What the fuck is up with Obama's church?!?

I've been to church all my life and have never ONCE heard anything about politics and I've seen and heard two preachers from Barrack Obama's church and all they seem to talk about is politics and how the man is holding them down.


What's really funny is that this new guy is white.....hahahaha this totally has to be an SNL skit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWigzBClEk8



I mean people expect crazy rantings from Southern Baptist Preachers....I'm not a Southern Baptist and so I've never heard that stuff.

Advice for Obama...get this guy as your preacher/spiritual advisor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQKfxuXWXDw

...no one else finds this shocking, amusing, or confusing?!?!?!



I find it HIGH-larious that a guy as white as Michael Pflegler (or whatever his name is) is acting so black and preaching to a black congregation about Black Liberation....it could be a part of Soul Man it's so funny

.....we just might be seeing a tape put out soon that supposedly has Michelle Obama speaking at the very same church that caused all this trouble to begin with and she supposedly uses the word "whitey".......if that's the case then this is what I forsee happening to the Obama campaign


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiAT9xvTVKI

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Originally Posted by Lyle

.....we just might be seeing a tape put out soon that supposedly has Michelle Obama speaking at the very same church that caused all this trouble to begin with and she supposedly uses the word "whitey".......if that's the case then this is what I forsee happening to the Obama campaign


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiAT9xvTVKI

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OK I bit, you don't honestly believe this do you?

I said "supposedly"......but in this age where everything is taped or recorded then everyone who loves Obama had better fucking pray such a tape doesn't exist, but it's being reported by the news media and has made people VERY nervous.

If it is only a Republican tactic which it very well MAY BE....then they are picking on a huge weakness of Obama's....Michelle hasn't come across as a happy person or a person who has achieved succes through the opportunities provided to her by America.

But I ask you....if it does exist....what then? Basically McCain gets to answer any debate question with "At least I don't hate America or white people"

It doesn't exist it was created by some right wing nutcase on some shitty political blog. It's a myth there is no "If" because it's simply not true even other republican bloggers are discounting it as pure myth. Because it is.

...You read Republican blogs???





LAME ;D


Hey if it's out there then fine if not then fine....but it's easy to paint Michelle Obama as an "America Hater" and as Kissinger said "Perception is reality"

I've actually kind of got addicted to blogs a bit. Not really political blogs because...well I just don't like political bloggers for the most part no matter what they are. But I have come accross the blog in question a few times.

Sports blogs are great though. I wish all my favorite teams had a good blog site. The Warriors' blog is shit, complete shit. GoldenStateofMind is what it's called. Promising name but terrible blog. The Sharks have a great blog though and it's basically where I go for all my Sharks news.

It surprised me that he was Catholic. I've seen white protestant preachers give sermons like that but not Catholics.

It shocked me because

#1. I've been to church my entire life and have NEVER been lectured to about politics in church.

#2 I've never heard about race in church

#3 I've never heard anyone berate the United States in church


It always shocks me, whether it's some no drinkin', no dancin', crazy ass Southern Baptist or whether it's some wacko faux muslim from "The Nation"...but it's really crazy it was a Black Liberation preacher, I had never heard of such a thing but I guess it gives an explination to why Sharpton and Jackson get so much face time....they seem more reasonable when compared to Rev. Wright or Pfleger.


I do think Father Pfleger is a very funny character (sad but funny)...I didn't know that wiggers were big into religion...I guess in the future we'll see Father Eminem or Kid Rock or Vanilla Ice....hahaha

Who cares about Obama's church? America faces a bunch of serious problems and the media are obsessed over something some fucking priest said. They should try doing their job instead of focusing on irrelevant crap.

The "black" churches in the South have always been involved in politics, ministers have always been involved in getting out the vote and in a lot of cases steering the vote.

Maybe I'm just a cynic about organized religion but that's kind of a power church if you know what I mean, I suspect if anything Obama used it to network, etc. I know how you're going to respond to that so there's really no reason, yes it would have been smart for him to leave it a couple of years ago.

I think if anything this has shown how much race still plays a part in politics. Hillary's wins in Kentucky and West Virginia had nearly as much to do with race as Obama's wins in Mississippi and Alabama.

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Who cares about Obama's church? America faces a bunch of serious problems and the media are obsessed over something some fucking priest said. They should try doing their job instead of focusing on irrelevant crap.

