Bernard Hopkins - Bad workrate, Clinches too often.
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Bernard Hopkins - Bad workrate, Clinches too often.
Tommy Hearns - didnt like to be pushed around , suspect chin.
Hopkins-unwatchable these days, doesn't have the legs anymore
Joan Guzman-gets a bit wild at times, doesn't train seriously enough, stamina, lack of big time power
Kassim Ouma-these days, pretty much everything, oh well
Juan Diaz-lack of power, when he gets behind he can't turn a fight around with a big punch, maybe a bit weak in the body, defense could be better
Jorge Linares-stamina looked slightly iffy last time out, can go a bit defensive for too long, chin still a bit of a mystery
Miguel Cotto-chin? not sure if it really is anymore, we'll see, still a bit open for a few punches, overhand right, uppercut
Christian Mijares-power maybe, not a huge puncher, can go a bit too defensive at times
Hatton - blows up like Rikishi between fights, clinches too much, bad things happen when he comes into contact with a ringpost.
good thread, rep'd.
Throw in a few more
Pavlik-very heavy footed, bit predicable at times, sometimes leaky defense
Anthony and Lamont Peterson-Don't jab enough, cover up for too long a time without throwing anything.
Duran - bad case of Hattonitis. This illness, common among boxers, causes a person to swell to twice their normal size between fights.
Pac - non. He's just incredible, who else can use his head to block his opponent's shots.:rolleyes:
Mayweather- Sometimes stays on the ropes ducking and jiving, when his reflexes start to go it may be a detriment.
Jeff Lacy- Blocks more punches with his face than his gloves;D
David Haye-Cocky with a bit of a chin
Edison Miranda- bit of a porous defense and loops his punces a bit
Pavlik- Plods like a piece of construction equipment
Margarito- Combo of Pavlik and miranda
I got 1 for mah boi Pac. :)
He still gets off balance everytime he throws the full blast straight left. It's easy for his opponents to counter him if he misses. But I'm glad he's doing a little improvements by being elusive now...
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Well Mayweather he like run too much.......;D:lolololol::banana:
Marco Barrera -
He didnt always take the opponent seriously and would enter the ring not 100% focused ie Pac , Jones
Lennox Lewis -
He didnt always take the opponent seriously and would enter the ring not 100% focused ie Rahman , Mcall
I think in both instances in the rematches they proved that the 1st fights were a fluke.
That was a joke for have some sense of humor , but for me Tito Trinidad have just one style that is easy to read , he dont have any others technicals for fight...................;)
You beat me to it Bro, I was about to say that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
If PAC can improve his balance when he tries to recover from his lunging straightleft he is pretty much a Tank.
At this stage in PAC's career there is not much to change from him anymore other than maintain his top conditioning and improve his balance.
All in all though he is much improved:
1. His defense improved he was blocking alot of JMM's punches with his gloves.
2. Though still lacking his balance has improved as compared to before.
3. Right hand is big time improvement.
PAVLIK:
Permeable Defense and sometimes plodding.
COTTO:
Not perfect defense but who has, other than PBF;D
Floyd Mayweather Jr: not enough movement, especially laterally. I think he is too smart on the ropes that he will never slow down enough to be a sitting duck off of the ropes because he also has great technical defensive skills, but he shouldn't on the ropes so much.
Roy JOnes Jr: I have always hated that he doesn't have to be forced to get on the ropes. Since a certain point at lightheavywieght Roy decided nobody could hit him off the ropes because he was so fast, until lately, but he is changing his style.
Miguel Cotto: doesn't box as much as he should, though he did a lot more against Mosley and Gomez
Manny Pacquaio: why didn't he throw more 1-2's? I see that he has problems forcing a specific distance or adapting to distance in fights, and that he didn't show the defensive improvements he did against Morrales and Barrera against Marquez in their second fight... he also went back to just loading up the left hand without setting it up, and without following it up.
Bernard: Too old
Winky: I still think he has a few great fights left in him, but right now in the divisions he is in he's on the back burner where he shouldn't be, but obviously lack of power has always been his flaw, and gasing out late.
Joe Calzaghe: I know he had hand problems, but where did that power go he used to have? And I have always felt he would have problems with skilled movers, and B-Hop confirmed that.
Yuriorkis Gamboa: too cocky, and lacks concentration at some points.
Wladimir Klitschko: has had the tendency not to step on the gas lately in fights.
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Originally Posted by PavlikYou beat me to it Bro, I was about to say that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
If PAC can improve his balance when he tries to recover from his lunging straightleft he is pretty much a Tank.
At this stage in PAC's career there is not much to change from him anymore other than maintain his top conditioning and improve his balance.
