was a fighther that was not yet at world level and Witter seems to have dropped from the public's ratings now.
I feel that Witter knew he was past his best. He realised he was coming to the end and he needed his meal ticket. Hatton is the meal ticket in the 140lb division and Witter manipulated the media in an attempt to get a shot.
Did he deserve it? Many will say yes, but apart from defeating an elderly Vivian Harris, Witter had done very little.
Hatton, despite widespread criticism stood firm denying Witter his payday, to our collective puzzlement.
Was Hatton afraid, did he see some threat? or did he genuinely believe that Witter did not deserve to make money of his name?
Brendan Ingle told me recently, that for his lads boxing was about making money. He says he takes care of his lads and helps them to make money to feed their families and live a little more comfortably. Witter was most probably trying to make money off Ricky's marketability.
Hatton fans were questioning why Ricky refused the fight, the media fell hook, line and sinker, chastising Hatton's "excuse."
Ricky got it right. Witter was only after money and Rick made the right call.
An interesting read HITMAN , its hard to say if you are right im sure only Ricky knows , but some fair points.
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Re: Ricky Hatton; Good Call.
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
hitmandonny
Last Saturday night we saw a seemingly past prime Junior Witter defeated by Timothy Bradley.
Bradley although very fit and strong, was a fighther that was not yet at world level and Witter seems to have dropped from the public's ratings now.
I feel that Witter knew he was past his best. He realised he was coming to the end and he needed his meal ticket. Hatton is the meal ticket in the 140lb division and Witter manipulated the media in an attempt to get a shot.
Did he deserve it? Many will say yes, but apart from defeating an elderly Vivian Harris, Witter had done very little.
Hatton, despite widespread criticism stood firm denying Witter his payday, to our collective puzzlement.
Was Hatton afraid, did he see some threat? or did he genuinely believe that Witter did not deserve to make money of his name?
Brendan Ingle told me recently, that for his lads boxing was about making money. He says he takes care of his lads and helps them to make money to feed their families and live a little more comfortably. Witter was most probably trying to make money off Ricky's marketability.
Hatton fans were questioning why Ricky refused the fight, the media fell hook, line and sinker, chastising Hatton's "excuse."
Ricky got it right. Witter was only after money and Rick made the right call.
An interesting read HITMAN , its hard to say if you are right im sure only Ricky knows , but some fair points.
Lord knows I'm a Ricky fan, but from speaking with (drunken) Ricky and Brendan Ingle within the last couple of months, this is what I come up with.
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Re: Ricky Hatton; Good Call.
See from my point of veiw Hatton was hoping someone would floor witter before Ricky would have to deal with him.
In other words Ricky didn't want a nights hard work for really speaking zero reward,apart from the title but theres 4 others there so he's not exactly got limited options.
At the end of the day like you said he made a good call.
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Re: Ricky Hatton; Good Call.
Well i personally think Hatton was waiting for one of two things.
1) He was letting Witter manipulate the media into thinking he is being avoided. This way Witter's popularity increases ten fold and a big money unification is there for both of them to earn mega money from......in 2009, providing Witter is still the champ and Hatton has beaten Paulie (the other threat at 140).
2) He wasn't that arsed about fighting him and he expected the Witter hype to die down once he shows his natural form et al Lynes, Kotelnik etc...which he did on Saturday night.
I don't think he's arsed either way. Aswell as Witter being in it for the money, i think Hatton is too and he'd sooner just fight Mayweather again purely for the money he would stand to make. Hatton didn't need Witter to make money. Hatton is already a massive draw. Hatton didn't need Witter anymore than he needed Torres, Kotelnik etc...
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Re: Ricky Hatton; Good Call.
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Originally Posted by
Tins06
See from my point of veiw Hatton was hoping someone would floor witter before Ricky would have to deal with him.
In other words Ricky didn't want a nights hard work for really speaking zero reward,apart from the title but theres 4 others there so he's not exactly got limited options.
At the end of the day like you said he made a good call.
I mentioned him to Ricky before, he said something along the lines
"I'd stop him, he knows that and he still wants money."
Brendan Ingle said to me;
"Boxing is about making money, if you're going to get hit in the head, you might aswell be paid for it."
and
"Every fighter has a limit and the money they can make, but if they can bluff past that, they've made a profit and it hasn't hurt their repuatation." (Rees.)
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Re: Ricky Hatton; Good Call.
Name a fighter that isn't in it for the money?
Ricky's BEST excuse for dodging Witter has always been to prevent him from a huge payday. He GENUINELY dislikes him. So stopping Witter from cashing in was the worst thing he could possibly do to him.
"Fighters want to fight for titles, but not as much as we want to fight for MONEY." Roy Jones jr
;)
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Re: Ricky Hatton; Good Call.
I personally think Hatton made a mistake here I have wanted to see the Witter fight for years and now looks sure it will never happen,
had Hatton fought Witter instead of Juan lacuzo he would have had the opportunity to say he is going straight in with the best at LWW and had the Witter that turned up on Saturday turned up Hatton would have blown him away and looked good doing it
I don't think there are that many great fights out there for Hatton at the moment (Malignaggi is made for Hatton)
I would have loved to watch hatton destroy Witter at COMS and financial and for this legacy it would have made sense to go straight in for a title fight particular if he was so confident
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Re: Ricky Hatton; Good Call.
