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I just finished re-watching Cotto's fight vs Mosley, and now i'm sure Cotto will not make it to the final bell. Mosley had Cotto reeling backwards from the 9th rd on from the pressure, and Mosley's a small welter that has been past his prime for a few yrs now. Cotto will not see the final bell. Magarito by tko 11.Cotto will cave in from the pressure.
Yeah right :rolleyes:
Mosley is faster,shorter and better fluid combo hitter than Tony........I think Margarito can come 'under' Cotto with 3 times the pressure,defiantly match one punch power..Both will bodyache after this one :-X Viva Margarito ;D
Mosley is a much better fighter than Tony. That being said...Shane clearly showed that his speed has declined considerably...but he still fought Cotto to a draw IMO. Shane wasn't particularly sharp with his punches in that fight either...and he still landed plenty on Cotto. Miguel is a great, young champion. But his defense is still porous and i'm still not sold on his chin. Will Tony be the fighter to exploit those weaknesses to a victory...i'm not so sure. But Cotto will have some shaky moments in this fight. I still pick Cotto to win because of his better overall skill...but i wouldn't be shocked if he got KOed either.
Miguel wasn't hurt at all, he slipped on a wet spot, a round later or maybe even in that round Mosley slips coming forward in that exact same spot. Just look at how Cotto is acting he clearly isn't hurt. Also he didn't have that many difficulties with Mosley until he got that cuti n his mouth or whatever. THe more I see the fight the more rounds I give to Cotto. I have him ahead by a few rounds in that fight, and up until his lip, Cotto was really giving it to Mosley IMO. He landed way better punches, he had way better timing, power, practical speed. Also I think Mosley has only really slowed down in the combination department when it comes to speed, and he has lost some snap to his punches, but all in all his speed has remained pretty close to peak levels if your going by literal stop watch time.
Though Mosley was pressuring Cotto, Cotto was not in danger of getting KO'd in those last rounds. And Cotto's counterpunching while moving backwards against a strong and fast vet like Mosley was perhaps Miguel's most brilliant boxing display of his career. Margarito will bring the pressure, but I see him getting tired before Cotto by the end of the fight. Margarito will be less effective than Mosley pressuring Cotto and Mosley was not very effective. Tony's wide punches are easy to stay away from-if you have the boxing skill. I believe Cotto does.
It is not happening, no matter how hard you try to convince yourself :)
I do think Tony can give Cotto a hard fight , but im not sure he can win.
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Originally Posted by Rican
Yeah Mosley was pressuring cuz Cotto allowed him to . He did the same things vs Ndou . When he is ahead Cotto doesnt mind going for walkaboutand I can see him doing exactly the same thing vs Tony . He will out box him early then just counter him in the late rounds and come away a deserving winner.
@ the ppl who say Margarito will stop Cotto - I watched Tonys fight with Paul yesterday and it isnt hard to outbox Margarito . Cotto will be outboxing Tont and we will all be waiting for Tony to suddenly up the pace but it will never happen . Cotto wont allow it to be fought at a pace he doesnt like and his extra class will tell .
Hey Rene , i dont know how many times did you see that fight buddy , but i think that you need more times for analizes that fight , i gave 7 - 5 to Cotto , is not because im a Cotto fan , but bro.......we have to be realistic , if you remember Mosley after round 5 , he knew that if he continued to fight at the same way that he began , he would been KO , he felt the Cottos power , then after round 9 Cotto took more slowly going backwards and that doesnt mean that he was tire , if you can see he always comes with new skills and that was ones that he were making backwards , boxing , speed and double jabs etc..., i admired Mosley because he assimilated somes real good shots of Cotto , i respect your opinion Rene , but i dont Speculate when i see a boxer that try to make see his improvements and that Count bro.........;)Quote:
Originally Posted by rene69
I know that Margaro has a granite chin , but we will see when Cotto let him know that he will going break it ...............
I don't agree with your post but I can definitely see your reasoning.Quote:
Originally Posted by rene69
That's what makes this fight so huge. The fact that so many different things ca happen because of Cotto's skill, heart and power and Tonys huge heart, ability to take good punches and although he's slow, he has a way of getting his punches in kind of like Pavlik.
Most intriguing fight in years.
There's a reason floyd ducked them both.
We'll just have to see fellas. Cotto was being pushed a by a little welter who wasn't what he once was. Now he going to fight a guy who fights hard for 12 full rds and never lets you breath. Cotto will not be able to run as he did with Shane in the last quarter of the fight because all he will be doing is giving Margarito the momentum. Cotto even said that he basically stopped fighting after the 9th in the post fight interview. He was winded and couldn't keep up with an old jr welter, what's going to do a with a full fledged in your face welter?
