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Mundine to do big things in the MW division.
Here is a prediction from me for the rest of 2008 and 2009. I am a confused Mundine fan, I hate his out of ring shit but admire his skill and think he has the tools to be a better fighter than many ppl think.
Mundine fought at 168 without ever dieting, which means he has always been more a 160 fighter anyway. He is much improved and could beat anyone at 160 on his night.
I think if he gets some of the big fights in the division he will be seen as a top 2 MW by end of 2009. Laugh if u like but im pretty confident in this prediction.
Thoughts, and please make them intelligent;D
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eagle
Here is a prediction from me for the rest of 2008 and 2009. I am a confused Mundine fan, I hate his out of ring shit but admire his skill and think he has the tools to be a better fighter than many ppl think.
Mundine fought at 168 without ever dieting, which means he has always been more a 160 fighter anyway. He is much improved and could beat anyone at 160 on his night.
I think if he gets some of the big fights in the division he will be seen as a top 2 MW by end of 2009. Laugh if u like but im pretty confident in this prediction.
Thoughts, and please make them intelligent;D
If Sven Ottka can KO Mundine , it would be a video nasty if he fought Pavlik.
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I think he'd be competitive against the top 160lbers, I don't think he'd beat Pavlik and maybe not Abraham, but I could see him doing quite well.
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Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
eagle
Here is a prediction from me for the rest of 2008 and 2009. I am a confused Mundine fan, I hate his out of ring shit but admire his skill and think he has the tools to be a better fighter than many ppl think.
Mundine fought at 168 without ever dieting, which means he has always been more a 160 fighter anyway. He is much improved and could beat anyone at 160 on his night.
I think if he gets some of the big fights in the division he will be seen as a top 2 MW by end of 2009. Laugh if u like but im pretty confident in this prediction.
Thoughts, and please make them intelligent;D
If Sven Ottka can KO Mundine , it would be a video nasty if he fought Pavlik.
See that is a dumb post. Did Kessler KO Mundine? Just cos Mundine got KO'd in his 10th fight some 25 fights ago dont mean he is gonna get KO'd whenever he fights somenoe who can punch. Danny Green was maybe the most powerful puncher at 168 when Mundine fought him and he never got hit.
Saying that the Ottke v Mundine fight is still relevant is like saying that the Pacquiao v Singsurat fight is still relevant. Has Manny got a glass jaw cos he got sparked early in his career?
The ottke fight is often brought up by ppl who have seen little or none of Mundine fighting since...
Mundine destroyed Soliman who pushed Wright to the limit. He totally outboxed Danny Green a top 168 and 175 fighter, and was the first person before Calzaghe to seriously push Kessler. Thats right none of that counts cos he got Ko'd in his 10th fight which happened to be a title fight. He was fighting for a title when most contenders are still beating up the Charlie Zelenofs of the boxing world.
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CFH
I think he'd be competitive against the top 160lbers, I don't think he'd beat Pavlik and maybe not Abraham, but I could see him doing quite well.
I think he'd surprise ppl against Pavlik. May lose on points cos of Kelly's superior workrate. I'd actually pick him to beat Abraham.
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He would definatly suprise me if he lasted 6 rounds with Pavlik.
And to be fair i think he is the biggest prick in boxing , closely followed by Paulie Mallanaggi.
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eagle
See that is a dumb post. Did Kessler KO Mundine? Just cos Mundine got KO'd in his 10th fight some 25 fights ago dont mean he is gonna get KO'd whenever he fights somenoe who can punch. Danny Green was maybe the most powerful puncher at 168 when Mundine fought him and he never got hit.
Saying that the Ottke v Mundine fight is still relevant is like saying that the Pacquiao v Singsurat fight is still relevant. Has Manny got a glass jaw cos he got sparked early in his career?
The ottke fight is often brought up by ppl who have seen little or none of Mundine fighting since...
