Ok so the Ring has Calzaghe as the champ at 168 and 175 which he legitimately fought for and won, however the Ring states that a fighter will lose Championship status IF they change weight class. Can someone explain this to me?
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Ok so the Ring has Calzaghe as the champ at 168 and 175 which he legitimately fought for and won, however the Ring states that a fighter will lose Championship status IF they change weight class. Can someone explain this to me?
Calzaghe will have to vacate one before his next fight.
As far as I know, the Ring has an absolute policy against stripping belts. If a fighter doesn't lose the belt in the ring, it's up to the fighter to choose to relinquish the belt.
So I believe that if Calzaghe continues fighting at 175, he can choose to remain the Ring champ at 168 as well.
Here's a direct quote from "The Ring's" websiteQuote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
"The only three occasions when a fighter will lose his championship status are when he retires, moves to another weight division, or is defeated in a championship bout."
Seems pretty self explanatory to me judging by their rules.... I think when Calzaghe announces the weight of his next fight then I think we will get our answer
Well, I also saw on the cover something like, "If he wants to fight for both championships, let him."
I personally think JT is correct. He will be stripped of the later after his next fight is named
Calzaghe has fough nothing but the best for his entire career ;D
He had to relinquish his SM title because he fought hopkins at 175.
Whatever happened to old fashioned common sense, a mandatory defence inside 12months sounds perfectly reasonable to me!!
THere is an article in the Ring about it.
and Calzaghe will remain champion of both until he looses or if he voluntarily relinquishes it.
The Ring does not strip. They are old school.
No, that's not how it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON
I'll type a few sentences straight out of the new issue of Ring magazine that I have open in front of me right now.......
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He could defend the light heavyweight title against, say, Roy Jones, and then go back down to super middle and defend that belt against, perhaps, Kelly Pavlik. And if that's the course of action Calzaghe wishes to take, more power to him.
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The point is that he should be afforded the opportunity to retain and defend both titles if that is what he wants to do.
He should not be allowed to retain both belts.. I read an Editors note in the ring that said if he does not defend or relnquish the belts within 12 months they ask him to voluntarily relinquish the title...If he doesn't want too then i suppose he could keep both.And seing as the ring "ask" there titlists to relinquish the belt; I dont think they ever expected anyone to say no im keeping both though.
The Ring addresses that situation and notes that everyone so far has "done the right thing" and giving up a belt they no longer wish to defend. They even listed a half a dozen fighters who moved up in weight and voluntarily reqlinquished their championships.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tins06
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Originally Posted by Tins06
If a guy is a multi weight world champion until someone from said division can beat him he should be considered the champ of that division just so long as he abides to fight within the 12month time frame.
Thats fair enough but he should not be allowed too campaign at both weights..defending both Belts.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by Tins06
If a guy is a multi weight world champion until someone from said division can beat him he should be considered the champ of that division just so long as he abides to fight within the 12month time frame.
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Originally Posted by Tins06Thats fair enough but he should not be allowed too campaign at both weights..defending both Belts.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by Tins06
If a guy is a multi weight world champion until someone from said division can beat him he should be considered the champ of that division just so long as he abides to fight within the 12month time frame.
why not i say
if JC is the best at 168, he deserves to be recognised for it. Not forced to relinquish a title just because his next fight is at a different weight.
Famous old saying has never been so true "to be the man you have to beat the man"
The Ring has no 12 month time frame limit to my knowledge.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by Tins06
If a guy is a multi weight world champion until someone from said division can beat him he should be considered the champ of that division just so long as he abides to fight within the 12month time frame.
I have no problem with Him being #1 Ring champ of 2 divisions, as long as he defends them both within a reasonable time its all good to me...
To me he can defend the Lightheavy crown against Roy Jones in Nov of 08 and then drop down to 168 and Defend against Miranda in June of 09..
I think since Calzaghe is a legend and has earned this status as well as being long in tooth he would end up only doing this for a year anyway and its not like there is a young Kessleresque guy at 175 that deserves a shot tomorrow, so I am pleased with the current status, seems completely fair, any fighter who cares to complain should try to measure there career against Joes and 99.9% of them wouldnt measure up..
I get where you are coming from, but I still think a fighter should fight in his division at least every 12 months. Otherwise it hardly fits as 'his division' any more. In your proposed schedule Calzaghe will go almost 20 months without fights at 168 - that seems a bit much for my taste.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Actually good point....my theory would only be reasonable if he defended at 168 1st... Thanks for the correction;)
The SMw is open right now, sure a lot are tipping Kessler to rule it, but there are a few there to stake a claim, and since none are as of yet going to fight eachother the Ring could not name a new champion.
If the #2 was about to face the #3 you can bet your left nut the ring would put preasure on Calzaghe to vacate it if he was fighting at 175, or strip him of it.
And it is fair IMO, devisions need champions.
they are letting him hold both right now because pavlik could move up and joe come back down to meet at SMw, the ring do want the best to have their belts, should pavlik win, and he has a good chance, they would want him to take their belt.
So if Pavlik steps up and meets Joe at 168 and beats him (theoretically) he would hold the ring titles at 160 and 168 correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by Preme
Correct, just like Joe holds championships at 175 and 168 right nowQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheepSo if Pavlik steps up and meets Joe at 168 and beats him (theoretically) he would hold the ring titles at 160 and 168 correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by Preme
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As long as he hasn't lost his midle weight belt before then, or doesn't vacate when he moves up, then yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepSo if Pavlik steps up and meets Joe at 168 and beats him (theoretically) he would hold the ring titles at 160 and 168 correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by killersheepSo when Pavlik steps up and beats Joe at 168 he would hold the ring titles at 160 and 168 correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by Preme
I fixed it for you
Decisions, decisions. Poor Joe Calzaghe having to sit home and decide on what weight shall he be king in. One thing is for certain there is little left to doubt him about even for his sternest critics.
I would like to see him take a go at the 175lb division. He has solidified himself as the greatest 168lb champion to reign why not a new challenge.
No matter what he chooses I am sure he will be successful.
The Rings championship policy allows for multi-division champions. Giving fighters of today the opportunity to achieve what Henry Armstrong did.
He would hold all three and a defenite future in the hall of fame as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepIf Calzaghe comes in over 168 Pavlik will get the 175 belts. If Calzaghe goes at 168 Pavlik will hold all three. This will be the first time in this sport that this has happened since 1938.Quote:
Originally Posted by Preme
So if Pavlik steps up and meets Joe at 168 and beats him (theoretically) he would hold the ring titles at 160 and 168 correct?