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Originally Posted by
hitmandonny
Last Saturday night we saw a seemingly past prime Junior Witter defeated by Timothy Bradley.
Bradley although very fit and strong, was a fighther that was not yet at world level and Witter seems to have dropped from the public's ratings now.
I feel that Witter knew he was past his best. He realised he was coming to the end and he needed his meal ticket. Hatton is the meal ticket in the 140lb division and Witter manipulated the media in an attempt to get a shot.
Did he deserve it? Many will say yes, but apart from defeating an elderly Vivian Harris, Witter had done very little.
Hatton, despite widespread criticism stood firm denying Witter his payday, to our collective puzzlement.
Was Hatton afraid, did he see some threat? or did he genuinely believe that Witter did not deserve to make money of his name?
Brendan Ingle told me recently, that for his lads boxing was about making money. He says he takes care of his lads and helps them to make money to feed their families and live a little more comfortably. Witter was most probably trying to make money off Ricky's marketability.
Hatton fans were questioning why Ricky refused the fight, the media fell hook, line and sinker, chastising Hatton's "excuse."
Ricky got it right. Witter was only after money and Rick made the right call.
The only flaw in your reasoning is that Witter's been calling out Hatton for 8 years, far before his skills had started to diminish.
Hatton was rightly chastised for his dumbass 'excuse', before saturday night Witter was widely considered no.2 in the division behind Hatton, he was a local rival and the fans wanted to see the fight.
If Hatton really believed that Witter was there for the taking, and that Witter was only calling him out for the money, wouldn't it have made much more sense for Hatton to fight Witter rather than Lazcano? since he'd be fighting a much more highly regarded opponent, he'd get a presitgious belt, and he'd have shut Witter up for ever, effectively killing THREE birds with one stone.
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Re: Ricky Hatton; Good Call.
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
Name a fighter that isn't in it for the money?
Ricky's BEST excuse for dodging Witter has always been to prevent him from a huge payday. He GENUINELY dislikes him. So stopping Witter from cashing in was the worst thing he could possibly do to him.
"Fighters want to fight for titles, but not as much as we want to fight for MONEY." Roy Jones jr
;)
Marco Antonio Barrera
Calvin Brock
Juan Diaz
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Originally Posted by
sonny78
I personally think Hatton made a mistake here I have wanted to see the Witter fight for years and now looks sure it will never happen,
had Hatton fought Witter instead of Juan lacuzo he would have had the opportunity to say he is going straight in with the best at LWW and had the Witter that turned up on Saturday turned up Hatton would have blown him away and looked good doing it
I don't think there are that many great fights out there for Hatton at the moment (Malignaggi is made for Hatton)
I would have loved to watch hatton destroy Witter at COMS and financial and for this legacy it would have made sense to go straight in for a title fight particular if he was so confident
Witter has a style to make Hatton look horrible in victory. Witter's style would have Hatton (the champ) chase and work all night long.
Why would he bother when he can KO Lazcano (I PRESUME) save himself time and keep repuatation.
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Originally Posted by
Bomp
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Originally Posted by
hitmandonny
Last Saturday night we saw a seemingly past prime Junior Witter defeated by Timothy Bradley.
Bradley although very fit and strong, was a fighther that was not yet at world level and Witter seems to have dropped from the public's ratings now.
I feel that Witter knew he was past his best. He realised he was coming to the end and he needed his meal ticket. Hatton is the meal ticket in the 140lb division and Witter manipulated the media in an attempt to get a shot.
Did he deserve it? Many will say yes, but apart from defeating an elderly Vivian Harris, Witter had done very little.
Hatton, despite widespread criticism stood firm denying Witter his payday, to our collective puzzlement.
Was Hatton afraid, did he see some threat? or did he genuinely believe that Witter did not deserve to make money of his name?
Brendan Ingle told me recently, that for his lads boxing was about making money. He says he takes care of his lads and helps them to make money to feed their families and live a little more comfortably. Witter was most probably trying to make money off Ricky's marketability.
Hatton fans were questioning why Ricky refused the fight, the media fell hook, line and sinker, chastising Hatton's "excuse."
Ricky got it right. Witter was only after money and Rick made the right call.
The only flaw in your reasoning is that Witter's been calling out Hatton for 8 years, far before his skills had started to diminish.
Hatton was rightly chastised for his dumbass 'excuse', before saturday night Witter was widely considered no.2 in the division behind Hatton, he was a local rival and the fans wanted to see the fight.
If Hatton really believed that Witter was there for the taking, and that Witter was only calling him out for the money, wouldn't it have made much more sense for Hatton to fight Witter rather than Lazcano? since he'd be fighting a much more highly regarded opponent, he'd get a presitgious belt, and he'd have shut Witter up for ever, effectively killing THREE birds with one stone.
Witter was calling out Ricky for a British Title shot originally. Hatton was moving on to the world scene at that stage.
And why is it that Ricky was always at the place Junior wanted to be before Junior could get there?
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Re: Ricky Hatton; Good Call.
Just because a fighter has an education, indicating they don't "need" to fight to earn, it doesn't mean their boxing career is not determined by money.
Do you believe they fight for fun? If so, they must be a dream to promoters all over the world ;)
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Re: Ricky Hatton; Good Call.
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
Just because a fighter has an education, indicating they don't "need" to fight to earn, it doesn't mean their boxing career is not determined by money.
Do you believe they fight for fun? If so, they must be a dream to promoters all over the world ;)
MAB, reportedly at the top of his law class.
Could have travelled the world as a lawyer and made money easier.
Calvin Brock, a banker who made huge money before entering boxing. Chose to box.
Juan Diaz, an honour student, studying Law. Could/Can make a lot of money eaier than boxing.
Evander Holyfield.
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Re: Ricky Hatton; Good Call.
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Originally Posted by
hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
Just because a fighter has an education, indicating they don't "need" to fight to earn, it doesn't mean their boxing career is not determined by money.
Do you believe they fight for fun? If so, they must be a dream to promoters all over the world ;)
MAB, reportedly at the top of his law class.
Could have travelled the world as a lawyer and made money easier.
Calvin Brock, a banker who made huge money before entering boxing. Chose to box.
Juan Diaz, an honour student, studying Law. Could/Can make a lot of money eaier than boxing.
Evander Holyfield.
Ohhh, Donny , i think that you maybe miss , The Principe " Hazim Hammed " , he was another Millionaire that chossed to Boxing too , because he liked it.............;D
Obviously , i never liked him like a Boxer , THANKS to Marcos Antonio Barrera took him out of Boxing...........
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Re: Ricky Hatton; Good Call.
i never liked witter and i knew he was overated. Hatton would beat Witter by late stoppage or UD.
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Re: Ricky Hatton; Good Call.
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Originally Posted by
hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
Just because a fighter has an education, indicating they don't "need" to fight to earn, it doesn't mean their boxing career is not determined by money.
Do you believe they fight for fun? If so, they must be a dream to promoters all over the world ;)
MAB, reportedly at the top of his law class.
Could have travelled the world as a lawyer and made money easier.
Calvin Brock, a banker who made huge money before entering boxing. Chose to box.
Juan Diaz, an honour student, studying Law. Could/Can make a lot of money eaier than boxing.
Evander Holyfield.
Just because a fighter has an education, indicating they don't "need" to fight to earn, it doesn't mean their boxing career is not determined by money.
Do you believe they fight for fun? If so, they must be a dream to promoters all over the world ;)
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Re: Ricky Hatton; Good Call.
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Originally Posted by
hitmandonny
Last Saturday night we saw a seemingly past prime Junior Witter defeated by Timothy Bradley.
Bradley although very fit and strong, was a fighther that was not yet at world level and Witter seems to have dropped from the public's ratings now.
I feel that Witter knew he was past his best. He realised he was coming to the end and he needed his meal ticket. Hatton is the meal ticket in the 140lb division and Witter manipulated the media in an attempt to get a shot.
Did he deserve it? Many will say yes, but apart from defeating an elderly Vivian Harris, Witter had done very little.
Hatton, despite widespread criticism stood firm denying Witter his payday, to our collective puzzlement.
Was Hatton afraid, did he see some threat? or did he genuinely believe that Witter did not deserve to make money of his name?
Brendan Ingle told me recently, that for his lads boxing was about making money. He says he takes care of his lads and helps them to make money to feed their families and live a little more comfortably. Witter was most probably trying to make money off Ricky's marketability.
Hatton fans were questioning why Ricky refused the fight, the media fell hook, line and sinker, chastising Hatton's "excuse."
Ricky got it right. Witter was only after money and Rick made the right call.
The fact of the matter is, a fight between Hatton and Witter made a lot of sense, since Witter was the CHAMPION and both are BRITS, which made the fight logical financially. It was the best fight out there at 140 for Hatton, certainly much better than a fight against Lazcano and the weak hitting Paulie. Hatton is still a punk in my book for ducking Witter.
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Re: Ricky Hatton; Good Call.
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
Just because a fighter has an education, indicating they don't "need" to fight to earn, it doesn't mean their boxing career is not determined by money.
Do you believe they fight for fun? If so, they must be a dream to promoters all over the world ;)
MAB, reportedly at the top of his law class.
Could have travelled the world as a lawyer and made money easier.
Calvin Brock, a banker who made huge money before entering boxing. Chose to box.
Juan Diaz, an honour student, studying Law. Could/Can make a lot of money eaier than boxing.
Evander Holyfield.
Just because a fighter has an education, indicating they don't "need" to fight to earn, it doesn't mean their boxing career is not determined by money.
Do you believe they fight for fun? If so, they must be a dream to promoters all over the world ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22Sie...eature=related
;D
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Re: Ricky Hatton; Good Call.
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Originally Posted by
Macho
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Originally Posted by
hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
Just because a fighter has an education, indicating they don't "need" to fight to earn, it doesn't mean their boxing career is not determined by money.
Do you believe they fight for fun? If so, they must be a dream to promoters all over the world ;)
MAB, reportedly at the top of his law class.
Could have travelled the world as a lawyer and made money easier.
Calvin Brock, a banker who made huge money before entering boxing. Chose to box.
Juan Diaz, an honour student, studying Law. Could/Can make a lot of money eaier than boxing.
Evander Holyfield.
Ohhh, Donny , i think that you maybe miss , The Principe " Hazim Hammed " , he was another Millionaire that chossed to Boxing too , because he liked it.............;D
Obviously , i never liked him like a Boxer , THANKS to Marcos Antonio Barrera took him out of Boxing...........
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Originally Posted by
Rican
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Originally Posted by
hitmandonny
Last Saturday night we saw a seemingly past prime Junior Witter defeated by Timothy Bradley.
Bradley although very fit and strong, was a fighther that was not yet at world level and Witter seems to have dropped from the public's ratings now.
I feel that Witter knew he was past his best. He realised he was coming to the end and he needed his meal ticket. Hatton is the meal ticket in the 140lb division and Witter manipulated the media in an attempt to get a shot.
Did he deserve it? Many will say yes, but apart from defeating an elderly Vivian Harris, Witter had done very little.
Hatton, despite widespread criticism stood firm denying Witter his payday, to our collective puzzlement.
Was Hatton afraid, did he see some threat? or did he genuinely believe that Witter did not deserve to make money of his name?
Brendan Ingle told me recently, that for his lads boxing was about making money. He says he takes care of his lads and helps them to make money to feed their families and live a little more comfortably. Witter was most probably trying to make money off Ricky's marketability.
Hatton fans were questioning why Ricky refused the fight, the media fell hook, line and sinker, chastising Hatton's "excuse."
Ricky got it right. Witter was only after money and Rick made the right call.
The fact of the matter is, a fight between Hatton and Witter made a lot of sense, since Witter was the CHAMPION and both are BRITS, which made the fight logical financially. It was the best fight out there at 140 for Hatton, certainly much better than a fight against Lazcano and the weak hitting Paulie. Hatton is still a punk in my book for ducking Witter.
Now when you reply to this keep in mind I'm very close to neg repping you, so provide some logical back up to your reply.
Hatton cannot be deemed to have ducked Witter. Hatton openly refused to give Witter a fight because he did not want to allow Witter to make money off his name.
Witter proved last Saturday that he was not on Hatton's level.
Witter after last Saturday's performance is not on Paulie's level either.
Witter never beat anyone that merited a shot at the No.1 spot.
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Re: Ricky Hatton; Good Call.
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Witter has a style to make Hatton look horrible in victory. Witter's style would have Hatton (the champ) chase and work all night long.
Why would he bother when he can KO Lazcano (I PRESUME) save himself time and keep repuatation.
Its a risk Hatton should have took in my opinion I think him and his people missed the opportunity, his (Witter) stock was so high at the moment quite possibly overrated but he was still the WBC Champ and taking that scalp straight after a loss would have been a great move
Imagine Hatton was in the Ring on Saturday he would have demolished Witter
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why he should bother when he can KO Lazcano to keep his reputation
KO'ing Lazcano doesn't enhance Hattons reputation at all it just shows hes taking the easy option and just fighting for the money something you seem not to like, I definitely dont I want to see Hatton get the belts back and fight the best available
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Witter's style would have Hatton (the champ) chase and work all night long.
Isn't this what hatton does best?
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Re: Ricky Hatton; Good Call.
Most of us thought hatton could beat witter. For me it was hatton himself who started to give me doubts. Hatton going out of his way to avoid him still looks bad imo. As soon as the fight ended i knew hatton would use this as a so called i told ya so, but in reality no one well almost no one saw this coming, or hatton himself would have said so before the fight.
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Re: Ricky Hatton; Good Call.
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Hatton cannot be deemed to have ducked Witter. Hatton openly refused to give Witter a fight because he did not want to allow Witter to make money off his name.
Just to be clear I dont think Hatton ducked Witter I think Hatton always wanted to beat Witter, I dont like the money excuse if your a financially well off fighter dont deny a fellow fight the chance of making some money if they have ernt it by becoming champion, even if you dont like him, I dont think Hatton is truly like that
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Witter proved last Saturday that he was not on Hatton's level.
Maybe or maybe he is a talented fight who had a bad night either way Hatton would of and should have beat him
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Re: Ricky Hatton; Good Call.
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Originally Posted by
sonny78
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Hatton cannot be deemed to have ducked Witter. Hatton openly refused to give Witter a fight because he did not want to allow Witter to make money off his name.
Just to be clear I dont think Hatton ducked Witter I think Hatton always wanted to beat Witter, I dont like the money excuse if your a financially well off fighter dont deny a fellow fight the chance of making some money if they have ernt it by becoming champion, even if you dont like him, I dont think Hatton is truly like that
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Witter proved last Saturday that he was not on Hatton's level.
Maybe or maybe he is a talented fight who had a bad night either way Hatton would of and should have beat him
You might call it a bad night for Witter on saturday but if you look back at his previous fights like Lynes ,Kotelnik and N'dou he never looked good then either so where the bad nights or was he over rated.I think he has been over rated but he can bang with either hand.
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Re: Ricky Hatton; Good Call.
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Originally Posted by
hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by
Macho
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Originally Posted by
hitmandonny
MAB, reportedly at the top of his law class.
Could have travelled the world as a lawyer and made money easier.
Calvin Brock, a banker who made huge money before entering boxing. Chose to box.
Juan Diaz, an honour student, studying Law. Could/Can make a lot of money eaier than boxing.
Evander Holyfield.
Ohhh, Donny , i think that you maybe miss , The Principe " Hazim Hammed " , he was another Millionaire that chossed to Boxing too , because he liked it.............;D
Obviously , i never liked him like a Boxer , THANKS to Marcos Antonio Barrera took him out of Boxing...........
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Originally Posted by
Rican
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Originally Posted by
hitmandonny
Last Saturday night we saw a seemingly past prime Junior Witter defeated by Timothy Bradley.
Bradley although very fit and strong, was a fighther that was not yet at world level and Witter seems to have dropped from the public's ratings now.
I feel that Witter knew he was past his best. He realised he was coming to the end and he needed his meal ticket. Hatton is the meal ticket in the 140lb division and Witter manipulated the media in an attempt to get a shot.
Did he deserve it? Many will say yes, but apart from defeating an elderly Vivian Harris, Witter had done very little.
Hatton, despite widespread criticism stood firm denying Witter his payday, to our collective puzzlement.
Was Hatton afraid, did he see some threat? or did he genuinely believe that Witter did not deserve to make money of his name?
Brendan Ingle told me recently, that for his lads boxing was about making money. He says he takes care of his lads and helps them to make money to feed their families and live a little more comfortably. Witter was most probably trying to make money off Ricky's marketability.
Hatton fans were questioning why Ricky refused the fight, the media fell hook, line and sinker, chastising Hatton's "excuse."
Ricky got it right. Witter was only after money and Rick made the right call.
The fact of the matter is, a fight between Hatton and Witter made a lot of sense, since Witter was the CHAMPION and both are BRITS, which made the fight logical financially. It was the best fight out there at 140 for Hatton, certainly much better than a fight against Lazcano and the weak hitting Paulie. Hatton is still a punk in my book for ducking Witter.
Now when you reply to this keep in mind I'm very close to neg repping you, so provide some logical back up to your reply.
Hatton cannot be deemed to have ducked Witter. Hatton openly refused to give Witter a fight because he did not want to allow Witter to make money off his name.
Witter proved last Saturday that he was not on Hatton's level.
Witter after last Saturday's performance is not on Paulie's level either.
Witter never beat anyone that merited a shot at the No.1 spot.
Before sturday Witter had a better (evens at worse) resume than Paulie. No other LWW comes close to meriting a shot at no.1 than Witter.
WHO did Hatton beat to merit a shot at no.1 Kostya?
WHO did, URANGO, MAUSSA, CASTILLO, LAZCANO beat to merit a shot at the no.1 Hatton?
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Re: Ricky Hatton; Good Call.
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Originally Posted by
Bomp
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Originally Posted by
hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by
Macho
Ohhh, Donny , i think that you maybe miss , The Principe " Hazim Hammed " , he was another Millionaire that chossed to Boxing too , because he liked it.............;D
Obviously , i never liked him like a Boxer , THANKS to Marcos Antonio Barrera took him out of Boxing...........
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Originally Posted by
Rican
The fact of the matter is, a fight between Hatton and Witter made a lot of sense, since Witter was the CHAMPION and both are BRITS, which made the fight logical financially. It was the best fight out there at 140 for Hatton, certainly much better than a fight against Lazcano and the weak hitting Paulie. Hatton is still a punk in my book for ducking Witter.
Now when you reply to this keep in mind I'm very close to neg repping you, so provide some logical back up to your reply.
Hatton cannot be deemed to have ducked Witter. Hatton openly refused to give Witter a fight because he did not want to allow Witter to make money off his name.
Witter proved last Saturday that he was not on Hatton's level.
Witter after last Saturday's performance is not on Paulie's level either.
Witter never beat anyone that merited a shot at the No.1 spot.
Before sturday Witter had a better (evens at worse) resume than Paulie. No other LWW comes close to meriting a shot at no.1 than Witter.
WHO did Hatton beat to merit a shot at no.1 Kostya?
WHO did, URANGO, MAUSSA, CASTILLO, LAZCANO beat to merit a shot at the no.1 Hatton?
Urango was champion when Hatton fought him,Ricky was stepping back down from WW to win his old belt back off Urango.
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Re: Ricky Hatton; Good Call.
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Originally Posted by
littlebif
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Originally Posted by
Bomp
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Originally Posted by
hitmandonny
Now when you reply to this keep in mind I'm very close to neg repping you, so provide some logical back up to your reply.
Hatton cannot be deemed to have ducked Witter. Hatton openly refused to give Witter a fight because he did not want to allow Witter to make money off his name.
Witter proved last Saturday that he was not on Hatton's level.
Witter after last Saturday's performance is not on Paulie's level either.
Witter never beat anyone that merited a shot at the No.1 spot.
Before sturday Witter had a better (evens at worse) resume than Paulie. No other LWW comes close to meriting a shot at no.1 than Witter.
WHO did Hatton beat to merit a shot at no.1 Kostya?
WHO did, URANGO, MAUSSA, CASTILLO, LAZCANO beat to merit a shot at the no.1 Hatton?
Urango was champion when Hatton fought him,Ricky was stepping back down from WW to win his old belt back off Urango.
Urango didn't even win the fight he was gifted that belt in, he still got Hatton as his next fight.
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Bomp
Before sturday Witter had a better (evens at worse) resume than Paulie. No other LWW comes close to meriting a shot at no.1 than Witter.
WHO did Hatton beat to merit a shot at no.1 Kostya?
WHO did, URANGO, MAUSSA, CASTILLO, LAZCANO beat to merit a shot at the no.1 Hatton?
