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Originally Posted by iceman
fail.
This is actually a good thing to check out. If you open it, you can hit menu, then copy and paste the URL into your browser.
Why I like it, is because I am working on shortening my right. I am having very nice results using as an orthodox a slip straight right/left hook combo. I am looking to expand it some, and the overhand right is something I want to look at and work on. This video gives an excellent well shown methodical look at it. So yea...it's a good deal. :)
Thanks for posting.
Sometimes it'll say that, but if you actually double-click on the video so that it takes you to youtube, it will play. It seems like it loads a bit faster if you actually go to youtube to watch it instead of loading it off the forum page... :dontknow: (Could be just me)Quote:
Originally Posted by aburwell89They're saying video unavailible.Quote:
Originally Posted by iceman
Clubber, that worked Thank you.
Ice man, I actually disagree.
You're obviously more expierienced than I and boxing is made great by the difference in fighters styles, but with the right cross I would never sacrifice any of my height
i tend towards the filipino approach to fighting donny in that i see it as a gradual degree of destruction...at least in sport in real life, i modify and tend to go for quick and escape instead of long and prolonged engagement. as for height are you saying you don't like to sit on thepunches? not sure what you disagree on...and yes styles make fighters and fights...lots of what i post isn't so much what i agree on it has to do with questions i see a lot and also just different ways to do things. i personally feel that boxing is like life not so much right and wrong,more like shades of gray or as Dan Inosanto told us once, i can't show you the way, i can only show you there is a path and offer some guidance you must travel it and make it yours..
I was just referring to the head movement with the right cross.Quote:
Originally Posted by iceman
I'm around 6'1" I fight either Welter or Light Mid, so I'd never really lean, although I can recognise how it could add some extra pop.
I like the left hook to the body
well i find training isn't gospel, there is always an exception someplace look at the cross arm defense, at first it was picked apart, then the later posts started adding to it and changing things so it would work for them...thats my point no solution, but a chance to think and add to what is yours..a teacher can't give it to you you must learn by your path, he can only show a light down his and hope it helps you..
I usually throw the straight cross. It's a bit quicker.
ds Put up a B-hop compilation,what I was struck by was how compact his shots allways are,I think theres one looping shot in the whole thing.And even then its an outside overhand cross. Also note how he drives his hips,its what allows him to be that compact,and still hit with serious power
Am I the only one with enough balls to say that his left hook is pure garbage?
haha, well I don't mind the video much. I didn't really look at the left, but it did get me thinking about the overhand right, and how I can shorten it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Milash
His execution is a bit suspect yea, but I'm an optimist. :)
i have a feeling he's a karate guy posing as a boxer. No other explanation for that crap.
Most orthodox fighters left hooks suck,his are way better then most. To throw it well you have to generally open up. He wont give up his defense for a shot that probably wont land 9 out of 10 anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Milash
Thats why you learn the jab and the body jab
i gotta second that, most left hooks have a problem, they are seen...why i don't know but i get hit so seldom by the guys that throw them, granted they are not a list fighters but i usually just stay with my straight punches and like walking them down. someone once put forth the theory that a hook is weak and a striaght punch much harder...bet that opens a can of worms..
No No,thats more or less spot on,depending on your trainer,youll have a varied stance.Quote:
Originally Posted by iceman
But no matter how much you train youll have a dominant hand, winding it up for a head hook usually leaves you open. No matter what stance you like,unless its both hands down,in wich case your allways open.
Hopkins fights from a jab hand down power hand up stance,to get a good head hook gowing with his left he'd have to take a major risk on his defense,when he was younger and faster he'd make that trade,he doesnt anymore. He's 43 and has a brain in his head
it's biomechanically incorrect to both body and head.
Even though I dont like that stance personally,at least half the fighters out there use itQuote:
Originally Posted by Von Milash
kids have to learn to turn the hook over. that's where the power is.
Do you mean fist wise? Or torque wise? Because i thought hooks should never past the point of your chin.
disagrre turn it over all you want my straight right always seems to hit soo much harder...
iceman you can do it however you want. although i wonder if you know what i mean when i say turn it over.
I don't Von.Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Milash
Are you refering to the thrust from the hip or the adjustment of the hand from palm inward to downward facing?
that's right. turn the thing over and get your elbow way up and get some weight behind it. if not, you're bordering on slap that is biomechanically incorrect.
oh yeah i know what you mean by turn it over, hear it yelled at ameteurs all the time when they first start learning it, i just don't feel most people got that much to put into it... thats just a humble opinion and i know we can come up with lots of exceptions, but i also bet they are all pro fighters unlike say what maybe 70% of the guys that lace up gloves and dream but for whatever reason fall short...i know an old school trainer, that likes to occasionally throw it by turning his back and shoulders way into it... you gotta see it to understand,cause i can't explain but he was hitting when he did that.