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Just the way it is, its sexier than real issues. Its down to the people really, the media just covers what sells.

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Who cares about Obama's church? America faces a bunch of serious problems and the media are obsessed over something some fucking priest said. They should try doing their job instead of focusing on irrelevant crap.

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Because the thoughts and ideas coming out of Obama's church are not changes I or anyone else believe in. Anyone believing in what Wright was spewing in his surmons is no different than anyone following any of the crazy white preachers out there.....and I wouldn't vote for any of them either

I can understand and appreciate what the Civil Rights movement did with churches but we're past that era.

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Just the way it is, its sexier than real issues. Its down to the people really, the media just covers what sells.

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That and people might have a REAL issue with what was going on in Obama's church.

If W was sitting in a church with a preacher talking crap about black people ONCE (much less 20 years) then he'd be in a ton of fucking trouble.

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Just the way it is, its sexier than real issues. Its down to the people really, the media just covers what sells.

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That and people might have a REAL issue with what was going on in Obama's church.

If W was sitting in a church with a preacher talking crap about black people ONCE (much less 20 years) then he'd be in a ton of fucking trouble.

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Ummm...no matter how you slice it, Obama's church is not a real issue. He could be from the same church as Carlos Maussa it really has no bearing.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Who cares about Obama's church? America faces a bunch of serious problems and the media are obsessed over something some fucking priest said. They should try doing their job instead of focusing on irrelevant crap.

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Because the thoughts and ideas coming out of Obama's church are not changes I or anyone else believe in. Anyone believing in what Wright was spewing in his surmons is no different than anyone following any of the crazy white preachers out there.....and I wouldn't vote for any of them either

I can understand and appreciate what the Civil Rights movement did with churches but we're past that era.

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McCain is backed by a bunch of crazy white preachers. A couple of them became public knowledge and he disowned them, but there are plenty more. Go start a McBush crazy preacher thread.

http://www.newshoggers.com/blog/imag...me_as_bush.jpg

It does if he believes in what Wright and Co. are preaching and then he's running the country he's been hating his entire life??? A bit counterproductive if you ask me.....a person who loves America.

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It does if he believes in what Wright and Co. are preaching and then he's running the country he's been hating his entire life??? A bit counterproductive if you ask me.....a person who loves America.

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If you look a why he joined the church in the firdt place it was down to Chicago politics. He's now left the church anyway, so let's talk about something relevant, like the disaster in Iraq.

Are you sure its not that he hates America and secretly wants to become President in order to help bring America down from the inside?

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It does if he believes in what Wright and Co. are preaching and then he's running the country he's been hating his entire life??? A bit counterproductive if you ask me.....a person who loves America.

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Wasn't McCain friends with a Preacher who said the Holocaust was God's work? This is terrible, terrible. How are the Jews going to survive in a country run by McCain?

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Are you sure its not that he hates America and secretly wants to become President in order to help bring America down from the inside?

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Do you mean McCain or Obama? Or Bush ? :)

I think Bush did his part in bringing down the country through sheer stupidity. Who knows?

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If you look a why he joined the church in the firdt place it was down to Chicago politics. He's now left the church anyway, so let's talk about something relevant, like the disaster in Iraq.

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That makes it better??? He's willing to sit through THAT to be President?!?! As for the Chicago Politics....maybe we can have a New Tamany Hall if Obama wins.


As for Iraq it will only get worse if we leave too soon....but hey what do I know....let's just let Iran put pressure on Israel allying all the Persian nations against them and then everything will be fine, at least fine for YOU because you don't believe Israel should have that land anyway.

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I think Bush did his part in bringing down the country through sheer stupidity. Who knows?

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Obama has just as much experience as W did when he first became President.


Kirkland maybe you could suggest a better Republican candidate than McCain?

And what Democrat do you like? Obama, Clinton, or someone else?

Yeah but Bush is an idiot :D

I'm in graduate school for history, mainly U.S. foreign policy, and I've been reading this book called The Hidden Hand Presidency about Eisenhower and how during his presidency people thought he was kind of out of it and just let his cabinet run everything and played golf all the time when it turned out that (whether you agreed with his policies or not) he was lucid and in control. I sometimes wonder if there will end up being a revisionist history like that about Bush, and we'll find out that he actually wasn't as stupid as he seems. I kind of doubt it.