Urango was champion when Hatton fought him,Ricky was stepping back down from WW to win his old belt back off Urango.
Urango didn't even win the fight he was gifted that belt in, he still got Hatton as his next fight.
here here, I had Ben Rabah up 9 rounds to 3. Urango only won the 5th, 11th and 12th rounds.
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Witter looked crap over the weekend but how some of you can turn this into a masterplan from Ricky is totally laughble...
i for one am sad they did not fight... on last weekends showing Ricky ((if he has the form of old that is)) would have won a fantastic english rivalry and gave his fans the "REAL HOMECOMING" instead of the farce they are touting now.
Really frustrated that this fight didnt happen and i'm sure there isnt a Hatton fan about who would not have rather seen Ricky demolish Witter instead.
but how some of you can say he aint giving Witter a pay day blah blah you are fans of the sport not how much a fighter gets paid..... Witter was no2 hatton was no 1 in the UK and for me i couldn't give a rats arse how much they got paid it was a fight that should have been made but Ricky denied the fans the chance of seeing it because he didnt like witter.....it stinks IMO.
this fight is now a lost event that would have been a huge in the UK.
Cheers Ricky :rolleyes:
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Witter looked crap over the weekend but how some of you can turn this into a masterplan from Ricky is totally laughble...
i for one am sad they did not fight... on last weekends showing Ricky ((if he has the form of old that is)) would have won a fantastic english rivalry and gave his fans the "REAL HOMECOMING" instead of the farce they are touting now.
Really frustrated that this fight didnt happen and i'm sure there isnt a Hatton fan about who would not have rather seen Ricky demolish Witter instead.
but how some of you can say he aint giving Witter a pay day blah blah you are fans of the sport not how much a fighter gets paid..... Witter was no2 hatton was no 1 in the UK and for me i couldn't give a rats arse how much they got paid it was a fight that should have been made but Ricky denied the fans the chance of seeing it because he didnt like witter.....it stinks IMO.
this fight is now a lost event that would have been a huge in the UK.
Cheers Ricky
I am a Ricky fan, this is exactly how I feel about the situation
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It gets a little old, the whole who's ducking who thing.
Let me tell you, this is a business. Hatton had little reason to fight Witter before as there was not as much money in it and he had his sites set on bigger things. If Witter could've made him the most money he would've fought him. He's coming off a KO now so he needs an easier fight in order to position himself for more money in the long run.
When you become the big draw everyone calls you out. You know how many times Sugar Ray Leonard got called out in the 80s, when he was the biggest draw.
Oscar has been called out by every single fighter from 130 to 175, why? Because he's the biggest money maker for them. I'd call him out too, maybe he'll listen and you'll get paid.
Everyone calls Floyd out now because he is the top gun, you know what? Floyd called a ton of guys out early in his career and was ignored because there was not much money in it for them. I've spent most of my life around boxers and these guys aren't scared of anyone. It takes a massive ego to do what they do in front of the huge crowds, they don't think there is a fighter they can't whoop.
Its the same for all of boxing history, the top fighters get to pick among the guys who call them out. You wait, even tough guy Cotto will be ignoring fighters who call him out in the following years as he becomes a huge draw.
Its a business! Nobodies ducking nobody, they're just waiting to get paid. I guess its the discussion and debate like this that generates the money in the long run though.
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Ohhh, Donny , i think that you maybe miss , The Principe " Hazim Hammed " , he was another Millionaire that chossed to Boxing too , because he liked it.............;D
Obviously , i never liked him like a Boxer , THANKS to Marcos Antonio Barrera took him out of Boxing...........
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The fact of the matter is, a fight between Hatton and Witter made a lot of sense, since Witter was the CHAMPION and both are BRITS, which made the fight logical financially. It was the best fight out there at 140 for Hatton, certainly much better than a fight against Lazcano and the weak hitting Paulie. Hatton is still a punk in my book for ducking Witter.
Now when you reply to this keep in mind I'm very close to neg repping you, so provide some logical back up to your reply.
Hatton cannot be deemed to have ducked Witter. Hatton openly refused to give Witter a fight because he did not want to allow Witter to make money off his name.
Witter proved last Saturday that he was not on Hatton's level.
Witter after last Saturday's performance is not on Paulie's level either.
Witter never beat anyone that merited a shot at the No.1 spot.
Before sturday Witter had a better (evens at worse) resume than Paulie. No other LWW comes close to meriting a shot at no.1 than Witter.
WHO did Hatton beat to merit a shot at no.1 Kostya?
WHO did, URANGO, MAUSSA, CASTILLO, LAZCANO beat to merit a shot at the no.1 Hatton?
Witter beat nobody apart from a young Kotelnik and Vivian Harris!
Urango had a belt.
Maussa also had a belt.
Castillo is a legend in the sport.
And Lazcano was a supreme lightweight.
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Urango had a belt.
Maussa also had a belt.
Witter had a belt
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Urango had a belt.
Maussa also had a belt.
Witter had a belt
Not now he doesn't.
Paulie fought Cotto.
Witter fought Vivian harris.
Who do you think has more credibility?
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Not now he doesn't.
Paulie fought Cotto.
Witter fought Vivian harris.
Who do you think has more credibility?