I've been neglecting this lately as I've been throwing the hook from range, but I've got a nice strong left hook when I throw it like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Milash
Youve got to turn over the straight,if you dont,its bad on your wrist,AND you lose oomph on the shotQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonnyI've been neglecting this lately as I've been throwing the hook from range, but I've got a nice strong left hook when I throw it like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Milash
Yeah, I understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyYouve got to turn over the straight,if you dont,its bad on your wrist,AND you lose oomph on the shotQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonnyI've been neglecting this lately as I've been throwing the hook from range, but I've got a nice strong left hook when I throw it like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Milash
As for the body, I've taken to throwing the hook "palm in" as I can change it to an uppercut to get around the elbow, if needs be...That ok?
Oh yeah,thats allmost the way your supposed to be throwing it,but get your rythm down on the shot on the bag,because if you change your mind to late,it also torques bloody hell out of your wrist. You kind of want a body uppercut to be coming at an upword angle,so you have to decide in time to get your hand situated,especially on your weak hand, otherwise,your setting yourself up for long term issues with your wrists.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonnyYeah, I understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyYouve got to turn over the straight,if you dont,its bad on your wrist,AND you lose oomph on the shotQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
As for the body, I've taken to throwing the hook "palm in" as I can change it to an uppercut to get around the elbow, if needs be...That ok?
Thats the kind of thing you practice on the bag
Sounds like I'm getting something right then!Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyOh yeah,thats allmost the way your supposed to be throwing it,but get your rythm down on the shot on the bag,because if you change your mind to late,it also torques bloody hell out of your wrist. You kind of want a body uppercut to be coming at an upword angle,so you have to decide in time to get your hand situated,especially on your weak hand, otherwise,your setting yourself up for long term issues with your wrists.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonnyYeah, I understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
As for the body, I've taken to throwing the hook "palm in" as I can change it to an uppercut to get around the elbow, if needs be...That ok?
Thats the kind of thing you practice on the bag
What is interesting is how as someone mentioned before, how boxing is in one way akin to golf. When the moon and stars all align exactly right in body movement and the torquing and twisting of hand, arm, shoulder, feet, etc, happens...it is those shots that when done properly, have the most power to cause our opponents injury. To cause blood to fly and send people to sleep, and yet feel effortless . You don't feel it in your hand, or your wrist, or any part of your body...but just hear the spectacular smack, thud or see the planking of your opponents body and the eyes go gazy and you know you just did it. You just threw a punch as close to perfect as possible, much like that of a perfect golf swing. And it feels great.
Great point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Youngblood
I find I hit hardest when I throw a nice easy punch, but it collides with the opponent when at full extension and the bones in my arm are straight when i connect. This transaltes to a nice loose punch causing an opponents head to snap back...weird.
snap is what you want, pushing is ok but even with the straight right ya gotta turn it over and snap it in and away...otherwise you push and that don't hit so hard. i think maybe that is the weakness of a lot of hooks, no snap and over extension... just a thought
True enough and you can't snap a straight with elbow bent.Quote:
Originally Posted by iceman
no but sometimes there are ways to build power or you sacrifice for a set up...some days ya gotta chop a man down..
I believe I understand what you mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by iceman
Sometimes I negelect throwing the straight right perfectly, hoping it will land when halfway extended...this allows me to drap inside with hooks.
Is that waht you were alluding to?
yeah lots of trainers tell me there is no right hook, it is aa sloppy straight right...i say i can throw it anyway i want as long as it is the proper tool for the job...a wrench can hammer but it is better for tightening screws...an overhand is kinda sloppy but it targets a certain target of limited opportunity... a left hook may not always have the power of a straight right, but it has a definite place in your arsenal and all the real good boxers, seemed to have a good jab, good hook good straight etc...there of course are always exceptions, but as the coach says do this then if something comes up....that will be ultimately your style...look at how many try to imitate and can't quite pull it off...gotta in the end find your own path and be open to it.
I had neglected my right hook for a long time. But with my shoulder my straight right is like an overhand anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by iceman
Really,when I do spar or box anymore thats my fave shot,it hooks in best with hip snap,so its the easiest shot to cause damage withQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonnyI had neglected my right hook for a long time. But with my shoulder my straight right is like an overhand anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by iceman