Mundine destroyed Soliman who pushed Wright to the limit. He totally outboxed Danny Green a top 168 and 175 fighter, and was the first person before Calzaghe to seriously push Kessler. Thats right none of that counts cos he got Ko'd in his 10th fight which happened to be a title fight. He was fighting for a title when most contenders are still beating up the Charlie Zelenofs of the boxing world.
That to is a dumb post as Mundine has fought 2 non cab driver's since that fight, losing to Kessler and beat Green, but Green was over his hill by then and was never as skilled as mundine. Mundine needs to prove himself before he gets any high fives from the public. Unless of course you want to see Mundine - Soliman IV, it's getting more rediculous than the rocky series.
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He wont be heading for big things if he takes fights like this one he is planning...
Anthony Mundine vs. Shannan Taylor in The Works - Boxing News
He may aswell stand in front of a truck as this will do as much for his talent as the fight against shannon taylor :S
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Mundine has decent skills, but he is a joker, the fights he chasing prove it. He's just looking to make as much money as possible for little risk by fighting other Aussies, soliman and Taylor were never world class, and he actually ducks a payday with a credible opponent in Kessler (going to purse bid he'd have got the lions share of the purse as well being champ.).
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Mundine has decent skills, but he is a joker, the fights he chasing prove it. He's just looking to make as much money as possible for little risk by fighting other Aussies, soliman and Taylor were never world class, and he actually ducks a payday with a credible opponent in Kessler (going to purse bid he'd have got the lions share of the purse as well being champ.).
He's not a real champ, champ's defend their belt against people who stand a chance, they also fight for glory. He does neither, he won by default, fight's people not up to his level and dodges other champions. Biggest faker in Aus sport past, present and future.
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Saddo needs to fix the forum system so that the word "Mundine" is treated like a swear word and *******'d out...
Seriously, Mayweather gets heat from not fighting Cotto, but at least he's actually fought some of the best.. Hell, he's fought all the best for the last 10 years.... Mundine is the equivelant of Mayweather fighting ODLH for his next 15 "megafights" just because he knows it'll make at least some money no matter how many times the get in the ring..
I do not even think it is realistic to discuss whether Mundine is good or not, or discuss whether he could beat this or that person.. Because seriously he has not put himself in a challenging fight in the last 5 years...
He gave up his belt because he did not want to fight a genuine challenger, and to take up arms against Sam Soliman for the 3rd time... There was only ever a point to them fighting once... Maybe if Mundine had gone overseas for a bunch of fights and tried to make something similar to a 'boxing career' (someone please explain that concept to him and his people), then he could have come back here and listened to "what the fans wanted" and done a "by demand" rematch with Sam Soliman... Even then, that would be 2 fights... And a third would STILL be as irellevant as it was when they last fought...
Every single time I find out his next opponent, I feel a glimmer of hope.. A glimmer of hope that Anthony Mundine has a very weird sense of humour.. He's deliberatly making joke fights... He's just taking the piss out of all of us this one last time, just because he can.. Just because he can still make a little bit of money from it... THENNNN, THEENNNNN he'll be normal and move up to a better class of opponent.... BUT nope... I was done with that theory, of him taking the piss,6 fights ago!!! Now I just think he's a total ******* moron, and this latest Shannan Taylor is the turd on top of the turd icecream of a career...
Mundine does not deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Pavlik.. He does not deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence and Middleweight.. And he does not even deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Boxing.....
An idea would be for him to tape his mouth shut and demand no camera be pointed at him ever again. Then he can fight who he wants and no one, namely me, will not need to give a shit....... BUT, every time I turn the television on, and our know nothing sports telecasts have his stupid face chanting his favourite 4 words "I am the Greatest".. It makes me sick... All he needs to do is add just 4 more words on to that, and it'll be perfect "Wanker of all time!"
If this Taylor fight goes ahead, I am personally going around to his house and punching him while he is asleep in bed... EVERYONE in Australia needs to wake up and see what a gigantic phoney he is, and throw stones at him when they see him.... He is tiring and he makes me sick..