All in all though he is much improved:
1. His defense improved he was blocking alot of JMM's punches with his gloves.
2. Though still lacking his balance has improved as compared to before.
3. Right hand is big time improvement.
PAVLIK:
Permeable Defense and sometimes plodding.
COTTO:
Not perfect defense but who has, other than PBF;D
I disagree a little about Pacquaio, I think that Pacquaio's defense looked horrible in many parts of his fight against Marquez, he was getting hit by punches he shouldn't have many times in that fight. One other thing I noticed was that Pacquaio needs a lot of space to throw that left hand, and Marquez would move back, then come forward just a little too close for Pacquaio to throw that left hand like he wants to which in the early middle rounds I felt stopped Pacquaio from throwing very many punches.
I want add Cotto had improve soo much his defense , he didnt take a lot of punches like before since Quintana fight..........:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by PavlikYou beat me to it Bro, I was about to say that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
If PAC can improve his balance when he tries to recover from his lunging straightleft he is pretty much a Tank.
At this stage in PAC's career there is not much to change from him anymore other than maintain his top conditioning and improve his balance.
All in all though he is much improved:
1. His defense improved he was blocking alot of JMM's punches with his gloves.
2. Though still lacking his balance has improved as compared to before.
3. Right hand is big time improvement.
PAVLIK:
Permeable Defense and sometimes plodding.
COTTO:
Not perfect defense but who has, other than PBF;D
Kessler,hand picks his fight,and when he was on the big stage he hurt his hand
Hopkins,the tanks empty man,he came out burning rubber against Calzeghe,and lost steam in the second half of that fight
Both Klitschko's,plodding and suspect hearts
Mahfood,Valerie should really learn to fight away occaisionally,I mean her fights are alot of fun to watch,but she takes way more punishment then she should
ricky hatton:
foolhardy fighter that insists on fighting every opponent in the same manner.
Have seen ricky right from the very VERY start and remember the good old days when hatton was actually a very good mover of his feet and liked to slip and move the jab every so often.
nowadays its all about sheer agressiveness and relying on solely outworking his opponent.
Ahh nice topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by ds91
Larry Holmes = Often didn't get his jab hand up quick enough and was caught with right hands by Snipes, Shavers, because of that.
Floyd Mayweather Jr = Often lays on the ropes too much and allows his opponent's to tee off, even though most of the punches miss but still you get my point.
You know its funny that guys like Roy Jones Jr, Muhammad Ali, actually done most things wrong in the ring, yet they could get away with it because of there amazing speed and ring smarts of course.
Israel Vasquez's nose. :-\
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Originally Posted by ICBAhh nice topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by ds91
Larry Holmes = Often didn't get his jab hand up quick enough and was caught with right hands by Snipes, Shavers, because of that.
Floyd Mayweather Jr = Often lays on the ropes too much and allows his opponent's to tee off, even though most of the punches miss but still you get my point.
You know its funny that guys like Roy Jones Jr, Muhammad Ali, actually done most things wrong in the ring, yet they could get away with it because of there amazing speed and ring smarts of course.
wasnt it the zab fight where about round 7-8 he had floyd on the ropes for a good minute, threw about 30-40 shots...and not one of them actually landed??
Remember thinking that night we truly were witnessing an all time great ;D
sounds more like you're talking about the N'dou fight unless I'm mistaken
Yea i think he is that was the 5th round vs Phillip Ndou a truly great round one of the rounds of the year.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
yup thats the one
I always get that and the zab fight mixed up.
So zab was the mid fight low blow riot??
am i right???
That's your opinion Mr. TAE. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by TaethQuote:
Originally Posted by PavlikYou beat me to it Bro, I was about to say that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
If PAC can improve his balance when he tries to recover from his lunging straightleft he is pretty much a Tank.
At this stage in PAC's career there is not much to change from him anymore other than maintain his top conditioning and improve his balance.
All in all though he is much improved:
1. His defense improved he was blocking alot of JMM's punches with his gloves.
2. Though still lacking his balance has improved as compared to before.
3. Right hand is big time improvement.
PAVLIK:
Permeable Defense and sometimes plodding.
COTTO:
Not perfect defense but who has, other than PBF;D
I disagree a little about Pacquaio, I think that Pacquaio's defense looked horrible in many parts of his fight against Marquez, he was getting hit by punches he shouldn't have many times in that fight. One other thing I noticed was that Pacquaio needs a lot of space to throw that left hand, and Marquez would move back, then come forward just a little too close for Pacquaio to throw that left hand like he wants to which in the early middle rounds I felt stopped Pacquaio from throwing very many punches.
If Pac's defense was that horrible, then he would've been KTFO or KDed by JMM.