Witter had the beltand was ranked no 1 or 2, simple! it would have been a good fight we all wanted to see it its not now going to happen
I am going to leave it at that Donny and we will have to disagree
Personally I would rarther see him fight Witter than Paulie I see a very easy night for Hatton against feather fisted Malignaggi
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Not now he doesn't.
Paulie fought Cotto.
Witter fought Vivian harris.
Who do you think has more credibility?
Witter had the beltand was ranked no 1 or 2, simple! it would have been a good fight we all wanted to see it its not now going to happen
I am going to leave it at that Donny and we will have to disagree
Personally I would rarther see him fight Witter than Paulie I see a very easy night for Hatton against feather fisted Malignaggi
I don't want to ignite an arguement, but Witter's ranking at No.2 (after Hatton) was more a reflection on the lack of depth in the Light Welterweight division at the moment.
People continue to complain that Ricky hasn't fought anyone since Tszyu.
But in trurth there are very few others remaining at Light Welter. Since Cotto's immigration all that remains is Paulie, Torres, Kotelnik, Witter and D-Hop.
Although Bradley can now be added to that list, it is clear that there is little flexibility in the division.
Witter demanded his hot, but in truth, what sort of a fight woulkd it make?
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Witter looked crap over the weekend but how some of you can turn this into a masterplan from Ricky is totally laughble...
i for one am sad they did not fight... on last weekends showing Ricky ((if he has the form of old that is)) would have won a fantastic english rivalry and gave his fans the "REAL HOMECOMING" instead of the farce they are touting now.
Really frustrated that this fight didnt happen and i'm sure there isnt a Hatton fan about who would not have rather seen Ricky demolish Witter instead.
but how some of you can say he aint giving Witter a pay day blah blah you are fans of the sport not how much a fighter gets paid..... Witter was no2 hatton was no 1 in the UK and for me i couldn't give a rats arse how much they got paid it was a fight that should have been made but Ricky denied the fans the chance of seeing it because he didnt like witter.....it stinks IMO.
this fight is now a lost event that would have been a huge in the UK.
Cheers Ricky :rolleyes:
Yeah I'm with you Saddo, even as a Ricky fan. Ricky should have been in that ring Saturday night and he would have beaten Witter worse than Bradly did IMO. I'm sure Hatton would be more keen to make the fight now but obviously the demand is down the shitter.
Ricky missed out on what could have been another great win of his career, beat a long term domestic rival in Witter and then maybe go for a big money fight again.
I can see why (if it's the case) Hatton avoided Witter after his defeat to Floyd because Witter looked brilliant againsed Harris.
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Witter looked crap over the weekend but how some of you can turn this into a masterplan from Ricky is totally laughble...
i for one am sad they did not fight... on last weekends showing Ricky ((if he has the form of old that is)) would have won a fantastic english rivalry and gave his fans the "REAL HOMECOMING" instead of the farce they are touting now.
Really frustrated that this fight didnt happen and i'm sure there isnt a Hatton fan about who would not have rather seen Ricky demolish Witter instead.
but how some of you can say he aint giving Witter a pay day blah blah you are fans of the sport not how much a fighter gets paid..... Witter was no2 hatton was no 1 in the UK and for me i couldn't give a rats arse how much they got paid it was a fight that should have been made but Ricky denied the fans the chance of seeing it because he didnt like witter.....it stinks IMO.
this fight is now a lost event that would have been a huge in the UK.
Cheers Ricky :rolleyes:
Yeah I'm with you Saddo, even as a Ricky fan. Ricky should have been in that ring Saturday night and he would have beaten Witter worse than Bradly did IMO. I'm sure Hatton would be more keen to make the fight now but obviously the demand is down the shitter.
Ricky missed out on what could have been another great win of his career, beat a long term domestic rival in Witter and then maybe go for a big money fight again.
I can see why (if it's the case) Hatton avoided Witter after his defeat to Floyd because Witter looked brilliant againsed Harris.
The thing is Harris was shot to hell!
Witter was calling out Hatton just for me.
I genuinely believe Ricky when he said he just wanted to prevent Witter getting minted off his name
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Kel
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Saddo
Witter looked crap over the weekend but how some of you can turn this into a masterplan from Ricky is totally laughble...
i for one am sad they did not fight... on last weekends showing Ricky ((if he has the form of old that is)) would have won a fantastic english rivalry and gave his fans the "REAL HOMECOMING" instead of the farce they are touting now.
Really frustrated that this fight didnt happen and i'm sure there isnt a Hatton fan about who would not have rather seen Ricky demolish Witter instead.
but how some of you can say he aint giving Witter a pay day blah blah you are fans of the sport not how much a fighter gets paid..... Witter was no2 hatton was no 1 in the UK and for me i couldn't give a rats arse how much they got paid it was a fight that should have been made but Ricky denied the fans the chance of seeing it because he didnt like witter.....it stinks IMO.
this fight is now a lost event that would have been a huge in the UK.
Cheers Ricky :rolleyes:
Yeah I'm with you Saddo, even as a Ricky fan. Ricky should have been in that ring Saturday night and he would have beaten Witter worse than Bradly did IMO. I'm sure Hatton would be more keen to make the fight now but obviously the demand is down the shitter.
Ricky missed out on what could have been another great win of his career, beat a long term domestic rival in Witter and then maybe go for a big money fight again.