Now you must excuse me, i'm going to go throw up now.....
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Mate I want to rep you so badly for that post but it isn't letting me, I will soon as possible as you have hit the nail on the head!
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Mundine is a c class fighter, he fights cab drivers and thinks he deserves a shot at the best middleweight who would beat him so bad if they did fight. he got ko'd by a pillow puncher and lost when he stepped up to fight kessler. he is rubbish and would be lucky to win a middleweight title.
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Mundine moving to 160 is a good idea, because two of the big threats there are most likely leaving soon (Pavlik and Taylor) leaving Arthur Abraham, Edison Miranda, Felix Sturm and Sebastian Sylvester as threats
Then you have the old guys who probably won't fight much if at all in this division anymore Winky, Castillejo.
Young waiting to be exploited fighters, Mora and Duddy.
If ever he was going to move to 160 now is the time.
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eagle
Here is a prediction from me for the rest of 2008 and 2009. I am a confused Mundine fan, I hate his out of ring shit but admire his skill and think he has the tools to be a better fighter than many ppl think.
Mundine fought at 168 without ever dieting, which means he has always been more a 160 fighter anyway. He is much improved and could beat anyone at 160 on his night.
I think if he gets some of the big fights in the division he will be seen as a top 2 MW by end of 2009. Laugh if u like but im pretty confident in this prediction.
Thoughts, and please make them intelligent;D
On Mudine's best night he does not beat Kelly Pavlik at 160. He is not better then Kessler at 168.
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You know if it wasn't Mundine I wouldn't say much about the Taylor fight cause he's moving to a new division but how long has it been since he's fought a good fighter, its absolutely hilarious.
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Mundine moving to 160 is a good idea, because two of the big threats there are most likely leaving soon (Pavlik and Taylor) leaving Arthur Abraham, Edison Miranda, Felix Sturm and Sebastian Sylvester as threats
Then you have the old guys who probably won't fight much if at all in this division anymore Winky, Castillejo.
Young waiting to be exploited fighters, Mora and Duddy.
If ever he was going to move to 160 now is the time.
Miranda's moved up to 168 as well. The Abraham-Miranda rematch is at a catch-weight of 166.
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Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
eagle
Here is a prediction from me for the rest of 2008 and 2009. I am a confused Mundine fan, I hate his out of ring shit but admire his skill and think he has the tools to be a better fighter than many ppl think.
Mundine fought at 168 without ever dieting, which means he has always been more a 160 fighter anyway. He is much improved and could beat anyone at 160 on his night.
I think if he gets some of the big fights in the division he will be seen as a top 2 MW by end of 2009. Laugh if u like but im pretty confident in this prediction.
Thoughts, and please make them intelligent;D
If Sven Ottka can KO Mundine , it would be a video nasty if he fought Pavlik.
if that knockout had any relevance anymore then Mundine wouldnt be a current champ would he?
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I don't think Mundine ducks anyone but it isnt like any other super middleweight called out Mundine or tried to get a fight with him.
Miranda, Pascal Calzaghe, Mack or that guy who does backflips.
none of them called out Mundine so how is Mundine ducking them? Shouldn't it be the other way around? or is it the only way around with fighters you prefer over the other?
I think Mundine is pretty good. But I don't think he's ducking anyone since no one has been throwing out his name.
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Salty
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See that is a dumb post. Did Kessler KO Mundine? Just cos Mundine got KO'd in his 10th fight some 25 fights ago dont mean he is gonna get KO'd whenever he fights somenoe who can punch. Danny Green was maybe the most powerful puncher at 168 when Mundine fought him and he never got hit.
Saying that the Ottke v Mundine fight is still relevant is like saying that the Pacquiao v Singsurat fight is still relevant. Has Manny got a glass jaw cos he got sparked early in his career?
The ottke fight is often brought up by ppl who have seen little or none of Mundine fighting since...
Mundine destroyed Soliman who pushed Wright to the limit. He totally outboxed Danny Green a top 168 and 175 fighter, and was the first person before Calzaghe to seriously push Kessler. Thats right none of that counts cos he got Ko'd in his 10th fight which happened to be a title fight. He was fighting for a title when most contenders are still beating up the Charlie Zelenofs of the boxing world.
That to is a dumb post as Mundine has fought 2 non cab driver's since that fight, losing to Kessler and beat Green, but Green was over his hill by then and was never as skilled as mundine. Mundine needs to prove himself before he gets any high fives from the public. Unless of course you want to see Mundine - Soliman IV, it's getting more rediculous than the rocky series.
Ok Green over the hill. I guess all over the hill fighters move up a division and win a WBA title. Shot fighters do that all the time....
As Majesty said, name the last time a top fighter at 168 or 160 called Mundine out? They dont cos they know he is a threat.
Too many ppl let what a fighter does out of the ring blur their judgement of how good these fighters are in the ring...... Happens all the time.
I think the only guy who would beat Mundine at 160 at the moment is Pavlik and even that'd be closer than most ppl think. Over in 6?
My original post said that if Mundine moves to 160 and gets a few of the big names he'll be in the top couple in the division. What is so wrong about that?
I'll stand by my claim and admit it if im wrong, will the guys that say he is crap admit he is ok if he gets to the top 2 or 3 at 160. If being top 3 in a division is not doing big things then what is?
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Originally Posted by
eagle
Here is a prediction from me for the rest of 2008 and 2009. I am a confused Mundine fan, I hate his out of ring shit but admire his skill and think he has the tools to be a better fighter than many ppl think.
Mundine fought at 168 without ever dieting, which means he has always been more a 160 fighter anyway. He is much improved and could beat anyone at 160 on his night.
I think if he gets some of the big fights in the division he will be seen as a top 2 MW by end of 2009. Laugh if u like but im pretty confident in this prediction.
Thoughts, and please make them intelligent;D
Eagle, Mundine looked pretty cut against Soliman, where is he going to lose this 8lb to get to 160?
He may be pushing his luck trying to get to 160 and have the power to mix it with Pavlik, Abraham etc Boxing wise he gives those guys some headaches with his speed, what worries me about him is will he have the stamina to last 12 rounds with these guys? There is one thing about Mundine that no one can deny and that is he is supremely fit and he looked like he could go another 12 rounds the other night. Taking off another 8lb may put this advantage in jeopardy. I hope he fights Abraham this year and we will find out soon enough. I think Pavlik and Wright will stay clear of him, he has no profile in the USA at all and a match made there seems unlikely as i am sure both Pavlik and Wright are after big pay days. Abraham may come to OZ as he has no US profile either but that will change after he beats Miranda. Mundine should go to the States and fight on an undercard in the next 3 months.
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If he stayed at 168 he would get badly smashed, espcially by my man Froch.
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If he stayed at 168 he would get badly smashed, espcially by my man Froch.
Joke right? PPl complain about Mundine's lack of quality opponents, but his resume shits all over Frochs. Soliman is 10 times as good as anyone Froch has fought. Mundine is deadly accurate if nothing else so that leaky defense of Carls would be breached with ease.
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Ok Green over the hill. I guess all over the hill fighters move up a division and win a WBA title. Shot fighters do that all the time....
As Majesty said, name the last time a top fighter at 168 or 160 called Mundine out? They dont cos they know he is a threat.
Too many ppl let what a fighter does out of the ring blur their judgement of how good these fighters are in the ring...... Happens all the time.
I think the only guy who would beat Mundine at 160 at the moment is Pavlik and even that'd be closer than most ppl think. Over in 6?
My original post said that if Mundine moves to 160 and gets a few of the big names he'll be in the top couple in the division. What is so wrong about that?
I'll stand by my claim and admit it if im wrong, will the guys that say he is crap admit he is ok if he gets to the top 2 or 3 at 160. If being top 3 in a division is not doing big things then what is?
Mate did you even watch the Green title fight? The other guy would have thrown like 3 punches the whole fight and green was never the same after Germany.
How can you tell how well he will do against good opponents? Seeing as he hasn't fought any in years, he ducked Kessler, plain and simply ducked him gave up his "world title belt" just so he wouldn't have to fight him. Now he's fighting another one supposedly not up to his skill level. I am starting to think he will never be up to their skill level simply because he will never fight anyone decent.
After all even I can look like Roy Jones in the ring if I am fighting people way below my skill level, but against people my own level thats not always the case.
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eagle
Ok Green over the hill. I guess all over the hill fighters move up a division and win a WBA title. Shot fighters do that all the time....
As Majesty said, name the last time a top fighter at 168 or 160 called Mundine out? They dont cos they know he is a threat.
Too many ppl let what a fighter does out of the ring blur their judgement of how good these fighters are in the ring...... Happens all the time.
I think the only guy who would beat Mundine at 160 at the moment is Pavlik and even that'd be closer than most ppl think. Over in 6?
My original post said that if Mundine moves to 160 and gets a few of the big names he'll be in the top couple in the division. What is so wrong about that?
I'll stand by my claim and admit it if im wrong, will the guys that say he is crap admit he is ok if he gets to the top 2 or 3 at 160. If being top 3 in a division is not doing big things then what is?
Mate did you even watch the Green title fight? The other guy would have thrown like 3 punches the whole fight and green was never the same after Germany.
How can you tell how well he will do against good opponents? Seeing as he hasn't fought any in years, he ducked Kessler, plain and simply ducked him gave up his "world title belt" just so he wouldn't have to fight him. Now he's fighting another one supposedly not up to his skill level. I am starting to think he will never be up to their skill level simply because he will never fight anyone decent.
After all even I can look like Roy Jones in the ring if I am fighting people way below my skill level, but against people my own level thats not always the case.
The reason Drews threw fuck all punches is cos he was scared. If Green was so shot and past it why was Drews scared?
Like i said if Mundine goes down to 160 and becomes a top 2 or 3 guy in the next couple of years i'll be right and u should come straight on here and apologise.
If he goes down to 160 and does nothing well i'll admit i was wrong. I do that when i am proved wrong. As i said in my first post if Mundine gets the top guys at 160 i think he will do big things, who other than Pavlik is gonna beat him? Sturm or Abraham?
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Mundine has no heart, otherwise he would have fought kessler and not Soliman III. There's no indication this is going to change with this "big name" move to 160; Shannon Taylor. What an absolute joke, he could be a big name fighter by now, but instead he's an againg 33 year old who's wasting his best days of his career fighting idiots. It would be lucky if he even made money off this fight because the Australian public realise he only fights people who have no chance. Hopefully TAB will be stupid enough to pay out 1.50 for a mundine win here so I can at least win some money from him.
But face the facts mate mundine is not going to get any quicker, in fact his reflexes and fitness will start to decline, it's a fact. So unless he does something this fight or next one he will never be in the top 2, do you think he'd ever fight in germany for sturm? I don't think so and defently not the US for abraham, he doesn't have the guts or heart. He may as well start putting his centrelink forms in now.
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Dark Lord Al
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eagle
Here is a prediction from me for the rest of 2008 and 2009. I am a confused Mundine fan, I hate his out of ring shit but admire his skill and think he has the tools to be a better fighter than many ppl think.
Mundine fought at 168 without ever dieting, which means he has always been more a 160 fighter anyway. He is much improved and could beat anyone at 160 on his night.
I think if he gets some of the big fights in the division he will be seen as a top 2 MW by end of 2009. Laugh if u like but im pretty confident in this prediction.
Thoughts, and please make them intelligent;D
If Sven Ottka can KO Mundine , it would be a video nasty if he fought Pavlik.
if that knockout had any relevance anymore then Mundine wouldnt be a current champ would he?
My point was that Mundine hasent fought anyone who can hit like Pavlik and he has shown a weakness in the past to a light punchers , so my opinion is Pavlik would brutally KO him .
I think if they did fight after 2 or 3 rounds Mundine would have a swift and sudden fall from grace , and sunny days would feel far away .;D
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If Sven Ottka can KO Mundine , it would be a video nasty if he fought Pavlik.
if that knockout had any relevance anymore then Mundine wouldnt be a current champ would he?
My point was that Mundine hasent fought anyone who can hit like Pavlik and he has shown a weakness in the past to a light punchers , so my opinion is Pavlik would brutally KO him .
I think if they did fight after 2 or 3 rounds Mundine would have a swift and sudden fall from grace , and sunny days would feel far away .
My point is he has fought guys with big punches, Kessler, Green, Echols, sure they may not punch as hard as Kelly but they all punch hard enough to KO anyone if they get it right. He has fought better opponents in his career than the likes of Abraham, Froch and Sturm yet they dont get half the criticism he does.
I still say Mundine is a cock, he is full of shit, he thinks he is better then what he is proven, but i dont for one minute let that cloud my judgement on his ability. If he fights the top guys at 160 he'll beat em all except maybe Pavlik and he'll go 12 with Kelly.
If im proven wring ill admit it.
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if that knockout had any relevance anymore then Mundine wouldnt be a current champ would he?
My point was that Mundine hasent fought anyone who can hit like Pavlik and he has shown a weakness in the past to a light punchers , so my opinion is Pavlik would brutally KO him .
I think if they did fight after 2 or 3 rounds Mundine would have a swift and sudden fall from grace , and sunny days would feel far away .
My point is he has fought guys with big punches, Kessler, Green, Echols, sure they may not punch as hard as Kelly but they all punch hard enough to KO anyone if they get it right. He has fought better opponents in his career than the likes of Abraham, Froch and Sturm yet they dont get half the criticism he does.
I still say Mundine is a cock, he is full of shit, he thinks he is better then what he is proven, but i dont for one minute let that cloud my judgement on his ability. If he fights the top guys at 160 he'll beat em all except maybe Pavlik and he'll go 12 with Kelly.
If im proven wring ill admit it.
Yes i respect your opinion dude , we will have to see if the fight ever happens.;D
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eagle
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Dark Lord Al
My point was that Mundine hasent fought anyone who can hit like Pavlik and he has shown a weakness in the past to a light punchers , so my opinion is Pavlik would brutally KO him .
I think if they did fight after 2 or 3 rounds Mundine would have a swift and sudden fall from grace , and sunny days would feel far away .
My point is he has fought guys with big punches, Kessler, Green, Echols, sure they may not punch as hard as Kelly but they all punch hard enough to KO anyone if they get it right. He has fought better opponents in his career than the likes of Abraham, Froch and Sturm yet they dont get half the criticism he does.
I still say Mundine is a cock, he is full of shit, he thinks he is better then what he is proven, but i dont for one minute let that cloud my judgement on his ability. If he fights the top guys at 160 he'll beat em all except maybe Pavlik and he'll go 12 with Kelly.
If im proven wring ill admit it.
Yes i respect your opinion dude , we will have to see if the fight ever happens.;D
you know the fights won't happen or this thread wouldn't even exist.
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My point is he has fought guys with big punches, Kessler, Green, Echols, sure they may not punch as hard as Kelly but they all punch hard enough to KO anyone if they get it right. He has fought better opponents in his career than the likes of Abraham, Froch and Sturm yet they dont get half the criticism he does.
I still say Mundine is a cock, he is full of shit, he thinks he is better then what he is proven, but i dont for one minute let that cloud my judgement on his ability. If he fights the top guys at 160 he'll beat em all except maybe Pavlik and he'll go 12 with Kelly.
If im proven wring ill admit it.
Yes i respect your opinion dude , we will have to see if the fight ever happens.;D
you know the fights won't happen or this thread wouldn't even exist.
Mundine called out Sturm, Abraham and Winky but none of them wanted it.
