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Calzaghe - Pavlik on 18th Oct
WBC/WBO middleweight champion Kelly Pavlik's promoter Bob Arum says he is in talks with promoter Frank Warren in regard to a possible showdown between Pavlik and unbeaten WBC/WBA/WBO super middleweight champion Joe Calzaghe. The target date for Pavlik-Calzaghe would be October 18. If that bout can't be made, Arum said Pavlik would fight two more times this year, in September and again in December. Adding fuel to the fire was Pavlik's destruction of Calzaghe's stablemate Gary Lockett, who is trained by Joe's father Enzo Calzaghe WWW.FIGHTNEWS.COM
This would be a perfect fight to go out on for Joe Calzaghe against the very hard punching Pavlik,there would be no better way for him to end his career than beat the younger more powerful fighter.Hope this fight comes off sooner raver than later cause Joe's clock is getting on now. Iam picking JC by ud.
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Re: Calzaghe - Pavlik on 18th Oct
I hope it doesnt happen and Pavlik stays at MW.
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im from uk and i want pavlik to ko him, IMO calzaghe dont deserve to retire undefeated he simply hasnt done enough to go down as a all time great, only decent win was kessler, lacy was crap, hopkins was past it and he only just got that decision anyway.
dont really care who wins tbh, calazghe has done to little to late.
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Re: Calzaghe - Pavlik on 18th Oct
I hope it does happen at SMW. This will allow Pavlik to hold belts in three weight simutanously. The first time since Herny Armstrong did it at the lighter weights. I hope Pavlik knocks him out.;)
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Re: Calzaghe - Pavlik on 18th Oct
three weights ? 160, 168 whats the third ?
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Re: Calzaghe - Pavlik on 18th Oct
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Repo
im from uk and i want pavlik to ko him, IMO calzaghe dont deserve to retire undefeated he simply hasnt done enough to go down as a all time great, only decent win was kessler, lacy was crap, hopkins was past it and he only just got that decision anyway.
dont really care who wins tbh, calazghe has done to little to late.
Was Lacy 'crap' before Calzaghe beat him?? I'm sure you were saying he was right?? like all the hindsight clowns on here that thought Lacy would smoke his boots
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Repo
im from uk and i want pavlik to ko him, IMO calzaghe dont deserve to retire undefeated he simply hasnt done enough to go down as a all time great, only decent win was kessler, lacy was crap, hopkins was past it and he only just got that decision anyway.
dont really care who wins tbh, calazghe has done to little to late.
Was Lacy 'crap' before Calzaghe beat him?? I'm sure you were saying he was right?? like all the hindsight clowns on here that thought Lacy would smoke his boots
but he was crap, he was overrated, just like he was crap vs manfredo.
hope calzghe gets knocked the fk out.
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Re: Calzaghe - Pavlik on 18th Oct
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hitmanhatton
three weights ? 160, 168 whats the third ?
175. The fight is at super middle he would grab both if calzaghe comes in at 169 he would only win the 175.
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Re: Calzaghe - Pavlik on 18th Oct
surely not ?? you can win titles in two different weight divisons in one fight ???
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Re: Calzaghe - Pavlik on 18th Oct
Only if your Sugar Ray Leonard
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hitmanhatton
surely not ?? you can win titles in two different weight divisons in one fight ???
definitely, if you are under the prescribed weight. And were not talking alphabet trinkets, which I am sure have a rule against it, were talking about the real world championships/The Ring.
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Re: Calzaghe - Pavlik on 18th Oct
Finally i've been fantasizing about this fight for almost 2years.
I dunt even care who wins... i just wanna see those punch exchanges :o
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Re: Calzaghe - Pavlik on 18th Oct
Solid - If Joe has any sense he wont exchange. He will use his superior boxing skills and speed to frustrate Pav and win points
Theres a huge difference between Locket and Calzaghe as Pav will find out but if Joe leaves his chin out it wouldnt surprise me to see him on the deck in that fight
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Re: Calzaghe - Pavlik on 18th Oct
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surely not ?? you can win titles in two different weight divisons in one fight ???
definitely, if you are under the prescribed weight. And were not talking alphabet trinkets, which I am sure have a rule against it, were talking about the real world championships/The Ring.
but how can you be seen as the best fighter in the lightheavyweight division for example if youve never foguht past 168 ?
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This will not happen. I hope it does though. My selfish, saddistic side wants to see it.