Anybody who thinks Cotto was any where near being hurt in those final rounds is blind. I seriously don't know what most people where watching that 9th round. Just because he was moving backwards doesn't mean he was in trouble. IMHO he clearly won the round by clean counterpunching and simply out-boxing Mosley.
By the way are you forgetting the three rounds before that when Mosley was moving back. I guess he must of been hurt right...:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
Cotto was nowhere near being in trouble against Mosely. People probably think this way because he switched to his boxer mode in the later rounds which is perfectly fine because his JABS were almost like powerpunches anyways.
Cotto will net get hit this often again because Tony is nowhere near as fast as Mosely.
Cotto by UD!!!
watch cotto-torres or cotto-quintana
Miguel loves fighters that come onto him and fight instead of box. Cotto will bide his time with margarito before picking his opponent off from 4-5 onwards and either stopping him or winning by a UD
Touche!Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
You and i are of the minority here.
Cotto has looked in trouble under pressure before but every fight lately he seems to have a new trick up his sleeve. He is very unpredictable I think for his opponents, which is why I think Floyd wants nothing to do with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by rene69
If he does get stopped I won't be surprised, Tony is one tough nut who can take a crack to give one, everytime.
I disagree with this i haven't seen the fight in quite sometime but i remember Cotto being buzzed in the 1st half of the 10th round. But Cotto did take his foot off the pedal because he was ahead in the fight which was a bad move IMO, because it almost cost him the fight. I think Cotto will win but he won't be able to take rounds off against Margarito like he did with Shane, he will be made to work hard for 3 minutes of every round, because Margarito gets stronger and stronger as the fight goes on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
Thats cool, Mosley & Tony are two different types big time.It was not so much the 9th round Cotto was effected,he and Mosley actually worked Jabs well but I did not see Cotto winning that round.The beginning of the 10th when Cotto went hard semi-through the ropes ,partly backing so fast and partly Mosleys over hand right.Tony is not as fast as Mosley by any means but can hit much,much harder and with more volume.Cotto did very well in switching gears later but its being made to sound like he simply decided too out of boredom as opposed to out of necessity...Mosley was catching him plain and simple,30 seconds into the 10th Mosley gets him on ropes and caught him clean ,Cotto got that stand up tall look and felt it.Cotto managed to retain that tight high guard but this is where I see Tony bringing them straight and from underneath on Cotto.Cotto has developed as a boxer well but Margarito can get him to the ropes,He will HAVE to stand and throw,Its his nature and instinct.Quote:
Originally Posted by rene69Touche!Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
You and i are of the minority here.
If Cotto thinks he can just fight in those disciplined moments then move around as he pleases & "win the easy way" without Margarito cutting him off & putting constant heat on him,He is Mistaken.Cottos should bring some power jabs and alot of body work,Margarito needs to cut him off,use mass volume & angels with uppercuts splitting the guard. Love this fight!! Viva Margarito ;D
LOL he wasn't reeling, he wasn't running, ffs he won two of the last four rounds, he was boxing on the back foot, and doing it very well.
I just hope Margarito peaks just at the right time, because we all know Cotto will show up, especially at this weight.
Mosley had a great performance against Cotto, IMO a young Mosley would have lost, but this veteran version of Mosley put up a great fight.
I think being a veteran counts more than speed in plenty of cases.
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Originally Posted by MachoHey Rene , i dont know how many times did you see that fight buddy , but i think that you need more times for analizes that fight , i gave 7 - 5 to Cotto , is not because im a Cotto fan , but bro.......we have to be realistic , if you remember Mosley after round 5 , he knew that if he continued to fight at the same way that he began , he would been KO , he felt the Cottos power , then after round 9 Cotto took more slowly going backwards and that doesnt mean that he was tire , if you can see he always comes with new skills and that was ones that he were making backwards , boxing , speed and double jabs etc..., i admired Mosley because he assimilated somes real good shots of Cotto , i respect your opinion Rene , but i dont Speculate when i see a boxer that try to make see his improvements and that Count bro.........;)Quote:
Originally Posted by rene69
I know that Margaro has a granite chin , but we will see when Cotto let him know that he will going break it ...............
You say to be realistic and then say that Cotto would have KO'd mosley?
I don't think Tony will have the strenght by round 12. If he is to win by KO it will need to be early I would think. Tony always seems stronger earlier in the fight. That might seem obvious but some fighters are better at waiting till the later rounds to open up, I just don't see Tony as one.
Can't wait for this fight. I think Tony will wobble Cotto a few times but Cotto will be too quick and too clever for him and will win a ud.
I'll know all i need to know after the second round...
We cannot compare Mosley who is a lot faster than Margarito and a good body puncher at 147. The part of the analysis that we may be missing is that Cotto could counter punch effectively against Mosley and this may indicate that Cotto can counter punch effectively a slower opponent like Margarito. I know in boxing we cannot make a direct relationship because of the difference in styles, but for me this is a high probability in this case. Cotto started to get hit more frequently in various fights and got hurt when he forgot his boxing and tried to press the fights all the time. I believe he tried to replicate a little Tito's style and they are different types of punchers. Now I see Cotto fighting more with his true style (watch his early fights to learn a little bit more about Cotto), pressing when he has to press and counter-punching when needed. I believe this would be a big headache for Margarito. I believe Cotto wins by UD.Quote:
Originally Posted by rene69
A young Mosley, especially the one that fought Oscar in their first fight, would have dismantled Cotto. I have watched the Mosley/Cotto fight several times and i see it a draw each time. The Mosley in that fight was considerably slower and not particularly crisp with his punches. Yet he was till able to land on Cotto with regularity. A prime Mosley was fast as lightning and would have landed 4 punches for one of Cotto's.Quote:
Originally Posted by gyrokai
It's impossible to determine how younger MOsley would have done against Cotto, different fighter, different time. It definitely wasn't a draw, and Cotto definitely can cope with Mosley's main threat which is speed. I think Mosley is a lot stronger now than he used to be and that if anything helped him against Cotto.Compubox was full of shit in the fight, Cotto clearly landed more punches, and MOsley wasn't that much faster. THe difference in his speed from then to now is less than Meldrick Taylor's speed changed in one fight. If you look at Mosley in slow motion his speed is nearly the same, not quite, but nearly.
;DHey Teath , Do you know what have you been saying my bro......;D;D ?...Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Take care man , somebody can stick on you my friend.....;D;D;D;D;D
I like your post......;D
Your opinion...plenty of other people on this board think different. As far as your ridiculous statement that Shane is stronger now than back in the day...just look at his KO % in recent years. The majority of his knockouts came at his great reign at lightweight. And yes...he was MUCH faster back in the day as well. His bulking up in recent years (legally or not), as well as AGE, took away from his speed, fluidity and crispness on punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
His "strength" doesn't have as much to do with his KO percentage as his quality of opposition does. His level of opposition went way up after he left 135, obviously his KO percentage is going to go down when that happens. Its not a great mystery. It would just seem logical that he's stronger at 147 than he was at 135.
I think he clearly was referring to his punching power "strength", not the strength of his opposition. Can Mosley, lets say, bench press more at 147 than he could at 130's...probably. But his punching/KO prowess declined as he went up in weight. That may be an obvious point to some (even though there are some fighters that carry their great KO power as they go up in weight)...but to imply that he is as vicious a puncher now than when he was at 135 is ridiculous. I am also not saying punching power is Mosley's greatest asset...his once amazing speed and always great heart are his biggest "strengths." But his speed has declined considerably...and he doesn't throw combo's with the same accuracy and frequency. Does this all mean that he still is not an excellent fighter...of course not. He wasn't his best against Cotto and still nearly won. But a younger Shane (the one that fought Oscar in their first fight) was an entirely different beast.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Would the following gents please stand in line and accept CROW.
Master
Se7en
Taeth
Rican
The Rookie fan
Pavlik
Hatton the Hammer
Hughesd
Puertorican punch
Game
Oumafan
Macho
Eat up boys!
haaaaaaaaaaaaa guess that's what you get for rolling your eyes at a clearly logical assessment. "brains will over heart more times than not"Quote:
Originally Posted by SE7EN
it wasn't so much his opposition, it was the fact that those guys were much bigger than shane...at lightweight shane would have probably stopped those ww too...Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
You were right Rene69, repped you and the other poster that said Marg would win.
Cool, thank you!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
He knocked out a lot of guys because he was a lightweight not because he had more power. As for his speed, watch it in slow motion at 1/100th speed and count the seconds it takes punches to land for Mosley in Mosley-Cotto then Mosley-Dela HOya I. It is much smaller than you would think. I said nothing about his fluidity at all. Also of course Mosley is stronger now. People reach their physical strength peak far later than they meet their speed peak. Strength peaks in the early 40's, and Mosley has been up to 154. I agree he doesn't have the same crispness on his punches, but he isn't that much worse then when he was younger. Regardless I think Mosley would ahve the same problems with Cotto's timing, sneaky speed, and boxing ability back in his prime almost as much as he did when they fought.Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubinYour opinion...plenty of other people on this board think different. As far as your ridiculous statement that Shane is stronger now than back in the day...just look at his KO % in recent years. The majority of his knockouts came at his great reign at lightweight. And yes...he was MUCH faster back in the day as well. His bulking up in recent years (legally or not), as well as AGE, took away from his speed, fluidity and crispness on punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Cheers on these Brawda.He got it done big time......Respect to both warriors in an awesome fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by rene69Touche!Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
You and i are of the minority here.