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Yes i respect your opinion dude , we will have to see if the fight ever happens.;D
you know the fights won't happen or this thread wouldn't even exist.
Mundine called out Sturm, Abraham and Winky but none of them wanted it.
I would pick both Abraham and Winky over Mundine. The problem, in my opinion, is that Mundine is a high risk/low reward fight. Not many people outside of Aus. know who he is, thus it would not generate much interest, but Mundine has a decent chance at beating all of those fighters. So they probably look at it and think it's just not worth it.
Now, you could say that Mundine's unwillingness to fight a better/more international level of competition is the reason he is not well known, but that's a matter of opinion.
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you know the fights won't happen or this thread wouldn't even exist.
Mundine called out Sturm, Abraham and Winky but none of them wanted it.
I would pick both Abraham and Winky over Mundine. The problem, in my opinion, is that Mundine is a high risk/low reward fight. Not many people outside of Aus. know who he is, thus it would not generate much interest, but Mundine has a decent chance at beating all of those fighters. So they probably look at it and think it's just not worth it.
Now, you could say that Mundine's unwillingness to fight a better/more international level of competition is the reason he is not well known, but that's a matter of opinion.
Anyone who would be willing to come to oz to fight would make good cash IMO. Mundine made 5 million and green 2.5 million in their fight. How many fights would Winky Wright have made 2.5 million in? Wright v Mundine would sell its ass off PPV in Australia mainly cos a lot of ppl here wanna see Mundine beaten.
Mundine has not taken the big step overseas, probably for the same reason a lot of non american fighters stay at home, he can make heaps of cash fighting medium level opponents at home. Joe Calzaghe did it, Sturm and Abraham are doing it, Sven Ottke made a career of it.
Atleast now Mundine is talking about going overseas and if he does i think he will be more impressive than a lot of guys think. It is an IF at the moment tho and the ball is in his court.
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Re: Mundine to do big things in the MW division.
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eagle
Mundine called out Sturm, Abraham and Winky but none of them wanted it.
I would pick both Abraham and Winky over Mundine. The problem, in my opinion, is that Mundine is a high risk/low reward fight. Not many people outside of Aus. know who he is, thus it would not generate much interest, but Mundine has a decent chance at beating all of those fighters. So they probably look at it and think it's just not worth it.
Now, you could say that Mundine's unwillingness to fight a better/more international level of competition is the reason he is not well known, but that's a matter of opinion.
Anyone who would be willing to come to oz to fight would make good cash IMO. Mundine made 5 million and green 2.5 million in their fight. How many fights would Winky Wright have made 2.5 million in? Wright v Mundine would sell its ass off PPV in Australia mainly cos a lot of ppl here wanna see Mundine beaten.
Mundine has not taken the big step overseas, probably for the same reason a lot of non american fighters stay at home, he can make heaps of cash fighting medium level opponents at home. Joe Calzaghe did it, Sturm and Abraham are doing it, Sven Ottke made a career of it.
Atleast now Mundine is talking about going overseas and if he does i think he will be more impressive than a lot of guys think. It is an IF at the moment tho and the ball is in his court.
I don't disagree, I just think it's a risk/reward thing. A lot of fighters would be wary of fighting in Mundine's backyard in a fight that would already be relatively low-profile (internationally) and high-risk.
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CFH
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eagle
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CFH
I would pick both Abraham and Winky over Mundine. The problem, in my opinion, is that Mundine is a high risk/low reward fight. Not many people outside of Aus. know who he is, thus it would not generate much interest, but Mundine has a decent chance at beating all of those fighters. So they probably look at it and think it's just not worth it.
Now, you could say that Mundine's unwillingness to fight a better/more international level of competition is the reason he is not well known, but that's a matter of opinion.
Anyone who would be willing to come to oz to fight would make good cash IMO. Mundine made 5 million and green 2.5 million in their fight. How many fights would Winky Wright have made 2.5 million in? Wright v Mundine would sell its ass off PPV in Australia mainly cos a lot of ppl here wanna see Mundine beaten.