From what I've seen of Joe he is fighting an older man's boxing match, using his head and his heart to carry him to victory. Put him in with Pavlik at a weight somewhere in the middle for them, and I believe he would get brutalized. I can't see Enzo letting that happen.
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I hope it doesnt happen and Pavlik stays at MW.
whatthe?! i've been wanting to see this fight.
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Repo
im from uk and i want pavlik to ko him, IMO calzaghe dont deserve to retire undefeated he simply hasnt done enough to go down as a all time great, only decent win was kessler, lacy was crap, hopkins was past it and he only just got that decision anyway.
dont really care who wins tbh, calazghe has done to little to late.
So you don't think that if Calzaghe beat Pavlik he would have done enough? :confused:
Seriously if he beat Pavlik then without question he's beaten the two best middleweights and the two best super middleweights he could possibly have faced, ok they came late in his career but Hagler didn't get the big fights until well past 30 so by your logic he's crap too? :rolleyes:
In fact do yourself a favour and go look at Hagler's record and tell me all the hall of famers he beat up on before he face Duran, a career lightweight at around 30 years of age?
I'm not knocking Hagler, he was an all time great for sure but if Calzaghe beat Pavlik his record isn't all that far off.
Unlike Hagler he would have remained undefeated. All of his biggest wins would have been against opponents in their legitimate weight classes, and in the case of Lacy, Kessler and Pavlik fighters in their absolute primes.
Hopkins is a tricky fighter at any age and to beat him at 45 was still a better achievement than losing a close fight to a post retired Sugar Ray Leonard who had never fought above light middleweight at that time and had not fought at all for 3 years.
If he beat Pavlik that would certainly be comparable to beating John Mugabe in my opinion both unbeaten, both huge KO punchers.
Personally I think beating a prime Mikkel Kessler who like Lacy was a legitimate super middlweight compares well to beating a former lightweight in Roberto Duran who was coming off losses to Kirkland Laing and Wilfred Benitez and like Leonard had never even fought at middleweight before.
So we are left with Thomas Hearns another great fighter who Hagler beat in a brutal slugfest, a fight which is largely responsible for his subsequent status as the greatest middleweight of recent times. Hearns, just like Leonard and Duran had never even fought at middleweight before challenging Hagler.
So you see careful analysis shows Calzaghes unbeaten record stands up well compared to even the best of the best, and a win over Kelly Pavlik would justifiably see him in my opinion as not only the new p4p number 1 in the sport in light of Floyd's retirement, but also he would have to be considered as p4p one of the top 20 or 30 of all time imo.
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Not sure if I want this fight to happen, I like both fighters and wouldn't want to see either one lose, that been said I think JC would probably win by UD.
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Re: Calzaghe - Pavlik on 18th Oct
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Youngblood
This will not happen. I hope it does though. My selfish, saddistic side wants to see it.
From what I've seen of Joe he is fighting an older man's boxing match, using his head and his heart to carry him to victory. Put him in with Pavlik at a weight somewhere in the middle for them, and I believe he would get brutalized. I can't see Enzo letting that happen.
I want this fight to happen . I want to see Joe embarrassed i n his home country. He is cocky. Has no respect and he is cushioned.
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Youngblood
This will not happen. I hope it does though. My selfish, saddistic side wants to see it.
From what I've seen of Joe he is fighting an older man's boxing match, using his head and his heart to carry him to victory. Put him in with Pavlik at a weight somewhere in the middle for them, and I believe he would get brutalized. I can't see Enzo letting that happen.
I want this fight to happen . I want to see Joe embarrassed i n his home country. He is cocky. Has no respect and he is cushioned.
Don't think Joe is cocky, he's confident and should be because he's beaten everyone he's faced, what makes u say he's no respect?
after the Kessler fight he had nothing but respect for Kessler, can't see Pavlik embarrasing him either, he could win by ko yeah,but can't see him out working Joe. To be honest your sounding just like the Lacy fans were sounding before he fought Joe
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southakron314
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Youngblood
This will not happen. I hope it does though. My selfish, saddistic side wants to see it.
From what I've seen of Joe he is fighting an older man's boxing match, using his head and his heart to carry him to victory. Put him in with Pavlik at a weight somewhere in the middle for them, and I believe he would get brutalized. I can't see Enzo letting that happen.
I want this fight to happen . I want to see Joe embarrassed i n his home country. He is cocky. Has no respect and he is cushioned.
I like Pavlik but you fans are getting as bad as Hatton's boys.
