Coaching Certification as a Fighter

My club offered to get me certified, level 1. They're paying for it. I think the reasoning behind it is to be able to work the corner when we travel. We aren't a big club, so we might have to switch things up as we go. Meaning say after I fight, work corner as other prepares and so on.

Any negatives to this from a fighters point of view?

I can't think of any. I mean, anything I can learn to me is a bonus, still have lots and lots to learn. Not even really sure what we do learn during it. I think it is a 1 or 2 day deal.

Anyone's thoughts on it? What to expect? A good idea for a fighter or not?

I'll research it more of course, regarding the levels and so on and what it entails. Is not until Aug. or Sept I think, as we have to travel about 12 hrs to get to a clinic for it. Yea, we are that freakin remote here.

Go for it, you will learn a lot for the future.

Thanks, yea that's what I figured Scrap.

Only drawback I could think of might be ending up having to spend more time training others when wanting to focus on self. Thing is though, I already help out brand new people with the very basics and we all kinda help each other, so that will likely just remain the same. Just prob. will be able to work the corners now, plus be learning in the process going through the levels of Cert.

The training course is a fine idea.

I did it and it improved me.

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

The training course is a fine idea.

I did it and it improved me.

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whatd they teach you exactly?

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The training course is a fine idea.

I did it and it improved me.

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whatd they teach you exactly?

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Correct Warmups and Stretching.

Advanced techniques.

First aid.

Conditioning ideas.

Club Organisation.

Correct use of all equipment and thats to start.

You can't hold a coaching card and a boxing card at the same time can you?

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You can't hold a coaching card and a boxing card at the same time can you?

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I have both.

In the pros Ricky Hatton has both.

I did

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You can't hold a coaching card and a boxing card at the same time can you?

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I can think of atleast 5 amateur fighters locally offhand that have both.

This is amateur boxing Canada, so not sure if the rules extend the same to everywhere for amateur boxing. Interesting question though. You would hope they'd be close, seeing as ultimately all paths competitively lead to 2 similar paths, Olympics and/or pro.

All I know is that I can't hold a fighting card and work in our clubs corner, not even hand up.

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All I know is that I can't hold a fighting card and work in our clubs corner, not even hand up.

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Is that because of regulation or club policy though?

Theres a couple I know of Adam who do.

Most commisions in the states will let you do both

I'm a certified level one official, certified coach as well as a boxer. I recommend it to any boxer. The more time in the ring the better. The judging and reffing has really helped me figure out what works and what doesn't. Reffing is the best seat in the house to pick up other guys' tricks and stuff.

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I'm a certified level one official, certified coach as well as a boxer. I recommend it to any boxer. The more time in the ring the better. The judging and reffing has really helped me figure out what works and what doesn't. Reffing is the best seat in the house to pick up other guys' tricks and stuff.

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so how would you even go about taking these classes? Or is it something your trainer will guide you through if you just ask?

I don't know where you are located but in the states you have to take a clinic from a certified level 2 official. If you contact your LBC president they would know who the person is that can give the clinics. Then you have to pass the test, which is pretty easy, especially if you already know the rules.
Most times the clinics are given the day of an event since everyone is gathered in the same town on that day. There is a fee for a background check as well and then you are issued a passbook similar to the one you have for competing.

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Originally Posted by sourpuss

I don't know where you are located but in the states you have to take a clinic from a certified level 2 official. If you contact your LBC president they would know who the person is that can give the clinics. Then you have to pass the test, which is pretty easy, especially if you already know the rules.
Most times the clinics are given the day of an event since everyone is gathered in the same town on that day. There is a fee for a background check as well and then you are issued a passbook similar to the one you have for competing.

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I see.. So this would be actual certification to be a coach at any boxing gym and allow you to be cornerman at comps? Interesting..I wouldnt mind coaching boxing.

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Originally Posted by sourpuss

I don't know where you are located but in the states you have to take a clinic from a certified level 2 official. If you contact your LBC president they would know who the person is that can give the clinics. Then you have to pass the test, which is pretty easy, especially if you already know the rules.
Most times the clinics are given the day of an event since everyone is gathered in the same town on that day. There is a fee for a background check as well and then you are issued a passbook similar to the one you have for competing.

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There's no background check here....
You should see some of the "reformed" characters that coach here.

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Originally Posted by sourpuss

I don't know where you are located but in the states you have to take a clinic from a certified level 2 official. If you contact your LBC president they would know who the person is that can give the clinics. Then you have to pass the test, which is pretty easy, especially if you already know the rules.
Most times the clinics are given the day of an event since everyone is gathered in the same town on that day. There is a fee for a background check as well and then you are issued a passbook similar to the one you have for competing.

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I dont know where in the states your located,but most states will do a lick and stick

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I don't know where you are located but in the states you have to take a clinic from a certified level 2 official. If you contact your LBC president they would know who the person is that can give the clinics. Then you have to pass the test, which is pretty easy, especially if you already know the rules.
Most times the clinics are given the day of an event since everyone is gathered in the same town on that day. There is a fee for a background check as well and then you are issued a passbook similar to the one you have for competing.

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I dont know where in the states your located,but most states will do a lick and stick

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I had to remind myself 3 times this was the training section, TM. Plus I had to backspace my reply 3 times. lol

Funnily its harder to qualifiy as an Amatuer than a Pro Trainer a lot harder. ;D

i suspect thats because in amateur, its a direct feeder to the olypica where pro is a feeder to the mob...

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Funnily its harder to qualifiy as an Amatuer than a Pro Trainer a lot harder. ;D

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:D

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Originally Posted by sourpuss

I don't know where you are located but in the states you have to take a clinic from a certified level 2 official. If you contact your LBC president they would know who the person is that can give the clinics. Then you have to pass the test, which is pretty easy, especially if you already know the rules.
Most times the clinics are given the day of an event since everyone is gathered in the same town on that day. There is a fee for a background check as well and then you are issued a passbook similar to the one you have for competing.

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I dont know where in the states your located,but most states will do a lick and stick

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I live in Montana, they are pretty strict here with officiating.

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I don't know where you are located but in the states you have to take a clinic from a certified level 2 official. If you contact your LBC president they would know who the person is that can give the clinics. Then you have to pass the test, which is pretty easy, especially if you already know the rules.
Most times the clinics are given the day of an event since everyone is gathered in the same town on that day. There is a fee for a background check as well and then you are issued a passbook similar to the one you have for competing.

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I dont know where in the states your located,but most states will do a lick and stick

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I live in Montana, they are pretty strict here with officiating.

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I keep thinking you are in Colorado. They are close though, right? Lots of mountains and wide open spaces and such?

I have a question for you or anyone else who may know. After level one, what is required to gain level 2 and so on, and what is learned with it, or its benefits. I think I read too that for the level 1 you need to be active and do some things to keep it, plus to move on. Any ideas what that might be?

Becoming a trainer could be cool down the line if you ever want to own your own gym. So its a good idea to start learning now.

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I dont know where in the states your located,but most states will do a lick and stick

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I live in Montana, they are pretty strict here with officiating.

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I keep thinking you are in Colorado. They are close though, right? Lots of mountains and wide open spaces and such?

I have a question for you or anyone else who may know. After level one, what is required to gain level 2 and so on, and what is learned with it, or its benefits. I think I read too that for the level 1 you need to be active and do some things to keep it, plus to move on. Any ideas what that might be?

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I don't know what the rules are in Canada but here, for a level two you have to have officiated at a regional tournament and have been a level one for two years.

...and yes MT and Colorado are similar. But still a good 12-15 hour drive.

If you're going to be a coach and a fighter it'd probably be better to train people in a different weight class (or a different kind of boxing) to avoid conflicts of interest and stuff.

For example, if the person you train gets aggressive and takes a lot of risks, even if you're not, people might suspect you're encouraging them to be that way to help damage your potential competitors (including the student).

A coach should be interested in creating a healthy boxing career for their pupils. However, since boxers have an interest in others dropping out and having shorter careers (as it means less experienced opponents to fight) one should not be coaching people who are fighting in the same class they are... IMO.

Are there people that do that? I don't really know.

I mean, it'd probably be okay if you were the welterweight champion and training people who haven't gone pro, or who are in the low leagues and nowhere near fighting you or anyone who'd be fighitng you, but as the expanse closes up, you would want to change it up probably.

Now that I think about it, this kind of situation happened in this anime I watched Hajime no Ippo and there didn't seem to be any objections to it... so maybe I was overreacting? Basically, the lightweight champion's student, who was also lightweight, was fighting Ippo (main char) who was lightweight. After Ippo fought him, he'd be going on to fight the champion...

But to me, it seems like a conflict, because the student might decide to incur some injuries in order to hurt Ippo. Even if no one is that immoral, it's just a situation people tend to avoid so as to simplify people's concerns.

It's sort of like what you see in 'Karate Kid'. The guy is instructed to take penalties by inflicting illegal moves, not just to win the match and destroy moral, but also because Danny Karuso was also competing in other events and it would negatively affect his ability to score more points than team Dragon in those categories.

Or... I actually might be mixing that up with 'Sidekicks'... but you get the idea. Chuck Norris...

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If you're going to be a coach and a fighter it'd probably be better to train people in a different weight class (or a different kind of boxing) to avoid conflicts of interest and stuff.

For example, if the person you train gets aggressive and takes a lot of risks, even if you're not, people might suspect you're encouraging them to be that way to help damage your potential competitors (including the student).

A coach should be interested in creating a healthy boxing career for their pupils. However, since boxers have an interest in others dropping out and having shorter careers (as it means less experienced opponents to fight) one should not be coaching people who are fighting in the same class they are... IMO.

Are there people that do that? I don't really know.

I mean, it'd probably be okay if you were the welterweight champion and training people who haven't gone pro, or who are in the low leagues and nowhere near fighting you or anyone who'd be fighitng you, but as the expanse closes up, you would want to change it up probably.

Now that I think about it, this kind of situation happened in this anime I watched Hajime no Ippo and there didn't seem to be any objections to it... so maybe I was overreacting? Basically, the lightweight champion's student, who was also lightweight, was fighting Ippo (main char) who was lightweight. After Ippo fought him, he'd be going on to fight the champion...

But to me, it seems like a conflict, because the student might decide to incur some injuries in order to hurt Ippo. Even if no one is that immoral, it's just a situation people tend to avoid so as to simplify people's concerns.

It's sort of like what you see in 'Karate Kid'. The guy is instructed to take penalties by inflicting illegal moves, not just to win the match and destroy moral, but also because Danny Karuso was also competing in other events and it would negatively affect his ability to score more points than team Dragon in those categories.

Or... I actually might be mixing that up with 'Sidekicks'... but you get the idea. Chuck Norris...

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No offence, but wth are we talking about here? cartoons? hollywood movies? :p

I just want to get my cert. so we can help each other when on the road and work the corners if need be. Plus learn more then I know now.

To follow up on this thread, still haven't gotten certified as planned.

Have run into a roadblock of sorts, as there are age restrictions here in Ontario and only fairly limited courses available. Level 1 coaching certifications are broken down into 3 groups, Theory, Technical, and Practical. As far I can tell, only the theory will be available to me until I turn 16. The others are restricted by age...which kind of sucks, but I suppose the reasoning in general may be good. I suspect most under 16 don't have the experience to fully comprehend all that is involved...not really sure.

Anyway, must wait until there is a clinic open for theory, as that will give me the ability to work a corner and make it easier for us to travel to shows and trade off responsibilties.

Here is a link to the categories here in Ontario:

How to become a coach

I've got both the fighters licence and level one coaching certificate also. I found the training was a bit so so in it's written components here but I got a HEAP out of the practical aspects. I got to hear about a lot of the little things which have been developed in different gyms and how they do things differently.

In some senses the gym i was in was a bit anti-social towards other gyms so having this avenue for investigating what we might learn from the other gyms was great! I'm pro anything that gets you mixing with other gyms in a safe, controlled way because that in my opinion is your best chance of getting good sparring etc which might not be available otherwise.

I have been offered coaching positions for kids groups etc which I did not get time to take on. I can't really see any conflicts since naturally fighters at my own level would always have their own main coaches.

I would never attempt to present myself as being anything more than a peer with team mates and I was always asking people to spot me, point out when i was sparring. I like to think I made team-mates feel I appreciated their input and often it was better than the coaches because they spent more time training with me!

I had to pay something like $150 for mine and I don't regret it so if you can get it for free go for it (as soon as you're allowed)!!

That's interesting Sharla, regarding the teaching others part. I only really want to get this to work a corner, but see the potential benefits of it...especially in learning anything I can.

I have gym class this semester and my coach asked me about us dedicating a week of class time to it, boxing, if I could bring the equipment. Basically some 16oz. gloves and a couple of headgears, focus pads etc.

He's a pretty awesome guy and works out with me whenever I am in the school gym early mornings (which is often), but I also wonder about liability? I suppose the liability will be his and the schools, and seeing as I have no licencing would assume I won't be accountable. It just surprised me that he wants this to happen...because I can see it already. People are gonna windmilling each other every chance they get! LOL

I do wonder if with certification, if some liability comes along with that. Anyone have any idea?