Mundine has not taken the big step overseas, probably for the same reason a lot of non american fighters stay at home, he can make heaps of cash fighting medium level opponents at home. Joe Calzaghe did it, Sturm and Abraham are doing it, Sven Ottke made a career of it.
Atleast now Mundine is talking about going overseas and if he does i think he will be more impressive than a lot of guys think. It is an IF at the moment tho and the ball is in his court.
I don't disagree, I just think it's a risk/reward thing. A lot of fighters would be wary of fighting in Mundine's backyard in a fight that would already be relatively low-profile (internationally) and high-risk.
2.5 million is pretty good reward;D in my books anyway.
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eagle
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CFH
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eagle
Anyone who would be willing to come to oz to fight would make good cash IMO. Mundine made 5 million and green 2.5 million in their fight. How many fights would Winky Wright have made 2.5 million in? Wright v Mundine would sell its ass off PPV in Australia mainly cos a lot of ppl here wanna see Mundine beaten.
Mundine has not taken the big step overseas, probably for the same reason a lot of non american fighters stay at home, he can make heaps of cash fighting medium level opponents at home. Joe Calzaghe did it, Sturm and Abraham are doing it, Sven Ottke made a career of it.
Atleast now Mundine is talking about going overseas and if he does i think he will be more impressive than a lot of guys think. It is an IF at the moment tho and the ball is in his court.
I don't disagree, I just think it's a risk/reward thing. A lot of fighters would be wary of fighting in Mundine's backyard in a fight that would already be relatively low-profile (internationally) and high-risk.
2.5 million is pretty good reward;D in my books anyway.
I'd fight him for half that :D. Too bad no one wants to see me get my ass kicked for 30 seconds... :p
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He ran away like a bitch from Kessler, giving up his title in the process so he could move down to middleweight and setup this superfight with Shannon Taylor. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/images/faces/ugh.gif
Frankly I'm quite sick of hearing about him.
The guy has no heart
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jangeorg
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Salty
He ran like a bitch from
Kessler, giving up his title in the process so he could move down to middleweight and setup this superfight with Shannon Taylor. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/images/faces/ugh.gif
Frankly I'm quite sick of hearing about him.
The guy has no heart
If Mundine has no heart does that mean your boy Kessler aint that good because he couldn't knock him out?
Anyway Mundine if he is just moving down to 160 shouldnt he get a fight that gets him used to the weight down there?
If Kessler moved down and fought some nobody at 160 you'd be all behind it so that Kessler could get used to the weight and see how his body could take it wouldnt you
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Majesty
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jangeorg
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Originally Posted by
Salty
He ran like a bitch from
Kessler, giving up his title in the process so he could move down to middleweight and setup this superfight with Shannon Taylor. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/images/faces/ugh.gif
Frankly I'm quite sick of hearing about him.
The guy has no heart
If Mundine has no heart does that mean your boy Kessler aint that good because he couldn't knock him out?
Anyway Mundine if he is just moving down to 160 shouldnt he get a fight that gets him used to the weight down there?
If Kessler moved down and fought some nobody at 160 you'd be all behind it so that Kessler could get used to the weight and see how his body could take it wouldnt you
I don`t think Kessler can move down to 160,he is too big
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jangeorg
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Majesty
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Originally Posted by
jangeorg
He ran like a bitch from
Kessler, giving up his title in the process so he could move down to middleweight and setup this superfight with Shannon Taylor. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/images/faces/ugh.gif
Frankly I'm quite sick of hearing about him.
The guy has no heart
If Mundine has no heart does that mean your boy Kessler aint that good because he couldn't knock him out?
Anyway Mundine if he is just moving down to 160 shouldnt he get a fight that gets him used to the weight down there?
If Kessler moved down and fought some nobody at 160 you'd be all behind it so that Kessler could get used to the weight and see how his body could take it wouldnt you
I don`t think Kessler can move down to 160,he is too big
I was using it as an example ;)