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Although as my sig suggests, I'm a big Calzaghe fan, I'm torn as to whether I'd want this fight to happen. There have been a few times where I've been worried Joe has bitten off more than he can chew, and each time he's proved me wrong, but I've got that same twisting feeling in my gut on this one.
Lockett was easy to hit, and didn't have as firm a chin as Calzaghe, but PAvlik did the job big time on him, and as always looks to have a firm punch. Don't get me wrong, I'd love the fight to be made, and it would be an amazing spectacle, if it's held in the UK or the US, and either way there's going to be huge contingents of travelling fans for both men.
If it happens, I'm not going to have any nails for th next few years, as i gnaw them into little stubs on my fingers.
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I have all respect to Joe. His conditioning is awesomme so does Kelly, His chin is awesomme so does Kelly, His workrate is awesomme so does Kelly, His skills is awesomme so does Kelly.
No Offense to Joe but his handspeed is going to be neutralized by Kelly's straighter and more powerful punches. Kelly's defense looks to be getting better too;)
Oh shit I sound a lil biased;D
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Youngblood
This will not happen. I hope it does though. My selfish, saddistic side wants to see it.
From what I've seen of Joe he is fighting an older man's boxing match, using his head and his heart to carry him to victory. Put him in with Pavlik at a weight somewhere in the middle for them, and I believe he would get brutalized. I can't see Enzo letting that happen.
Agreed! :yes:
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Re: Calzaghe - Pavlik on 18th Oct
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Repo
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Repo
im from uk and i want pavlik to ko him, IMO calzaghe dont deserve to retire undefeated he simply hasnt done enough to go down as a all time great, only decent win was kessler, lacy was crap, hopkins was past it and he only just got that decision anyway.
dont really care who wins tbh, calazghe has done to little to late.
Was Lacy 'crap' before Calzaghe beat him?? I'm sure you were saying he was right?? like all the hindsight clowns on here that thought Lacy would smoke his boots
but he was crap, he was overrated, just like he was crap vs manfredo.
hope calzghe gets knocked the fk out.
I said was he 'crap before Calzaghe? Manfredo was after Calzaghe had battered the guy for 36 minutes!! Lacy was not crap as an awesome amateur (record = 209 -12) was not crap destroying all that went before Calzaghe and being called the Middleweight Mike Tyson (even if he was @ 168;)). He was good enough to be plastered all over Superbowl as the next superstar of world boxing - hindsight is a wonderful thing. Do you really think Lacy was 'crap' before he fought Calzaghe??
Every fukka bar about 10 of us on here called Lacy to destroy Cazlaghe, but yet everybody now says he was sh1te - funny that!
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..For the record he is 'crap' now ;D
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southakron314
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Youngblood
This will not happen. I hope it does though. My selfish, saddistic side wants to see it.
From what I've seen of Joe he is fighting an older man's boxing match, using his head and his heart to carry him to victory. Put him in with Pavlik at a weight somewhere in the middle for them, and I believe he would get brutalized. I can't see Enzo letting that happen.
I want this fight to happen . I want to see Joe embarrassed i n his home country. He is cocky. Has no respect and he is cushioned.
I like Pavlik but you fans are getting as bad as Hatton's boys.
I agree, I also love the fact that Calzaghe's record is "padded", but Pavlik is "Godzilla". Seriously, who the fuck has Pavlik fought who is better than Kessler or Hopkins? Aside from Taylor and a weight-drained Miranda, he's fought nobody of any real significance and his record is as padded as anyones.
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I have all respect to Joe. His conditioning is awesomme so does Kelly, His chin is awesomme so does Kelly, His workrate is awesomme so does Kelly, His skills is awesomme so does Kelly.
No Offense to Joe but his handspeed is going to be neutralized by Kelly's straighter and more powerful punches. Kelly's defense looks to be getting better too;)
Oh shit I sound a lil biased;D
Calzaghe is alot more skilled than Pavlik!
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This would not be an easy fight for Joe. I'd still pick him to win but it's a hell of a challenge at the end of his career. He has nothing to prove so should take an easier fight to guarantee retiring undefeated.
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CFH
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boozeboxer
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southakron314
I want this fight to happen . I want to see Joe embarrassed i n his home country. He is cocky. Has no respect and he is cushioned.
I like Pavlik but you fans are getting as bad as Hatton's boys.
I agree, I also love the fact that Calzaghe's record is "padded", but Pavlik is "Godzilla". Seriously, who the fuck has Pavlik fought who is better than Kessler or Hopkins? Aside from Taylor and a weight-drained Miranda, he's fought nobody of any real significance and his record is as padded as anyones.
Taylor beat Hopkins twice though close and controversial on the other hand Kelly's performance against taylor was light years better than that of Hopkins vs Taylor. Miranda weight drained, he was dropped from a CONCUSSIVE shot not from sheer exhaustion.
Joe beating an older version of Hopkins via close decision, beating a Lacy who'm afterwards was winning via decisions against B level fighters. Kessler who hasnt fought any great American middleweight or super middleweight.
To Joe's credit he is undefeated for so long but for such a short time in Pavlik's career his accomplishments is almost as great as that of Joe.
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CFH
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boozeboxer
I like Pavlik but you fans are getting as bad as Hatton's boys.
I agree, I also love the fact that Calzaghe's record is "padded", but Pavlik is "Godzilla". Seriously, who the fuck has Pavlik fought who is better than Kessler or Hopkins? Aside from Taylor and a weight-drained Miranda, he's fought nobody of any real significance and his record is as padded as anyones.
Taylor beat Hopkins twice though close and controversial on the other hand Kelly's performance against taylor was light years better than that of Hopkins vs Taylor. Miranda weight drained, he was dropped from a CONCUSSIVE shot not from sheer exhaustion.
Joe beating an older version of Hopkins via close decision, beating a Lacy
who'm afterwards was winning via decisions against B level fighters. Kessler who hasnt fought any great American middleweight or super middleweight.
To Joe's credit he is undefeated for so long but for such a short time in Pavlik's career his accomplishments is almost as great as that of Joe.
:rolleyes:
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The padded record argument makes me laugh.
Who did Hopkins beat during his Middleweight reign (and don't tell me about men that were half his size ;)) ??
Which prime greats did RJJ ever beat??
Which prime greats did Larry Holmes ever beat??
Which prime greats did Rocky Marciano ever beat??
Which prime greats did Lennox Lewis Holmes ever beat??
Were their records padded?????
....and on and on and on......................
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BIG H
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Pavlik
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CFH
I agree, I also love the fact that Calzaghe's record is "padded", but Pavlik is "Godzilla". Seriously, who the fuck has Pavlik fought who is better than Kessler or Hopkins? Aside from Taylor and a weight-drained Miranda, he's fought nobody of any real significance and his record is as padded as anyones.
Taylor beat Hopkins twice though close and controversial on the other hand Kelly's performance against taylor was light years better than that of Hopkins vs Taylor. Miranda weight drained, he was dropped from a CONCUSSIVE shot not from sheer exhaustion.
Joe beating an older version of Hopkins via close decision, beating a Lacy
who'm afterwards was winning via decisions against B level fighters. Kessler who hasnt fought any great American middleweight or super middleweight.
To Joe's credit he is undefeated for so long but for such a short time in Pavlik's career his accomplishments is almost as great as that of Joe.
:rolleyes:
what I meant was Lacy after getting beat by Joe was winning aginst B level fighters. Proving the point that Lacy is exactly not "ALL THAT". If Lacy was that good he should've redeemed himslef with back to back great wins but he didnt.
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Pavlik
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BIG H
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Pavlik
Taylor beat Hopkins twice though close and controversial on the other hand Kelly's performance against taylor was light years better than that of Hopkins vs Taylor. Miranda weight drained, he was dropped from a CONCUSSIVE shot not from sheer exhaustion.
Joe beating an older version of Hopkins via close decision, beating a Lacy who'm afterwards was winning via decisions against B level fighters. Kessler who hasnt fought any great American middleweight or super middleweight.
To Joe's credit he is undefeated for so long but for such a short time in Pavlik's career his accomplishments is almost as great as that of Joe.
:rolleyes:
what I meant was Lacy after getting beat by Joe was winning aginst B level fighters. Proving the point that Lacy is exactly not "ALL THAT". If Lacy was that good he should've redeemed himslef with back to back great wins but he didnt.
I suppose Ali, should've redeemed himself after lsoing to Holmes ;)
There is NO WAY back from a beating like Lacy took
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Pavlik
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CFH
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boozeboxer
I like Pavlik but you fans are getting as bad as Hatton's boys.
I agree, I also love the fact that Calzaghe's record is "padded", but Pavlik is "Godzilla". Seriously, who the fuck has Pavlik fought who is better than Kessler or Hopkins? Aside from Taylor and a weight-drained Miranda, he's fought nobody of any real significance and his record is as padded as anyones.