Pavlik - has a bad tendency to leave his right hanging out there after throwing the money punch. It's almost like he stops to survey the damage - and forgets to keep his defense tight.
Yes that does sound like the Ndou fight Zab was very inactive the second half of his bout with Mayweather. Great topic.
Winky Wright: Can get hit with straight punches, legs are a bit of a question these days and he isn't at his strongest late in fights.
Jeff Lacy: Bad defense, a bit slow and plodding and these days throws one shot at a time
Andre Ward: Reaches with punches a bit, tries to be cute a bit to much opening his opponent up with feints instead of just punching, chops a bit with his punches, gets cocky and goes into RJJ mode although I think that phase is behind him he hasn't done it in his last 6 or 7 fights
Joan Guzman - Loops his punches a bit to much. Frail hands and his weight is out of control, he's putting on 20 pounds the day after cutting weight and he's not even that big physically
Miguel Cotto: Can get hit with uppercuts, tries to fight his way out of being hurt, probably doesn't always fight as smart as he can, sometimes walks his opponent down a bit to much
Yes your right.Quote:
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
yup thats the one
I always get that and the zab fight mixed up.
So zab was the mid fight low blow riot??
am i right???
... he has a good chin obviously... he was getting picked apart for a lot of rounds. I was jush surpised because Barrera fought MArquez pretty evenly, and in Pac-MAB 2 Barrera wasn't landing anything, and Pacquaio was completely dominating that fight though he never stepped on the gas.Quote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftThat's your opinion Mr. TAE. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by TaethQuote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
I disagree a little about Pacquaio, I think that Pacquaio's defense looked horrible in many parts of his fight against Marquez, he was getting hit by punches he shouldn't have many times in that fight. One other thing I noticed was that Pacquaio needs a lot of space to throw that left hand, and Marquez would move back, then come forward just a little too close for Pacquaio to throw that left hand like he wants to which in the early middle rounds I felt stopped Pacquaio from throwing very many punches.
If Pac's defense was that horrible, then he would've been KTFO or KDed by JMM.
Molitor - Lacks power
Winky - Getting old, losing his legs, it remains to be seen how going up in weight to fight B-Hop will affect him, reportedly often demands too much money and misses out on big fights (IE Taylor rematch)
Kessler - Seems rattled by the loss to Calzaghe, potential injury issues
Winky: Being so good that no one wants to fight him.
Marquez was getting picked apart by Pac too. Too bad it's JMM who always hits the canvas everytime these two fighters lock horns in the ring. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth... he has a good chin obviously... he was getting picked apart for a lot of rounds. I was jush surpised because Barrera fought MArquez pretty evenly, and in Pac-MAB 2 Barrera wasn't landing anything, and Pacquaio was completely dominating that fight though he never stepped on the gas.Quote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftThat's your opinion Mr. TAE. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
If Pac's defense was that horrible, then he would've been KTFO or KDed by JMM.
Joel Casamayor- Risks point deductions with dirty style. Not the mover he once was. Tends to push his punches instead of sitting down on them.
Rafael Marquez- Rather brawl than use great boxing skills. Chin a little weak.
Solid Idea for topic,How objective are we really ??
Evander Holyfield......His ego and stubborn ,almost selfish, pride blinds him to the fact that HE IS DONE.He is living on memories and risk's allowing himself to become a punchline.
Bernard Hopkins.......Seemingly comfortable just staying content and not leaving it all in the ring at times.
Kotya Tszyu.
Took too long to get set and throw his shots against pressure fighters. Relied too much on his punching power and not his great boxing skills at times.
LOL. Pac's weaknesses are girls, gambling, hard liquor and his political ambition.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by pacfan
You have a valid point there PAcstraight;). I really wonder why people are saying Pac's defense is not good. For a KO artist like our man, his combination of defense and offense is quite excellent.Quote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftMarquez was getting picked apart by Pac too. Too bad it's JMM who always hits the canvas everytime these two fighters lock horns in the ring. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth... he has a good chin obviously... he was getting picked apart for a lot of rounds. I was jush surpised because Barrera fought MArquez pretty evenly, and in Pac-MAB 2 Barrera wasn't landing anything, and Pacquaio was completely dominating that fight though he never stepped on the gas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
Was going to post something similar, his BIGGEST weaknesses at the moment are his distractions, and apparent loss of interest, from a boxing standpoint he's also easy to hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruceleeLOL. Pac's weaknesses are girls, gambling, hard liquor and his political ambition.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by pacfan
Calzaghe- lost power, believes his own hype and IMO came ill prepared to fight Hopkins,
not talking fitness but strategy or lack thereof.
Danny Williams- the cookie monster.
Or Winky thinks that he is too good for anyone to fight with him ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxer