Boxing Against a Random Thrower (More Detailed Question Inside)

How do you win a boxing match when the opponent just randomly swings hoping to land a hit?


A bunch of kids around my age (16) say they like to box each other. They do using boxing gloves and such. But when they do box all the do is swing randomly hoping to hit the other person. So basically its a matter of whoever has more luck, tougher, and stronger. Is there any way you can box professional-like and still win against someone like that??


I use to not even wanna box because I never felt like just randomly swinging and hope that the other person quits. When I "Box" I dont give up till i either get knocked out or they give up. Here is a video of two of my friends boxing and tell me how I could just win that in a matter of a couple punches.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXN52xXzg..


I don't train as a true boxer, but I've watched enough you tube videos and practiced on a punching bag to know how to properly fight.

Well as long as you've watched enough youtube vids, don't sweat it. You're all set.

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Originally Posted by galley

I don't train as a true boxer, but I've watched enough you tube videos and practiced on a punching bag to know how to properly fight.

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ahh..another youtube trained fighter..

Awesome. See you on HBO in the future.

A legit awnser
Learn all your punches,a solid driving jab would have kept both of them out,an uppercut would have made them pay inside,and a legit cross could have dropped either one of them on their keister,because all I saw was bad defense and sloppy hooks

lol. youtube coulda taught him THAT.

I think they're easier that way.

All I do is put on my ear muffs and walk towards them.

I push my way inside and find the body.
When at very close quarters a random opponent will not be able to retaliate effectively and his random punches will have little chance of penetrating your guard.

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

I think they're easier that way.

All I do is put on my ear muffs and walk towards them.

I push my way inside and find the body.
When at very close quarters a random opponent will not be able to retaliate effectively and his random punches will have little chance of penetrating your guard.

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lol I should actually be answering this question honestly cuz i have about 20 retard friends who like to strap on the gloves in my basement every weekend to see if they can last a little bit.

I just play the counter against em (backaway from the wildness, look for a spot), and it is a feint right, left hook every time using the range that usually does the trick. Or a straight right thru the middle, left hook. Either way it don't last long.

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Originally Posted by Youngblood

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

I think they're easier that way.

All I do is put on my ear muffs and walk towards them.

I push my way inside and find the body.
When at very close quarters a random opponent will not be able to retaliate effectively and his random punches will have little chance of penetrating your guard.

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lol I should actually be answering this question honestly cuz i have about 20 retard friends who like to strap on the gloves in my basement every weekend to see if they can last a little bit.

I just play the counter against em (backaway from the wildness, look for a spot), and it is a feint right, left hook every time using the range that usually does the trick. Or a straight right thru the middle, left hook. Either way it don't last long.

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I do the same, often inexpierienced guys just come in throwing bobs, it's a good test f defense so I allow them to whale on me to start, they tire easily then I just jab and cross the body until they give up.

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Originally Posted by Youngblood

Well as long as you've watched enough youtube vids, don't sweat it. You're all set.

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:biglaugh: Nice.

I hate youtube/backyard boxing with a passion. :mad:

Even at a real boxing gym against super inexperienced guys, I become a more a of a counterpuncher when guys are throwing nothing by wild bombs. If you have any skill at all, you can see them coming a mile away, slip or roll them them come back hard, even if it's just a really stiff jab. Those guys in the video are so off balance it's not even funny.

You can also do what Donny says. That works, too.

spot on rozzy. countering newbs is easier than shooting fish in a barrel.


"sot on" oh shit. im becoming british. ;D

I would get a real boxing trainer if my parents would allow it. But the nearest boxing gym is about 30-40 minutes away and I dont have a car therefore my parents would have to drive and they dont want to. So you tube is the closest thing i got to that.

I'd love to get real training.

Is it a good idea if i prance around them and have them continue to randomly swing until they tire out?

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Originally Posted by galley

I would get a real boxing trainer if my parents would allow it. But the nearest boxing gym is about 30-40 minutes away and I dont have a car therefore my parents would have to drive and they dont want to. So you tube is the closest thing i got to that.

I'd love to get real training.

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Look, I realized I took a shot against you in my first reply, but honestly, if you want to box bad enough, you'll find a way. I take my bicycle often to my gym 30-40+ mins one way. I pay for my stuff often with my paper route. My dad does help me out, but if he didn't, I'd still find away.

Suggesting experience by watching youtube vids you are just setting yourself for ridicule, and also, for disappointment thinking you are actually learning boxing. For you are not. The only way to learn is to find a way to get your ass to a gym. Once there, you'll know soon enough if this sport is for you or not, and in a hurry too.

Anyway, good luck, hope you find your way there.

I'll try, but the nearest place is in Indianapolis meaning i have to take the highways.

I don't watch the youtube videos expecting to become as good as some of you guys maybe. I just watch them to get a clue to how to move and how to do different hits without injuring myself. But I'll try to talk my parents into letting me hopefully something will change.

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Originally Posted by galley

I don't watch the youtube videos expecting to become as good as some of you guys maybe. I just watch them to get a clue to how to move and how to do different hits without injuring myself. But I'll try to talk my parents into letting me hopefully something will change.

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There is nothing wrong with gathering information from websites or utube, it is why we are here. We are learning and sharing what we know, and as we go. It all helps. If until you can find a way it is all you have, okay, make the best of it. I suggest you look into some of our conditioning routines. Those you can do at home. Of course still bang your bag around. Use what you have. Point is, and simply, yes, talk to your parents or finda way to make it happen if it is truly what you want to do.

You are not a boxer until you've walked thru the door and paid your dues, in both time and pain. That's my opinion, anyway.

Yea man, I already lift every other day... and almost year around I run long distance. Cross Country and Track haha. But thanks for all the advice you guys gave me, I really appreciate it.

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Originally Posted by Von Milash

spot on rozzy. countering newbs is easier than shooting fish in a barrel.


"sot on" oh shit. im becoming british. ;D

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I think it's best way to learn to counter. Once you learn the basic counters against the newbs, you can start to apply and refine it against better competition. It's hard to practice counterpuncher against more savy, experienced guys. When I'm in with better boxers, I focus on trying to work off my jab and impose my will on offensive. I'm much better off trying to lead and letting them counter me. That way, they expose my flaws on offense and it gives me things to work on between sparring sessions. If I fight that style against less experienced guys, I just don't learn as much. I usually start out and box a round or most of a round with my normal aggressive style, but if I'm landing too easily and not getting hit back, I back off and let them come to me more. It's all about getting most learning out of whoever you are sparring with.

One punch will end there fights, liver punch. Every single time one of those guys or other newbies fight they throw a lead right haymaker . Duck under it, step in and punch a shovel hook (mix between hook and uppercut) into their right ribs aka a liver shot. Most likely they would have not experienced this and will drop them the first time they receive it. This tactic I find is great for defending myself when jackasses like to swing at you just because you do boxing, you then can then trip them from this position and walk away without the risk of signifciantly hurting yourself or them. But try get to a gym mate, you will be much better for it.

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Originally Posted by galley

I would get a real boxing trainer if my parents would allow it. But the nearest boxing gym is about 30-40 minutes away and I dont have a car therefore my parents would have to drive and they dont want to. So you tube is the closest thing i got to that.

I'd love to get real training.

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Look, I realized I took a shot against you in my first reply, but honestly, if you want to box bad enough, you'll find a way. I take my bicycle often to my gym 30-40+ mins one way. I pay for my stuff often with my paper route. My dad does help me out, but if he didn't, I'd still find away.

Suggesting experience by watching youtube vids you are just setting yourself for ridicule, and also, for disappointment thinking you are actually learning boxing. For you are not. The only way to learn is to find a way to get your ass to a gym. Once there, you'll know soon enough if this sport is for you or not, and in a hurry too.

Anyway, good luck, hope you find your way there.

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Agreed. If you really want to do it and the only thing stopping you is a ride, that's a pretty weak excuse. And 9 times out of 10 if a parent sees their kids is driven enough to do something on their own and stick with it they'll help out.

Putting on gloves and swinging wildly with your buddies is incredibly dangerous. I'm not go in to all the injuries that could result because I have a feeling I'd be wasting my time.

If you really love boxing you'll join the gym. Join with a friend and get a ride from them, ride the bus, whatever. If you don't have the drive to even get to a gym you'll never stick with it and you'll never be any good. But if you do really want to do it, you will.

Maybe Gally's parets are drunks and hate him. ;D


seriously, as mich as boxing is a great first line of defense, there are other things you can do/learn in the meantime until you get wheel.

muay thai, judo, and brazilian jui jitsu are great options. Even gecco roman wrestling is a great combat sport to learn and any of these will compliment boing skills quite nicely....which you can pick up later.

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Originally Posted by Von Milash

Maybe Gally's parets are drunks and hate him. ;D


seriously, as mich as boxing is a great first line of defense, there are other things you can do/learn in the meantime until you get wheel.

muay thai, judo, and brazilian jui jitsu are great options. Even gecco roman wrestling is a great combat sport to learn and any of these will compliment boing skills quite nicely....which you can pick up later.

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It's a hell of a lot faster to become effective with Bjj or Muay Thai than it is with boxing.

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

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Originally Posted by Von Milash

Maybe Gally's parets are drunks and hate him. ;D


seriously, as mich as boxing is a great first line of defense, there are other things you can do/learn in the meantime until you get wheel.

muay thai, judo, and brazilian jui jitsu are great options. Even gecco roman wrestling is a great combat sport to learn and any of these will compliment boing skills quite nicely....which you can pick up later.

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It's a hell of a lot faster to become effective with Bjj or Muay Thai than it is with boxing.

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How much Muay Thai does it take, do you think, to get effective with the basics? Since my boxing gym is attached to a Muay Thai gym and I can take those classes anytime, I've considered giving it a try, but I didn't want to mix up my techniques at this point in my learning. Not that I'm particularly concerned with street fighting and self-defense, but I'm kinda curious. They even offer BJJ once per week, but I haven't gotten around to giving it a try.

To actually be good at Muy Thai takes alot of conditioning,its murder on your shins

Ya know, as ridiculous as this may sound, it isn't bad practice fighting or sparring these wild nut backyard type guys if you're an amateur. For about 1/2 of the people I see at tours are basically doing just that, but just with slightly more technique.

Atleast it prepares you a little bit for it.

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

To actually be good at Muy Thai takes alot of conditioning,its murder on your shins

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That I know. The Muay Thai guys are conditioned incredibly well. I've watch their workouts, and they are tough SOB's. They're conditioning routine is brutal.

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To actually be good at Muy Thai takes alot of conditioning,its murder on your shins

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That I know. The Muay Thai guys are conditioned incredibly well. I've watch their workouts, and they are tough SOB's. They're conditioning routine is brutal.

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I did it a bit,my shins are still a scar from knee down. I mean it just tears you the bad word up

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To actually be good at Muy Thai takes alot of conditioning,its murder on your shins

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That I know. The Muay Thai guys are conditioned incredibly well. I've watch their workouts, and they are tough SOB's. They're conditioning routine is brutal.

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I did it a bit,my shins are still a scar from knee down. I mean it just tears you the bad word up

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I am curious about Muay thai, though I hate a knock on a shin. Was wondering if your shins get used to it, and if the bones actually get tougher after practicing it for a while?

On a related note, what are your guys opinions on the benefits of doing a little kickboxing or Muay Thai to complement boxing? Does the act of repeatedly kicking a heavy bag (with proper form, not wellying it like a football) help develope leg strength and balance?

but after a time it is nice to get hit in the shins and merely exhale and no harm is done...he he

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That I know. The Muay Thai guys are conditioned incredibly well. I've watch their workouts, and they are tough SOB's. They're conditioning routine is brutal.

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I did it a bit,my shins are still a scar from knee down. I mean it just tears you the bad word up

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I am curious about Muay thai, though I hate a knock on a shin. Was wondering if your shins get used to it, and if the bones actually get tougher after practicing it for a while?

On a related note, what are your guys opinions on the benefits of doing a little kickboxing or Muay Thai to complement boxing? Does the act of repeatedly kicking a heavy bag (with proper form, not wellying it like a football) help develope leg strength and balance?

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I know nothing of Muay Thai or kick boxing. What I do know is this. Most everyone at my club are ex MMA. They now focus specifically on boxing, and brought a set of skills with them that I believe started them off way ahead of others. Some of them have incredible hand speed.

I think it probably helps having some background in some combat sport for anything, to lead into another.

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Maybe Gally's parets are drunks and hate him. ;D


seriously, as mich as boxing is a great first line of defense, there are other things you can do/learn in the meantime until you get wheel.

muay thai, judo, and brazilian jui jitsu are great options. Even gecco roman wrestling is a great combat sport to learn and any of these will compliment boing skills quite nicely....which you can pick up later.

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It's a hell of a lot faster to become effective with Bjj or Muay Thai than it is with boxing.

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How much Muay Thai does it take, do you think, to get effective with the basics? Since my boxing gym is attached to a Muay Thai gym and I can take those classes anytime, I've considered giving it a try, but I didn't want to mix up my techniques at this point in my learning. Not that I'm particularly concerned with street fighting and self-defense, but I'm kinda curious. They even offer BJJ once per week, but I haven't gotten around to giving it a try.

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Well you're learning to throw elbows and knees correctly so automatically, theres a big advantage (from a street point of view.)
Muay Thai requires big fitness, brute force and determination, its a great regime.

BJJ....what can I say? Anyone gets on the ground with an expiereinced BJJ practiocioner and you'll get broken up.

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It's a hell of a lot faster to become effective with Bjj or Muay Thai than it is with boxing.

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How much Muay Thai does it take, do you think, to get effective with the basics? Since my boxing gym is attached to a Muay Thai gym and I can take those classes anytime, I've considered giving it a try, but I didn't want to mix up my techniques at this point in my learning. Not that I'm particularly concerned with street fighting and self-defense, but I'm kinda curious. They even offer BJJ once per week, but I haven't gotten around to giving it a try.

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Well you're learning to throw elbows and knees correctly so automatically, theres a big advantage (from a street point of view.)
Muay Thai requires big fitness, brute force and determination, its a great regime.

BJJ....what can I say? Anyone gets on the ground with an expiereinced BJJ practiocioner and you'll get broken up.

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Cha bra,you dont get your head around the shins and the elbows,your getting thrashed

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How much Muay Thai does it take, do you think, to get effective with the basics? Since my boxing gym is attached to a Muay Thai gym and I can take those classes anytime, I've considered giving it a try, but I didn't want to mix up my techniques at this point in my learning. Not that I'm particularly concerned with street fighting and self-defense, but I'm kinda curious. They even offer BJJ once per week, but I haven't gotten around to giving it a try.

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Well you're learning to throw elbows and knees correctly so automatically, theres a big advantage (from a street point of view.)
Muay Thai requires big fitness, brute force and determination, its a great regime.

BJJ....what can I say? Anyone gets on the ground with an expiereinced BJJ practiocioner and you'll get broken up.

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Cha bra,you dont get your head around the shins and the elbows,your getting thrashed

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For real....
The whole kicking and kneeing thing, its not for me, I'm a boxer, my job is to keep myself away from as much damage as possible.
You see how short their careers are?
DFone by 25!

Not for me, I'll just use the ring and my hands and be happy with my joints at 30.

No fragging kidding,I tried it for a little bit,and my left shin is best described as a collection of scar tissue.At least it was long enough ago,theyre starting to fade,and I can grow hair on it again

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No fragging kidding,I tried it for a little bit,and my left shin is best described as a collection of scar tissue.At least it was long enough ago,theyre starting to fade,and I can grow hair on it again

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Yeah it's pretty brutal.

I find when I spar Thai boxers, they're devoid of any tact or strategy also.
They're just programmed to destroy, or get destroyed themselves

I've never understood why muay thai, kickboxing and bjj are considered more "street" than boxing. I get into alot of "street" fights and the last thing I'd want to do is be on one leg even for a split second. What use is floorwork when your fighting more than one person? Why would you want to get close enough to use an elbow when people who start fights are almost always heavier and stronger than you?

I did muay thai for 4 years after doing TKD and i can say that the kicks are good just for the damage they can cause and distance they can keep you at, ive won many street fights when i was at school with just a foot jab and a roundhouse to the ribs, now im older i think i would also opt to remain on 2 feet in a fight but my earlier years were all about kicks, the elbows are good but like people have mentioned you gotta be up close so that means save them for after a clinch but to be honest after youve done with someone in a clinch there is no need for an elbow on the way out, you will build up the density of the bones in your shins if you start out hitting something hard but soft, basically something that is hard but will still conform to the shape of your shin rather than vice versa lol, like a heavy bag is perfect to start hardening your shins, and no matter what anyone says you will always feel pain in your shins there is no such thing as conditioning that will stop youfrom feeling pain, there is just the mindset that both fighters are in which is even if they are going to have the best fight of their life and destroy their opponent its gonna hurt a hell of a lot to do it and youve just gotta accept it, thats the reason i liked thaiboxing despite lack of tactics, its the self disciplin involved in fighting full muay thai

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I've never understood why muay thai, kickboxing and bjj are considered more "street" than boxing. I get into alot of "street" fights and the last thing I'd want to do is be on one leg even for a split second. What use is floorwork when your fighting more than one person? Why would you want to get close enough to use an elbow when people who start fights are almost always heavier and stronger than you?

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Jst revisiting this thread for the first time in a long while...
Since I've done a lot of BJJ and if I were to select one discipline to protect myself with BJJ would be it. Boxing is lethal, but if I were jumped it'd be BJJ I'd use to get out of the situation. Using boxing would just get you in trouble!

Boxing gets me out of trouble. I don't dance around and throw jabs though ;)