Taylor beat Hopkins twice though close and controversial on the other hand Kelly's performance against taylor was light years better than that of Hopkins vs Taylor. Miranda weight drained, he was dropped from a CONCUSSIVE shot not from sheer exhaustion.
Joe beating an older version of Hopkins via close decision, beating a Lacy who'm afterwards was winning via decisions against B level fighters. Kessler who hasnt fought any great American middleweight or super middleweight.
To Joe's credit he is undefeated for so long but for such a short time in Pavlik's career his accomplishments is almost as great as that of Joe.
In regards to the differences in the Hopkins-Taylor and Taylor-Pavlik fights, styles make fights. It doesn't matter how Pavlik beat Taylor, if we want to go down that road, Pavlik was almost stopped by Taylor, Hopkins was never in any danger of being dropped, let alone stopped, against Taylor.
Calzaghe fought the best American SMW at the time in Lacy, a guy the majority of people were picking to win, and embarrassed him with one of the most one-sided beat downs I have ever seen. He then goes on to beat Kessler, who was clearly the #2 man in the division. And what does being American have to do with anything? A good fighter is a good fighter, regardless of nationality. Who's the best current U.S. SMW, Green? Taylor? Lacy? Mundine was better than any US SMW at the time Kessler beat him. How would Kessler beating an American SMW increase his status any? Because they're American? Fuck off with that nationalistic bullshit.
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CFH
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CFH
I agree, I also love the fact that Calzaghe's record is "padded", but Pavlik is "Godzilla". Seriously, who the fuck has Pavlik fought who is better than Kessler or Hopkins? Aside from Taylor and a weight-drained Miranda, he's fought nobody of any real significance and his record is as padded as anyones.
Taylor beat Hopkins twice though close and controversial on the other hand Kelly's performance against taylor was light years better than that of Hopkins vs Taylor. Miranda weight drained, he was dropped from a CONCUSSIVE shot not from sheer exhaustion.
Joe beating an older version of Hopkins via close decision, beating a Lacy who'm afterwards was winning via decisions against B level fighters. Kessler who hasnt fought any great American middleweight or super middleweight.
To Joe's credit he is undefeated for so long but for such a short time in Pavlik's career his accomplishments is almost as great as that of Joe.
In regards to the differences in the Hopkins-Taylor and Taylor-Pavlik fights, styles make fights. It doesn't matter how Pavlik beat Taylor, if we want to go down that road, Pavlik was almost stopped by Taylor, Hopkins was never in any danger of being dropped, let alone stopped, against Taylor.
Calzaghe fought the best American SMW at the time in Lacy, a guy the majority of people were picking to win, and embarrassed him with one of the most one-sided beat downs I have ever seen. He then goes on to beat Kessler, who was clearly the #2 man in the division. And what does being American have to do with anything? A good fighter is a good fighter, regardless of nationality. Who's the best current U.S. SMW, Green? Taylor? Lacy? Mundine was better than any US SMW at the time Kessler beat him. How would Kessler beating an American SMW increase his status any? Because they're American? Fuck off with that nationalistic bullshit.
great post man, owe u more rep when I can!!
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hitmanhatton
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lance Uppercut
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surely not ?? you can win titles in two different weight divisons in one fight ???
definitely, if you are under the prescribed weight. And were not talking alphabet trinkets, which I am sure have a rule against it, were talking about the real world championships/The Ring.
but how can you be seen as the best fighter in the lightheavyweight division for example if youve never foguht past 168 ?
The best fighter isn't always the champion.
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CFH
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Pavlik
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CFH
I agree, I also love the fact that Calzaghe's record is "padded", but Pavlik is "Godzilla". Seriously, who the fuck has Pavlik fought who is better than Kessler or Hopkins? Aside from Taylor and a weight-drained Miranda, he's fought nobody of any real significance and his record is as padded as anyones.
Taylor beat Hopkins twice though close and controversial on the other hand Kelly's performance against taylor was light years better than that of Hopkins vs Taylor. Miranda weight drained, he was dropped from a CONCUSSIVE shot not from sheer exhaustion.
Joe beating an older version of Hopkins via close decision, beating a Lacy who'm afterwards was winning via decisions against B level fighters. Kessler who hasnt fought any great American middleweight or super middleweight.
To Joe's credit he is undefeated for so long but for such a short time in Pavlik's career his accomplishments is almost as great as that of Joe.
In regards to the differences in the Hopkins-Taylor and Taylor-Pavlik fights, styles make fights. It doesn't matter how Pavlik beat Taylor, if we want to go down that road, Pavlik was almost stopped by Taylor, Hopkins was never in any danger of being dropped, let alone stopped, against Taylor.