I can see why (if it's the case) Hatton avoided Witter after his defeat to Floyd because Witter looked brilliant againsed Harris.
The thing is Harris was shot to hell!
Witter was calling out Hatton just for me.
I genuinely believe Ricky when he said he just wanted to prevent Witter getting minted off his name
Honestly think hatton would of been more dissapointed at seeing witter get beat on saturday than anyone else.
In witter hatton saw a retirement nest egg that would set him up long after he is finished as a pro boxer. Somewhere down the line these 2 would of met and hatton would of made more money off of fighting junior than any other light welterweight.
Now though he is pretty much between a rock and a hard place. If he fights witter in lets say a years time it`ll be not half as prosperous financially as it would of been had he of fought him on saturday. And even if hatton does dispose of junior he`ll AGAIN be accused of beating up washed up boxers.
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Originally Posted by
Kel
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Saddo
Witter looked crap over the weekend but how some of you can turn this into a masterplan from Ricky is totally laughble...
i for one am sad they did not fight... on last weekends showing Ricky ((if he has the form of old that is)) would have won a fantastic english rivalry and gave his fans the "REAL HOMECOMING" instead of the farce they are touting now.
Really frustrated that this fight didnt happen and i'm sure there isnt a Hatton fan about who would not have rather seen Ricky demolish Witter instead.
but how some of you can say he aint giving Witter a pay day blah blah you are fans of the sport not how much a fighter gets paid..... Witter was no2 hatton was no 1 in the UK and for me i couldn't give a rats arse how much they got paid it was a fight that should have been made but Ricky denied the fans the chance of seeing it because he didnt like witter.....it stinks IMO.
this fight is now a lost event that would have been a huge in the UK.
Cheers Ricky :rolleyes:
Yeah I'm with you Saddo, even as a Ricky fan. Ricky should have been in that ring Saturday night and he would have beaten Witter worse than Bradly did IMO. I'm sure Hatton would be more keen to make the fight now but obviously the demand is down the shitter.
Ricky missed out on what could have been another great win of his career, beat a long term domestic rival in Witter and then maybe go for a big money fight again.
I can see why (if it's the case) Hatton avoided Witter after his defeat to Floyd because Witter looked brilliant againsed Harris.
The thing is Harris was shot to hell!
Witter was calling out Hatton just for me.
I genuinely believe Ricky when he said he just wanted to prevent Witter getting minted off his name
I know Harris was shot but Witter did seem like a totally different fighter that night from the norm. He looked a lot more powerful than normal I thought he reached his absolute peak.
If Hatton beat Witter on Sat, it would have been a great addition to his resume (even though Witters rating of no.2 was a bit much)
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Not now he doesn't.
Paulie fought Cotto.
Witter fought Vivian harris.
Who do you think has more credibility?
Witter had the beltand was ranked no 1 or 2, simple! it would have been a good fight we all wanted to see it its not now going to happen
I am going to leave it at that Donny and we will have to disagree
Personally I would rarther see him fight Witter than Paulie I see a very easy night for Hatton against feather fisted Malignaggi
I don't want to ignite an arguement, but Witter's ranking at No.2 (after Hatton) was more a reflection on the lack of depth in the Light Welterweight division at the moment.
People continue to complain that Ricky hasn't fought anyone since Tszyu.
But in trurth there are very few others remaining at Light Welter. Since Cotto's immigration all that remains is Paulie, Torres, Kotelnik, Witter and D-Hop.
Although Bradley can now be added to that list, it is clear that there is little flexibility in the division.
Witter demanded his hot, but in truth, what sort of a fight woulkd it make?
The lack of depth IS the reason the Witter fight made so much sense, if Hatton had stayed at welter it wouldn't matter, but he came back down with his tail between his legs to claim his throne and it was Witter who was there waiting for him. It's the fight the majority of the fans wanted, instead they get shafted for a ppv against a washed up lightweight, that's what Ricky truly thinks of his fans.
Anyway, Saddo's spoken, that's the end of the matter;)
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Bomp
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hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by
sonny78
Witter had the beltand was ranked no 1 or 2, simple! it would have been a good fight we all wanted to see it its not now going to happen
I am going to leave it at that Donny and we will have to disagree
Personally I would rarther see him fight Witter than Paulie I see a very easy night for Hatton against feather fisted Malignaggi
I don't want to ignite an arguement, but Witter's ranking at No.2 (after Hatton) was more a reflection on the lack of depth in the Light Welterweight division at the moment.
People continue to complain that Ricky hasn't fought anyone since Tszyu.
But in trurth there are very few others remaining at Light Welter. Since Cotto's immigration all that remains is Paulie, Torres, Kotelnik, Witter and D-Hop.
Although Bradley can now be added to that list, it is clear that there is little flexibility in the division.
Witter demanded his hot, but in truth, what sort of a fight woulkd it make?
The lack of depth IS the reason the Witter fight made so much sense, if Hatton had stayed at welter it wouldn't matter, but he came back down with his tail between his legs to claim his throne and it was Witter who was there waiting for him. It's the fight the majority of the fans wanted, instead they get shafted for a
ppv against a washed up lightweight, that's what Ricky truly thinks of his fans.
Anyway, Saddo's spoken, that's the end of the matter;)
Wait up! Hatton has made this fight for UK time for his fans and lost a lot of coin from it.