Obama has no experience in foreign policy...McCain DOES!

Yes and he had the good judgment to support an obviously unnecessary war which obviously was going to do more to hurt the nation's interest than help it. Unlike the Democrats who supported the war because they were political cowards, McCain actually thought it was a good idea.

Which makes his self-congratulatory air about the surge seem a bit over the top.

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I think Bush did his part in bringing down the country through sheer stupidity. Who knows?

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Obama has just as much experience as W did when he first became President.


Kirkland maybe you could suggest a better Republican candidate than McCain?

And what Democrat do you like? Obama, Clinton, or someone else?

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Chuck Hagel would be a good GOP nominee. Either Obama or Clinton would be fine, although I'd prefer Clinton so she can run on a platform of bringing honour and integrity back to the White House.

McCain is a foreign policy cretin, QED.

Obama's only six delegates away. Hillary's apparently starting to talk about accepting the V.P.

McCain was calling for Rumsfeld's head loooong before Bush or anyone else was!


Just because Bush and the Neo-Cons screwed things up so bad doesn't mean McCain would have done the same thing. And just because Obama didn't vote for the war doesn't mean he did anything to try and stop it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJZeSEIjtEg

...The Democrats run Congress, they could have cut funding and ended the war HOWEVER they didn't...and WHY???? To stick W with the "loss"...that's the REAL REASON they didn't vote to cut off funds.

Every time I post something that proves you wrong you just change the subject. And you're always still wrong when you do. Go look up when McCain actually criticised Rumsfeld for the first time versus when he claims he started criticising him. And stop changing the subject, or this is going to end up where you post a video of Rush Limbaugh singing Barack the Magic Negro again.

Is 2004 early enough for you???

McCain, Schwarzkopf blast Rumsfeld - Conflict in Iraq - MSNBC.com

Oh my God...MSNBC too...please tell me they are "in the bag" for the Republicans.



A Clinton bringing honor to the White House...funny. And it's spelled HONOR...but then again I wouldn't expect you to know how to spell that one.....AWWWWWW SNAP....hahaha, totally kidding KL

Oh I forgot to add.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enp2Dj0SWeU

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

Yeah but Bush is an idiot :D

I'm in graduate school for history, mainly U.S. foreign policy, and I've been reading this book called The Hidden Hand Presidency about Eisenhower and how during his presidency people thought he was kind of out of it and just let his cabinet run everything and played golf all the time when it turned out that (whether you agreed with his policies or not) he was lucid and in control. I sometimes wonder if there will end up being a revisionist history like that about Bush, and we'll find out that he actually wasn't as stupid as he seems. I kind of doubt it.

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The more I learn about Eisenhower as a President, the more I like him. He was bang on about the developing military-industrial complex.

....look at the Middle East and thank Ike for buying into the idea that putting the Shah of Iran in power was a good idea.

I usually refrain from it, but it's a Youtube video I have to post just because Lyle has pulled a bunch from his catalog.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c

I can find any number of Obama slip ups on youtube...McCain knows we have 50 states, how about that? Does Obama? McCain gave Obama an out and said "just don't vote for funding if you disagree with the war" and Obama voted FOR funding...and McCain has been several times to Iraq and has seen what's going on first hand....he might not relay the message clearly all the time but he still knows better than Obama.

Obama has had every opportunity to actually head a movement to end the war and he has not done it.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Is 2004 early enough for you???

McCain, Schwarzkopf blast Rumsfeld - Conflict in Iraq - MSNBC.com

Oh my God...MSNBC too...please tell me they are "in the bag" for the Republicans.



A Clinton bringing honor to the White House...funny. And it's spelled HONOR...but then again I wouldn't expect you to know how to spell that one.....AWWWWWW SNAP....hahaha, totally kidding KL

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NBC is owned by GE, a giant corporation who make most of their money from corporate socialism via military contracting (one half of all government spending) and other government contracting, a corporation whose profits come mainly this way. NBC provide a tiny amount of total revenue. Yes, like the four other companies that control everything you watch they're in the bag for the GOP.

Honour is only spelt "honor" in American-English, a language closely related to English.

Great comment....I hope it shows everyone (again) how full of shit you are....accept your verbal whuppin!


If you are English then don't bitch about American politics....if you're American then drop the U, limey :mad:.....;D



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