Calzaghe fought the best American SMW at the time in Lacy, a guy the majority of people were picking to win, and embarrassed him with one of the most one-sided beat downs I have ever seen. He then goes on to beat Kessler, who was clearly the #2 man in the division. And what does being American have to do with anything? A good fighter is a good fighter, regardless of nationality. Who's the best current U.S. SMW, Green? Taylor? Lacy? Mundine was better than any US SMW at the time Kessler beat him. How would Kessler beating an American SMW increase his status any? Because they're American? Fuck off with that nationalistic bullshit.
Nice :cool:
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CFH
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Pavlik
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CFH
I agree, I also love the fact that Calzaghe's record is "padded", but Pavlik is "Godzilla". Seriously, who the fuck has Pavlik fought who is better than Kessler or Hopkins? Aside from Taylor and a weight-drained Miranda, he's fought nobody of any real significance and his record is as padded as anyones.
Taylor beat Hopkins twice though close and controversial on the other hand Kelly's performance against taylor was light years better than that of Hopkins vs Taylor. Miranda weight drained, he was dropped from a CONCUSSIVE shot not from sheer exhaustion.
Joe beating an older version of Hopkins via close decision, beating a Lacy who'm afterwards was winning via decisions against B level fighters. Kessler who hasnt fought any great American middleweight or super middleweight.
To Joe's credit he is undefeated for so long but for such a short time in Pavlik's career his accomplishments is almost as great as that of Joe.
In regards to the differences in the Hopkins-Taylor and Taylor-Pavlik fights, styles make fights. It doesn't matter how Pavlik beat Taylor, if we want to go down that road, Pavlik was almost stopped by Taylor, Hopkins was never in any danger of being dropped, let alone stopped, against Taylor.
Calzaghe fought the best American SMW at the time in Lacy, a guy the majority of people were picking to win, and embarrassed him with one of the most one-sided beat downs I have ever seen. He then goes on to beat Kessler, who was clearly the #2 man in the division. And what does being American have to do with anything? A good fighter is a good fighter, regardless of nationality. Who's the best current U.S. SMW, Green? Taylor? Lacy? Mundine was better than any US SMW at the time Kessler beat him. How would Kessler beating an American SMW increase his status any? Because they're American? Fuck off with that nationalistic bullshit.
How would Kessler beating an American SMW increase his status any? Because they're American? Fuck off with that nationalistic bullshit.
I apologize on this one, I didnt mean it that way. IMO The best middleweights and SMW at the time is toggling between Jermain Taylor, Ronald Winky Wright and Bernard Hopkins well at least Middleweight. Then again I apologize.
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Re: Calzaghe - Pavlik on 18th Oct
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Pavlik
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CFH
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Taylor beat Hopkins twice though close and controversial on the other hand Kelly's performance against taylor was light years better than that of Hopkins vs Taylor. Miranda weight drained, he was dropped from a CONCUSSIVE shot not from sheer exhaustion.
Joe beating an older version of Hopkins via close decision, beating a Lacy who'm afterwards was winning via decisions against B level fighters. Kessler who hasnt fought any great American middleweight or super middleweight.
To Joe's credit he is undefeated for so long but for such a short time in Pavlik's career his accomplishments is almost as great as that of Joe.
In regards to the differences in the Hopkins-Taylor and Taylor-Pavlik fights, styles make fights. It doesn't matter how Pavlik beat Taylor, if we want to go down that road, Pavlik was almost stopped by Taylor, Hopkins was never in any danger of being dropped, let alone stopped, against Taylor.
Calzaghe fought the best American SMW at the time in Lacy, a guy the majority of people were picking to win, and embarrassed him with one of the most one-sided beat downs I have ever seen. He then goes on to beat Kessler, who was clearly the #2 man in the division. And what does being American have to do with anything? A good fighter is a good fighter, regardless of nationality. Who's the best current U.S. SMW, Green? Taylor? Lacy? Mundine was better than any US SMW at the time Kessler beat him. How would Kessler beating an American SMW increase his status any? Because they're American? Fuck off with that nationalistic bullshit.
How would Kessler beating an American SMW increase his status any? Because they're American? Fuck off with that nationalistic bullshit.
I apologize on this one, I didnt mean it that way. IMO The best middleweights and SMW at the time is toggling between Jermain Taylor and Bernard Hopkins well at least Middleweight. Then again I apologize.
Fair enough, you're entitled to your opinion.
